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Frontier Announces Fargo  
User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2274 posts, RR: 3
Posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4813 times:

The next new city (or old since they used to serve with the Q400) is Fargo. 3x weekly to DEN starting Nov 16 on Airbus aircraft. That could be a good route. I like their expansion plans lately, sure has been interesting times for them for sure.


http://media.frontierairlines.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5379

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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3723 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4783 times:

Does or did UA/S5 send E170s to FAR? Or is it currently an OO/EV or YV city, negating the UA mainline scope clause that restricts F9 on UA routes flown by RAH subsidiaries?


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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4747 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 1):
Does or did UA/S5 send E170s to FAR? Or is it currently an OO/EV or YV city, negating the UA mainline scope clause that restricts F9 on UA routes flown by RAH subsidiaries?

Currently UA is using Expressjet ERJ-145s on both FAR-DEN and FAR ORD. Skywest CRJ-200s and 700s have also been used, E170/175s have not ever been scheduled into FAR as far as I know.



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User currently onlineKLASM83 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4717 times:

Sweet! I look forward to using this service. North Dakota's really heating up!


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4717 times:

Quoting CIDFlyer (Thread starter):

The next new city (or old since they used to serve with the Q400) is Fargo.

Actually I think this makes the third stint for Fargo on Frontier's route map. FAR was one of the destinations on 737s when Frontier was doing the underserved cities thing when they first started, then the Lynx Dash 8 service and now this.

The original Frontier also served FAR for quite a while.



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User currently offlineChicagoJetSet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4716 times:

Quoting CIDFlyer (Thread starter):

I think this route may work quite well. UA does this flight like crazy! Last few times I've flow from ORD-DEN, it's been cheaper to go ORD-FAR and then FAR-DEN.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17369 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4642 times:

Sounds like a disaster, but it'd be a decent way to squeeze a MCO turn into FAR.


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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4631 times:

Interesting expansion coming from F9... GSO, TTN, and now FAR...


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User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1319 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4617 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 1):

Does or did UA/S5 send E170s to FAR? Or is it currently an OO/EV or YV city, negating the UA mainline scope clause that restricts F9 on UA routes flown by RAH subsidiaries?

How is that clause written? Currently Shuttle America flies for United on the DFW route. Also, the Republic Airlines Q400 flights will colette with Frontier on several routes.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3723 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4291 times:

Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 8):
How is that clause written? Currently Shuttle America flies for United on the DFW route. Also, the Republic Airlines Q400 flights will colette with Frontier on several routes.

There is a grandfather clause that if F9 and UA both operated the route before RAH acquired F9, F9 and UA (RW/S5) can both continue to operate the route. If F9 wants to start a route that is currently only served by UA (on RW/S5 equipment), they can't.

The restriction only applies to United Express operated by RW and S5 from DEN; Frontier is free to launch DEN routes served only by other UAX carriers (OO/EV, YV, etc.)



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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1649 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4200 times:
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Quoting CIDFlyer (Thread starter):
The next new city (or old since they used to serve with the Q400) is Fargo. 3x weekly to DEN starting Nov 16 on Airbus aircraft. That could be a good route. I like their expansion plans lately, sure has been interesting times for them for sure.

Competing 3x weekly against an airline that has double daily service wont be very successful.


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4037 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4180 times:

F9 served FAR with Airbus for a while, this was probably upwards of 8 or 9 years ago now, and I'm assuming A319 equipment.

User currently offlineazstar From United States of America, joined May 2005, 618 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4010 times:

I give it 3 months and they will be gone.

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25015 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3945 times:
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Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 10):
Competing 3x weekly against an airline that has double daily service wont be very successful.

Business folk may not like it but I doubt snowbirds will care, as long as it gets them someplace warm.

mariner



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User currently offlinec152driver From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3819 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 10):

Competing 3x weekly against an airline that has double daily service wont be very successful.

Try four times daily service by UA, at least during the summer. I think it will be tough, but I hope F9 finds some success nonetheless.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 11):
F9 served FAR with Airbus for a while, this was probably upwards of 8 or 9 years ago now, and I'm assuming A319 equipment.

