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Rumour.. BA Announce CMB And A New Long Haul Route  
User currently offlineFCAA321 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2011, 22 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 15952 times:

BA are today due to announce a return to CMB and an additional long haul route.

CMB to be a 3 weekly tag on to the current MLE from LGW.

My speculations were Kuala Lumpur, Ghangzhou, Harare or Santiago. Many of you had come up with Portland, Fort Lauderdale and Durban..

Any more guesses what it could be?

Thanks

[Edited 2012-08-15 12:05:45 by srbmod]

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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 15507 times:

I'll go BOG or CCS. Maybe SCL.


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8761 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 15452 times:
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Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
I'll go BOG or CCS. Maybe SCL.

International traffic continues to increase at both BOG and SCL. LON-BOG would be a good addition since it would deter LAN's rival from launching BOG-LGW. But I certainly would not rule out SCL. Maybe this will become a regular site at SCL:


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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3536 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 15415 times:

Can't see Fort Lauderdale being high on the list, BA already have a good service to Miami which is only 25 miles away. Harare is a big no whilst Mugabe is still drawing breath. . My money is on a China route.

User currently offlineseansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 15403 times:

I would like to see Guangzhou but with China Southern increasing to daily that looks unlikely. Could BA follow KLM's lead and launch a smaller Chinese city? Kunming has a brand new airport and no Europe service and is quite a big city. Chengdu, Chongqing, Shenyang and Hangzhou all have links to Europe. Sadly I think BA will act conservatively on this and probably add another US city.

User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 15340 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 3):
Can't see Fort Lauderdale being high on the list, BA already have a good service to Miami which is only 25 miles away. Harare is a big no whilst Mugabe is still drawing breath. . My money is on a China route.

I could totally see a CAN. Perhaps a KIX? Dont see KUL now that MH have joined OneWorld and are sending their A380s LHR-KUL.

Other ideas -

HKT from LGW. (772ER?)
TPE from LHR again? (772ER?)
MNL from LHR non-stop? Long shot this one.(744?)
PDX from LHR i could certainly see. (763ER?)
KHI from LHR (772ER?)
DAC from LHR (772ER?)
DUR from LGW (772ER)
NBO from LGW (772ER)



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently onlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2546 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 15252 times:

We'll see. Maybe CCS and BOG.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 2):
LON-BOG would be a good addition since it would deter LAN's rival from launching BOG-LGW

Do you realise the tosh that you write? It would be a good addition *beacuse* it would deter another airline from launching a route? How petty of you.

I would say welcome to BA in BOG, CCS or SCL or all of them. It would be good for trade, culture and tourism. Not because it will prevent plans by another airline that apparently upsets your beloved LAN. Grow up once and for all.


User currently offlineseansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 15226 times:

Quoting summa767 (Reply 6):
Do you realise the tosh that you write? It would be a good addition *beacuse* it would deter another airline from launching a route? How petty of you.

I would say welcome to BA in BOG, CCS or SCL or all of them. It would be good for trade, culture and tourism. Not because it will prevent plans by another airline that apparently upsets your beloved LAN. Grow up once and for all.

I'm sorry but there really is no need for that. Lots of airlines launch services to stop other carriers. Look at AA's service to STN which ended soon after Maxjet and Eos went. If Avianca launch BOG-LHR it would also take connecting traffic that may have used BA or partner carriers therefore it can be in BA's interest to keep the airline off the route.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8761 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15210 times:
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Quoting summa767 (Reply 6):
Do you realise the tosh that you write? It would be a good addition *beacuse* it would deter another airline from launching a route? How petty of you.

Indeed, AV applies for frequencies that they'll never use and could use a good reality check. If BA were to launch LHR-BOG, AV wouldn't be able to enter the BOG-LON market. Also, it might be a way of cementing a new relationship with LAN. Similar to LH launching FRA-BOG to cement a relationship with AV.


User currently onlinesumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2546 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15059 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 8):
Indeed, AV applies for frequencies that they'll never use and could use a good reality check. If BA were to launch LHR-BOG, AV wouldn't be able to enter the BOG-LON market

I don't really care who serves the route, and on the contrary would welcome anybody who does, and in particular BA.
But let us not get ahead of ourselves. There are many candidates as new BA destinations.

However, if BA does enter the LON-BOG route, it would not prevent AV from launching its own. You may not be aware, but a few weeks ago they topped up their A330 orders, so 9 new ones are coming, on top of the 787s and A350s.So growth will continue, and LHR continues to be a candidate pending slot acquisition (they actually rejected LGW, which I think it's a shame as it's a great airport)
Whilst BA would be able to connect BOG to Europe and beyond via LON. AV would still have a market where they would easily connect London with Colombia, Venezuela, Panama, Costa Rica, Ecuador and Peru which are not served directly from the UK.
So I am afraid that BA launching routes might not have your desired result, though it would sure have benefits in trade, tourism and culture.


