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Lansing (LAN) To Announce New Carrier Tues, Aug14?  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7191 posts, RR: 13
Posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6263 times:

Lansing Capitol Airport (LAN) in Michigan will announce a new carrier Aug14 at 10 am according to a press announcement. The Mayor and assorted gov't "royalty" will be on hand. Any ideas who? I'm assuming it is G4, but that is pure speculation. it could be F9, but there is much more money available for them to go to TOL, so that seems unlikely. B6, WN, and VX all seem unlikely. Could be a Canadian carrier, but seems unlikely with Windsor nearby.

[Edited 2012-08-13 07:52:56]

[Edited 2012-08-13 08:31:11]

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User currently offlineYNGguins From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 511 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5990 times:

It will be Allegiant... I'd imagine to SFB.


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User currently offlineflflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5960 times:

Didn't G4 use to run from LAN to SFB?

User currently offlinesdoyon From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5925 times:

It could be G4 returning (after a ~3/4 year hiatus), but my money is on NK.

User currently onlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9367 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5911 times:

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 3):

Allegiant does like to announce on Tuesdays.

Would be fun to see Frontier  



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User currently offlineYNGguins From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 511 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5866 times:

I may be wrong on it being Allegiant, but I believe they are opening up some new cities in the Great Lakes shortly, i.e. in the next few weeks.


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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7191 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5858 times:

Quoting sdoyon (Reply 3):
It could be G4 returning (after a ~3/4 year hiatus), but my money is on NK.

That would be odd given their presence 40 miles away...


User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2444 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5848 times:

Quoting flflyer (Reply 2):
Didn't G4 use to run from LAN to SFB?

Yes before moving their operation to GRR.

Quoting YNGguins (Reply 1):
It will be Allegiant... I'd imagine to SFB.

Doubtful G4 would return to LAN with GRR only 60 miles down the road. My guess is LAN will get some sort of seasonal scheduled charter to Florida similar to the old Direct Air operation other cities had. Vision Air is one that comes to mind.

[Edited 2012-08-13 09:29:41]


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User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5567 times:

I wonder if it is F9. They seem to be thinking outside the box a bit lately; and the news article says "new," which to me discounts G4 as they have been in Lansing before.

I do wonder if it might be something like Eagle to New York. Outside of DC, NYC is one of the top destinations requested.

Will be fun to see

Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 7):
Vision Air is one that comes to mind.

I hope not, LAN has not had good luck with such operations. AirAzul and JetAmerica are the two that come to mind. I doubt that if it was such an operation, that the mayor of the city of Lansing would attend.



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User currently onlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9367 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5552 times:

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 8):

I can see it being Frontier.
Sun Country is flying in the winter months, on Saturdays nonstop to Orlando with a few other scattered dates here and there.
Frontier announcing Sun/Thu or Mon/Fri service wouldn't be surprise me.



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User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5495 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 9):
Sun Country is flying in the winter months, on Saturdays nonstop to Orlando with a few other scattered dates here and there.
Frontier announcing Sun/Thu or Mon/Fri service wouldn't be surprise me.

They also fly daily to Washington, D.C. and MSP.


My wild, out of left field guess would maybe be B6. It will probably never happen, but they would probably do fairly well with airfare prices and stimulate demand to the East Coast. One can always hope.  



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User currently onlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9367 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5481 times:

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 10):
They also fly daily to Washington, D.C. and MSP.

Well yeah, there's that, too, but ho hum  



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7191 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5360 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 9):
Frontier announcing Sun/Thu or Mon/Fri service wouldn't be surprise me.

I'd think they'd do TOL and collect the $3 million or so in incentives. LAN would only offer a fraction of that.

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 10):
My wild, out of left field guess would maybe be B6.

When is the last time they added a station with the population/traffic size of LAN in the USA? Never?


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25260 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5317 times:
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Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 8):
I wonder if it is F9. They seem to be thinking outside the box a bit lately; and the news article says "new," which to me discounts G4 as they have been in Lansing before.

Could be. I believe the CEO has told the staff to look for "more service announcements" later this week.

I'm hoping for off-the-wall stuff - I'd love to see Frontier pick up JetBlue's dropped BTV-MCO - but LAN is possible, I guess.

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User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5264 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 12):
When is the last time they added a station with the population/traffic size of LAN in the USA? Never?

You are correct, which is why I don't think it will be; but B6 doesn't have much presence in the midwest outside of ORD, and there would be no direct competitors with LAN-NYC.

I think the more realistic would be F9



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User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7191 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5064 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 13):
I'm hoping for off-the-wall stuff - I'd love to see Frontier pick up JetBlue's dropped BTV-MCO - but LAN is possible, I guess.

If they enter LAN I'm hoping it is to MCO. That's the smarter choice.

