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Australian Aviation Thread # 63  
User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 682 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 27361 times:

Welcome to the Australian Aviation Thread # 63. In the previous thread, the following points were discussed/raised:

* Qantas has quietly dropped its once-weekly 737-800 service from Sydney to Newman
* Hawaiian Airlines announces Honolulu - Brisbane services commencing November 2012
* Qatar Airways Perth inaugural flight touches down
* QantasLink opens a new state-of-the-art departure lounge at Brisbane Airport
* Qantas confirms extra services to Manila and Santiago over the Christmas period
* Qatar Airways possibly planning an alliance with Qantas
* Emirates announces flights to Adelaide commencing November 2012
* Virgin Australia places order for 23 737MAX
* Future Qantas International network
* Air Niugini confirms it will fly its new 737 to Sydney and Brisbane
* Qantas to install new pivotal bins on its 737 aircraft
* Qantas to deploy iPads to its pilots
* Qantas announces new closed charter services to Christmas Creek in Western Australia
* QantasLink announces extra Q400 flights from Melbourne, Tasmania and Canberra
* Perth Airport terminal construction
* Singapore Airlines confirms it will introduce a second A380 on MEL services later in 2012
* Qantas unveils its new marketing campaign - you're the reason we fly
* Qantas' operations to Santiago
* Air India reportedly puts forward RFPs for a range of services in MEL and SYD
* Virgin Australia's coast-to-coast product
* John Borghetti's performance as Virgin Australia CEO
* Diversions at various Airports due to the usual winter fog
* Qantas management
* Malaysia Airlines announces it will introduce the A380 to Melbourne on its KUL services in 2013
* Qantas announces a return to Gold Coast, with thrice daily 73H services commencing 28OCT12
* Etihad Airways reportedly set to announce an increase in Brisbane services to daily in 2013
* Brisbane Airport growth for 2011-2012 financial year

Australian Aviation Thread # 62

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User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 682 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 27386 times:

Virgin Australia will drop its thrice weekly service from Brisbane to Hamilton in New Zealand effective 27OCT12. The Airline has cited poor loads for the move (hardly a surprise given Hamilton is a little over 100km from Auckland Airport). Virgin Australia dropped its nonstop Sydney - Hamilton services back in 2010.

User currently offlineJulian773 From Australia, joined Aug 2009, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 27150 times:

Heard Go Cat 8172, Tiger 320 out of ML on ML centre before. After looking it up on flightaware saw its going to Changi via Darwin.
Anyone know why its going over there?

Cheers


User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 26702 times:

I know it's a little early, but how is the SYD-DFW going daily doing loadings and revenue wise so far?

User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 26673 times:

Virgin have announced BNE-PER flights going to 19 a week up from 16.Weekdays will be 3 flights in each direction.Extra days are Tuesday,Wednesday and Thursdays.

Also from next month Brisbane's cross runway will be closed for 20 weeks as works need to be carried out to make it into a new taxiway for the new runway 01L/19R.Work on clearing for the NPR will also start in September.

BNE is experiencing record aircraft movements with over 18,600 movements in July.Weekdays are now between 630-680 a day whilst weekends are a lot quieter around 440 and 490 respectively.



tourismman
User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 26654 times:

EY daily 332 BNE-SIN-AUH from FEB 2013.

CZ daily BNE from NOV 2012:
4x PEK-CAN-BNE-CAN-PEK + 3x CAN-BNE-CNS-CAN
BNE-CNS-CAN will be an evening departure


User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 26651 times:

EY daily 332 BNE-SIN-AUH from FEB 2013.

CZ daily BNE from NOV 2012:
4x PEK-CAN-BNE-CAN-PEK + 3x CAN-BNE-CNS-CAN
BNE-CNS-CAN will be an evening departure op by 332. PEK-CAN-BNE currently operated by 333.


User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 25981 times:

Looks like in addition to the planned QF B763 upgrade, 16 of the original B73Hs will be upgraded:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/nat...again/story-fndo317g-1226453285938

Anyone have any more details?

Seems strange to only upgrade 16 of the "older" B73Hs, also no mention of adding seat back IFE to match the newer B73H fleet?

Strange.....

Cheers


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 25706 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 7):
Looks like in addition to the planned QF B763 upgrade, 16 of the original B73Hs will be upgraded:

I would assume the whole domestic fleet; 767, 73H and A330s will get the new carpets, seat covers, bulkheads etc. Except the 734s that should be leaving very soon. Hopefully we will see some photos next Thursday, perhaps even a glimpse at the longer term plans for the A330s.

I would have thought the 16 73H mentioned her would be getting IFE plus the bigger overhead bins. How many 73Hs does QF have with and without PTVs excluding the Jetconnect ones?

Also a nice bit of an upgrade: QF will be offering free wifi in their five biggest domestic terminals:

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-of...pper&utm_campaign=home-flipper

Will be interesting to see the second phase of their marketing program- 91 reasons to fly with us. The above article mentions a few double ups... awkward and poor marketing.
http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airl...:youre-the-reason-we-fly-2:lang:en


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 25659 times:

Virgin's first ATR-72-600 has landed in BNE with a 2nd one only a month away.This will give them 8 ATR'S.

Expect more routes to be announced shortly within QLD.



tourismman
User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3020 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 25642 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 7):
Seems strange to only upgrade 16 of the "older" B73Hs, also no mention of adding seat back IFE to match the newer B73H fleet?

