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Milk Run Nostalgia  
User currently offlineflylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 17510 times:

Milk Run is an American colloquialism for a route that has many stops. Before aircraft had the legs to traverse half the globe non-stop there were many international "milk runs". The inspiration for this topic was a recent topic about LH and its FRA-SYD run which made numerous stops along the way. Apparently for the crews it was a three week gig.

So, I am interested in any stories, photos etc. that we might have about the nostalgic days of the international milk run.


...are we there yet?
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User currently onlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5049 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 17390 times:

I myself flew Ozark from Peoria to MSP via CID/ALO/RST. And Ozark from Peoria to LGA via CMI and IAD. Also flew Ozark from PIA to MCI via SPI/STL/COU. Sometimes a connection but there ya go. Oh and PIA to TPA via IND and BNA.


Next Up: STL-LGA-RIC-ATL-STL
User currently offlinedoulasc From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 17329 times:

National Airlines(Sun King) was famous for milk runs between Miami and New York and Boston stopping in various cities in Florida,then Savanah,Charleston SC,Norfolk. and in the Florida Panhandle JAX-TLH-PFN-PNS-MOB-MSY-IAH.
Pan Am's Houston to Central America. IAH-MEX-GTL-SAL-MGA-SJO-PTY. That came to an end when Pan Am retired their Boeing 707-321Bs in 1980.


User currently offlinetan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1906 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 17290 times:

While not international...In the mid and late 70's UA ran a 727 on always a FWA-SBN-DEN route..then the variable always kicked in..was it a DEN-BOI or whatever...For a period one of those winters it was a true milk run..FWA-SBN-DEN_BOI-GEG-SEA. I actuall knew some folk that took it to SEA as they did not like making connections at DEN in the winter..so they got to enjoy a few extra take-offs and landings enroute. An Anutters dream flight of sorts!

User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 17233 times:

Quoting flylku (Thread starter):
Milk Run is an American colloquialism for a route that has many stops

From departedflights.com

Delta Oct27, 1974 sked.

DL1183, L-1011, BOS-EWR-CLT-ATL-MSY-DFW-SFO.


User currently offlinetan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1906 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 17224 times:

reflecting a moment...check out the early-mid-70's Delta flight itineraries on departed flights website..some 72s and D9S had as many as 7 segments on a single routing. Yup..back in the days when Jet-A was 20-45 cents a gallon.

User currently offlinegizmonc From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 17202 times:

While stationed in Missouri I remember flying home to NC on this routing:

MCI-LIT-BHM-MEM-ATL-GSP-CLT on a military confirmed fare of less

than $50.00.


User currently offlineflightopsguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 348 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 17193 times:

Once flew UAL 737-222 (brand new) in the late 60's from BAL to PIT. I think the flight continued to YNG, CLE, DTW, either FWA or SBN, then ORD.


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User currently offlinebriboy From Canada, joined Jul 2001, 366 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 17135 times:

Air Canada September 9, 1985 System Timetable
AC166 D9S YXE»YWG»YQG»YXU»YOW»YUL»YSJ
Food service between YXE»YWG, YWG»YQG, and YUL»YSJ



next up: YYC, SFO, SYD, AKL, WLG, CMB, BKK, SIN, FRA, VCE, JFK
User currently onlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3938 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 17071 times:

Decades before moving to Texas, as a kid, my family and I often flew to Dallas and Houston from our home in Minneapolis. I recall many 'milk runs' one that stands out for whatever reason was a trip to Houston on Braniff. Starting from MSP we were routed to OMA, MCI, DAL and into HOU circa 1971 starting off on a 707 to Love Filed and,switching to a 727 while at DAL.

There were so many, that I can not recall the routes some 40+ years hence, but many stops.



"Show me the Braniffs"
User currently offlinetrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3237 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16981 times:

Back in the day, BWIA (old BW) did many milk run services in the Caribbean. Their KIN and MIA routes popularly served many islands. For example, on the Jamaica run BW at one time did POS - BGI - ANU - SJU - KIN. Interestingly, when they started the Jamaica ops in the 1940s the plane would call at SDQ (then Ciudad Trujillo) on request! Later on the destination mix changed several times, with MIA tagged on beyond KIN (done on behalf of JM), then later SXM added as an alternative to ANU and some flights stopping in PAP (again on behalf of JM). In the 1990s BW dropped PAP and SJU and the flights became 5 weekly POS - BGI - ANU - KIN and 2 weekly POS - BGI - SXM - KIN. Later that decade some flights continued beyond POS to either TAB or GEO. I flew on the routes in the 1990s configuration several times and notably did KIN - SXM - ANU - BGI - POS in 2000 as BW combined 2 POS - KIN flights scheduled for that day and JM, on whom I was originally booked, cancelled their at that time daily KIN - BGI - POS service. Nowadays new BW, Caribbean Airlines, fly KIN via one or other of BGI, SXM and ANU and occasionally nonstop from POS.

