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WN Pilot, TSA Agent In 'confrontation' At MHT  
User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4149 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12468 times:

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20120811/NEWS03/708119939

The story doesn't make clear who confronted whom, but the real stories are these:
1.) The MHT TSA gang seems to enjoy being 'confrontational' and they seem to enjoy exercising their power.
2.) A TSA Supervisor, echoing #1 above, declared that the TSA employee was in the right. Also, the supervisor refused to identify himself/or herself to the captain.
3.) The Southwest captain, who would know, says that the 'inspections' at MHT are autocratically severe (my words, not his...but that's what I infer from the article.

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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5768 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12260 times:

Hard to tell from only this article, but after reading the article I'm inclined to say it's the pilot who is prone to confrontation. Who repeatedly gets into confrontations with even "bad" TSA? A hothead.

User currently offlineskywaymanaz From United States of America, joined May 2012, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12194 times:

If the TSA supervisor refused to give his name he's wrong. Anyone going thru the checkpoint is allowed to ask the screener and the supervisor for their name.

User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4149 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12101 times:

Quoting skywaymanaz (Reply 2):
If the TSA supervisor refused to give his name he's wrong. Anyone going thru the checkpoint is allowed to ask the screener and the supervisor for their name.

That's what I'm thinking. If you're quite sure of your position, you stand up to the pilot and say, "Here. Here's my card, here's my badge. You see that video camera up there? That'll back my worker up. So, your move!"

But that's not what happened.


User currently offlinelat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 11883 times:

It is my understanding that supervisors wear badges also. It has become popular in this forum and elsewhere to TSA bash so it is no surprise that it became a story. We have probably spotted the huffy frequent or not so frequent flier or the uppity local pol, law enforcement personnel or flight crew member get a little brazen at the checkpoint. (rules dont apply to "me" type). We might even know one.

User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4149 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 11823 times:

Oh, absolutely! There are LOTS of those 'Don't-You-Know-Who-I-Am?' types. Often, TV news types, who feel that their imagined 'celebrity' trumps all! But an airline captain...who wades through stuff several times each day at many different airports...is bound to notice (and react to) something 'out of the norm,' don't you agree?

User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2568 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 11802 times:

Quoting lat41 (Reply 4):
We have probably spotted the huffy frequent or not so frequent flier or the uppity local pol, law enforcement personnel or flight crew member get a little brazen at the checkpoint. (rules dont apply to "me" type).

The problem with that idea is that as flight crew, we know exactly what 'the rules' are. These confrontations happen when a particular airport's TSA managers decide that they don't need to follow the rules. We go through the screening process practically every day, and know exactly what to expect. Because of that, flight crews are allowed certain priviliges, like cutting to the front of the line, or using a special crew line, among other things. When those differences are not allowed, that is when flight crews can get upset.

HAL



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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4224 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11497 times:

Quoting HAL (Reply 6):
The problem with that idea is that as flight crew, we know exactly what 'the rules' are. These confrontations happen when a particular airport's TSA managers decide that they don't need to follow the rules. We go through the screening process practically every day, and know exactly what to expect. Because of that, flight crews are allowed certain priviliges, like cutting to the front of the line, or using a special crew line, among other things. When those differences are not allowed, that is when flight crews can get upset.

Bingo. It's particularly funny when the agent tries to say "it's this way everywhere" upon trying to enforce some random local rule.

The reason I'm bringing it up is because it's not that way everywhere. If it was that way everywhere, I would just shuffle along!

Smaller stations are particularly bad with the TSA napoleon complex.



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5716 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11332 times:

Quote:
“A preliminary review of the situation indicates that the officer followed proper screening protocol,” said Ann Davis, TSA spokeswoman

No surprise from an agency who has never, ever, taken responsibility for anything that they or their people have done wrong.

I'm actually fairly surprised the police got the video. TSA has a habit of "losing" tapes when they break the law.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 1):
Who repeatedly gets into confrontations with even "bad" TSA? A hothead.

So it's the victim's fault. Guess we should just shut our mouths and take it...

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 7):
It's particularly funny when the agent tries to say "it's this way everywhere" upon trying to enforce some random local rule.

More often than not, it's actually "our procedures are designed to be random and unpredictable".



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2169 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11300 times:

Quoting HAL (Reply 6):
We go through the screening process practically every day, and know exactly what to expect. Because of that, flight crews are allowed certain priviliges, like cutting to the front of the line, or using a special crew line, among other things. When those differences are not allowed, that is when flight crews can get upset.