These are probably the original batch taken over from American and delivered back in 2002/2003. Out of all of the 738's they would need a refresh and modernisation although it wouldn' surprise me to see it done to all of the Domestic 738's in due course.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 8):
767, 73H and A330s will get the new carpets, seat covers, bulkheads etc.

I wouldn't necessarily assume that. The domestic A330's are relatively new so it'd probably make more sense to do it to the A330's coming from Jetstar back to QF domestic first. I'd also assume this would only affect the few 767's that will remain in the domestic fleet in the long run. Makes no sense spending $$$'s on a plane you're going to retire in a couple of years. But I assume we'll know alot more Thursday at QF's profit announcement.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 8):
How many 73Hs does QF have with and without PTVs excluding the Jetconnect ones?

According to my count 15 of the domestic 738's have PTV's excluding Jetconnect. QF group have 60 total, including 8 at Jetconnect so 15 of 52 domestic birds have PTV's.


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 25606 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 10):
I wouldn't necessarily assume that. The domestic A330's are relatively new so it'd probably make more sense to do it to the A330's coming from Jetstar back to QF domestic first

This is true I had forgotten about them eventually returning to QF. The domestic CEO Lyle is also on record stating that the A330s would receive and upgraded and consistency product, maybe they will hold out for this.

I hope the herald sun got their descriptions wrong, charcoal seat covers in business is too similar to the black of Jetstar and Virgin, and is still very dull. I think the dark red looked great on the pictures I saw on the 738s.

Good to finally see some consistency flowing and upgrades flowing into the domestic fleet.


User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2969 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 25354 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 11):
I hope the herald sun got their descriptions wrong, charcoal seat covers in business is too similar to the black of Jetstar and Virgin, and is still very dull. I think the dark red looked great on the pictures I saw on the 738s.

It looks miserable IMO -- AusBT has a story with renderings here. Going for the charcoal will probably save them a lot of money though -- they will be the same as what is used on the JQ seats. They might even reuse the old covers as JQ A330's get revamped for QF domestic (presumably with the new red leather seats).

I don't like the armrests either, and those Y seats look suspiciously similar to VA/DJ...


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2957 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 25351 times:

http://melbourneairport.com.au/News-...tal-passenger-growth-in-july-.html

Melbourne Airport has recorded a 5 per cent increase in total passenger numbers during July compared to the same period last year.

Domestic passenger numbers increased by 6 per cent to 1,929,506 passengers, reflecting the recovery in domestic activity following the disruptions at this time last year.

Melbourne Airport CEO, Chris Woodruff, said “Despite the challenges over the last two years, domestic airlines are providing more capacity and services. The recent announcements by Virgin Australia and Qantas to increase their A330 services between Melbourne and Perth are a great example of this. And it’s great for Victorian travellers.”

International passengers increased by 1 per cent on the same period last year.

China continued to lead international passenger growth, with an 8 per cent increase. Other markets, such as India, Vietnam, Sri Lanka and New Zealand also grew.

“We are in ongoing discussions with our airline customers about introducing more direct services to Melbourne, to bring more international visitors to Melbourne and Australia, and to provide Victorians with more travelling options.”

“Just last week we welcomed an additional daily A380 service from Singapore Airlines and in October, Emirates will introduce their twentieth A380 into service here in Melbourne. Later in the year, Jetstar will also reintroduce direct services to Hawaii,” said Mr Woodruff.

"Our investment in terminals, aerobridges and baggage handling systems to serve the A380, is paying dividends with Melbourne becoming a leading A380 destination. We’ll continue to invest in infrastructure to provide more capacity for domestic and international airlines, including ongoing planning for our new Southern Precinct domestic terminal.”

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http://melbourneairport.com.au/News-...lias-additional-a330-services.html

Melbourne Airport has welcomed Virgin Australia’s introduction of additional A330 services between Melbourne and Perth.

Melbourne Airport CEO, Chris Woodruff said, “Melbourne Airport is delighted Virgin Australia is expanding its A330s services on its Melbourne-Perth route.”

“As one of Virgin Australia’s busiest domestic airports, the additional A330 services will increase Virgin’s capacity on the Melbourne-Perth route by nearly 30 per cent, strengthening Melbourne’s status as a premier destination for Australian travellers. It’s a great vote of confidence in the Melbourne market,” said Mr Woodruff.

Virgin Australia will commence operating additional A330s on its Melbourne-Perth service from 21 September, increasing to five daily A330 services.

“In partnership with Virgin Australia, we are continuing work on the refurbishment of our Terminal 3. Works are progressing well and we’ll continue to work with Virgin Australia to minimise disruptions to passengers. We look forward to unveiling the more contemporary and modern space for travelers at the end of the year,” said Mr Woodruff.


User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 25323 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 12):
It looks miserable IMO -- AusBT has a story with renderings here. Going for the charcoal will probably save them a lot of money though -- they will be the same as what is used on the JQ seats. They might even reuse the old covers as JQ A330's get revamped for QF domestic (presumably with the new red leather seats).

I don't like the armrests either, and those Y seats look suspiciously similar to VA/DJ...

Yeah not a fan, I don't understand why they didn't go for red leather, has that idea been shelved completly- Still a drab cabin, international red seat covers would have looked good. Nor am I fam of the print on the bulkheads and curtains...

The QF press release did states:

“We will also refresh the fleet’s cabin interiors with a contemporary design that includes leather seat covers in Business and a new look and feel in the Economy cabin. Other enhancements include new carpet, lighting, curtains and dividers. The first of 16 aircraft to be refreshed will enter into service in October.