The MIA runs circa late 1980s included POS - TAB - GND - UVF - ANU - MIA! I flew from POS to UVF on these services in 1988. By the following year TAB did not feature on the run but the others did - I went to MIA that year. BW had other MIA flights with one stop, the stop being either AUA or BGI. Nowadays all services by new BW to MIA run nonstop from POS - there are also daily flights to FLL, also nonstop.

One thing about these milk runs is what a great geography lesson they were, as you got to see the island chain along the way. With a little experience you could point out the capitals and other towns on each island and occasionally some major geographical features. Along the way I thus often got to see the French islands which I have not had the opportunity to visit. Also, in the old days BW would allow passengers off the plane at one or other stop and this was an opportunity to check out the duty-free shops or just stretch your legs. On a flight from POS to KIN in 1999 I thus got off the plane in both BGI and ANU, making that the only day I have ever set foot in 4 countries in 1 day! BGI's duty free did well with the intransit passengers and facilitated them by having some of the shops virtually next to the doors the intransits entered the lounge by. Nowadays alas one cannot disembark at intransit stops given the security checks which have to be done on board (luggage identification and all that).

Trintocan.



Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlinena747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 120 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16943 times:

In the early 90's I flew a SAHSA 737-200 on a ADZ-TGU-SAP-BZE-MIA routing. That was cool. Never had the chance to do a milk run again.

User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10377 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16912 times:

When I worked for DL at ORD in the 70s, we had a "milk run" flight that ran LIT-STL-ORD-DTW-CLE-BTV-MHT-BGR-PWM all on a DC9-14......


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User currently offlinedoulasc From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16892 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 12):

The ORD-DTW-CLE-BTV-MHT-BGR-PWM portion was inherited when Delta bought Northeast Airlines.


User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 864 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16896 times:
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Too many to count US domestic. In the 70s, my 2 favorite trips were PSA's Valley Queen LAX-FAT-SCK-SFO. And I took a Hughes Airwest RW F27 LAX-IPL-YUM-PHX were I connected to Frontier 737 PHX-TUS-ABQ-DEN...all for the price of a nonstop Y fare LAX-DEN of $88.00. Those were the days!

I did a few to Mexico in the 80s: Aero Mexico LAX-HMO-CEN-GDL-MEX and Mexicana LAX-MZT-SJD-GDL-MEX.

Tomas SJC



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User currently offlineKaphias From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16890 times:

The milk run is still a common occurrence up here in Alaska... many of the routes have remained unchanged for the past 35+ years. Some of the ones that still run are
AS 62: FAI-ANC-JNU-SIT-KTN-SEA
AS 64: ANC-JNU-PSG-WRG-KTN-SEA
AS 66: ANC-CDV-YAK-JNU-SEA
I've never flown the whole run on any of the flights, as I live in the middle, but I flew JNU-SIT-KTN-SEA last year and JNU-PSG-WRG-KTN-SEA a number of years ago. I really enjoy all the landings and takeoffs at the little airports, it's great fun.  



Flown on: C150, C172, C206, Beaver, Otter, Jetstream 32, Q400, CRJ7/9, E135/40/45, A320, B732/4/7/8/9, B744, B752, B763
User currently offlineJQflightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 969 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16883 times:

How about some modern day Milk Runs?
QF , QF2366/2314 BNE-ROK-MKY-TSV-CNS F100/DH8-300
UA, UA172 GUM-TKK-PNI-KSA-KWA-MAJ-HNL B738

so i guess it still happens



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4976 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 16692 times:

I loved all those milk runs airlines used to do.

Here are two of my favorites...

NC: MSP-LSE-MSN-MKE-ORD-GRR-DTW and back. You could take a CV-580 or DC-9.

SO: MDW-MEM-GLH-MLU-BTR-MSY.

Many of Braniff's milk runs were the old Mid Continent airlines routes. Such as OMA-MKC-TUL-FSM-SHV-MSY.

Another of DL's were ORD-STL-LIT-SHV-DAL.

And back in the days before deregulation you could create your own routings and even switch airlines with no additional fare increase. It was a lot of fun doing that.



Fly North Central Airlines..The route of the Northliners!
User currently offlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1088 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 16614 times:

National ran MIA-FMY-SRQ-TPA-MCO-DAB-JAX with 727s until the late 1970s - six legs, all in the state of Florida!