I still wonder why the folks who fly the plane have to go through security. Get known crew member up and running everywhere. It'll make their lives easier and will help clear up the lines for us that don't fly the plane (for the record, I'm always willing to let the crew go ahead of me unless some of my stuff is in the x-ray already OR I'm running really late for a flight--I've never had a pilot/FA not be understanding in those cases).


User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2314 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11270 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 9):
I still wonder why the folks who fly the plane have to go through security. Get known crew member up and running everywhere. It'll make their lives easier and will help clear up the lines for us that don't fly the plane (for the record, I'm always willing to let the crew go ahead of me unless some of my stuff is in the x-ray already OR I'm running really late for a flight--I've never had a pilot/FA not be understanding in those cases).

While I support somewhat reduced security for crew members, no security for them is a terrible idea. The last thing we need is someone who is up to no good impersonating a crew member and getting to the plane without going through even a simple security check.


User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4224 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11263 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 10):
While I support somewhat reduced security for crew members, no security for them is a terrible idea. The last thing we need is someone who is up to no good impersonating a crew member and getting to the plane without going through even a simple security check.

How many rampers and other airport ground workers do you think go through security?



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2169 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11231 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 10):
The last thing we need is someone who is up to no good impersonating a crew member and getting to the plane without going through even a simple security check.

You have no idea how known crew member works. They actually verify someone's employment.


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 594 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11073 times:

Wow, This is a good one. The TSA actually gave the local police the case and the video. I agree with HAL that the flight crew knows how to operate in the security lines and would know if there is a irregularity. This pilot has had run-in's with the TSA at this airport, so his defenses were up. He did not raise his voice or call attention to himself, so it was probably a case of a TSA agent and supervisor pushing his buttons.

I feel sorry for the good TSA agents that I have run across, because they have to take the heat for actions like these from less skilled people.


User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4125 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11002 times:
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Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 7):
It's particularly funny when the agent tries to say "it's this way everywhere" upon trying to enforce some random local rule.

For a look at a comical and clueless face, try asking when was the last time they went anywhere... Did it once. Priceless!

Quoting chrisair (Reply 12):
You have no idea how known crew member works. They actually verify someone's employment.

Not a good idea until it works everywhere. Right now, most airports still can't tell whether an ID card is home-made and a pilot uniform rented from a party store.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 9):
I still wonder why the folks who fly the plane have to go through security.

For the same reason the secret service agents assigned to the White House go through security (just to mention one of many examples where employees are scanned to get access into the very site they're intended to protect).

Pilots are not super-human heroes, they're people. People can be blackmailed, coerced, brainwashed, threatened, you name it... A pilot may be the most security conscious pilot in the world until someone kidnaps his family ans tells him he'll recover only bones unless he smuggles a gun through security and gives it to someone else on the other side. Far fetched? Of course, but so was flying aircraft into buildings a few years ago.

If you'd like, where I wrote pilots, you can substitute rampers, fast food employees, gate agents, and whoever else you feel like. This isn't a defense of the TSA, by the way.

(and please, let's not bring up the crash ax, White House secret service agents have guns inside the White House too)



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2314 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10838 times:

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 11):
How many rampers and other airport ground workers do you think go through security?

That is a red herring. Ramp security is an entirely different issue that is much more difficult than the terminal, but is something that everyone is trying to improve on. Just because they don't have to go through security doesn't mean we should just say screw it and let all employees go through with little security. The goal is balancing security with convenience. I'm not saying that pilots/FAs need to have full body scans and cavity searches every time, but it is hardly unreasonable to expect them to go through a metal detector and have their bags go through an X-ray scanner. Employees at many other jobs have to do the exact same thing every time they go to work.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 12):
You have no idea how known crew member works. They actually verify someone's employment.

So because they work for an airline they are automatically gods capable of doing no harm? Again it is about balancing security and convenience. Yes pilots have access to deadly weapons (the crash ax and the controls of the plane), but that doesn't mean we should let them bring whatever they want on board.

