flylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 762 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 16707 times:
Milk Run is an American colloquialism for a route that has many stops. Before aircraft had the legs to traverse half the globe non-stop there were many international "milk runs". The inspiration for this topic was a recent topic about LH and its FRA-SYD run which made numerous stops along the way. Apparently for the crews it was a three week gig.
So, I am interested in any stories, photos etc. that we might have about the nostalgic days of the international milk run.
OzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4783 posts, RR: 22 Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 16587 times:
I myself flew Ozark from Peoria to MSP via CID/ALO/RST. And Ozark from Peoria to LGA via CMI and IAD. Also flew Ozark from PIA to MCI via SPI/STL/COU. Sometimes a connection but there ya go. Oh and PIA to TPA via IND and BNA.
Ozark Flies Your Way, Coast To Coast and Border To Border
doulasc From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 438 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 16525 times:
National Airlines(Sun King) was famous for milk runs between Miami and New York and Boston stopping in various cities in Florida,then Savanah,Charleston SC,Norfolk. and in the Florida Panhandle JAX-TLH-PFN-PNS-MOB-MSY-IAH.
Pan Am's Houston to Central America. IAH-MEX-GTL-SAL-MGA-SJO-PTY. That came to an end when Pan Am retired their Boeing 707-321Bs in 1980.
tan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1881 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 16487 times:
While not international...In the mid and late 70's UA ran a 727 on always a FWA-SBN-DEN route..then the variable always kicked in..was it a DEN-BOI or whatever...For a period one of those winters it was a true milk run..FWA-SBN-DEN_BOI-GEG-SEA. I actuall knew some folk that took it to SEA as they did not like making connections at DEN in the winter..so they got to enjoy a few extra take-offs and landings enroute. An Anutters dream flight of sorts!
tan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1881 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 16421 times:
reflecting a moment...check out the early-mid-70's Delta flight itineraries on departed flights website..some 72s and D9S had as many as 7 segments on a single routing. Yup..back in the days when Jet-A was 20-45 cents a gallon.
thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3786 posts, RR: 24 Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 16268 times:
Decades before moving to Texas, as a kid, my family and I often flew to Dallas and Houston from our home in Minneapolis. I recall many 'milk runs' one that stands out for whatever reason was a trip to Houston on Braniff. Starting from MSP we were routed to OMA, MCI, DAL and into HOU circa 1971 starting off on a 707 to Love Filed and,switching to a 727 while at DAL.
There were so many, that I can not recall the routes some 40+ years hence, but many stops.
trintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3211 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16178 times:
Back in the day, BWIA (old BW) did many milk run services in the Caribbean. Their KIN and MIA routes popularly served many islands. For example, on the Jamaica run BW at one time did POS - BGI - ANU - SJU - KIN. Interestingly, when they started the Jamaica ops in the 1940s the plane would call at SDQ (then Ciudad Trujillo) on request! Later on the destination mix changed several times, with MIA tagged on beyond KIN (done on behalf of JM), then later SXM added as an alternative to ANU and some flights stopping in PAP (again on behalf of JM). In the 1990s BW dropped PAP and SJU and the flights became 5 weekly POS - BGI - ANU - KIN and 2 weekly POS - BGI - SXM - KIN. Later that decade some flights continued beyond POS to either TAB or GEO. I flew on the routes in the 1990s configuration several times and notably did KIN - SXM - ANU - BGI - POS in 2000 as BW combined 2 POS - KIN flights scheduled for that day and JM, on whom I was originally booked, cancelled their at that time daily KIN - BGI - POS service. Nowadays new BW, Caribbean Airlines, fly KIN via one or other of BGI, SXM and ANU and occasionally nonstop from POS.
The MIA runs circa late 1980s included POS - TAB - GND - UVF - ANU - MIA! I flew from POS to UVF on these services in 1988. By the following year TAB did not feature on the run but the others did - I went to MIA that year. BW had other MIA flights with one stop, the stop being either AUA or BGI. Nowadays all services by new BW to MIA run nonstop from POS - there are also daily flights to FLL, also nonstop.