I don't believe the Airbus was ever scheduled into FAR, but it was one of the original 737 markets back when they launched in the mid-90's.


User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 751 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3791 times:

Quoting c152driver (Reply 14):
Try four times daily service by UA, at least during the summer. I think it will be tough, but I hope F9 finds some success nonetheless.

Well, they're still flying daily to FSD and UA has more capacity on that route than on DEN-FAR, including a daily A320 flight. It helps that they're one of the (very) few LCCs in these markets. Only LCC competition is the always-less-than-daily G4 service.



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User currently offlineJet13 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3613 times:

I agree with FSDan, I'm from FSD also and does FAR have more pax flying in/out than FSD? if close or less, why A319 while F9 brings the E's here.

-Nick



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User currently offlinestburke From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2361 times:

In the last year and a half or so ND has picked up MOT, GFK - DEN by United and BIS, FAR - DEN by F9. Plus additions on the west side of the state due to the oil boom. Something tells me these all can't coexist.


aaaand it's gone.
User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2858 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

I'm interested to see how this does. If it works, I bet we could see F9 start other small heartland markets with less than daily Airbus service from DEN. The likes of EUG, FAT, FCA, MFR, MLI, MSO, PSC, and perhaps even RAP, LNK, GJT, FLG, etc. come to mind as distinctive possibilities. Obviously they won't have to worry about WN competition, but in most cases they will have to contend with an established UA/UAX presence, not to mention nonstop G4 flights from many such markets to the main tourist draws of Vegas, Arizona, and SoCal.

They'll be adding service just in time for the folks in Western states to get home to Eastern North Dakota and Northwestern Minnesota for the Thanksgiving holidays, and then the service will be a very attractive option for the locals to flee the harsh winter. G4 can only get them to Phoenix, Vegas, LA, and Orlando; F9 offers additional options like Mexico, Costa Rica, New Orleans, Florida's Gold Coast, etc. Not to mention the fact that the hardy North Dakotans that can't get enough of the snow may just want to visit Colorado itself for the skiing! I think it might just work; certainly the A319 will offer a vastly superior product to the pithy UAX RJs. F9 can probably draw enough leisure and VFR travelers on its own, leaving most biz pax for UA and DL, unlike their stint a few years ago where they were trying to serve the market in a big way...



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12220 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1831 times:
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Quoting stburke (Reply 17):
In the last year and a half or so ND has picked up MOT, GFK - DEN by United and BIS, FAR - DEN by F9. Plus additions on the west side of the state due to the oil boom. Something tells me these all can't coexist.

Until the oil boom goes bust they are very sustainable.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 927 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 7):

Interesting expansion coming from F9... GSO, TTN, and now FAR...

Don't forget AZA.



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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6306 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1784 times:

F9 is starting to sound like the American version of TK with their "slightly odd" destination announcements  

And...I like it!


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2741 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1730 times:

Quoting azstar (Reply 12):
I give it 3 months and they will be gone.

Probably..... and then they'll just quit this route again and go back to ICT again......

 

Whatever F9 is doing here, just so long as they keep the $$$$ positive, it's fine. And if adding a route here or there, or pulling a route here or there results in overall positive cash into F9, then keep doing what has to be done for this.

I like the idea that F9 is looking and going into markets where there are most likely incentives, as well as limited competition where F9 can build its product. Of course some may not work, but for those that do, I think that these will be markets F9 is showing itself a niche carrier, and will prove a well worth investment.

The fact that F9 is finally generating positive $$$$ is fantastic news considering the rough start it had after BK. And going forward, hopefully F9 will realize its strengths and weaknesses, and will focus on being profitable while making pax comfortable and happy with the product.

  


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4037 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1604 times:

Quoting stburke (Reply 17):
In the last year and a half or so ND has picked up MOT, GFK - DEN by United and BIS, FAR - DEN by F9. Plus additions on the west side of the state due to the oil boom. Something tells me these all can't coexist.
Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 19):
Until the oil boom goes bust they are very sustainable.

Only the MOT (and ISN) adds are oil-related. BIS could be either way, but GFK and FAR are nowhere near the oil boom. They are landing service based on their own merits - namely, extremely healthy economies and growing populations.


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