User currently onlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16538 times:

TWA used to have a route which went LAX-JFK-ORY-FCO-ATH-TLV-BOM-BKK-HKG-TPE-OKA-GUM-HNL-LAX. Around the world service with a 707.


Western Airlines used to have a route that went GTF-HLN-BTM-IDA-PIH-SLC. A total of 424 NM for 5 segments. It was flown twice a day in each direction on a 737. During the summer they added a stop at WYS between BTM and IDA.


User currently offlineJetstar315 From Australia, joined Sep 2007, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 16099 times:
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I think this one must just about beat them all!

This is from a Qantas Airways 1939 timetable with the service being operated by a Short S.23 Empire class flying boat. The trip took 10 days with 9 night stops at the places marked * -

Sydney to Brisbane, Gladstone, *Townsville, Karumba, Groot Eylandt, *Darwin, Koepang, *Sourabaya, Batavia, Singapore, *Penang, Bangkok, Rangoon, Akyab, *Calcutta, Allalabad, Gwalior, Raj Samand, *Karachi, Dubai, Bahrain, *Basra, Habbaniyeh, Tiberias, *Alexandria, Athens, Brindisi, Rome, *Marseilles, Southampton - 30 stops all up!

The trip operated 3 times a week from Sydney departing on Tues, Thurs and Sat. And to think we get upset these days with SYD-SIN-LHR or SYD-LAX-LHR which are achieved in around 24 hours!!!!


User currently offlineBluebird191 From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 15641 times:

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 16):
How about some modern day Milk Runs?
QF , QF2366/2314 BNE-ROK-MKY-TSV-CNS F100/DH8-300

There was also QF2307 (not sure what the corresponding northbound flight number is) that was CNS-TSV-MKY-ROK-GLT-BNE, typically on a DH8-300. I flew on the ROK-GLT-BNE sectors of the route on 20 December 2008. Was a nifty 20 or 25 minute leg from ROK to GLT followed by a longer 1hr 15minute sector from GLT. Was seated in seat 1B for the flight and had a wonderful chat to one of 2 flight attendants working the flight.


User currently offlinechannelhopper From Bouvet Island, joined Dec 2011, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15419 times:

I remember being booked by my company on QF from London to Sydney in about 1974 when as far as I remember the routing was LHR/BDA/NAS/MEX/LAX/HHL/SYD, on a 707. It was a long journey and left me with an abiding dislike for whoever in our London office had routed me this way.I remember it took me almost a week to recover,

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9279 posts, RR: 29
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 15121 times:

That was the "Fiesta" route and IIRC it was LHR-BDA-NAS-MEX-ACA-PPT-SYD.

BTW - the term "milk run" or "haelt an jeder Milchkanne" (stops at each milk can" is almost as old as railroading., where it comes from.



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User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14628 times:
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the only milk run i've been on is the Island Hopper from Gum-Hnl via TKK, KSA, PNI, KWA, and MAJ. I may have the order wrong slightly, but it's an interesting yet grueling 14 hour trip on a 737-800. I realized on that trip how good the short field performance of the 737-800 really it, it's got alot of power to get off those short runways. I can remember when CO used to operate 727-200s on that trip. That must have been quite the experience flying into those tiny little airports on the 727.

Everytime I look at WN's current schedules I think WN should offer some kind of Milk Run fare where if you're willing to fly the whole route from start to finish, you get something like 5 or 10 percent off of full fare per leg flown, so if you fly a 10 leg trip, you get 50 percent off the equivalent full fare. The catch would be, if you get off somewhere in the middle, you'd be charged the full fare.



