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Why Did AF Take The Olympic Flag To GIG?  
User currently offlineYYZAMS From Canada, joined Feb 2011, 232 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 18006 times:

Why did AF take the Olympic flag to GIG?

Just curious (kind of eerie too) why not TAM?

33 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineYYZAMS From Canada, joined Feb 2011, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 18036 times:

Here is a link:

http://corporate.airfrance.com/en/pr...flag-flies-with-air-france-to-rio/


User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 17747 times:

Several guesses:

1 No Greek airline flies to Brazil.
2 Organisers of flying the flag, didn't ask a Greek airline if interested to fly flag from LON to RIO.
3 The founder of the modern Olympics was French.
4 The official language of the International Olympic Committee is French
5 BA and JJ were out-bidden by AF to fly the flag to GIG.



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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1066 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 17732 times:

Some brazilians are actually questioning that. It's true that JJ keeps a 3x weekly service to GIG but it only operates Sundays, Wednesdays and Fridays from LHR.

The information is that the Brazilian Olympic Comittee and Rio's local government consulted JJ first if they had interest in flying the flag to GIG nonstop from LHR. JJ wasn't interested in making a stop at GIG on their scheduled LHR-GRU flight (making it LHR-GIG-GRU for a day) monday night to carry the Olympic Flag and the 30 members of its entourage (with a large number of them flying business class).

JJ wasn't also interested in flying a special LHR-GIG charter using the 77W that arrives at LHR in the morning (and flying a reserve aircraft to LHR to cover the schedules LHR-GRU service).

I don't know why BA wasn't chosen given that they serve LHR-GIG nonstop on mondays. But it would be the same: Brazil's flag carrier wasn't interested in carrying home the Olympic flag. Kinda sad. And bad PR for TAM.

I heard from some cariocas that if the Olympics were at São Paulo, TAM would not only bring the flag but make an event of it.

On the other hand, AF scored a home-run. They had their brand exposed worldwide and associated with Rio and the Olympics. Oh and they got paid for that since plane tickets are not free and not particularly cheap.

[Edited 2012-08-14 09:56:53]

[Edited 2012-08-14 10:02:22]


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User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1041 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 17648 times:
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Ia Orana all !

Plenty of pictures of the crew and atheletes on board and a couple of pictures in Rio with the flag.

Happy Flying,

AF Cabin Crew



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User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3551 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 17522 times:
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Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Reply 4):
Plenty of pictures of the crew and atheletes on board and a couple of pictures in Rio with the flag.

Do you have a link?



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User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1041 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 17459 times:
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Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 5):
Do you have a link?
www.facebook.com/airfrance



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User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1066 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 17425 times:

For the record, the flag came onboard flight AF444 operated by F-GZCN.


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User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 17375 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 3):
It's true that JJ keeps a 3x weekly service to GIG but it only operates Sundays, Wednesdays and Fridays from LHR

JJ has 3 non-stops to GIG but the daily GRU service from LHR is also shown as extending to GIG. So they could have taken the flag home to Rio.


User currently offlineBthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 17287 times:

I'm surprised BA didn't do it as they are the official airline, sponsor or whatever. Maybe the Rio delegation didn't want BA involved as they've already had their turn?

User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1041 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 17287 times:
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Quoting jumpjets (Reply 8):
JJ has 3 non-stops to GIG but the daily GRU service from LHR is also shown as extending to GIG. So they could have taken the flag home to Rio.

Or they could have flown it from Paris to Rio after travelling on the EuroStar... Well, I am proud to see that we scored that though !



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User currently offlineslinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 17287 times:

Quoting YYZAMS (Thread starter):
Why did AF take the Olympic flag to GIG?

I wondered that too, great PR for AF, but not for Brazil to host the Olympics and not have a national carrier able to bring the flag to Rio.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 2):
1 No Greek airline flies to Brazil.

That's irrelevant, the flag is handed to the mayor of the next host city by the mayor of the city just hosting, so it's direct from London to Rio.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 2):
The official language of the International Olympic Committee is French

Untrue, it's French AND English.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 3):
I don't know why BA wasn't chosen given that they serve LHR-GIG nonstop on mondays.

Me too, and here it would have been received as a nice gesture. Mind you, it's no wonder there are no pictures of the flag from London to Paris ...
 


User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1066 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 17248 times:

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 8):
JJ has 3 non-stops to GIG but the daily GRU service from LHR is also shown as extending to GIG. So they could have taken the flag home to Rio.

The nonstop doesn't operate on mondays ex-LHR. The onestop flight isn't actually flown all the way to Rio with the same plane. There is an aircraft change at GRU from the 77W to the 320.

It was important for the BOC and Rio's government that the flag's first stop in Brazil was in Rio, home of the 2016 games. That's why they consulted JJ to fly LHR-GIG-GRU instead of LHR-GRU for a single time.

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 9):
I'm surprised BA didn't do it as they are the official airline, sponsor or whatever. Maybe the Rio delegation didn't want BA involved as they've already had their turn?

I guess BA was probably outbidded by AF. Since their first choice (JJ) didn't take the mission they made a bid for the service.