In addition to new aircraft deliveries (one A330 and two B737-800s this year), the B767 refresh forms part of a wider strategic investment across the domestic customer experience including enhancements to ground operations and further upgrades to other domestic aircraft over the next few years."

I found that interesting, I thought all future A330s would be heading to SIN or JQ. How many domestic A332s does this bring them up to now? Wouldn't hurt if they did a swap to bring the JQ ones fitted with PTVs to QF and replace them with the non-PTV QF ones.


User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 25282 times:

Here is th official B767 upgrade press release:

http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airl...a-releases/aug-2012/5438/global/en

The original article about 16 B73Hs is incorrect it is actually 16 B763s that will be upgraded. 7 B763s (I assume the RR ones) will be retired meaning all remaining B763s (16) will be the upgraded ones.

The press release also states that other domestic aircraft will also be upgraded, I can only assume this means the older non PTV B73Hs?

Thanks

[Edited 2012-08-20 02:02:47]

[Edited 2012-08-20 02:03:28]

User currently offlineBrad330 From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 25251 times:

Will QF unify the configurations of the 763's?

User currently onlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2969 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 25204 times:

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 14):
Yeah not a fan, I don't understand why they didn't go for red leather, has that idea been shelved completly- Still a drab cabin, international red seat covers would have looked good. Nor am I fam of the print on the bulkheads and curtains...

I'm hoping that the approaching retirement of these planes means that they are doing this refresh on a very small budget, and that the longer term style will be different. They are looking for maximum impact, which this will probably achieve with the money they have to spend.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 14):
I found that interesting, I thought all future A330s would be heading to SIN or JQ. How many domestic A332s does this bring them up to now? Wouldn't hurt if they did a swap to bring the JQ ones fitted with PTVs to QF and replace them with the non-PTV QF ones.

There are four domestic A332's -- two with the older 2-2-2 J layout (with the same seats as the Jetconnect 737's), and two with the newer 2-3-2 J layout (same as the two most recent JQ planes). The Y seats are identical on both (some slight layout difference to cram more in the newer configuration), and all seats have PTV's.

It will be interesting to see how this last aircraft is configured -- the existing 2-3-2 layout (not popular), or the red leather seats in 2-2-2. This will be a better indication of what will happen down the track.


User currently offlinemaxter From Australia, joined May 2009, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 24931 times:

An interesting little tidbit, some new renders of the Virgin pier for PER...

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...ts-look-at-best-in-airport-design/

Apologies if it has already been discussed.



maxter
User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3020 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 24798 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 17):
I'm hoping that the approaching retirement of these planes means that they are doing this refresh on a very small budget, and that the longer term style will be different. They are looking for maximum impact, which this will probably achieve with the money they have to spend.

That's what I'm hoping as well! The Red Leather does look much better!

Quoting maxter (Reply 18):
An interesting little tidbit, some new renders of the Virgin pier for PER...

Interesting. It'll also be interesting to see what they do in the old Domestic terminal once Virgin has moved over into it's new home. Do they, and Qantas, spend more dollars on re-configuring it into one terminal or do they leave it as is and divide up the Qantas services somehow? More to the point, it'll be interesting to see what they do in relation to having 1 security checkpoint for all QF pax because that'll hamper connections unless they only have the one checkpoint.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 17):
or the red leather seats in 2-2-2. This will be a better indication of what will happen down the track.

Let us hope Red Leather 2-2-2. They'll need that config to remain competitve with VA anyway. On a side note, and correct me if I'm wrong, but on the one's that are 2-3-2, aren't the middle seats in the 3 blocked off so they're effectively 2-2-2 anyway?


User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 24636 times:

Quote:
Will QF unify the configurations of the 763's?

Yes... The remaining couple of B763s with the old intl style 25J cabins will be converted to the 30J domestic style config during the upgrade.

As HNL is the only B763 international route I'm guessing it will go A330 eventually, or JQ only route?

The 16 B763s getting upgraded are all the existing GE powered birds OGG thru OGV.

The 7 ex BA B763s will be retired.

Thanks


User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 24618 times:

A few other recent Qantas changes:

*Refreshed Qantas website has been launched at www.qantas.com.au

*Free Qantas domestic terminal wifi will be launched in SYD, MEL, BNE and PER from the end of the year:

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-offer-free-airport-wifi

*Qantas CityFlyer branding is being phased out by the end of the year. CityFlyer signage and branding is already being removed from domestic terminals, and CityFlyer references during announcements have ceased.

Cheers


User currently offlinecarryon From Australia, joined Aug 2012, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 23673 times:

Quoting maxter (Reply 18):
An interesting little tidbit, some new renders of the Virgin pier for PER...

It seems the current Gate 1 of the int terminal, apron position 51, will become Gate 51 and potentially an exclusively Emirates gate. The images are heavy with Emirates branding, and the gate is also situated next to the carrier's airport lounge.

Additional images here http://www.carry-on.com.au/airports/...h-airport-airport-design-unlikely/

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 19):
Do they, and Qantas, spend more dollars on re-configuring it into one terminal or do they leave it as is and divide up the Qantas services somehow?

Perhaps the current Terminal 3 will become a dedicated QantasLink terminal?

Virgin Australia will also replace EMB190 aircraft with ATR72s on the Sydney - Albury route.

[Edited 2012-08-26 05:47:55]

User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5461 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23592 times:

Quoting vhebb (Reply 21):
Qantas CityFlyer branding is being phased out by the end of the year. CityFlyer signage and branding is already being removed from domestic terminals, and CityFlyer references during announcements have ceased.

