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Interjet Seeks To Add CHI, IAH, LAS, And SNA  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24347 posts, RR: 47
Posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10758 times:

Mexican LCC Interjet applied with the DOT for authorization to commence service on 6 US-Mexico City pairs.

Mexico City, Mexico - Santa Ana, California;
Guadalajara, Mexico - Santa Ana, California;
San Jose del Cabo, Mexico - Santa Ana, California;
Toluca, Mexico - Las Vegas, Nevada;
Toluca, Mexico - Houston, Texas; and
Toluca, Mexico - Chicago, Illinois.

Carrier states it seeks to commence service as early as September.


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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10746 times:

Toluca-Houston YESSSS. UA just cut it and I much prefer Toluca for my travel needs...and it is all about me  


Ciao Windjet mi manchi
User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6581 posts, RR: 32
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10609 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Mexican LCC Interjet applied with the DOT for authorization to commence service on 6 US-Mexico City pairs.

Mexico City, Mexico - Santa Ana, California;
Guadalajara, Mexico - Santa Ana, California;
San Jose del Cabo, Mexico - Santa Ana, California;

Does SNA have enough available slots for Interjet to add these flights?


User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5066 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10553 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 1):
Toluca-Houston YESSSS. UA just cut it and I much prefer Toluca for my travel needs...and it is all about me

A 320 for an ERJ...I can live with that. This is exactly what will happen at IAH - at least within reason. If UA leaves any profitable void...another carrier will step in.



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User currently offlinetimberwolf24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 574 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10524 times:

Did they state ORD or MDW for Chicago service?


Living in LA, ORD/MDW will always be home!
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24347 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10500 times:

For the 2012 schedule year, SNA has 3 slots set aside along with an incentive program for Mexico services. Airtran/SWA picked up 2 which would leave a single one for Interjet.

2013 slot allocation is not out yet, however the county has 5 slots held back which it can juggle around with and designate for additional international services if it desires. Also by policy a new-entrant carrier would received access up to 3 daily slots if they desired.



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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10464 times:
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At the rate that Interjet and Volaris are growing (or seek to growth), there is even less reason to resusitate Mexicana

User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10432 times:
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Why would they pick TLC over MEX for these new routes? Wouldn't they be able to offer more connections at MEX?


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User currently offlinetotesen From Mexico, joined Dec 2008, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10408 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 8):
Why would they pick TLC over MEX for these new routes? Wouldn't they be able to offer more connections at MEX?

Well i undersstand Chicago and Las Vegas, since México´s biliteral agreement only allows 2 airlines per country to a destination, and Chicago is already operated by AeroMexico and Volaris, and the same case with Vegas.

But AeroMexico Connect is the only Mexican carrier operating the route to Houston. so why from TLC???



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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10372 times:

Quoting totesen (Reply 9):
But AeroMexico Connect is the only Mexican carrier operating the route to Houston. so why from TLC???

Maybe due to scheduling? The same aircraft will be used on TLC-IAH/CHI/LAS?

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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10373 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Mexican LCC Interjet applied with the DOT for authorization to commence service on 6 US-Mexico City pairs.
Mexico City, Mexico - Santa Ana, California;
Guadalajara, Mexico - Santa Ana, California;
San Jose del Cabo, Mexico - Santa Ana, California;
Toluca, Mexico - Las Vegas, Nevada;
Toluca, Mexico - Houston, Texas; and
Toluca, Mexico - Chicago, Illinois.
Carrier states it seeks to commence service as early as September

Very interesting. Especially regarding SNA-routes, I guess we don't know what kind of frequencies are being planned? I also note that 4O is jumping in to both business and leisure markets from John Wayne!

bb


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10324 times:

Quoting totesen (Reply 9):
But AeroMexico Connect is the only Mexican carrier operating the route to Houston. so why from TLC???

Maybe they see oppurtunity filling the "void" left when UNITED express leaves on Sept 5?



