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Will JFK To TPE Ever Go Daily?  
User currently offlinequig From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 93 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3708 times:
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Just wondering with such a large Taiwanese population in NY why doesn't EVA or China Airlines Fly daily...

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User currently offlinejmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3252 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3424 times:

Daily JFK-TPE service would likely be possible under a scenario where EVA and China Airlines were merged to create Mandarin Airlines, the newly-formed flag-carrier of Taiwan. A daily 777-300ER on this route under this scenario would not be far-fetched at all.

[Edited 2012-08-09 18:31:07]


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User currently offlinefoppishbum From Taiwan, joined Mar 2006, 807 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3344 times:

Quoting jmc1975 (Reply 1):
A daily 777-300ER on this route under this scenario would not be far-fetched at all.

Right. Except I don't think China Airlines and Eva Air would merge anytime soon. And plus, as a flag carrier of Taiwan...I would expect them to name it Air Taiwan...but then China probably would pressure many other countries to ban us from landing.

I think CI and BR both want to keep the supply low and demand high. I don't know if CI will move it up to daily when they get the A350-900 but I don't see it becoming daily any time soon. Many Taiwanese flies UA or DL too since none of the flights to TPE from JFK are non-stop.

[Edited 2012-08-09 19:11:56]


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User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4679 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3287 times:
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Quoting foppishbum (Reply 2):
Many Taiwanese flies UA or DL too since none of the flights to TPE from JFK are non-stop.

A perfect 787 route  


User currently offlinechristao17 From Thailand, joined Apr 2005, 938 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3076 times:

Quoting foppishbum (Reply 2):
Many Taiwanese flies UA or DL too since none of the flights to TPE from JFK are non-stop.

According to their websites (and FlightAware), while CI does stop in KIX, BR flies the TPE-JFK route nonstop in both directions.



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User currently offlinevincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3041 times:

Quoting jmc1975 (Reply 1):
EVA and China Airlines were merged to create Mandarin Airlines

I doubt this will happen anytime soon, BR was created to stop CI monopoly in the first place. There's market not only for 2, but 3 players in Taiwan. GE has been trying to get rights for years but couldn't, usually it's always CI and BR getting pieces of the pie. One possibility would be BR going all cargo (which was the founder's ultimate goal and vision in the 90s, not sure if this is the same for his son), leaving passenger markets to CI and GE.

Quoting quig (Thread starter):
a large Taiwanese population in NY

Some of us like circuitous rides through Europe or Middle East, I started going back to Taiwan using TK recently via HKG (better Y+ products, higher mileage accruals, chance to see other destinations on the way, ect), not to mention cheaper airfares in some instances.


User currently onlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12851 posts, RR: 100
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3036 times:
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Quoting trex8 (Reply 3):
A perfect 787 route

That was my thought. Long range. However, it will take a circa 2014 788 to have a chance to do the route. It is too far for the overweight 788s that need an engine PIP to meet promised TSFC.

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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2181 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 6):
That was my thought. Long range. However, it will take a circa 2014 788 to have a chance to do the route. It is too far for the overweight 788s that need an engine PIP to meet promised TSFC.

TPE-JFK is 6785nm while JAL's NRT-BOS route is at 5823nm for reference. Im not sure what the current range of today 787's are, but to me it seems doable. Do you happen to have range figures for current 787s?



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User currently onlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6298 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

Quoting jmc1975 (Reply 1):
newly-formed flag-carrier of Taiwan

I say they should call it Formosa Air  


User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7079 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

Quoting trex8 (Reply 3):
A perfect 787 route

Narita routes are high yield, and Taiwan are more leisure vfr focused. I'm not sure if the 787 is suitable for TPE JFK - perhaps a high density 773 is more suited.



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User currently offlineanonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2490 times:

Quoting jmc1975 (Reply 1):
Daily JFK-TPE service would likely be possible under a scenario where EVA and China Airlines were merged to create Mandarin Airlines, the newly-formed flag-carrier of Taiwan. A daily 777-300ER on this route under this scenario would not be far-fetched at all.

Mandarin Airlines already exists: it's a subsidiary of China Airlines.



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User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4679 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2423 times:
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Quoting christao17 (Reply 4):
According to their websites (and FlightAware), while CI does stop in KIX, BR flies the TPE-JFK route nonstop in both directions.

this summer its nonstop both ways but usually in winter for sure it stops via ANC westbound


User currently offlinefoppishbum From Taiwan, joined Mar 2006, 807 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1788 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 7):

Both BR and CI did not order 787 and possibly won't. CI ordered 14 A350-900 with range of ~8,100 nm. According to Boeing.com, 787 has a range of 7,650 to 8,200 nm. BR ordered additional 7 B777-300ER recently IIRC.

CI plans to use the A350-900 for all North American and European routes and BR plans to use the 77W for all North American and European routes.



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User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4679 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1649 times:
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Quoting foppishbum (Reply 12):
CI plans to use the A350-900 for all North American and European routes

A359s for CI will directly replace all their A343 and those A333s used on "long routes"- Europe/Oz


User currently offlinecoolfish1103 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

You probably won't see direct daily flights to JFK unless...

BR has excess planes (77W) and put them here (unlikely), still ANC might be used in Winter.

...in 2016 when CI receives 359 and throw some here,
even then it will probably be 4x TPE-KIX-JFK v.v. and 3x TPE-JFK v.v.
--
CI ordered more 359 than they need so pretty sure some North American routes will see 359. Perhaps the rumored ORD or the canceled IAH.


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