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25 PI734 : PI used to run routes back in the early to mid-80's like: ATL-AVL-TRI-ROA-ORD DAB-JAX-CLT-AVL-LEX-ORD ORD-CRW-DCA-GSO-CLT-CAE PI used to run alot of m
26 OB1783P : Interesting post. Were there more 'Fifth Freedom' segments then than now? For instance, let us consider the quoted TWA routing LAX-JFK-ORY-FCO-ATH-TLV
27 bobloblaw : Air Canada use to have two flights AC 166 and AC 167. They were D9S that flew all the way across Canada. Something like YYT-YHZ-YUL-YOW-YWG-YXE-YEG-YY
28 jfk777 : On the TWA and PA round the world flights passengers could buy any part of the route they wanted. IF Paris to Bombay is your route then that is what
29 ClassicLover : You forgot NAN - it was SYD-NAN-PPT-ACA-MEX-NAS-BDA-LHR - and it was apparently Qantas flight 581. In addition to the Fiesta Route, there was the Wal
30 SCL767 : Here are some interesting milk-runs that LAN Chile flew in the past. During the 1970's LAN Chile flew: SCL-ANF-LIM-CLO-PTY-MIA B727 MVD-EZE-SCL-LIM-GY
31 sahsa : My first memorable flight (1993): Sahsa MSY-BZE-SAP-TGU on a 737-200. A few others from MSY in the 90's: LACSA: MSY-CUN-SAP-TGU-SJO B732 TACA: MSY-RTB
32 TWA1985 : One of my first flights was in July of 1985 on Northwest Orient. My mom kept the ticket. We were routed ORD-BIL-BZN-GTF-GEG-SEA. The flight was NW 71,
33 mayor : When I worked in SHV in '80-'82, we had a flight (511, IIRC) that went DFW-SHV-MLU-JAN-BHM-ATL on a 727..... In SLC in about '84, we had a 727 that we
34 Post contains images ludavid777 : When I was growing up, In the late 80's/early 90's we used to regularly fly SAHSA/TAN-SAHSA: LCE-RTB-SAP-TGU. Up and down 20 min 737 flights. I still
35 AVLAirlineFreq : The old Frontier Airlines had some doozy milk runs across the central and Rocky Mountain U.S.
36 PanHAM : you are right on the fiesta route and I actually did SYD-JNB however with SA and CCK was not included. But SYD-PER-MRU-JNB on a 742, luckily in F.
37 mfricke : I had the chance to fly on a new "milk run" route last year. Aerolineas Argentinas (via their Austral subsidiary) created a new route called the "Nati
38 Dizzy777 : QF2300 & QF2308 run BNE - GLT - ROK - MKY - TSV - CNS (flys as QF2300 mon to fri & QF2308 sat - sun) QF2301 flys in the opposite direction at
39 type-rated : People that worked that route called it "The Rocky Mountain Hop".
40 bobloblaw : Lots of double tags like DEN-BIS-MOT-YQR-YXE or DEN-FAR-GFK-YWG One more Ozark on a FH227 or even a DC-9: STL-SPI-DEC-CMI-ORD
41 Dano1977 : I remember as a kid, after leaving summer camp in Canada, having to travel to Florida to meet my parents. Flying USair when it still had the polished
42 bobloblaw : The terminus was MSP, not OMA.
43 hanuise : In the mid-seventies, I flew several times between France and Ethiopia. Most airlines were flying milk runs, as for example: AF: CDG - CAI - KRT - JIB
44 MasseyBrown : I took Co's old Island Hopper in its 727 days from HNL to GUM. After the first couple of islands (paraphrasing the late great Spiro Agnew, if you've s
45 jmbweeboy : My favorite milk run in the Caribbean was in the early 1970s on Caribair, a DC-9-30, which operated MIA-MBJ-KIN-PAP-SDQ-SJU the final terminus. What w
46 BoeingGuy : What about the old Hughes Airwest F27 the did something like: Boeing Field-Tacoma-Olympia-Astoria-Roseburg-Coos Bay-Medford-Crescent City-Eureka-Reddi
47 cic777 : In the 70s RW had a DC9-30 routed LAS SFO CIC RDD LMT RDM PDX and SEA I believe.
48 PI4EVER : My first flight during training in September, 1969, to become "familiar" with the route system, I rode PI565, a Martin 404, DCA-ORF-ECG-RMT-RDU-GSO-CL
49 turk223 : Oh yes, when I worked with BW we had some crazy routings... With the JM interchange at SJU, I remember BW/JM418 went POS-BGI-ANU-SXM-SJU-PAP-KIN on t
50 MakeMinesLAX : I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Southwest yet, which seems to have picked up the mantle from Western, Hughes Airwest, Northwest, Frontier, etc. in th
51 Bluebird191 : It may currently be a weekday stop but I did that ROK-GLT-BNE on 2307 on a Saturday - it was daily back in 2008. Was an interesting flight as we depa
52 n5014k : Took a NW 727 once SEA-GEG-MSO-HLN-BIL-BIS-MSP-DCA. PI YS-11 SDF-LEX-ROA-RIC WA 737 SLC-BOI-PSC-SEA DL 727 ATL-SHV-BPT-IAH DL used to run a lot of fli
53 spacecadet : One of the most memorable flights of my life - and I've mentioned it here in other threads - was a flight in one of Hughes Airwest's flying bananas fr
