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Amsterdam's Unique Jetbridges  
User currently offlineUnited1P From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 112 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 14808 times:

Hey all, I've never been to AMS before but I've seen in pictures that this airport's F Pier has these funky jetbridges that can extend to the aircraft doors *behind* the wings. I've always thought this design brilliant and would imagine it allows for much more efficient boarding; does any other airport in the world have them? What compelled AMS to install them in the first place?

http://www.airliners.net/photo//1256...d=7c2242cfa75b6e497a324598740162ab

Thanks, and apologies if this has already been discussed-- I couldn't find it anywhere.


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User currently onlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2036 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 14809 times:

I think Albany tried them for a couple years with WN. I don't know how that ended up. It looks like they are only used on the 747s. It would be awesome to see them at major airports in the states and on every plane.


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User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 14741 times:

DEN tried them for a while as well until one collapsed and damaged the wing of a UA A320.

User currently offlineblue100 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14638 times:

I just flew with KL through AMS for the first time last month. My flight left from the F Pier and I noticed these jetbridges in place. However, it was not used for boarding our 777. Out of curiosity, does anyone know how often these secondary jetbridges are used at AMS and why some flights use them and others do not?

User currently offlineAWACSooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1912 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14618 times:

WN had them in AUS for awhile...I remember using them early last decade.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14451 times:

How do they deplane the AS combi planes with the cargo in front and pax in back? Do they use this concept or just a stair truck?


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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3666 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14417 times:

Quoting blue100 (Reply 3):
However, it was not used for boarding our 777.
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):

How do they deplane the AS combi planes with the cargo in front and pax in back?

The times I have transited through AMS, I have only seen the second bridge used on full-pax KL 744 a handful of times. Other planes such as the 772 and the Combis did not have the tail jetway used.



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User currently offlinerikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1645 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 14166 times:

YYC (Calgary, Alberta, Canada) had a Dual jetbridge on their D concourse. I am not sure if it is still in use though...

Here is an image:

http://tinyurl.com/97on5do



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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 786 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 14135 times:

During the time MNL was still served by KLM's 77Ws, the back jet bridge was used for deplaning upon arrival in AMS. The plane was indeed that full.

User currently offlineairbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4269 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 13681 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 1):
It looks like they are only used on the 747s.
Quoting blue100 (Reply 3):
However, it was not used for boarding our 777. Out of curiosity, does anyone know how often these secondary jetbridges are used at AMS and why some flights use them and others do not?
Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 6):
The times I have transited through AMS, I have only seen the second bridge used on full-pax KL 744 a handful of times. Other planes such as the 772 and the Combis did not have the tail jetway used.

It's decision by the airline to use them. A factor can be the amount of passengers or the expected time needed to complete boarding on a specific flight.
The days that JL was flying to AMS, the so called 'overwing jetbridge' was used on their flight to board economy class, where the normal bridge was used to board premium class passengers via the L1 doors.

The bridge is also used on B772/B77W aircraft, definitely. But KLM seems not to do so that often. JL did, for example, and I guess BR also on their B77W flights to BKK/TPE.



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User currently offlineRJLover From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 577 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 13591 times:

Quoting rikkus67 (Reply 7):
YYC (Calgary, Alberta, Canada) had a Dual jetbridge on their D concourse. I am not sure if it is still in use though...

Here is an image:

While I can't say for sure whether WS has dual jetways in YYC (I don't recall seeing any though), wasn't that picture taken in YVR?



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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12825 times:

They used to have them at the old IAB in JFK if memory services me correctly!


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User currently offlineyeelep From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12756 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
How do they deplane the AS combi planes with the cargo in front and pax in back? Do they use this concept or just a stair truck?

Stair truck.


User currently offlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 969 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12685 times:

ALB still has a duel boarding bridge and it's used almost every time that gate is used. WN tried them in several stations until one collapsed on a wing.


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User currently offlinekrisyyz From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12456 times:

Quoting blue100 (Reply 3):
Out of curiosity, does anyone know how often these secondary jetbridges are used at AMS and why some flights use them and others do not?
Quoting airbuseric (Reply 9):
It's decision by the airline to use them. A factor can be the amount of passengers or the expected time needed to complete boarding on a specific flight.
The days that JL was flying to AMS, the so called 'overwing jetbridge' was used on their flight to board economy class, where the normal bridge was used to board premium class passengers via the L1 doors.

The bridge is also used on B772/B77W aircraft, definitely. But KLM seems not to do so that often. JL did, for example, and I guess BR also on their B77W flights to BKK/TPE.

I flew on a KL B74M out of AMS in April and the overwing jetbridge was used. Out flight was completely full so that may have been a factor as well. I've flown out of AMS on KL heavies a number of times and my most recent flight was the first time I got use the over-wing bridge.