Ciao Windjet mi manchi
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7525 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10234 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Mexico City, Mexico - Santa Ana, California;
Guadalajara, Mexico - Santa Ana, California;
San Jose del Cabo, Mexico - Santa Ana, California;
Toluca, Mexico - Las Vegas, Nevada;
Toluca, Mexico - Houston, Texas; and
Toluca, Mexico - Chicago, Illinois.

I offer my non-expert analysis:
SJD-SNA should work wonders. I like this thinking outside the box. Good for Interjet!
The MEX/GDL services to SNA puzzle me a bit. Isn't SNA in the O.C., which is a rather affluent Cali county? Maybe I am wrong, but it does not seem to me there is a lot of ethnic traffic to be captured at SNA compared to LAX and ONT. Is there perhaps a charter/package contract to serve Mexicans going to Disney? Look forward to reading everyone's feedback.
TLC-IAH sounds good to me. TLC-LAS... not so much, although I guess good pricing can make it work beautifully. TLC-Chicago... I just don't know.

Quoting totesen (Reply 9):
Well i undersstand Chicago and Las Vegas, since México´s biliteral agreement only allows 2 airlines per country to a destination, and Chicago is already operated by AeroMexico and Volaris, and the same case with Vegas.

Yup, good point.

Quoting totesen (Reply 9):
But AeroMexico Connect is the only Mexican carrier operating the route to Houston. so why from TLC???

To offer quick commuting times from the Lomas-Santa Fe-Bosques-Interlomas corridor to TLC and back to business travelers and wealthy VFRs and shopping travelers? I think this is a good idea.



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User currently offlinetotesen From Mexico, joined Dec 2008, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10177 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
Very interesting. Especially regarding SNA-routes, I guess we don't know what kind of frequencies are being planned? I also note that 4O is jumping in to both business and leisure markets from John Wayne!

What i have heard is that Interjet wants the Los Angeles Market, and they will sell the flights to SNA as Los Angeles/Santa Barbara Airport. because of the bilateral they cant fly to LAX



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7525 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10133 times:

Quoting totesen (Reply 14):
Los Angeles/Santa Barbara Airport.

Santa Ana you mean. Santa Barbara is north of LA, Oxnard and Ventura. Santa Ana is south of LA, in the OC. The drive between Santa Ana and Santa Barbara could take up to 3 hours or longer.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24347 posts, RR: 47
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10033 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 13):
Isn't SNA in the O.C., which is a rather affluent Cali county?

Yes but there are some very large and virtually majority Hispanic communities in Orange County such as Anaheim, Santa Ana, Garden Grove.

When SNA launched its Mexico incentive program they estimated the airports catchment area generated over 860,000 annual trips to/from Mexico annually. Today bulk of that is served via LAX, or possibly SAN, ONT or if people drive to TIJ.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 13):
SJD-SNA should work wonders. I like this thinking outside the box. Good for Interjet!
The MEX/GDL services to SNA puzzle me

Keep in mind, SJD and MEX are served already by Southwest (Airtran).

GDL would be the only destination they could earn incentive money on at the moment.



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User currently offlinerojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2431 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9986 times:

Interjet just can't get things right... they almost abandoned TLC when they purchased JR's slots and took over some MX's slots in MEX and now they want to increase flights from TLC to USA (only way to bypass the bilateral between MEX and USA that restricts the number of carriers flying from MEX ).

And they want to give some competition to WN who is better known in the US market (there are more US passengers flying to cities in Mexico than Mexicans flying to cities in the US) .

Good luck to Interjet; it will need it if it really wants to fill those planes with high yields...


User currently offlineghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5199 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9969 times:

Shame LGB isn't international, it would make far more sense a MEX-LGB, GDL-LGB and SJD-LGB.

g77



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9913 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
Today bulk of that is served via LAX, or possibly SAN, ONT or if people drive to TIJ

   To me, the big question is, will those people that now drive down and cross the border for the cheaper flights from TIJ, or choose LAX because of the variety of fares and service, all of a sudden settle for the limited SNA offerings? (It's hard to say what the fares will be like from John Wayne; they are generally higher than surrounding airports but since 4O is a budget-oriented carrier, will they offer cheap enough fares?)