What are the implications for this with regards to product offering? Are they going to roll out the CityFlyer product network wide?

Quoting vhebb (Reply 20):
or JQ only route?

I hope not, at that point I'd think that QF management has finally lost it. I was under the impression that HNL was the unsung star of the international network (with JNB)



Worked Hard, Flew Right
User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 23581 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 23):

What are the implications for this with regards to product offering? Are they going to roll out the CityFlyer product network wide?

What is the distinctive product offering? News papers and free beer and wine week days after 4 (which is also offered on all QFLink service too).

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 23):

I hope not, at that point I'd think that QF management has finally lost it. I was under the impression that HNL was the unsung star of the international network (with JNB)

Hopefully with a new domestic A330 headed our way soon this will free some A332 international flying off domestic and it can be sent to HNL!


25 Ben175 : Apart from EK, the only other A380 operator I see in PER is SQ, which is still very unlikely seeing as it's only a 5 hour flight. So it makes sense t
26 Post contains images EK413 : and there is my proof finally released... EK413
27 Sydscott : Interestingly for what they've said will be replaced they're only spending the grand total of $20million. ($1.25 million per plane). I don't really s
28 tullamarine : SQ unlikely to serve PER with A380 unless they order more. They have just about received the final A380 ordered (19) and don't have much availability
29 qf002 : Yes they are (with tacky plastic contraptions that look like booster seats), though the width of the seats/aisles is narrower than in a true 2-2-2 co
30 Sydscott : Maybe they'll do a re-fit of these once the 787's start to arrive at JQ? It would make sense to gear up to do a refresh of all of the domestic A332's
31 thegeek : An A332 would be able to haul more freight on the route though, increasing revenue potential. I think this 767 product has to go from international a
32 Sydscott : By the looks of what is happening to the 767 fleet it will be gone with this refresh. Maybe they'll keep using the 767 but in a domestic configuratio
33 EK413 : There was word going around earlier in the year that the SYD - HNL service would be upgraded to a A332 but nothing has materialised... With all the I
34 tullamarine : Page 15 of Results announcement presentation does not mention HNL in future QF int"l routes making me think that HNL will be JQ only very soon.
35 zkokq : Interesting to see them taking on Hawaiian. I think QF would be stupid to drop this with HA using their 767's on the route.
36 EK413 : HA have upgraded to a A332 daily and will be introducing BNE services... If QF drop the HNL and route expect to go head to head with HA utilizing JQ
37 RyanairGuru : True, but we've got to remember that QF's prices to HNL are almost as high as to LAX. I don't have any scientific data to back that up, but choose an
38 Sydscott : It's an interesting quandry. Certainly it appears as if HNL has been in a holding pattern and it'll be interesting to see if JQ starting MEL-HNL take
39 ZuluAlpha : I have to agree, but the loads to HNL on QF are very high, I wouldn't be surprised if this is one of their more profitable routes (especially with th
40 RyanairGuru : That's good to hear. The other thing to keep in the back of your head is that (high cost) BA have a very successful Caribbean network. The stage leng
41 Ben175 : As a frequent traveller to HNL, I tried NZ out for the first time this year and I can officially say you'll never find me stepping on board a QF 767
42 Post contains links carryon : Virgin Australia has announced a full year tax profit of $22.8 million, and a full year underlying profit before tax of $82.5 million. The airline has
43 qf002 : This is true, but a daily JQ A332 has the same freight capacity (perhaps more, if less passenger bags are checked in) as a 4-5 weekly JQ A332 and 2-3
44 thegeek : FWIW, it doesn't look like there is much demand for air freight on SYD-HNL - May 2012 only had 316 tonnes, counting both directions. SYD-LAX had 2116
45 Sydscott : That's true. As I said above, I wonder if it makes more sense to re-configure the current A332's to have less premium seats, higher economy count for
46 EK413 : For the love of me I have never understood why QF continue to shoot them self in the foot by providing an outdated product on the SYD-HNL route while
47 qf002 : They were a bit unlucky with configuring the A332's, given that they settled on a pretty J-heavy config just before the economy went downhill. Perhap
48 Ben175 : Probably not, as it's almost impossible to get Frequent Flier seats on QF (or JQ for that matter!) I got seats PER-AKL-HNL using SQ KrisFlyer points
49 EK413 : & for how long will it continue...? Valid point... EK413
50 Post contains images RyanairGuru : Interesting... The only time I flew the flight I was heading to the mainland and there were no FF seats to LAX or SFO from either BNE, SYD or MEL. I
51 Sydscott : Dare I say it, that sort of config would also work well on say ADL-SIN if they wanted to make it daily. But I agree, not holding my breath. I've just
52 Ben175 : QF are very stingy with award seats, I try to travel with SQ/Star as much as possible now, and I have never had an issue getting the flights I want. E
53 Post contains images allrite : Maybe Qantas has enough paying passengers on those flights so as to leave little room for FF. Surely, as a general economic principle, this is a good
54 RyanairGuru : That's a good point, they are usually pretty good for domestic rewards. However, A lot of people use miles for international travel/vacation so sever
55 6thfreedom : Looks like a few very quiet days in the Australian thread, so I thought I'd give it a bump along... particularly in light of the much touted EK/QF ann
56 Post contains images Sydscott : Lets wait until the announcement, if it happens, before we continue the hypotheticals from the other thread in here. Some facts will make all the dif
