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User currently offlineDID747 From France, joined Apr 2005, 400 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 11 months 16 hours ago) and read 21010 times:

Dear, can you please help me to recognize which airlines were the owners of these early 70s-80s B747?

Thank you very lmuch.

Best regards    

the first 3 photos are from the same airliner, then the others are showing each time a different airliner.


















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User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1252 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 16 hours ago) and read 20977 times:

Photo #4 looks like TW.

Photo #5 could be DL.

Photo's 1-3 look vaguely familiar but.....


User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9602 posts, RR: 69
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 16 hours ago) and read 20966 times:
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The green floor photo looks like the 747 prototype.

User currently onlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2113 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 16 hours ago) and read 20770 times:

The last photo looks like the aft economy seating of Braniff's 747. The second and third photo look like they belong to the same airline, just with updated seating in the second picture.

[Edited 2012-08-15 14:27:18]

User currently offlineLHRBFSTrident From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 655 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 20564 times:

I have seen the first 3 photos before but can't for the life of me remember the carrier: perhaps JAL in the first one (but I can't tell you why I think that!)

The lounge with the green carpet is interesting because I flew on a BA 747 in 1978 SFO-LHR that had the same lounge furniture (the alternating direction sofa in the centre is a very vivid memory because I slept on 1 during the overnight flight, aged 6) but I can't say if the colour scheme or the fabrics are BA for sure: perhaps same layout, different finishes in BA service?



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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1499 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 20416 times:

I agree--the gold cabin looks like the aft cabin of "Fat Albert." Each cabin had a name--"The green room", "the red room" and the "gold room." First class had blue seats but we were forbidden to call it "The Blue Room" because that is airline slang for lavatory. All of B zone and the upper deck were lounge areas with a stand up bar in the center forward bulkhead of the cabin. Working that position was a real deal because (unbeknownst to BI) we would discreetly display a tip cup. It paid for the first round of drinks in HNL. They would have skinned us slowly if they had known.

There was also a small TC lounge for a brief time in D zone just forward of door 4L.



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User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 20402 times:
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The second to last photo is a mock-up,
There are no oxygen drop-out panels, infact there are no sidewall panels at all - they look like singe-pieces whereas we all know airliner interiors are made of individual panels installed together... To say nothing of the furniture!

Even the earliest 747s had this sort of upper deck, which is nothing like the photo.

http://images60.fotki.com/v778/photos/2/211932/6090982/QANTAS747LOUNGE-vi.jpg

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User currently offlineghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 885 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 20387 times:
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The last one's color palette seems to go in-line with PSA's.

Off topic, somewhat, but why don't most airlines go with colored/textured sidewalls anymore?



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User currently onlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2113 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 20337 times:

Quoting ghifty (Reply 7):
Off topic, somewhat, but why don't most airlines go with colored/textured sidewalls anymore?

Cost and, lets be honest, if not tastefully done can look really gaudy/dated.


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6095 posts, RR: 31
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 20192 times:
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The first three photos are the First Class, early Business class and Economy class of a JAL 747, according to the book

"Boeing 747", by Hiroshi Seo, which I happen to have. The book was published in 1984.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24643 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 12 hours ago) and read 20054 times:

Quoting ghifty (Reply 7):
The last one's color palette seems to go in-line with PSA's.

But PSA didn't operate 747s, and their L-1011s were also a major mistake.

That also looks much like Wardair's interior with the colored wall panels (DC-10-30 below), but I'm quite sure that by the time Wardair put their first 747 into service (built for Braniff but not taken up), they were 10-abreast (3-4-3), not the early 9-abreast (3-4-2) economy configuration shown in that 747 photo.


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Quoting ghifty (Reply 7):
Off topic, somewhat, but why don't most airlines go with colored/textured sidewalls anymore?

With so many aircraft now leased, it's much easier to move the aircraft to a new operator when leases expire if the interior requires as few major changes as possible.


User currently offlineeta unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2068 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 19794 times:

3rd to last pic is a Boeing mock-up.

User currently offlinejetdudetim From United States of America, joined May 2009, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 7 hours ago) and read 19580 times:

I think the picture that Crosswind has is of the proposed Alaska Airlines UD.

User currently offlinevhqpa From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 1455 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 5 hours ago) and read 19001 times:

Quoting jetdudetim (Reply 12):

That's Qantas.

Captain Cook Lounge I believe it was called



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User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 5 hours ago) and read 18940 times:

I almost want to say the last one is National Airlines. The Sun King airline  
Orange and yellow was their colors. But I remember their DC10s having green seats as well. Orange, Yellow and Green.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 17323 times:

The last photo is, without a doubt, Braniff's orange room 747 cabin. I have a seat map somewhere... or you can head over to Braniffpages.com.

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10594 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 17167 times:

Quoting vhqpa (Reply 13):
That's Qantas.

Captain Cook Lounge I believe it was called

You can see a portrait of James Cook in the back of the cabin. Those wooden sailship-style railings are funny in a 747. And the table-stands are modeled after sailship masts, the tables itself showing old maps.


User currently offlineAerosol From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 2 hours ago) and read 16659 times:

It seems airlines were much more focussed on corporate identity and differentiation these days. It would be nice to have more marketing focussed airlines today...

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10594 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 2 hours ago) and read 16576 times:

Quoting Aerosol (Reply 17):

It seems airlines were much more focussed on corporate identity and differentiation these days. It would be nice to have more marketing focussed airlines today...

Absolutely. It was great back then. But the beancounters ruling everywhere now are an apparently irreversable pain in the a...