There is also (understandably) a large focus on deadly weapons here when talking about security, but don't forget drugs. Or do you believe that all airline employees are angels who would never smuggle drugs? No security (other than an ID check) would make that (potentially high paying) option incredibly attractive for some.
Quoting blueflyer (Reply 14):
Pilots are not super-human heroes, they're people. People can be blackmailed, coerced, brainwashed, threatened, you name it... A pilot may be the most security conscious pilot in the world until someone kidnaps his family ans tells him he'll recover only bones unless he smuggles a gun through security and gives it to someone else on the other side. Far fetched? Of course, but so was flying aircraft into buildings a few years ago.

  


Again, I'm not advocating for full body strip searches for employees, but security checks beyond an ID check is not an unreasonable expectation.


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5768 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10567 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 8):
So it's the victim's fault. Guess we should just shut our mouths and take it...

You are assuming the pilot is the "victim." All of us have a confrontation once in awhile. But when we are given the information that the particular pilot in question has a history of repeated confrontations, it makes me think it is likely that the pilot is a hothead. Most people, even crew who go through every day, don't have TSA confrontations on a frequent basis.

Now this is just one piece of evidence and we'd need a lot more to evaluate the situation fairly, but based only on this article I doubt the pilot is a blameless "victim."


User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10478 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 14):
Pilots are not super-human heroes, they're people. People can be blackmailed, coerced, brainwashed, threatened, you name it... A pilot may be the most security conscious pilot in the world until someone kidnaps his family ans tells him he'll recover only bones unless he smuggles a gun through security and gives it to someone else on the other side. Far fetched? Of course, but so was flying aircraft into buildings a few years ago.

  

It isn't more far fetched than anything else. No matter what we think about terrorists motivation we should never make the mistake to think they are stupid. Create a hole in the security and it will be exploited.


User currently offlinesuprazachair From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Feb 2004, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10034 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 15):
Quoting chrisair (Reply 12):
You have no idea how known crew member works. They actually verify someone's employment.

So because they work for an airline they are automatically gods capable of doing no harm? Again it is about balancing security and convenience. Yes pilots have access to deadly weapons (the crash ax and the controls of the plane), but that doesn't mean we should let them bring whatever they want on board.

Your paranoia is both comical and sad. How many passengers go through the full criminal background check we go through. Fingerprinting, employment history verification, full national driving record verification, residential history verification, PRIA.... shall I go on? You understand the basis for KCM is that if we are cleared by TSA to jumpseat (via CASS verification), we can clear security. Is it your belief then that we should have a TSA agent frisk us before we jumpseat? You're out of touch and dead wrong. Frankly, your assertion that us promoting the nationwide implementation of KCM makes us believe we are "gods" is insulting, and reflects more on you than it does on us.


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9972 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 15):

That is a red herring. Ramp security is an entirely different issue that is much more difficult than the terminal, but is something that everyone is trying to improve on. Just because they don't have to go through security doesn't mean we should just say screw it and let all employees go through with little security.

Why not? If there is a gaping security breach at every single airport (airport workers), then what's the point in harassing passengers and crew in the name of "security"?



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2314 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9630 times:

Quoting suprazachair (Reply 18):

What is comical and sad is how you think I am paranoid and think pilots are out to get us. I never said that implementing KCM makes you believe that you are gods, I was just pointing out that there are always going to be people with perfect fingerprinting, employment history verification, full national driving record verification, residential history verification, PRIA who have bad intentions. I have no criminal record, a clean employment history, a clean driving record, and a spotless residential/rental history. How do you know that I am also not a drug smuggler who hasn't been caught yet?

As I stated earlier, I support crew members having slightly relaxed security security standards and don't think full body scans/reaches are necessary. KCM should be used a tool to enhance security, not take the place of security. I think that and a simple metal detector and X-ray bag scanner is more than sufficient for crew members. If you think that is too much you can cry me a river because pilots are hardly the only professions put in a similar position.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 19):
Why not? If there is a gaping security breach at every single airport (airport workers), then what's the point in harassing passengers and crew in the name of "security"?

So your solution is to just eliminate all security because there is one security flaw? Why don't we work on trying to close or minimize that security breach instead to make everyone safer? I'm sure there are a ton of people trying to develop practical, feasible, and cost effective methods to make the ramp a safer and more secure place for everyone involved.

We can debate the extent of security that should be present, but to argue that there should be none is ridiculous. Airport security has been around for decades, it is not a new thing based on relatively recent events or as a result of a sudden police state.


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9564 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 20):

So your solution is to just eliminate all security because there is one security flaw?