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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2442 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12456 times:

I've been fascinated with this design as well. I would love to see an updated version of this that would be adaptable to not only all wide bodies, but some narrow bodies as well. The other upgrade would be all glass so that passengers could experience looking at the wing as they walk over them.


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User currently onlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2036 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12209 times:

It would seem that if one of those collapses that it would rip off the wing instead of merely damaging it!   


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User currently offlineairbuster From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11037 times:

I have personally worked at the bridge connection department at KLM and can tell you the following. They are used on all 747s (combi and full pax), MD11 and 77W. The 200 I believe doesn't allow for this as door 23 is too close to the wing and 24 is too far.

It helps boarding and especially disembarking a lot. The bridges have a sensor under them to detect the distance to the wing and shut down automatically if you get too close. They have to be manually brought into place with a joystick as with other bridges.

The view from the bridge over the whole aircraft is great, I'm sure some talented photographers could make some amazing shots from there.

I believe they were made by a Dutch company but have no details of this. They are pretty old though.

Rgds

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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1922 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9040 times:

Quoting airbuster (Reply 18):
I believe they were made by a Dutch company but have no details of this. They are pretty old though.

I think they were made by Avio Diepen, a Dutch company. In 2007 the airport did an experiment with a glass jetbridge, but although passengers liked them, the airport didn't implement them.

Cheers!   



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User currently offlinethijs1984 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8362 times:

I've pictures of these airbridges "serving" the A380 during a test flight into AMS as well, one of the lower deck and one for the upper deck.

can't find a picture so quickly


User currently offlineirregking From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6991 times:

Can they be used only on the 747?

Cause I can't find a pic where for example a 777 has the 2nd arm of a pier-bridge attached to doors 3L (772) or 4L (773)



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User currently offlineMark2fly1034 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6743 times:

Where is the picture of the MD-11 with this. I really like that one but can never find it.

User currently offlineAviationfreak From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 40
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6661 times:

Quoting airbuster (Reply 17):
I have personally worked at the bridge connection department at KLM and can tell you the following. They are used on all 747s (combi and full pax), MD11 and 77W. The 200 I believe doesn't allow for this as door 23 is too close to the wing and 24 is too far.

OR sometimes used both bridges at G pier a few years ago. That was on a 763. a bit odd that the overwing can be used for a 763 but not for a 772.



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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5189 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6580 times:

In the pic it looks like both jetways are attached to a 330 and 77W.


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User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6544 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 2):
DEN tried them for a while as well until one collapsed and damaged the wing of a UA A320.

It was a 757. See Y Jet Bridge Collapses At DEN, Damages Plane (by JumboBumbo Mar 30 2007 in Civil Aviation) .

I miss those dual jet bridges. Riff Raff like me that has to sit in the back of a UA jet got to board easily and deboard quickly. Seems like WN might want to think about them with the 737-800.


25 boeingorbust : That picture is from YVR. YYC used to have a dual jetbridge but it was removed I think because it kept breaking and was then not utilized anymore. YV
26 aeroblogger : It can be used on the 773, but not the 772.
27 lweber557 : I thought by "unique" jetbridges he meant they don't have HSBC Bank billboards on them.
28 Max Q : The AMS set up is very cool and it seems like a good idea but I guess it has not been seen as practical anywhere else in the world. On a slightly diff
29 PC12Fan : Most I have seen for the A380 is two on the main desk and one on the upper deck. Don't think there are any proposed dual upper deck arrangements.
30 bluemeatball : I have a couple of snap shots of these overwing bridges being used on classic 747-206s back in December 77/Jan 78. These pictures were taken with an I
31 Post contains links peanuts : No problem. Search engine sucks. AMS Boarding Bridges (by macc May 16 2012 in Civil Aviation) and... Normal Airbridges Vs. Over-wing Airbridges (AMS)
32 United1P : Haha yes it does. Thanks a ton!
33 airbuseric : They can be used also on the 772. The airline I worked for did use them both, at the E-concourse. Not sure if there is a local differentiation betwee
34 Post contains links and images PW100 : Maybe you're looking for this one: View Large View MediumPhoto © Erwin van Dijck Unfortunately none of the bridges are actually "attached". Check ou
35 odwyerpw : ALB had them. They were nice when WN used them, but so often we would land and they would not make use of it.
36 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : You can see overwing bridges in use at JFK in this 1997 photo, connected to an OA 742, EI A333 and LH A343. View Large View MediumPhoto © Joe Pries
37 brj : Upon close inspection of the photo, I don't think they are actually attached to any of those aircraft. I am by far an expert, but the L3 and R3 exits
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