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Dulles Incident Aug.10 Lufthansa/United Express  
User currently offlineirishtexan From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 36 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 22145 times:

http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=216276
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/08...-commuter-plane-collide-78706.html

[Edited 2012-08-10 13:41:37]
Video of damaged United Expess just shown on FBN


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[Edited 2012-08-10 13:46:40]

[Edited 2012-08-10 14:16:06]

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User currently offlinechootie From Germany, joined May 2007, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 22062 times:

..I suppose the UAX and the LH may go AOG. Good thing that nothing worse happened, and no personal injuries!! i(I hope)   


chootie
User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9690 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 22005 times:

And the match of A330 winglet vs Q400 rudder goes to A330 winglet!

In all seriousness, I’m surprised to see this happen at IAD since there is so much separation at IAD.



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User currently offlineLOWS From Austria, joined Oct 2011, 1175 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 21492 times:

Glad no one is hurt, and am especially glad that it's not the new 748!

User currently offlineEASTERN747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 21248 times:

Ok........who hit whom? ie whose fault?

User currently offlineMy16sidedoffice From Canada, joined Dec 2011, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 20830 times:

Re : the linked news report. "Collided on the runway". Typical media garbage, what a tool.

User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4319 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 20233 times:
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In spite of what they're saying about no delays, one of my students' 5:55pm departure to SAN is now delayed until 9:30pm.

User currently offlinestrfyr51 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 1328 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 19447 times:
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it looks like the smaller airplanes will need to clear farther off the taxiway before stopping, This is the same thing that happened at JFK between a STJ and an A380 lees than a year ago. Just clearing the taxi way and and really being out of the way are not the same thing.

User currently offlineB777LRforeveR From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 18698 times:

I'm assuming the Q400 did not get parked in a timely fashion and so the ramp controller may have forgotten he was out there and gave Lufthansa the clearance to taxi, which resulted in the Q400 getting clipped.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 2):
In all seriousness, I’m surprised to see this happen at IAD since there is so much separation at IAD.

You would think that but surprisingly not especially on the Alpha and Bravo taxi ways with a lot of the regional jets sticking out of the alley there waiting to get parked. Also if you put a heavy on the Bravo taxiway and simultaneously use the Alpha crossover taxi ways for a regional jets, there is good chance of a clipping especially if the RJ doesn't hold back. I have some experience at the operations at IAD.


User currently offlinetoltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3304 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 18623 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 6):

In spite of what they're saying about no delays, one of my students' 5:55pm departure to SAN is now delayed until 9:30pm.

No delay due to this incident (unless you on an aircraft involved of course). The east coast is getting hammered by weather, causing delays and diversions. The SAN departure delay has nothing to do with this incident.


User currently offlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1038 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 18193 times:

Correct me if I am wrong, but the Lufthasnsa flight was departing for FRA, and the UX was coming in, or landing, so it was pulling in to the gate and the LH was coming down the taxiway for take off and clipped it?

User currently offlinecapitalflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 17778 times:

Which way was traffic? Was LH headed to 19L? I would think you would want to avoid the regional concourse with heavies.

User currently offlinehorstroad From Germany, joined Apr 2010, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 17668 times:

"PLANE SCARE - two planes collide on the runway"


LOL


sounds like tenerife, is nothing but a bit scrapped metal and a big delay


User currently offlineirregking From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 17188 times:

The Lufthansa plane was LH417 - D-AIKK
It took off in the end at 5.50pm (instead of 3pm) and is supposed to arrive into FRA at 7AM instead of 5.15AM

All connex pax o/b LH417 who will miss their onward flight out of FRA have already been rebooked.

So the damage to the A333 was probably not substantial enough for the aircraft to go AOG.
But it's not the 1st time a plane has left with a damaged or even removed winglet. I could go search now and post the stories but TBH I really can't be bothered right now.

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User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 17120 times:

Sounds like a repeat of the NW A330 & QX Dash 8 in PDX a few years back...


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User currently offlineCaspian27 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 383 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 16745 times:

Quoting B777LRforeveR (Reply 8):
I'm assuming the Q400 did not get parked in a timely fashion and so the ramp controller may have forgotten he was out there and gave Lufthansa the clearance to taxi, which resulted in the Q400 getting clipped.

Having clearance to taxi doesn't absolve a pilot from avoiding obstacles.



Meanwhile, somewhere 35,000 ft above your head...
User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16147 times:

IIRC, ramp control is run by MWAA (airport authority) and not the FAA.

  



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User currently offlineSASDC8 From Norway, joined Mar 2006, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13837 times:
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I just love the responsiveness in the USA. In one of the pictures I count no more than 18 cars that have arrived to deal with the seriousness of the tail clipping 
Quoting LOWS (Reply 3):
Glad no one is hurt, and am especially glad that it's not the new 748!
So a 330 is OK to crash but not the 748? Not the brightest of comments, but if is it was a 748 I imagine the damage (to the LH and UA plane) would be greater, due to the larger wingspan and engine placement.