It seems to me that with the limited available slots for intl service (or any service for that matter) from SNA, this set of applications from Interjet will pretty much top off the potential there. Despite what the US-Mexico bilateral limitations allow, SNA will be quickly maxed out with Mexico service -- with one US carrier (FL/WN) and one Mexican one. They will both either make a bundle here, or it may not pan out as hoped.

I will be very curious to see how this whole dynamic of SoCal-Mexico air service unfolds in the next couple of years...

bb


User currently offlinerojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2431 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9821 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 19):
To me, the big question is, will those people that now drive down and cross the border for the cheaper flights from TIJ, or choose LAX because of the variety of fares and service, all of a sudden settle for the limited SNA offerings? (It's hard to say what the fares will be like from John Wayne; they are generally higher than surrounding airports but since 4O is a budget-oriented carrier, will they offer cheap enough fares?)

The fares are not the problem, the international taxes and the operating cost in the US vs TIJ are the problem. Taxes can be 20-30% of an airplane tickets and with higher operating costs, fares can't be lowered that much if they want to make some money...


User currently offlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3868 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9569 times:

Correct me if I am wrong, but I seem to recall seeing a number of these types of announcements from Mexican LCCs like Volaris and Interjet , Viva Aerobus even AM over the years here stating that they have "applied" for DOT approval. As I don't follow these threads that closely, I am curious if any in the past ever been approved and the routes even started?

That said, good luck Interjet, hope to see you in Houston soon.

[Edited 2012-08-15 16:56:16]

[Edited 2012-08-15 16:57:08]


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User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1228 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9515 times:

My apologies if this has been covered elsewhere but any thoughts or discussion on the use of the SSJ on any of these services? That would would be well worth a trip out west for a ride on one.

User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5229 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9490 times:

Quoting rojo (Reply 20):
The fares are not the problem, the international taxes and the operating cost in the US vs TIJ are the problem. Taxes can be 20-30% of an airplane tickets and with higher operating costs, fares can't be lowered that much if they want to make some money...

Of course. But how much CAN they lower the fares in order for the bottom line of the ticket price to be more competitive with the bottom line of an intra-Mexico ticket?

The point is that travelers can pay a lot less if they get to TIJ for a domestic Mexican flight. Will they continue to do that, or will they suck it up and pay more for the convenience of their local SoCal airport? (Believe me, down in San Diego we know this situation very well!   )

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 21):
As I don't follow these threads that closely I am curious if any in the past ever been approved and the routes even started?

Always the big question. There are lots of threads about the Mexico-US routes applied for, and there are also those talking about how applicationis have been withdrawn, or awards being ignored. Y4 recently applied for SMF-GDL (I beleive it was) and more recently backed out of the application. OTOH there is a thread that just started about DEN-MEX (applied for by Y4 a while ago) possibly being announced tomorrow. (BTW, almost all of the applications will be approved by both the US and Mexico as long as the maximum allowed number of cx for the route has not been reached.)

Certainly many of the applications are approved and started. Any US-Mexico routes being flown today are examples. However, AM was (is?) pretty well-known for applying for LOTS of routes and starting only some of them. IMHO, Volaris hasn't been as bad, and Interjet is really just getting started with major trans-border flying so we'll just have to see what there record is in a year or so.

bb


User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9440 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
For the 2012 schedule year, SNA has 3 slots set aside along with an incentive program for Mexico services. Airtran/SWA picked up 2 which would leave a single one for Interjet.

These are on FL metal for regulatory reasons, correct? Something about FL already flying international and WN not yet.


User currently offlinetotesen From Mexico, joined Dec 2008, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9429 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 19):
but since 4O is a budget-oriented carrier, will they offer cheap enough fares?)

Well Interjet is not really a Low Cost airline, their prices are not that low, and their service is not at all low cost, only 150 seats in one class a320´s and 2 25kg bags on International flights and one 25kg on domestic. Their service is more like a Premium economy or economy confort service than anything else, but their operation model is very similar to low cost in terms of tunraround time, employes payments, etc, etc...