54 lweber557 : Southwest used to be the king of these back in the day. I remember on one flight the pilot jokingly announcing a stop in HOU for "Gas and directions."
55 norjet : I'm looking at an Air France schedule from Feb 15, 1960 with T.A.I. flights 601/602 Los Angeles - Honolulu - Bora Bora - Fiji - Noumea - Jakarta - Sai
56 jaxfss : I remember going from SDF-STL via IND, CMI, SPI. on an OZ F-27. On the return trip I jumpseated on an F-27 via STL, MWA, PAH (then PUK), CKV, SDF. Tha
57 flflyer : Not that it has many stops, but it is short hops; UA DC6, Pit,YNG,CAK,CLE
58 nomadic : Back in the day when living in Denver and visiting family in New York State I frequently booked milkrun flights to experience more takeoffs & land
59 ChrisNH : I would love a copy of a Northeast (Yellowbird) Timetable from the 1970s. That would be chock-full of 'milk-runs' connecting all sorts of little New E
60 Post contains links mayor : Maybe this will help...... http://www.departedflights.com/NE060169intro.html I seem to remember that even after DL took over these routes and many of
61 ChrisNH : Awesome! Thank you so much!
62 CairnterriAIR : Back in the early 80's I took a fun little multi-stop journey aboard a BEST Airlines DC-9-10 when I went out to Notre Dame Univerity to visit my broth
63 mcg : In the late 70's NWA operated a 727 SEA-GEG-MSO-GTF-BIL-BIS-MSP. It arrived at MSP at about midnight. From there you could connect on to a 747 for a q
64 Viscount724 : TW and PA had a number of 5th freedom restrictions where they couldn't carry local traffic. For example, a TW 1968 timetable shows no local traffic H
65 alggag : Southwest doesn't offer those itineraries for sale unlike the stories in the thread where people actually make like 5 stops on enroute. The most you
66 113312 : When I was three years old, my Dad traveled to Dallas several times a year on business. Many times he returned home on propliner flights which he desc
67 planemannyc : In 1982, my family and I flew on a Biman 707 DAC-DXB-AUH (I kid you not) - FCO-LHR (that was a few weeks after we had flown SIN-KUL-DAC, so our trip f
68 bluemeatball : In August of 1970, I flew on PA 502 (Sa only) VCP-GIG-BSB-PTY-GUA-MEX-IAH. Departed at 0800 local time VCP and ar rived IAH 2359. I was the only passe
69 longhauler : I recall looking in my Father's logbook on his first trip as Vanguard Captain: AC 508 YYZ-YUL-YFC-YHZ-YQY-YJT-YQX-YYT Returning the next day: AC515 YY
70 Post contains images RWA380 : Had J tickets bought to take the HNL-GUM Island Hopper flight with the JON stop included on the 72 in J, and had to bail day before to head to the ma
71 MakeMinesLAX : The reason for my interest in this flight in the first place was due to the push-back announcement in MCO: "Welcome to the continuation of flight 205
72 Post contains images WALmsp : For our annual trip to Minnesota to visit family, I would beg my father for that flight, but we always took the non-stop .
73 Post contains images NorthStarDC4M : YYU-YTS-(YYB)-YSB-YAM-YQT-YQK-YWG 6 days a week return, on NorOntAir Dash 8s until 1996... Always sticks in my mind that one... Austin Airways flew a
74 Mozart : How many cities/legs/stops for a flight to be considered a "milk run"? Many intercontinental flying up until the late 1970s were milk runs with more t
75 FWAERJ : Back in the days when I lived in Chicago (around 1996), I took WN MDW-MCI-LAS-RNO-PDX because it was the cheapest way to get between Chicago and PDX.
76 eta unknown : In the 90's the longest (distance) milk runs were UTA 744 CDG-SIn-CGK-SYD-NOU and Aeroflot IL-62 or IL-86 SVO-SCL via 5 stops- some were MLA, DKR.
77 christao17 : I have a UA schedule dated June 11, 1971. Noticed that they flew several interesting milk runs on the west coast, presumably with either 727 or 737s.
78 RWA380 : You know it's funny in the days you are referring to, UA was a dominant carrier in the west, milk runs were commonplace and remote little stations we
79 PanHAM : Now, while we are at it, LH hd an interesting routing to the South American west coast FRA-JFK-KIN (MBJ) UIO (GYE)-LIM-SCL Not sure now if LPB was inc
80 Mozart : IIRC the Lufthansa route to La Paz, at least in its final days, was flown with a 747-200 and routed Frankfurt-San Juan-Bogota-Lima-La Paz.
81 AirlineBrat : In May 1989 I flew FAI-ANC-SEA-GEG-SFO-MRY on a UA 727-100. I was able to purchase a ticket all the way through. Departed FAI as the sun was setting a