One thing about these milk runs is what a great geography lesson they were, as you got to see the island chain along the way. With a little experience you could point out the capitals and other towns on each island and occasionally some major geographical features. Along the way I thus often got to see the French islands which I have not had the opportunity to visit. Also, in the old days BW would allow passengers off the plane at one or other stop and this was an opportunity to check out the duty-free shops or just stretch your legs. On a flight from POS to KIN in 1999 I thus got off the plane in both BGI and ANU, making that the only day I have ever set foot in 4 countries in 1 day! BGI's duty free did well with the intransit passengers and facilitated them by having some of the shops virtually next to the doors the intransits entered the lounge by. Nowadays alas one cannot disembark at intransit stops given the security checks which have to be done on board (luggage identification and all that).
Tomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 741 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16093 times:
Too many to count US domestic. In the 70s, my 2 favorite trips were PSA's Valley Queen LAX-FAT-SCK-SFO. And I took a Hughes Airwest RW F27 LAX-IPL-YUM-PHX were I connected to Frontier 737 PHX-TUS-ABQ-DEN...all for the price of a nonstop Y fare LAX-DEN of $88.00. Those were the days!
I did a few to Mexico in the 80s: Aero Mexico LAX-HMO-CEN-GDL-MEX and Mexicana LAX-MZT-SJD-GDL-MEX.
When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth with your eyes turned skyward -Leonardo DaVinci
Kaphias From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 240 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16087 times:
The milk run is still a common occurrence up here in Alaska... many of the routes have remained unchanged for the past 35+ years. Some of the ones that still run are
AS 62: FAI-ANC-JNU-SIT-KTN-SEA
AS 64: ANC-JNU-PSG-WRG-KTN-SEA
AS 66: ANC-CDV-YAK-JNU-SEA
I've never flown the whole run on any of the flights, as I live in the middle, but I flew JNU-SIT-KTN-SEA last year and JNU-PSG-WRG-KTN-SEA a number of years ago. I really enjoy all the landings and takeoffs at the little airports, it's great fun.
bohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2565 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 15735 times:
TWA used to have a route which went LAX-JFK-ORY-FCO-ATH-TLV-BOM-BKK-HKG-TPE-OKA-GUM-HNL-LAX. Around the world service with a 707.
Western Airlines used to have a route that went GTF-HLN-BTM-IDA-PIH-SLC. A total of 424 NM for 5 segments. It was flown twice a day in each direction on a 737. During the summer they added a stop at WYS between BTM and IDA.
Bluebird191 From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 100 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14838 times:
Quoting JQflightie (Reply 16): How about some modern day Milk Runs?
QF , QF2366/2314 BNE-ROK-MKY-TSV-CNS F100/DH8-300
There was also QF2307 (not sure what the corresponding northbound flight number is) that was CNS-TSV-MKY-ROK-GLT-BNE, typically on a DH8-300. I flew on the ROK-GLT-BNE sectors of the route on 20 December 2008. Was a nifty 20 or 25 minute leg from ROK to GLT followed by a longer 1hr 15minute sector from GLT. Was seated in seat 1B for the flight and had a wonderful chat to one of 2 flight attendants working the flight.
channelhopper From Bouvet Island, joined Dec 2011, 5 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14616 times:
I remember being booked by my company on QF from London to Sydney in about 1974 when as far as I remember the routing was LHR/BDA/NAS/MEX/LAX/HHL/SYD, on a 707. It was a long journey and left me with an abiding dislike for whoever in our London office had routed me this way.I remember it took me almost a week to recover,
NorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1756 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13825 times:
the only milk run i've been on is the Island Hopper from Gum-Hnl via TKK, KSA, PNI, KWA, and MAJ. I may have the order wrong slightly, but it's an interesting yet grueling 14 hour trip on a 737-800. I realized on that trip how good the short field performance of the 737-800 really it, it's got alot of power to get off those short runways. I can remember when CO used to operate 727-200s on that trip. That must have been quite the experience flying into those tiny little airports on the 727.