57 vhebb : QantasLink To Upgrade B717 Interiors:
58 Flyingsottsman : I think it was ment to be November last year when the A330 was suposed to go onto the SYD HNL route .
59 qf002 : It's been 'planned' to go to A330 every summer season since I can remember! There was even rumours of QF putting a 744 on the route a few years ago (
60 tullamarine : I believe the recently announced refit on 767s will mean there will be no 767s remaining with Dreamtime seats. These will be replaced with the 6 acro
61 qf002 : There is a footnote on that slide that explains that the table "excludes services from Sydney to Honolulu". The table is designed to explain how QF i
62 EK413 : With the B787s scheduled to arrive at JQ next year (correct me if I'm wrong) I believe the retirement of B763 fleet will commence... The ex-BA would
63 Post contains links carryon : That's correct, but given JQ growth ambitions, it doesn't provide the airline with much room to grow if the 787s replace A330s 1-to-1. Perhaps in rea
64 EK413 : Perhaps your right and with the arrival of the B787 @ JQ even I believe they will return a hand full & bet the 1st 4 x frames to be returned woul
65 smi0006 : EK and QF have announced they will match services to who ever has the higher standard. An example is QF will begin to offer 'eligible' first and busin
66 kiwiandrew : Unless QF share yield information with their new partner which leads them to decide that premium economy would be a big money earner.
67 EK413 : Talk about a negative response and the more I have a think about it I know why your not interested... I'll predict the flights will become a lunchtim
68 Post contains links carryon : The aircraft would require a full interior refurb. Likely JQ's latest A330s would be returned to QF. These are already fitted with Panasonic IFE and
69 A36001 : Hi Everyone, First time poster and all.... so apologies if this has been asked before, but I have been wondering why Qantas and Cathay Pacific don't g
70 zkokq : I am guessing Jetstar Hong Kong might have something to do with it
71 smi0006 : I'm sorry you lost me... what do you mean? I am excited by the whole agreement. I just find the increase in point to point Asian flying for QF the mo
72 EK413 : My wrong disregard I read your post again and it's error from my part so you have a right to be confused! What are the chances of the international A
73 qf002 : Probably because they overlap a lot -- in the same way that TG and SQ doesn't get along in *. QF probably thinks CX is being reckless in their expans
74 carryon : At the end of the day, alliance members who's networks overlap will always have issues, as qf002 said Thai and Singapore Airlines. Carriers that once
75 9MMPD : From what I thought it first started when QF used to run the golden triangle route from HKG to BKK and SIN in the late 80s with 767s. From then the r
76 Post contains images A36001 : Thanks for the info regarding CX and QF's non-relationship. I wonder how deep it goes? Is it ground staff flicking rubber bands over the check in desk
77 Post contains links Andrensn : QF launching PER-AKL? + New Qantas chauffeur service Source http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...tas-touts-benefits-of-partnership/
78 Ben175 : Now that's something I did not see coming! Apparently this service will connect with the EK service arriving at 5:25pm, so I guess it will depart aro
79 NZ107 : A333 would be far too big IMO. Capacity to PER has already increased and I'm not sure if doubling the capacity can be sustained; especially with what
80 EK413 : That makes 2 of us... Is this the return of mainline QF across the Tasman... To go head to head with NZ the product would need to match or be better
81 9MMPD : I saw the artile in today's West Australian Newspaper about QF possibly starting PER-AKL but I was under the impression that it would be on EK metal o
82 TN486 : I believe you are correct, there was a hell of a bun fight over that.
83 NZ107 : They'd have to give up one of their other flights as they have maxed out their trans tasman rights.
84 Sydscott : If we're playing Crystal balls, then QF have plenty of room to move once JQ 787's start arriving. 4 of 11 JQ A332's have lighter floors so will hit d
85 allrite : Out of curiosity, does anyone know if the 747s on the SYD-NRT run are likely to upgraded to the A380 interiors by mid October?
86 RyanairGuru : Unlikely, but not completely impossible. From what I understand the upgraded interiors are being prioritised for Americas flying: QF7/8, QF15/16, QF1
87 Post contains images Sydscott : And BNE-SIN. Thought once the EK deal kicks in, that 744 will no doubt be free..............
88 EK413 : I know the question has probably been raised once before but would it be possible to upgrade the lighter floors to have consistency across the A332 f
89 Post contains images qf002 : AJ has said that the entire 767 fleet will be retired by the end of 2015, and they have reaffirmed the whole 'widebody shuffle' strategy recently on
90 Sydscott : Again, I'm not so sure we have all the detail. While the strategy presentations etc are show JQ A332's coming back to QF mainline once 787's arrive,
91 RyanairGuru : I agree, I've always thought that there was something not quite right with that plan. I'm not necessarily saying that there is a conspiracy, but I al
92 Sydscott : Agreed. By my calculation, there are 7 QF 767-338ER's that were delivered after 1996 so by 2016 will be less than 20 years old. That's not too bad fo
93 Post contains links qf002 : I'm going by what AJ said less than three weeks ago at his results presentation. Perhaps we could see something different happen, but I doubt that th
94 Flyingsottsman : I dont know why they were not doing this flight years ago. Why would an A330 be to big for a PER-AKL service concidering NZ uses a 777 into PER now.
95 NZ107 : If you put my whole paragraph into context instead of cutting out one sentence, you'll see that I mention the fact that capacity will be basically do
96 Post contains links and images EK413 : Been browsing the database hoping there was a snap shot of the 2 x Khalitta Air B742F which visited SYD this month... Anyone able to shed light as why