Quoting SANFan (Reply 23):
Interjet is really just getting started with major trans-border flying

Interjet was very cautious with US service, they didn't want MX going back and taking all their routes resulting in a financial disaster for Interjet, Volaris in that scenario was more impulsive but also smarter, they won all the big California Hubs (San Francisco, LA, San Diego), as well as Vegas and Chicago, if Interjet hadnt gotten Miami and JFK Volaris would have ended with all of the busiest US-MEXICO routes in the market. and they just keep getting bigger and bigger. Volaris is still waiting for 44 A320 NEOS. And their PR told me / us ( @enel_aire ) that the NEO´s where not replacing the A320´s only the one´s leased from TACA, and the arab planes wich are not up to Volaris standarts. but ultimately we are talking about a 40+ aircraft growth in Volaris, 15 superjets for interjet aswell as a dozen Airbus, 100´s 737max, a dozen 787 and a dozen Embraer 190, and also another bunch of E170´s for Grupo AeroMexico.

SO the mexican Market it growing on never seen proportions, mainly because of the Lowcost Boom, and the demise of MXA. but also that this new airlines are betting on markets like Tijuana-acapulco,oaxaca,cancun etc. that AeroMexico and Mexicana where always too conservative to start.



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25 rojo : That was exactly my question... It is very difficult to make money in the Mexico - US market if you don't understand it and if potential customers do
26 jcwr56 : I believe CHI would be MDW. I don't see them doing ORD due to the cost.
27 Post contains images Mexicana757 : About time we see Interjet show some interest to fly to more destinations in the U.S. Don't know how well SNA is going to work for them. I'm sure the
28 Post contains images aviacsa55 : Finally! Interjet has a chance of flying to SNA now. It would be great to see airlines of Mexico fly here. To be honest, I was actually thinking about
29 totesen : And it is also very difficult since you have to know the airline and their website, Neither Interjet or Volaris appear on internet shopping sites lik
30 FedExFlyerPHL : That was my thought as well. Has it been certified by the FAA? I would love to see one in my home airport, SNA. Jeff
31 jcwr56 : Of course it would be nice, but as a LCC, I"m still thinking MDW since that's the perceived LCC airport.
32 LAXintl : There will be an Interjet A320 at SNA on September 4th for noise trials. If things go well the County is set to approve a $300,000 incentive package f
33 WROORD : You are wrong they want ORD and listed the service as starting on September 14, 2012 pending final government approvals.
34 airliner371 : I know the incentive program is for 3 new international destinations and this is the last available but where is InterJet getting the slots for the 3
35 Post contains images TWA772LR : Hopefully IAH will get the Superjet! Is it even FAA certified?
36 Post contains images wnflyguy : SNA airport kept a few slot/seats for new carriers wanting to add new international service. Only the GDL flight will get the $300,000. Rumor from fri
37 Mexicana757 : In their application Interjet did not state what airport in Chicago they want to fly. The airline can choose to fly to either MDW or ORD. The Septemb
38 airliner371 : Dang, I really want to see WN/FL in GDL! Do you know of any more Mexico (or any international) flying WN/FL is rumored at adding if any, Thanks!
39 bjorn14 : Has Mexico been upgraded to Cat. I by the FAA? Sorry I haven't been following that drama to closely.
40 Mexicana757 : Yes Mexico has been upgraded back to Cat I since December of 2010.
41 MaverickM11 : Which they'll probably blow through in the first month.
42 Post contains links LAXintl : Interjet noise qualification flight at SNA http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIJ5401 =
43 LAXintl : Following the noise test last week, the county is due to approve the operating lease between the Interjet and the airport. Interjet will be awarded to
44 airliner371 : Hmmm... no SJD. That leaves one monopoly route for WN/FL and one for InterJet. Pretty fair in my opinion. I bet we will see (if slots are approved) a
45 LAXintl : Operating agreements approved. Interjet also loaded the schedule. First flight October 11th.
46 Mexicana757 : And here is the schedule for interjet's SNA flights. 4O 2841 GDL 11:15am- 12:35pm SNA (Daily) 4O 2840 SNA 1:35pm- 6:35pm GDL (Daily) 4O 2940 MEX 7:45a
47 timberwolf24 : Any word on when Chicago may start?
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