Everytime I look at WN's current schedules I think WN should offer some kind of Milk Run fare where if you're willing to fly the whole route from start to finish, you get something like 5 or 10 percent off of full fare per leg flown, so if you fly a 10 leg trip, you get 50 percent off the equivalent full fare. The catch would be, if you get off somewhere in the middle, you'd be charged the full fare.
Why are people so against low yields?! If lower yields means more people can travel abroad, i'm all for it
25 PI734: PI used to run routes back in the early to mid-80's like: ATL-AVL-TRI-ROA-ORD DAB-JAX-CLT-AVL-LEX-ORD ORD-CRW-DCA-GSO-CLT-CAE PI used to run alot of m
26 OB1783P: Interesting post. Were there more 'Fifth Freedom' segments then than now? For instance, let us consider the quoted TWA routing LAX-JFK-ORY-FCO-ATH-TLV
27 bobloblaw: Air Canada use to have two flights AC 166 and AC 167. They were D9S that flew all the way across Canada. Something like YYT-YHZ-YUL-YOW-YWG-YXE-YEG-YY
28 jfk777: On the TWA and PA round the world flights passengers could buy any part of the route they wanted. IF Paris to Bombay is your route then that is what
29 ClassicLover: You forgot NAN - it was SYD-NAN-PPT-ACA-MEX-NAS-BDA-LHR - and it was apparently Qantas flight 581. In addition to the Fiesta Route, there was the Wal
30 SCL767: Here are some interesting milk-runs that LAN Chile flew in the past. During the 1970's LAN Chile flew: SCL-ANF-LIM-CLO-PTY-MIA B727 MVD-EZE-SCL-LIM-GY
31 sahsa: My first memorable flight (1993): Sahsa MSY-BZE-SAP-TGU on a 737-200. A few others from MSY in the 90's: LACSA: MSY-CUN-SAP-TGU-SJO B732 TACA: MSY-RTB
32 TWA1985: One of my first flights was in July of 1985 on Northwest Orient. My mom kept the ticket. We were routed ORD-BIL-BZN-GTF-GEG-SEA. The flight was NW 71,
33 mayor: When I worked in SHV in '80-'82, we had a flight (511, IIRC) that went DFW-SHV-MLU-JAN-BHM-ATL on a 727..... In SLC in about '84, we had a 727 that we
34 ludavid777: When I was growing up, In the late 80's/early 90's we used to regularly fly SAHSA/TAN-SAHSA: LCE-RTB-SAP-TGU. Up and down 20 min 737 flights. I still
35 AVLAirlineFreq: The old Frontier Airlines had some doozy milk runs across the central and Rocky Mountain U.S.
36 PanHAM: you are right on the fiesta route and I actually did SYD-JNB however with SA and CCK was not included. But SYD-PER-MRU-JNB on a 742, luckily in F.
37 mfricke: I had the chance to fly on a new "milk run" route last year. Aerolineas Argentinas (via their Austral subsidiary) created a new route called the "Nati
38 Dizzy777: QF2300 & QF2308 run BNE - GLT - ROK - MKY - TSV - CNS (flys as QF2300 mon to fri & QF2308 sat - sun) QF2301 flys in the opposite direction at
39 type-rated: People that worked that route called it "The Rocky Mountain Hop".
40 bobloblaw: Lots of double tags like DEN-BIS-MOT-YQR-YXE or DEN-FAR-GFK-YWG One more Ozark on a FH227 or even a DC-9: STL-SPI-DEC-CMI-ORD
41 Dano1977: I remember as a kid, after leaving summer camp in Canada, having to travel to Florida to meet my parents. Flying USair when it still had the polished