97 Sydscott : I know the speech you are referring to and while it is definite, I think that Alan Joyce had to keep to the script until the EK deal was announced. N
98 mariner : Sure - the deal could have fallen through. mariner
99 Post contains links allrite : Qantas has announced direct flights between Sydney and Gladstone using Q400 aircraft, along with: QantasLink also announced increased capacity across
100 RyanairGuru : ROK maybe be a bigger city but GLT is the centre of Qld's LNG industry meaning that their is a lot of mining/resources related traffic. I wouldn't be
101 Sydscott : I've been thinking more about this and although I still mostly agree, if QF keeps going the way it is in terms of introducing more Q-400 services, mo
102 EK413 : It's been mentioned previously and without a doubt I bet EK had an influence in relation to QFs cancellation of the firm order for 35 B787s... I beli
103 Post contains images mariner : I'm not sure if I'm following your point, but I don't - not even fleet wise. I think the Emirates deal is a game changer. It seems to me that AJ is m
104 Post contains images RyanairGuru : We won't see 773s or 345s with QF, but that A330 rumour could have something to it. It would allow QF to get the capacity to get back on track, where
105 Sydscott : Of course, but then I don't think QF had a Plan B other than to keep on trucking and eventually tie in with MH or QR which would be inferior to the c
106 qf002 : QF has today announced that they are dropping F into JNB from October 1st. The route will revert to 744ER's fitted with the new A380 style seating. I
107 Post contains images NZ107 : And soon they can offload F capacity to EK!
108 Post contains images EK413 : I am well aware the B773 & A345 will not sport the QF color scheme... I was just using the aircraft as an example as to what EK have on offer if
109 Post contains images mariner : I wish. The A345 would be cheap to acquire, could easy make DFW-SYD and open up SYD-GIG. Oh, well, pipe dreams. mariner
110 vhebb : What other route will be dropped to allow this? Planned use for the 9 upgraded B744s was: BNE-LAX-BNE (2 aircraft) SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD (2 aircraft) SYD-L
111 Post contains links EK413 : I've been tracking today's QF1 SYD-SIN sector and noticed the flight has gone way off the flight path... Anyone able to shed any light as to why? Thun
112 smi0006 : With regard to JNB, this must signal then end of 744 first class service no? Only LHR and LAX will see F on the A380s. Must be significant cost saving
113 Airvan00 : Data error. Flight aware is notorious for that.[Edited 2012-09-12 02:40:45]
114 DavidByrne : They were, way way back, with a once-weekly 767, but it didn't last.
115 qf002 : Don't forget that QF127/8 offers First daily, and is operated thrice weekly by a 744. That's likely to end with the overhaul to SIN/HKG next April --
116 vaus77w : Given the QF 767s are being updated in the cabin, potentially to extend their in service life a few more years, what do you think about the possibilit
117 RyanairGuru : I think the 767s should have been fitted with winglets but it is probably too late for that now if they really are serious about 2015. Presuming that
118 airnewzealand : Does not operate daily with reconfigured aircraft. It also operates with 4-class cosmetic config. (Operates in conjunction with SYD-LAX-SYD (QF107/10
119 RyanairGuru : While that is correct at the moment, vhebb in #110 was referring to...
120 airnewzealand : My apologise, i should of looked closer. While this was the plan at the beginning of the reconfiguration, it never actually materialised and the plan
121 EK413 : Cheers... I found the diversion odd... With premium y/c being removed from key Asian routes HKG (except while operated by an A380), SIN, BKK, NRT can
122 Post contains links vhebb : QF execs have been in SIN this week talking up the new Qantas schedule as well as the importance of SIN to the Qantas network. Found this quote intere
123 Post contains links vhebb : QF execs have been in SIN this week talking up the new Qantas schedule as well as the importance of SIN to the Qantas network. Found this quote intere
124 6thfreedom : Of course SIN if important to QF. If they scaled back ops, it would leave Jetstar Asia exposed, and would also be a free kick to SQ. As flagged in oth
125 Post contains links Sydscott : Interesting news from the IASC today; http://www.businessday.com.au/busine...ed-for-takeoff-20120917-261nk.html http://www.iasc.gov.au/determination..
126 mariner : I found that a despressing read. The words "over regulation" kept frittering in the back of my mind. I couldn't work out if the IASC was proving its
127 qf002 : I was just thinking about what was happening with this while reading the other thread -- interesting news. Some very interesting bits of information
128 EK413 : Interesting news indeed... I guess the QF/EK tie up played a vital part of the decision by the IASC? I see steam blowing out of JBs ears at the momen
129 Sydscott : I've found this decision odd to say the least. All the same reasons which the IASC used to reject the proposal last year are still there. On the face
130 tayser : With Ballieu's trade mission to China, it's rumoured MEL will be first to get non-stop service to CTU or CKG. Guess we'll find out soon enough.
131 mariner : I guess my reaction to that is - tough. If a competitor wants to fly the route offering lower fares, great, burt we saw what happened with Virgin - i
132 RyanairGuru : I think the issue which IASC has considered is that there simply isn't any potential competition. I highly doubt that VA will be back (at least not u
133 Sydscott : I agree in principle however, this route is basically a cosy duopoly and aside from Virgin, there simply aren't any potential direct competitors. I s
134 mariner : Which may say a lot about the route - or the out-of-the-way geography. I dunno. Qantas dropped FRA. But yes, I doubt Qantas would give up JNB without
135 thegeek : I wasn't surprised. IIRC correctly it had been extended from ending Dec 2011 to Dec 2012 for all the same reasons presented in this decision. I guess