82 Tomassjc : This was one of UA's last prop routes and then was operated by a Frontier Convair 580 for United when the 737s came on line. Tomas SJC
83 GentFromAlaska : To add to the nostalgia Wrangell (WRG) and Petersburg (PSG) Alaska for two used the stairs atop ground support equipment There were no loading bridge
84 ItalianFlyer : Here is a good international one from Greg's latest departedflights upload for GUA dated 7/84 KL779: GUA - AMS, 4 stops PTY, AUA,CCS,LIS on a DC10.
85 GentFromAlaska : What was CO Micronesia did quite a bit on the small Atoll flying such as Midway Island, Kwajalein et all.
86 RWA380 : CO route map 10/71 HNL-MDY-KWA-MAJ-PNI-TKK-GUM (Side service from MAJ to Tarawa, Funafuti & American Samoa) CO route map 04/78 HNL-JON-MAJ-KWA-PN
87 Bralo20 : I've found a "milkrun" dating back tot the 1930's (35 or 36), quite a trip: Brussels - Paris - Marseille - Algiers - El Goléa - Aoulef - Gao - Niamey
88 flyingturtle : In "Surely you're joking, Mr. Feynman", the famous physicist wrote about such a milk run flight... during World War II, tickets were subject to quotas
89 bobloblaw : This was flown with a Convair 440 well into the 1970s. In fact it was flown with a 737 and was so unprofitable that UA got a CV-440 just to fly this
90 yellowtail : actually some days it kept going.....MSY-BZE-SAP-SAL-SJO-PTY. Today you can still do (I believe)....GUA-SAL-SJO-PTY And Hot food (pollo o carne?) and
91 skycub : I don't think I have seen anyone mention some of the routes of Southern Airways. Looking at their July 1, 1978 timetable, Southern operated DC-9s on (
92 WA707atMSP : This route was actually flown with DC-6s until 1970. It was UA's last DC-6 route. After the DC-6s were retired, UA sub contracted with the original F
93 mogandoCI : If you really want to live out your nostalgia, UA (from CO Micro) has this Pacific island milk run from GUM to HNL ... which takes forever. But it's p
94 lat41 : National flight 407 was operated with same number and routing for what seemed like ages PVD JFK ORF CHS SAV JAX. That's a lot of Navy towns from start
95 GSPSPOT : SO used to hop MOB-GPT-MSY. EA and NA at various times had MOB-PNS. NA had MSY-MOB-PNS-PFN_TLH_JAX if I recall correctly. All on various DC9s and 727s
96 christao17 : Thanks to all three of you for the additional (if slightly conflicting) information. Fascinating history.
97 United_fan : Not as exciting,but UA used to ROC-BUF-ORD on the last 737 flight out and DL used to to ATL-SYR-ROC with 727's .
98 WA707atMSP : Kalmbach (publisher of Model Railroader and Trains) produced a very short lived airline magazine in 1973 / 74 called Airliners International. Issue #
99 timz : As far as anyone else knows either. Anyone seen a pic of a UA 340 converted to a 440?
100 jetset : Aeroflot used to have a flight operated by IL86 flight number AFL347B SVO-LUX-SNN-YQX-HAV-PTY-LIM-SCL Regards Jetset
101 bobloblaw : Sorery, Ill look in my OAG. It may have been a 580 then.
102 Post contains images RWA380 : You must have missed my post a few up from your comment, here is the routing again for your review.
103 Post contains images multimark : In 1985 I won a ticket anywhere Pacific Western (PWA) flew, so I went: YVR-YLW-YYC-YBR-YQT-YYZ on a 737-200. Having just turned 19, the best thing fro
104 brilondon : I flew the reverse flight back in the day but it started in YYT-YHZ-YQB-YUL-YOW-YXU-YQG-YWG-YXE-YEG-YVR.
105 Max Q : Glad you enjoyed it but you sort of have it backwards. The B727 was a far better short field Aircraft than the B738 is, in fact there were a lot of c
106 Viscount724 : In 1962 BOAC had a 9-stop Comet 4 from LHR to MEB (the old Melbourne airport before MEL was built). Elapsed time all the way 36.5 hours. Routing LHR-
107 lariat250 : This was an American Airlines transcon milk run 1960. flt 212 left lax 1540 daily arr lga 1415 the next day. stops lax san phx tus bis elp acf mem bna
108 longhauler : Another one I thought was interesting in the summer of 1970, was AC 390, and AC391. At 1000 you could climb onto a DC-8 in YYZ and an hour later be in
109 mayor : tus-BIS-elp? Tucson to Bismark and back down to El Paso?
110 connies4ever : But, since your Dad was flying the Ultimate Airliner it would have been a pleasure. The Vanguard was a wonderful beast, IMHO. AC retired them too ear
111 BoeingGuy : I think he probably mean Bisbee, AZ, although I thought AA used to serve nearby Douglas, AZ.
112 type-rated : And the F/A announcements: "For those of you who are getting off here at XXX, we thank you for flying with us today and for those who are continuing o