[Edited 2012-08-11 02:52:18]


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12254 times:

Stay on the line folks..... stay on the line.......


Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlinechootie From Germany, joined May 2007, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11423 times:

Quoting irregking (Reply 13):
The Lufthansa plane was LH417 - D-AIKK
It took off in the end at 5.50pm (instead of 3pm) and is supposed to arrive into FRA at 7AM instead of 5.15AM

...Funny thing, when I got into work and checked---LH417/10AUG has an informative schedule.

The A/C is D-AIKE and is AOG @ IAD. D-AIKK operated the flight on 09AUG.         



chootie
User currently offlineflyiguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 11423 times:

Are you sure about that?

Quoting irregking (Reply 13):
The Lufthansa plane was LH417 - D-AIKK
It took off in the end at 5.50pm (instead of 3pm) and is supposed to arrive into FRA at 7AM instead of 5.15AM

The Aircraft in question is D-AIKE " LANDSHUT " . It is currently still parked at IAD at B-51. The winglet is removed from the starboard side and is taped over with aluminum tape.

FLY

[Edited 2012-08-11 05:55:20]


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User currently offlineC767P From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 887 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10268 times:

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 7):

it looks like the smaller airplanes will need to clear farther off the taxiway before stopping

Or LH could stop! You can’t just taxi into the gate without any rampers at the gate, who take their sweet time at Dulles if they are not there when you get there.


User currently offlinefutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 8962 times:

Quoting C767P (Reply 21):

Thank you! I can't count the number of times I've gotten to the A gates in IAD only to have to wait for the ground crew to leisurely saunter over to park us. While doing this I've seen a number of inbound or outbound international airplanes squeeze through with only a few feet to spare, and this is after we inched as ar forward as we could go without rampers. E Q is a big airplane for what it is, it doesn't surprise me that it finally got clipped at the A gates in Dulles.



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User currently offlinepanova98 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8206 times:

Kind of amusing reading here about how bad the media is trying to report on this stuff. "Plane scare." "Dulles collision." Like we "expert" commenters have made everything really, really clear?

Who, what, when, and where.

Actually, the reporters didn't do all that bad of a job.

At Dulles, around 3:15 in the afternoon, although actually specically where and which plane was coming from/going to at the airport is not quite clear, but, like this is easy to discern? Like FlightAware, airline website, and FlightStats are so clear. Add an eyewitness, and who knows what happened.

Anyway, flights were apparently UA3912, which is clear as mud, as that was actually Colgan Air, dba United Express. Easy to figure out who' s plane that was...sure...why not throw in Pinnacle, bankruptcy, maybe the Silver aggregation, and that whole A gate picture.

Then there was the LH417, or UA8833. Again, very clear?

Airplane types seemed to be OK, which is surprising that the media whould have a clue as to differences between a Q400 and 333, or let's just call it an Airbus for simplicity sake!

How did these planes get to where they are in the pictures, which obviously don't show the actually tail/wing contact as it is happening. What gates are invovled here? What taxiways? What planned runways? The landing and takeoff patterns?

And then, the damage to each plane. Pictures are helpful, but from some comments, one would think the planes just carried on. Off to whever a Q400 goes? LH off to FRA?

Really, we are expecting a lot for the media to get all this down quickly, and accurately. Would we prefer they not report anything until a year or so after all the investigation is done?

Full disclosure: I dislike the path airlines are taking using more and more regionals. And, those A gate planes should never be even remotely close to the big boys. Do as we do with our highways. Well..., as we ought to!


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4319 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8092 times:
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Quoting toltommy (Reply 9):
No delay due to this incident (unless you on an aircraft involved of course). The east coast is getting hammered by weather, causing delays and diversions. The SAN departure delay has nothing to do with this incident.

You're right.

The aircraft -- 752 #5434 -- routed LAX-DEN-IAD-SAN -- had been late since it left LAX 35 minutes late earlier in the day. The plane (as UA240) left Dulles for San Diego 4 hrs 12 mins late.


25 Post contains images XFSUgimpLB41X : One interesting thing I've recently learned, but haven't confirmed, is that rampers are not allowed to run on the ramp- it's an OSHA violation. Doesn
26 Post contains links my1le : Here are some photos from today - 8/11/12 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jdingell/sets/72157631020950152/ James
27 Post contains images Semaex : Am I really the only one who thinks about the curiosity that the LH A330 is christened "Landshut" .... ? Let the superstition begin!
28 HAWK21M : Interesting pics...Thanks.
29 irregking : I obviously don't know how to work our computer system hahaha Sorry for the mis-info guys. I got the dates totally wrong.
30 C767p : Figures. I would settle for normal pace walk. I swear a turtle would pass these guys up.
31 flyiguy : It's cool, we are only human FLY
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