136 Post contains links Sydscott : I disagree. I think the reasons the commission presented last year in part 7 of this document still hold true. http://www.iasc.gov.au/determination..
137 thegeek : To clarify, I accidentally repeated the word "correctly" in reply 136. I wasn't making any statement of support of this move, or otherwise. I wonder i
138 Sydscott : I suspect it's a posture for this particular route application in order to secure it. The Commission is bound to go with what is submitted and told t
139 Flyingsottsman : What happened to the 744 that use to do the MEL Hong Kong flight that always flew at Midnight, QF have dropped that flight altogether now so where did
140 Flyingsottsman : Once again would love to see that, but VA could not make MEL JNB work and they dropped it so would it work for SAA? QF have never bothered with a MEL
141 ZuluAlpha : Maybe NZ ex PER?
142 thegeek : NZ are soon to have no quads, so would face the same problems as VA. Even from PER there's something of a deviation involved. I'd imagine NZ could get
143 sunrisevalley : NZ would be operating under NZ EDTO rules ( not CASA rules) at a current EDTO 240 min. for the 77W and probably to be at 360min in about a year. I be
144 thegeek : It's been posted on here (although I can't vouch for its veracity) that ops like that require the approval of both (or all involved) countries.
145 EK413 : I've been left somewhat baffled based on the ETOPS rulings of various countries... If the manufacture has met all certificate requirements why do such
146 Sydscott : If they were operating on PER-JNB with Australlian origin traffic, I'm sure NZ would be subject to CASA rules of some description. The trick for them
147 qf002 : Nup -- our CASA has to approve all ops in/out and won't recognise that level of ETOPS/EDTO. To be fair to CASA, Australia is a very unique situation.
148 gemuser : EK413 It is my understanding is that there are NO internationally accepted standards, agreed to within the ICAO process for ETOPS beyond 180 min, ther
149 EK413 : Thanks for the detailed responses... Would it be safe to say ETOPS regulations have played a key part of an airlines decision when purchasing either
150 qf002 : Perhaps for SA, but there are plenty of other reasons why they have A340's rather than going the 777 route. But LA is moving away from quads over the
151 Sydscott : From what I understand of LA's optimal flight path, their twin engine ops out of SCL to AKL won't need the same ETOPS that a QF flight from SYD does,
152 sunrisevalley : I have been told by an insider in a regulator in a respected jurisdiction that they would have nothing much to say on the EDTO standards of another r
153 Post contains links thegeek : http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=syd-scl...+136w-scl&MS=wls&DU=km&E=180&E=240 The penalty for 240min ETOPS is (approx): SYD-SCL: 656km AKL
154 Post contains links tayser : MEL-CTU 3x weekly likely to be announced according to The Age: http://www.theage.com.au/business/ch...of-airline-pie-20120920-268l9.html
155 qf002 : Plus the NZ authorities don't seem to be quite as concerned as the Australian ones. I doubt that there is much that CASA can do to interfere in ops b
156 Post contains images ZuluAlpha : Would it also be possible, that QF, with it's fleet of quads, under the guise of 'safety' have kept on CASA's back to keep ETOPS as low as it does so
157 sunrisevalley : Who can stop them. If the Chilean regulator permits EDTO operations they should be good to go. After all it is only about a 14hr 30min flight A 788 w
158 RyanairGuru : I wish I could find a link, but the ETOPS180 applies to all flights originating or arriving in Australia. LA could not fly there 787s non-stop. Howeve
159 thegeek : I'm sure nothing like that would happen in Australia. /sarcasm
160 Post contains links tayser : And the announcement: http://melbourneairport.com.au/News-...sichuan-airlines-to-australia.html
161 IndianicWorld : ^^ Great news to have them join the MEL skies. With the current Vic tourism campaign commencing in China, I can only hope that the growth continues to
162 VH-BZF : Any information on when they might start flights to Melbourne? 2013 I'm guessing, but early or late next year or will they sneak in with a 2012 start
163 smi0006 : Not to mention hopefully a new MEL-SIN dedicated QF service! How many JQ A330s can we expect on the ground at one in MEL. PR is also removing it's tr
164 tullamarine : Aus BT is reporting that the plans to divide the airport into alliance based terminals (Rebuilt T2 and T3 for QF/Oneworld, T1 for VA, Star and everyon
165 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Hardly a shock. was always going to be hard to get that one through. Will be interesting to see what they do. AJ stated that it was the aim to have 2
166 qf002 : It was a nice idea, but the money can definitely be spent better doing other things. I'd like to see a more comprehensive redevelopment of the Intern
167 tullamarine : I assume you mean the parallel 3rd runway. This cannot be extended inland as there are already clearance issues regarding the Stamford Hotel. Any ext
168 thegeek : Yes, but I think it is a shame. The plan was quite sound. QF would have been the main beneficiary but seemed to bear a minor portion of the costs, wh
169 SCL767 : LAN does not plan on dropping AKL as a destination. AKL serves as a strategic transfer point for both pax and cargo transiting between South America
170 gemuser : Sunrisevalley reply 157 & 152 Hugh What you said in those two replies depends on ETOPS > 180 being an internationally reconigised standard via
171 sunrisevalley : Allan...And this is why there is a sort of a stand off. Without an ICAO standard it is up to the USA , the South American countries, Australia, N.Z.
172 sunrisevalley : In fact ICAO appear to be working at a revised version. Cut and paste the link below into a search engine where you should find a .doc file with the
173 Mikey86 : I am not sure if this has been mentioned but here: CX also adds Premium Economy with a roll-out progressively on BNE/CNS route as well as schedule cha