User currently onlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1668 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14374 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 5):
NBO from LGW (772ER)

Already serve from LHR and now VS is cancelling the filgts and KQ reducing freqs....

I think Manila could be a good destination, also Karachi and DAC, but the problem in the last 2 is filling the front of the plane.

-TPE could be good but i don´t see it happening.

-KUL, no way.... A380 on the way with MH.


User currently onlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2488 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14316 times:

When is this announcement gonna happen?


Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
User currently offlinegoldcrest From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14307 times:

Now confirmed on BA Intranet.

CMB to be served 3 times weekly, via Male.


User currently offlinejonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14324 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 3):

At around the time a flight from LHR to FLL would arrive at FLL it is peak time, it would be really congested and I'm pretty sure Spirit would be using all the FIS gates. If British Airways were to come to FLL, I'd imagine it being once the runway extension is done and once T-4 is expanded. So I think it's safe to say FLL isn't really high on their list.


User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 793 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 14075 times:

According to route news on ba.com:

'From 31 March 2012, we'll be flying three times a week from London Gatwick to Colombo, Sri Lanka via Male in the Maldive Islands.'

It seems they have been flying there for nearly five months already and nobody has noticed... wonder where they have been hiding the plane and its passengers.  

Its unusual for BA to introduce a new tag on, when this was first suggested a few weeks back I was half expecting it to be a triangular route.


User currently offlineFCAA321 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2011, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 14077 times:

British Airways Resumes Sri Lanka Service from late-March 2013 - Now confirmed!

British Airways from 31MAR13 is resuming service to Sri Lanka, after 15 years of service suspension. The oneWorld member will extend existing 3 weekly London Gatwick – MAle service to Colombo, although it does not have local traffic rights on Male – Colombo sector.

Schedule:

BA2043 LGW+1935 – 0950+1MLE1050+1 – 1245+1CMB 777 357
BA2042 CMB1415 – 1515MLE1630 – 2305

[Edited 2012-08-15 07:18:24]

User currently onlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2488 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13997 times:

Quoting FCAA321 (Reply 15):
British Airways from 31MAR13 is resuming service to Sri Lanka, after 15 years of service suspension. The oneWorld member will extend existing 3 weekly London Gatwick – MAle service to Colombo, although it does not have local traffic rights on Male – Colombo sector.

Schedule:

BA2043 LGW+1935 – 0950+1MLE1050+1 – 1245+1CMB 777 357
BA2042 CMB1415 – 1515MLE1630 – 2305

Well, they should get local rights for CMB to MLE as any other airline is doing that. And a sigh of relief for the crews that will still enjoy their Maldives stop overs and this time a little bit longer  



Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
User currently onlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2488 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13969 times:

Unfortunately, there won't be any domestic connections if the flight lands at 2305.


Next flights : BRU-ZRH-CAI (LX)/ BRU-FCO-TLV (AZ)
User currently offlinevectismanpaul From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13490 times:

I wonder if the route to Colombo does well it may see some non-stop services eventually. Maybe alternate LGW/MLE/CMB AND LGW/CMB/MLE routings. I think BA are targeting the up market tourist sector with these flights initially. Apparently several long haul holiday companies have their offices near Gatwick. As for connecting flights there are many holiday makers who will happily spend night in a hotel after such along flight and fly to say Man/Ed/Jersey/Glas the next day. Connections outwards will be fine.

As to the other route possibilities from Gatwick, the Seychelles would plug another gap. This route always did well under BCAL and then BA. There is also no competition from Air Seychelles. Get in their before Emirates takes it all via Dubai!!
Some people have also suggested FLL is too near Miami/Tampa etc. I do not think that matters if you are targeting the higher yielding tourist sector or allow for connections from FLL onwards.
Maybe as a couple of 777s are being replaced at LHR by the new mid haul
A321 product there could be scope to see 777 airframes at Gatwick upped to 11 sometime during 2013.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5367 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13214 times:

Quoting FCAA321 (Thread starter):
BA are today due to announce a return to CMB and an additional long haul route.

So any idea about the second part of your OP statement? Are you still standing by your prediction?

bb


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7401 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13026 times:

Quoting vectismanpaul (Reply 18):
I think BA are targeting the up market tourist sector with these flights initially. Apparently several long haul holiday companies have their offices near Gatwick.

For BA the most important of these companies is British Airways Holidays Ltd that are located at Astral Towers just off London Road, Crawley, little more than a stone's throw from LGW.

I think that the success of this extension from MLE to CMB will primarily depend on British Airways Holidays success, particularly with regard to creating a good balance in the ratio of holidays sold in the Maldives and in Sri Lanka.


User currently onlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5176 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12844 times:

Interesting move... Did MLE have poor loads? Seems strange to add a tag onto a flight without even increasing the frequency??