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 14):
You are correct, which is why I don't think it will be;

It would be a disaster.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25260 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5014 times:
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Quoting enilria (Reply 15):
If they enter LAN I'm hoping it is to MCO. That's the smarter choice.
IF it is Frontier, I assumed it would be MCO even with Sun Country on the route. LAN-DEN is possible, I suppose, but it didn't jump to my mind with GRR just down the road. I dunno. Maybe that would work - it isn't a long drive.

Frontier is giving no alert about this on its Facebook page, so I guess it could as easily be Allegiant or Spirit. Or Vision Air.  

mariner

[Edited 2012-08-13 18:14:26]


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User currently offlineROSWELL41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 781 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4979 times:

My bet is F9. They seem to be seeking out every subsidy and tour operator who will profitably employ their services.

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25260 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4950 times:
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Quoting ROSWELL41 (Reply 17):
My bet is F9. They seem to be seeking out every subsidy and tour operator who will profitably employ their services.

A lot of 'em are doing it these days.

Delta's GSO-JFK is getting the same subsidy as Frontier's GSO-MCO and Southwest (Airtran) is doing a big bunch of work for Apple Vacations this winter - AUS, DTW, MKE, CMH, BWI, etc.

mariner

[Edited 2012-08-13 18:23:35]


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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4891 times:

Based on the time of the year (August) of this announcement, it is almost certainly a carrier headed to Florida / Fun & Sun destination, with the announcement of new service starting this fall/winter.

User currently onlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4401 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4883 times:
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Quoting flflyer (Reply 2):
Didn't G4 use to run from LAN to SFB?
Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 7):
Yes before moving their operation to GRR.

LAN was originally opened with service to LAS in summer of 2003, followed by SFB in May of 2005, just to add to the history of Allegiant in Michigan. It was one of their longest routes at the time IIRC.

SInce RST also is having an announcement at 10am tomorrow, it's either:

G4 returning to both airports
F9 announcing RST & LAN (more likely IMO).



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4865 times:

Quoting iowaman (Reply 20):
SInce RST also is having an announcement at 10am tomorrow, it's either:

G4 returning to both airports
F9 announcing RST & LAN (more likely IMO).

Yeah, I just saw the RST announcement thread, so I think you may be on to something.

If its F9, I really wonder how they are going to make it work in the dead months out of the year.
If they do a RST & LAN, my guess is both are less-than-daily.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4822 times:

Does anyone know how well suncountry does from LAN to DCA and MSP??? T100 load factors.

User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4683 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 22):
Does anyone know how well suncountry does from LAN to DCA and MSP??? T100 load factors.

I was actually looking at some data from the airport, and it seemed like it was in the mid-high 70's to DCA at least. I think MSP would have higher LF if it offered better connections to the West Coast. I was looking at SEA the other day, and while it offers so-so connects to SEA, it only offered connections back to LAN like twice a week.


I don't think it will be G4. They usually make an annoucement via facebook to look for a new city, and allow people to guess; which I haven't seen yet.

If I had to guess, it will be F9 with 2-3 to DEN, and it might be the other 2-3 would be RST.

The other off chance would be NK, although they are at DTW, they could make 1-2 Florida routes work, most likely without hurting SY because the majority of SY's network out of LAN (minus DCA and MSP) work primarily through Apple Vacations.

I noticed that it is "routes" in the announcement, which makes me think it will be more than 1.



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User currently offlineROSWELL41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 781 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4517 times:

It won't be NK in LAN or RST. They have already announced numerous routes starting as late as next summer. On their earnings call, the VP of Marketing stated that they don't have much going into 2013 that hasn't already been announced.

25 smoot4208 : LAN-SFB is now bookable on G4's website. Service starts 11/1 and is twice weekly Sunday/Thursday
26 PSU.DTW.SCE : Yep, today's announcement if for: G4: LAN-SFB RST-IWA[Edited 2012-08-14 04:32:09]
27 Post contains links JetBlueGuy2006 : Is anyone else not impressed as much as I am? While I am always glad to see new service; the artilce mentions waived landing fees and 75,000 worth of
28 YNGguins : Maybe Allegiant leaving Saginaw had something to do with... GRR will be interesting to watch in the months ahead with Allegiant.
29 tjwgrr : I'm surprised and wonder how this will affect G4 GRR-SFB service? For now, it looks like G4 will maintain 2x weekly SFB service from GRR, but I'm not
30 bobloblaw : People are asking how this will impact GRR-SFB? Don't forget that WN is dropping service to Floridia from GRR so the overall impact is negligible.
31 tjwgrr : Huh? FL has been running MCO and TPA this summer. Granted, there is a late summer / early fall hiatus, but GRR-MCO returns in October, TPA, and RSW r
32 Post contains links KarlB737 : Courtesy: Lansing State Journal Allegiant Air's Return To Lansing Ups Competition, Might Lead To Lower Airfares "Lum said it’s likely Allegiant retu
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