Certainly not. If the theater was abolished, there would be widespread panic. Everyday passengers would not "feel safe" flying any more, especially if they happened to be sitting near a passenger with brown skin.

I just think that if they are going to have the theater, they could at least have the courtesy to not harass passengers during it.



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2314 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9342 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 21):
I just think that if they are going to have the theater, they could at least have the courtesy to not harass passengers during it.

I'm in complete agreement with you there, although I have never personally been harassed or felt harassed by the TSA before (the rudest security people I ever encountered were actually in BRU). But I was discussing more the actual security policies in place in for crew methods, not the attitude in which authorities carry them out. That is a completely separate issue that needs to be dealt with more on a case by case/regional basis (NYC security are generally always going to come across as ruder than say somewhere in the Midwest).


User currently offlinespink From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 318 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7895 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 10):
While I support somewhat reduced security for crew members, no security for them is a terrible idea. The last thing we need is someone who is up to no good impersonating a crew member and getting to the plane without going through even a simple security check.

Until we are in a full quarantined airside system (everything and everyone is fully inspected before access to airside including any private air side), it makes little sense to put pilots and FAs through full security beyond identity and credential checking. And nobody cares about security enough to do a full quarantine system because of the significant effects it would have on commercial aviation.


User currently offlineAlitaliaDC10 From Australia, joined Dec 2008, 240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7783 times:

The TSA seems to get a lot bad press and I'm sure there are instances where they are on a power trip but from 90% of my flights in the USA I have never found any TSA to be particularly nasty or rude. I think the key is to just to be prepared at the check point and it's pretty smooth sailing. Just came back from LAX and also SFO - no problems with TSA.