113 Post contains images SWALUVFA : Going back to the person's post about Piedmont....they did indeed have some great milk runs!!! They called the fares "hop scotch fares" LOL One of the
114 Post contains images mayor : Well, that certainly would make more sense.
115 28L28L : From the 15 June 1990 AA timetable: AA755, DC-10 POS-SJU-ORD-SJC-HNL Cheers.
116 LHRBFSTrident : The Highlands and Islands services in Scotland have had several milk runs over the years - only 5 years ago I travelled on a BA franchise Loganair fli
117 flyingdoc787 : I remember flying Swissair DC-10's in the 1980's from Manila to Zurich that went MNL-BKK-BOM-ATH-ZRH. Among the things the crew distributed before tak
118 connies4ever : In my earlier post I completely forgot to include (then) Trans-Canada Air Lines western milk run from Winnipeg to Calgary: YWG-YBR-YQV-YQR-YYN-YXH-YQL
119 Post contains images Viscount724 : To the best of my memory, Transair never served the 3 Alberta points (YXH/YQL/YYC). Technically, YQL-YYC wasn't part of the Prairie Milk Run route wh
120 nzrich : NAC ( National airways corporation NZ) / TEAL ( Tasman Empire Airways Limited ) / NZ All serviced the Coral Route which initially started with luxury
121 BoeingGuy : Are you sure about this? To the best of my knowledge, AA didn't start SJC-HNL until around 1999 or so, and it was with a 757. I remember the news rel
122 knope2001 : To me, the best milk runs are a series of short hops. One of my favorites was Delta's (legacy Northeast's) New England roundup to Chicago. Here's flig
123 RWA380 : For my personal milk run experience would be Air BC as AC YXD-YQU-YDQ-YXJ-YXS-YVR 4 hours 40 mins on a Dash 8 in 1990 IIRC.[Edited 2012-08-18 22:06:52
124 mayor : Don't remember the flight number, but here's the counterpart, probably from before '74.....
125 doulasc : Lets not forget TWA's last Lockheed Constellation flight on April 6 1967. N6020C Lockheed 749A JFK-PHL-PIT-CMH-SDF-STL. People passed up a non stop je
126 CitationJet : Per the Braniff schedule dated Sept 2, 1958 here is the following 13 stop flight. DEN > COS > AMA > OKC > TUL > FSM > LIT > MEM &
127 doulasc : Was that a interchange flight with Braniff operating the flight to Memphis.Eastern from Memphis to Florida>
128 adambrau : My favorite current milk run is JFK-SFO-NRT-SIN on United. I know there is a nonstop out of EWR on SQ and various 1 stop options, but I like the fact
129 WALmsp : In the early/mid 70s, when visiting relatives, I'd take NC to Fairmont, MN by way of Mankato. The plane continued on to Wilmington, Sioux Falls and D
130 timz : In the 1950s most? all? 900-series domestic flights were interchanges.
131 okie : Surprised no one has mentioned that was a lot of soda pop and smokehouse almonds on those DL hops. There was pretty much cabin service no matter how
132 Viscount724 : From the 1940s through the 1970s CP operated the identical route (minus the stop at YDQ which didn't have an airport until the mid-60s and it's only
133 RWA380 : This reminds me of the PDX-SEA segment that many carriers flew at one time or another, most of the planes flying this segment were part of a greater
134 ABQopsHP : Here is my contribution to this thread. TI (Texas International) LRD-CRP-IAH-AUS-LBB-AMA-DEN DC9 and FL (old Frontier) OMA-LNK-GRI-LBF-BFF-DEN CV580,
135 christao17 : No offense, but does that really qualify as a "milk run"? I thought the concept of a milk run was that the flight made many small stops along the way
136 CityAirline : My father once in a while likes to tell me about his first trips to the Philippines during the early 80s. Always just as fun to hear about: CPH-FRA-FC
137 RWA380 : When I really read back through these posts, there are a myriad of RTW flights that stopped a lot, maybe 3 stops in Europe, so some would have been c
138 CAMPBELL : In 1965 my family got to expierence the Military Airlift Command Pacific service. We flew commericialy from CAE-ATL on a DL CV-440, ATL-DAL-SFO on a D
139 jaxfss : I Forgot about this one. Lake Central Airlines had several "milk runs". The one that I remember was flight 35 from BUF-ERI-YNG-CAK-CMH-DAY-IND-SBN-AZO
140 skycub : I wanted to say that earlier but did not for risk of being flamed. My idea of a milk-run is a route that stops at just about every place or many plac
141 jaxfss : Timetablesimages.com has a lot of interesting information. Some of the timetables before about 1965 are the line type. After that time most of the air