[Edited 2012-08-14 10:47:46]


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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 17233 times:

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 8):
JJ has 3 non-stops to GIG but the daily GRU service from LHR is also shown as extending to GIG.

There's a change of gauge at GRU.

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 8):
So they could have taken the flag home to Rio.

Yes, but with a connection at GRU. That would have not been acceptable, since the flag would arrive on a A320.


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8974 posts, RR: 39
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 17204 times:

The picture of the mayor I've seen with the plane in the background is so chopped up that you can't tell which airline it is. So this doesn't seem like a big issue at all. . .

As for BA, remember AF has a stronger presence in GIG. . . although I am surprised as well they didn't choose a non-stop flight.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 3):
I heard from some cariocas that if the Olympics were at São Paulo, TAM would not only bring the flag but make an event of it.

GRU has daily flights, so it wouldn't be much of a stretch. I am sure if GIG had daily flights they would have brought the flag and thrown a party.



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User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 16815 times:

Quoting YYZAMS (Thread starter):

That was my same thought too!



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User currently onlinekann123air From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 999 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12818 times:

Quoting YYZAMS (Thread starter):
(kind of eerie too

Exactly what I thought when I first heard AF was carrying it. Also is an A330.....like #447.



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User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 858 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11002 times:

...and it was on A332 too!!

The nerve  



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User currently offlinexdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9189 times:

Quoting solnabo (Reply 17):

...NO A380  
Insensitive French.... But on the other hand fiscally responsible with ETS.


User currently onlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8643 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8650 times:

My guess is that AF is the prefered carrier of the IOC.

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 11):
Untrue, it's French AND English.

And the language of the host country.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 12):
The nonstop doesn't operate on mondays ex-LHR. The onestop flight isn't actually flown all the way to Rio with the same plane. There is an aircraft change at GRU from the 77W to the 320.

Irrelevant since there is no AF non-stop between England and GIG either so the flag did no go non-stop to GIG anyway.


User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3736 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8250 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 19):
Irrelevant since there is no AF non-stop between England and GIG either so the flag did no go non-stop to GIG anyway.

It's relevant because stopping anywhere in Brazil was the problem.


User currently offlinegrimey From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7909 times:

What I find a bit funny if it did LHR-CDG-GIG is that Paris was competing for the 2012 Olympics back in 2005 and lost out to London.

It is really odd that JJ didn't do a one off stop at GIG, it would have only been an extra hour onto the flight and a good few of the pax on that flight would have been part of the Olympic delegates.


User currently offlinebongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7594 times:

I guess there is no reason and no difference if the flag flew AF or TAM or whatever other airline. It is a globalised World and maybe they chose AF for no particular reason.


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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7737 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7276 times:

Quoting AF086 (Reply 12):
I guess BA was probably outbidded by AF.

Quite likely.

The inflation figures (the Consumer Price Index or CPI for the UK for July) showed an unexpected increase of 0.2 per cent over the previous month. According to the UK Office for National Statistics:

"The biggest factor in the increase in CPI was air fare prices, which rose 21.7% on the month."

Whether or not this more than signidficant increase was related in any way to London 2012 is probably a matter for conjecture. But I think it is likely to have played a significant part.

When the Brazilian delegation were looking for a good deal for their return trip to London BA and indeed TAM would likely be unwilling to compete with the likes of AF with the sort of yields they were obtainig on day-to-day tichet sales for direct flights.

The Brazilian delegation was, according to the link to the AF web site, quite big:

"On this occasion, members of the Brazilian olympic delegation are also flying London-Paris-Rio with Air France today. 35 passengers including the mayor of Rio, the president of the Brazilian Olympic Committee, athletes, journalists and the governor of the state of Rio are bringing back the olympic flag with them."

So whether or not to offer a significant discount to a party of dignatories many of whom were likekly to demand to travel in a premium class seat would likely be a no brainer for BA yield management.


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3975 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7071 times:

Am I the only person linking this to the sad tragedy of AF447?

Reversal of brand association for AF's flights to/from Rio?

Any thoughts?


25 YYZAMS : Yes, that is why I said it was "kinda eerie" in the opening question. Great minds!
26 jfk777 : SAD the Olympic flag could not fly nonstop from LHR to Rio. AF not only scored " we flew the flag to RIO" but how lacking BA's flights to Brazil are
27 Bill142 : Should have just over nighted it on UPS.
28 LipeGIG : I think this is kind of situation in which also the size of the business/first cabin make the difference. The end of the Olympics is for sure a busy m
29 jumpjets : BA reputedly paid £40m for Olympic sponsorship; covered the costs of flying the Olympic flame from Greece and its journeys to non-mainland UK; were
30 jfk777 : Why would it be "last minute" for the Rio delegation to get seats ? Ever since the 2016 Olympics were given to Rio it should have been known to The B
31 Kaiarahi : Not true. Section 23.1 of the Olympic Charter sets only French and English as official languages. Why last minute? They've had 3 years to book the fl
32 n729pa : TAM really missed a trick there didn't they, Varig wouldn't have made that mistake I don't think. That's what I was thinking, given the amount of Olym
33 Post contains links VV701 : I suspect that this is correct. However if the Brazilian delegation did not book their flight 3 years or perhaps even 3 months ago would we expect ei
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