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25 PanHAM : So how come the USA is imposing this system upon foreign airports? each and every mechanic, ramp agent, loader etc. has to undergo full inspection wh
26 Post contains links mcdu : This is very typical of the TSA. it is an organization filled with criminals within its own ranks. http://godfatherpolitics.com/6453/cr...ing-to-be-ex
27 LTBEWR : What I think may be an issue here as to the TSA process it that it needs to vary procedures from time to time, including being tighter than usual incl
28 cmf : What did they fail to do?
29 skywaymanaz : I'd say 90% of the time I don't have any problem with them either. Unfortunately in the other 10% I've had them rude, snide, yelling and one time the
30 virgincrew : I have never understood why in some US airports there are not 'Crew Lanes' at security check points. I have had arguments with passengers before in U
31 AmericanAirFan : From the general tenor of the TSA lately, and from the general tenor of commercial airline pilots these days (especially well paid WN pilots), I am wi
32 virgincrew : Of course a crew member could be a danger to the flight if they have become crew for the purposes of terrorism. There is nothing stopping anyone beco
33 Post contains links virgincrew : this happened recently in the UK with British Airways during the cabin crew strikes.... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...d-to-take-advantage-of-
34 cmf : What makes you think they are less likely to be used than anyone else? Especially if you know they will not be checked at security. I doubt there is
35 aeroblogger : Quite right. However, if they have become crew for the purpose of terrorism, then security check isn't going to do much at all. There is a far more p
36 TVNWZ : I get a kick out of why the threat level is still Orange. Really, in 8 years the threat level is the same? We kill Osama, most of the al-Qaeda leaders
37 JONC777 : yay. . .another thread about how we hate the TSA. . . I must say however. . .there hasnt been another 9-11 so. . .if this is what its taken to prevent
38 virgincrew : exactly..... I would rather be searched by the TSA, the way they are and know I am getting on a safe aircraft !
39 aeroblogger : How many terrorist attacks has the TSA stopped? The answer: zero. Air safety has improved greatly since 9/11, with cockpit door changes, attitude cha
40 JONC777 : how do you know this? What would your solution be? Go back to the way it was. . . lets keep it real. . .there is NO way on the planet that anything e
41 JONC777 : actually the TSA has wanted to change that for years. . .its the Airports themselves that fight that change.
42 707lvr : "Brazen?" It's come to this? Lawd help us.
43 Post contains links Maverick623 : Simple: anytime the TSA claims to have stopped something, it's a big news item. Catching a "terrorist"? They wouldn't shut up about it! If you cared
44 Cubsrule : More so than most government bureaucracies, TSA seems to vary from location to location. At airports where TSA works well - generally airports with T
45 aeroblogger : What relevance does this have? The fact is, not screening airport workers is a major security breach.
46 Post contains images cmf : Understand, you don't want any interference with the aircrews ability to supplement income
47 aeroblogger : Here in BOS, the TSOs seem to vary from terminal to terminal, forget airport to airport. Terminal A in particular tends to be terrible - it's the onl
48 ROSWELL41 : TSA's job is not to stop drug or currency smuggling to correct a previous poster. They may refer passengers to local law enforcement, but that is by n
49 spink : This isn't anything like or close to a valid argument or point. A lack of result is not evidence of efficacy. because in general pilots tend to be hi
50 Post contains images cmf : So because they earn more they do not care about their spouse and children
51 DTWPurserBoy : I recently had problems out of MHT with TSA. While they were scanning my boarding pass the supervisor saw my DL ID badge in my wallet (I was traveling
52 Maverick623 : You really like the kidnapping scenario, don't you?
53 cmf : No, I really hate them.
54 blueflyer : Let's not let facts get in the way of hysteria, shall we? The rate of convicted individuals among the TSA as a whole is lower than among the general
55 chrisair : There shouldn't be anyone with a serious (felony) criminal conviction working at the TSA. If you get a felony and are a pilot: gone. ATC: gone. Why i
56 TVNWZ : Other than probably detecting metal box cutters, what has changed that would have stopped the 9-11 attackers from getting on the same planes today? Th
57 lweber557 : I can understand sending F/A's through security but sending pilots is absurd considering many of them are authorized to carry handguns in the cockpit.
58 AirframeAS : Actually, you know what..... That's YOUR opinion, not a fact. And, with that in mind...airport authorities completely disagree with you, especially i
59 Post contains images Maverick623 : There should be zero people with felony records working for the TSA. That aside, it seems we can't go two weeks lately without another story of a TSA
60 Post contains links mcdu : Thisareas is another example of the type of people working for the TSA. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n-hotel-trashed-rom_n_1386129.html We c
61 PanHAM : If that is easy there's something wrong in the US. In Europe and other parts of the world no baggage flies without the pax sitting in the aircraft. N
62 JONC777 : I would have to ask then what sort of system would you support? Its easy to complain. . .its harder for a better solution. . .oh, and anything else e
63 JONC777 : I have to disagree here. . .after working in a cargo facility Id say theres not enough security. . . I mean theres a system in the us that allows shi
64 virgincrew : well they do in the UK, any worker that has to work or go Airside and especially onto the apron etc.. are searched by security. If that doesn't happe
65 Quokkas : This is true if the pilot wanted to commit suicide. There is another aspect though. Perhaps whatever the pilot may smuggle through is not to be taken
66 skywaymanaz : I don't object to having airport security. Unfortunately it was needed long before it was started in '72 just to stop nut jobs in the '60s bombing ai
67 PanHAM : I do not know how the trusted shipper procedure is set-up in the US, if a reputed company that restricts access to their warehouse screens their expo
68 Maverick623 : Well, considering airplanes aren't falling out of the sky... I understand that for international flight (for customs reasons), but it's ridiculous ju
69 PanHAM : absolutely no customs reason for that. Customs could not care less if a bag travels without the pax sitting in the same aircraft. The sole reason for
70 silentbob : Given my experiences in MHT, I'll take the pilot's side on this unless the video shows otherwise. Easily the most aggressive towards crew members that
71 JONC777 : I agree the power trip at airport sucks weather its from the ground staff, pilots, or fa's or even TSA. However as long as humans are involved someon
72 ChrisNH : Interesting (and far-reaching!) discussion, everyone. I will keep tabs on our Manchester Union Leader newspaper this week to see if more is said about
73 lweber557 : We meant a ramp agent or someone with ramp access planting a bomb in one of the cargo bins not somebody checking a bomb in they're bag. When I worked
74 PanHAM : yes, but that is exactly what I am saying. In Europe and most other countries in the world, every ramp agent, mechanic etc. is checked by security ev
75 Cubsrule : I'd argue that, like the security questions for checking bags that the US and most of the rest of the world have abolished, that's an outdated rule.
76 TVNWZ : I would support the basic system we had before 9/11. Not enough? Then lower the threat level to Blue--General Risk of Terrorist Attacks-- and whateve
77 Post contains images Maverick623 : It happens all the time. Otherwise, missed bags would never get to their owners. I'm a little confused... those are not my standards. Which is my poi
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