User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12727 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 10):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 5):
NBO from LGW (772ER)

Already serve from LHR and now VS is cancelling the filgts and KQ reducing freqs....

I know that but as a bucket and space charter-style arrangement with a load of seats sold off to the holiday companies i think it could work. Leave the expensive yields for LHR.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineACES320 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12638 times:

Quoting seansasLCY

"I'm sorry but there really is no need for that. Lots of airlines launch services to stop other carriers."

You have to look at this comment with some retrospective. If you check previous forums where these members have
had the chance to have civilized debates about AV there is always something going wrong at some point. I am talking about hardline LA fans on the one hand and the rest of the world on the other.

Quoting SLC767

"Indeed, AV applies for frequencies that they'll never use and could use a good reality check. "

Same way some carriers enter markets to deter other carriers from getting access (check example above AA at STN), some other carriers apply for frequencies tactically to protect their networks and market share. See BA stronghold at LHR as an example, or some odd cases where BD operated "ghost flights" just to comply the usage quota and avoid being deprived from their valuable allocated slots.

Now everybody please calm down and stop taking things too personally.



LHR, BHX, EDI, BKK, USM, CNX, PHU, GRU,PEI, BOG, CTG, CPH, AMS, DOH, DXB, FRA, MAD and always PEI
User currently offlineACES320 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12554 times:

Now, are BA finally bringing planes back from the dessert or the downgauging of CAI and TLV to the former BD 321 is providing some slack and flexibility in the Long-haul fleet to allow them to make these route announcements?


LHR, BHX, EDI, BKK, USM, CNX, PHU, GRU,PEI, BOG, CTG, CPH, AMS, DOH, DXB, FRA, MAD and always PEI
25 TC957 : My thoughts for the extra new destination is somewhere in China - Guangzhou, Shenyang or Kunming possibilities, Willie Walsh has often stated how he'd
26 rutankrd : They have just two in the desert. If they were returned to service it's more because of the A388 delay not because of route expansion. So far the onl
27 vectismanpaul : To my knowledge BA now only have 3 Boeing 747 aircraft in storage VCW(Hope I got the initials correct!!) I personally do not believe they will be comi
28 Post contains links ACES320 : The IAG annual report on BA's fleet shows 52 planes on service at 31 December 2011. My understanding is that the fleet peaked at 57 and technically th
29 Post contains links vectismanpaul : According to http://www.jethros.org.uk/ three Boeing 747s remain in storage in the desert. Two 747s were scrapped at Cardiff in 2011. That leaves the
30 rutankrd : 2 no of those 57 are in bits (Scrapped) at Cardiff, another also at Cardiff in long term storage , 2 no the desert returnable and one G-BNLH in need
31 GSTBA : Heard today from a reliable source that BA will announce SCL from LHR in the next week or two. The flight is likely to operate somewhere between 4 &a
32 Post contains images SANFan : Let me make sure I've got this straight. Now we wait to see if YOUR "relaible source" is any more so than the OP's... bb
33 FCAA321 : Actually my source came true and I am sure that SCL will be true as I had heard this too, unfortunately the planned announcement didn't happen today
34 runway23 : I have a hard time believing they would do this through GRU rather than GIG or EZE. GIG or EZE seem like the easy solution, upgauge & retime to a
35 FlyCaledonian : Surely GIG would be a logical choice, as they could go daily with a 744 routed LHR-GIG-SCL and adjust the timings to make it a redeye both ways. Guess
36 Post contains links pesit4a : On a related point, BA have announced a doubling of capacity on the LHR-DUB route from this winter schedule: http://dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-...A_
37 Talaier : SCL makes sense since it sticks with IAG's strategy of reinforcing Latin America as a strategic area. However, I personally would've gone for an Asia
38 SANFan : Exactly why I very rarely pay any attention to "rumor"-threads from unknown posters that make statements such as (I shoud have had a clue when the fi
39 Post contains images edina : I'm right with you there
40 VV701 : Wasn't it the other way round? I thought G-RAES was at CWL between 7 November and 13 January and that it was the first of the original 772s fitted wi
41 FCAA321 : Actually SANFan My first thread was deleted because I didn't have any evidence to back my comments up. I had to re post with *rumour* until it was con
42 summa767 : Same here. GRU should have enough demand of its own, and in any case, getting a new slot for the SCL tag could be very tricky at such a congested air
43 CHRISBA777ER : SCL - 744 non-stop or via somewhere else? Can the 772ER do LHR non-stop from SCL what with the height and everything?
44 TC957 : AF does nonstop SCL - CDG with their 772ER's so I guess another few miles more up to LHR should be no problem.
45 SCL767 : Absolutely, AF deploys the B77W on the CDG-SCL route regularly.
46 Post contains links SCL767 : IAG's CEO recently commented that some of the new slots at LHR acquired via IAG's takeover of BMI will be used for new direct long-haul services from
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