142 HBGDS : Yeah, SR did several such milkruns. I did GVA-ZRH-KHI-HKG in a DC-10-30er, but when they still had the DC-8s, AThens was added to the list (and a cou
143 mayor : Exactly........the DL flight that went LIT-STL-ORD-DTW-CLE-BTV-MHT-BGR-PWM on a DC-9-14 probably didn't have more than an hour flight time on any of
144 Cricket : In India back in the day IC used to have some classic runs DEL-JAI-JDH-UDR-BOM and DEL-LKO-PAT-CCU. Heck, if you have to get to South Korea from BOM o
145 christao17 : Indeed - a very good point. "Milk run" might mean different things depending on whether we're talking about a regional flight within one country or t
146 RWA380 : Indeed you are correct, local, regional, national and international should be the categories. In the day there were flights that were all inside of t
147 Viscount724 : SR111 turned around at GVA. At one time the GVA-JFK-GVA flights used to continue to/from ZRH but that had stopped long before the SR111 crash. I beli
148 GentFromAlaska : If transcon count as milk runs in the mid 90's on my very first WN flight the aircraft routing was BWI-MDW-OKC-LAS-BOI-SEA we left BWI at 10:30AM and
149 christao17 : I thought we just called that "a typical WN flight"! Ha ha!
150 NWAESC : TW did the same thing with their L10's for awhile in the mid '90's...
151 WA707atMSP : Great Lakes has some milk runs, but you can't book them end to end. Last year, I flew Las Vegas-Page-Moab-Denver, to log PGA and CNY. I was on the sa
152 RWA380 : Yes they did, took them once r/t PDX-SEA-PDX for $33.00 r/t paid fare during the famous half price ticket sale, the routing was PDX-SEA-JFK, a few ot
153 Post contains links mayor : As long as we're talking about "milk runs", here's about DL's FIRST route, eastbound and westbound.....this is from the Delta Heritage Museum website:
154 Tomassjc : I couldn't let this thread rest, as I just discovered this 10 stop "Tour of the West" flight between Seattle and Phoenix from Hughes Airwest July 1976
155 WA707atMSP : I wonder if more than 1 or 2 passengers a year flew just on Twin Falls - Stockton? You are right, this is one of the oddest segments I've ever seen.
156 Tomassjc : I know RW promoted TWF as the "Gateway to Sun Valley" quite a bit, and at one point flew TWF-SFO nonstop on weekends during Ski Season. But this in t
157 BoeingGuy : Western did SFO-TWF in the Winter at times also IIRC. We need to find that exact routing of Hughes Airwest's "real" Milk Run. That was the one from S
158 Post contains links Tomassjc : BoeingGuy, here's a good link to the July 1, 1968 Air West timetable with lots of interesting routings out of BFI! http://timetableimages.com/ttimage
159 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : If this wasn't a fictional airline I might have named http://www.skyhighairlines.com/ milk run airways I can't help but chuckle when I look at some of
160 727LOVER : Well, a friend just returned an old NW timetable from Dec 1978 today & I found this one Miami - Chicago(ORD) - Mpls/St. Paul - Fargo - Bismarck -
161 TWA1985 : WOW! Could one crew operate the entire trip? Is that even legal? The September, 1985 timetable lists a similar flight #71: DETROIT-CHICAGO-BILLINGS-B
162 DesertAir : UA usted to fly a late evening flight SFO-MOD-SCK-SFO in the late 70s. I flew the COPA milk-run Panama-San Jose de Costa Rica-San Salvador-Managua-Gua
163 mtnwest1979 : In the Frontier schedule in early or mid 70's, they operated a CVR Dallas-Missoula with 12 enroute stops. Same flight #.11 on Saturday as they omitted
164 pqdtw : My old favorite Ozark routing DFW TUL JLN SGF COU STL ORD on the DC-9. Actually listed in the Ozark timetable as 5-stop service from Dallas to Chicago
165 RWA380 : Seattle, Tacoma, Olympia, Hoquium/Aberdeen, Astoria, Portland, Corvallis, North Bend, Crescent City, Eureka/Arcata, San Francisco. July 1st 1972 RW t
166 lat41 : During the 70's United operated #375 for a long stretch starting in PVD in the morning to ORD then to SLC BOI PDT on a 722 for no apparent reason. I a
167 WA707atMSP : I was browsing through the first (Summer 1973) issue of short-lived Airliners International last night. This magazine has an article showing where eve
168 Post contains images Viscount724 : In November 1975 I noted that North Central had a 6-stop Convair 580 from YWG to ORD, routing YWG - DLH (Duluth, MN) - IWD (Ironwood, WI) - RHI (Rhin
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