174 Post contains links EK413 : Am I reading this right... The plans to convert the International and Domestic terminals into Alliance terminals has been scrapped...? What a shame..
175 IndianicWorld : ^^ Yep it has been scrapped. Its back to the drawing board for SYD.
176 Mikey86 : This sucks, it would have been a good quick fix for pax to have the airlines shuffled around. Alot of people dread the Sydney change-over. If this dea
177 Post contains links smi0006 : On a slightly related note, the first images of Melbourne new Southern Precinct have been released by architecture group Hassel. The project is due to
178 EK413 : This news really sucks... Let's see what the airport corporation draw up... EK413
179 Flyingsottsman : Be good to see a Japanese airline into MEL, and you can bank on QF doing that. They always wait to see an airline start up a service and then when it
180 Flyingsottsman : I dont think we will see a second airport for SYD, to expensive, you have to fight the dumb arsed Greenies and eviromentleists look how long they wer
181 EK413 : The land surrounding Badgerys Creek was released for housing development therefore defeats the purpose on building a 2nd Sydney Airport... EK413
182 Post contains images Mikey86 : Yeah your probably right! The Greenies complain about everything ! It just sucks. SYD is one of the most daunting airports for clients, they don't li
183 mariner : Classic bureaucracy. If the problem is too hard - spend a few million on yet another study. Then you can be seen to be doing something when you're no
184 Post contains images Zkpilot : My thought is extend the main runway 15R/34L out into the harbour with the Northern end finishing short of 07/25. This would allow for development at
185 eaglefarm4 : Scoot diverted into BNE due fog at OOL today.This is Scoot's 1st visit to BNE.JQ 12 also diverted.
186 Post contains images Mikey86 : ZKPilot - I like the idea, it definitely does provide another option for the airport plus I am sure that the noise issue wouldnt be that big consider
187 Zkpilot : Agree about the noise.... by moving it further into the bay it adds just that little bit more altitude to flight paths (meaning less noise for those
188 tullamarine : Without the government agreeing to increase the political cap of 85 movements per hour(highly unlikely!!), there is no point increasing the physical
189 Post contains links QantasAirways : Qantas will end its codeshare agreement with EVA Air (Taiwan) from March 2013: http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-en...ghts-to-taipei-taiwan-with-eva-a
190 travelhound : I read an engineering report many years ago about the expansion of the Sydney Airport. The last extension of the runway into the harbour caused quite
191 EK413 : Sydney reminds of LHR... Slot constraints and no where to move as far as infrastructure is concerned... EK413
192 Post contains links and images qf002 : Cheers. I do agree that it's a virtually impossible proposal, but it could be a much cheaper alternative to building a brand new facility elsewhere.
193 smi0006 : Interesting, I wonder if BI or CI would consider MEL, I know that MEL-TPE traffic has been increasingly a significant percentage each year, although
194 EK413 : Let's not forget the QF/SA deal went south only to be overturned and renewed a further 2 years... I don't see any reason why the deal would be approv
195 EK413 : Sorry wasn't able to edit "wouldn't". EK413
196 Post contains links qf002 : TG will be bringing the A380 to SYD early next year. Story here though there aren't many details yet. Good news! I fear that the days of TG's A346's i
197 ZK-NBT : Umm, its been all 744s most of this year. Interesting re the A380s though, since the 744s are 11-12 weekly. Good news for SYD anyway, its becoming ra
198 EK413 : Good to see the TG A380 down under... Certainly didn't expect though considering TG only ordered 6... EK413
199 Post contains links smi0006 : An EK 773ER made a surprise visit to ADL the other day prior to the November start up. The aircraft then ferried across to MEL. Anyone know the reason
200 EK413 : Probably dropping off catering gear for the startup of flights.. I heard Alpha was building a new facility in ADL... EK413
201 Post contains images IndianicWorld : Facilities testing and training likely. Nice PR exercise too I guess Sure is. Both SYD and MEL have done quite well with A380 flights.
202 Ben175 : SYD and MEL's A380 network is really impressive. I'm praying to god we see an EK 380 in PER by the end of 2013!
203 qf002 : Oops, that's awkward! I didn't realise they hadn't gone back to the A346 after the summer, as they always used to... TG has announced that SYD servic
204 RyanairGuru : It was reported on another thread that this was due to 340 pilots being unhappy with their route slips. Apparently after loosing JFK and LAX they wer
205 EK413 : If that be the case how long until the B744 pilots complain about regional flying to SYDNEY... EK413
206 eaglefarm4 : Virgin today announced extra flights from BNE to EMD,ROK and NTL with a extra BNE-EMD weekday flight from 3 to 4 a day ,from BNE to NTL 2 TO 3 a day a
207 ZuluAlpha : And with all this extra capacity, especially into EMD, the flights are always very heavily booked
208 Post contains links tayser : http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/do...as-a-highflyer-20120928-26r2x.html see link for rest of the article.
209 Zkpilot : MEL definitely needs a rail link for its airport and not just a tram either! Apparently there is a pre-built underground station under the terminals
210 eaglefarm4 : Well while you are at it BNE has done all these things .They have a rail link,they recently rebuilt all the road network into the airport which is now
211 Post contains images JQflightie : That would be great to see.... however.... lets get a better airport to start with... can you imagine PER Int. coping with an A380, they bearly cope
212 smi0006 : Very true! Not to mention BNE seems to be able to expand it's terminal infrastructure more then MEL will be able to. MEL is constrained for internati
213 Post contains links and images QF175 : Australian Aviation Thread #64 is now open for business
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