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8249 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 1 hour ago) and read 16007 times:
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The first photo with the blue sleeper seats is probably Pan AM.

User currently onlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3151 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 1 hour ago) and read 15901 times:

Photo 6.

(Fashion note to self)
I still have a tank top similar to that woman,remember to throw it out !!!



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User currently offlinextra1 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 111 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11303 times:

The 4th picture is the Aer Lingus 747 lounge (EI-ASJ) , circa 1975.

Here is a link for a brief video view of this lounge ( about 3.15 mins into this video)...and the general working interior of this vintage 747.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnzDFos6gR8


User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4926 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9349 times:

I think that #5 is AA.


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User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1252 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8682 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 22):
I think that #5 is AA.

I initially thought that this photo was TW but agree it could also be AA. The only issue I have with these two possibilities is the number of windows. This is clearly a 200 series or one of the fairly rare 100's with the extra windows. I can't think of any 200's that were operated by AA although TW did operate a few. The only carrier that I know for certain that had the extra windows on the 100's was UA and I'm about certain this isn't theirs. Not in their configuration anyway. There may well be others but I don't recall. With all of the varies leasing arrangements during this period I suppose there are any number of variables that would come into play.


User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 741 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8051 times:

Ahh, the days of 2-4-3 seating in the B747 and reasonable seat pitch!

User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7865 times:

Quoting Flaps (Reply 23):
The only carrier that I know for certain that had the extra windows on the 100's was UA and I'm about certain this isn't theirs.

Delta too had the extra windows on the top of their 100's.

FX1816


User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2838 posts, RR: 12
Reply 26, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7844 times:

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 2):
The green floor photo looks like the 747 prototype.

I was just in that plane last month. The full length couch at the back is more of a tan/brown in the prototype. But, that photo above isn't all that great, so it's hard to tell if it is or not. The carpet doesn't look the same though. Here's the prototype upstairs lounge:


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[Edited 2012-08-16 12:47:34]


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User currently onlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2113 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7490 times:

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 26):
I was just in that plane last month. The full length couch at the back is more of a tan/brown in the prototype. But, that photo above isn't all that great, so it's hard to tell if it is or not. The carpet doesn't look the same though. Here's the prototype upstairs lounge:

Looks roughly similar. I doubt the upholstery/carpeting is the same as it was 40 years ago, the carpet especially doesn't look that old.


User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1252 posts, RR: 4
Reply 28, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7184 times:

Quoting FX1816 (Reply 25):
Delta too had the extra windows on the top of their 100's.

You are correct. The 747-132 came in both versions.

ship 101 l/n 72 - 3 windows
ship 102 l/n 82 - 3 windows
ship 103 l/n 94 - 3 windows
ship 104 l/n 155 - 8 windows
ship 105 l/n 159 - 8 windows

Somewhere around here I have the data indicating at what line number the extra windows on the 100 became available.


User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2237 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6930 times:

A nice video here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pECyaYUUns&feature=related


User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2838 posts, RR: 12
Reply 30, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6563 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 27):
Looks roughly similar. I doubt the upholstery/carpeting is the same as it was 40 years ago, the carpet especially doesn't look that old.

I'm pretty sure that's the original interior. Given the state of the rest of the plane I don't think Boeing changed much, if anything after they finished flight testing that aircraft. It still has the ballast barrels in the main cabin area.



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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1499 posts, RR: 7
Reply 31, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6054 times:

Quoting FX1816 (Reply 25):
The only carrier that I know for certain that had the extra windows on the 100's was UA and I'm about certain this isn't theirs.

Northwest Orient had their original 747-100's rerofitted with the extra upper deck windows. The two former National aircraft that NW bought (N620US and N621US) were also retrofitted. If you look closely at photos of the early 74's at NW you can see where the metal window strip was changed. The other panels did not match.



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User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1924 posts, RR: 9
Reply 32, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5997 times:

Quoting eta unknown (Reply 11):
3rd to last pic is a Boeing mock-up.

I think 5,6 and 7 are mockups. Five might be a real airplane, but those table legs do not look attached. Sixes' galley and sidewall next to the door do not look like real aircraft. Seven was defined above.



[Edited 2012-08-17 07:53:23]


This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24643 posts, RR: 22
Reply 33, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5727 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 19):
The first photo with the blue sleeper seats is probably Pan Am.

No it's definitely not Pan Am. They didn't use that model of seat and the interior colors aren't Pan Am.


User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1924 posts, RR: 9
Reply 34, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5550 times:

It does look like JAL seats and wallpaper:


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[Edited 2012-08-17 19:52:39]


This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4926 posts, RR: 19
Reply 35, posted (1 year 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5303 times:

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 32):
Five might be a real airplane, but those table legs do not look attached

You're right! That silver table is on casters! Maybe it was a fold up table that could be stowed and taken out when needed? But then again you really wouldn't want it rolling about the cabin during flight.



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User currently offlineDID747 From France, joined Apr 2005, 400 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5134 times:

Dear all,

I thank you very much for your answers.

After verifying in my archives, book and elsewhere, you are right;

N°1, 2, 3 are Japan air Lines.
N°4 AER Lingus,
N°5 ??? at this time, I have no answer but may be Delta.
N°6, 7, I think it these are mock-up,
N°8 Braniff, it is sure.

N°5 is a mystery, I will continue my search...

Yhanks a lot regards DID747

   



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 37, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5058 times:

#5 is definitely not DL. DL's upper seating area was split, longitudally, with open seating on the right side and a private area (which could be booked as a whole) on the left side (as you faced the front).



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User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1924 posts, RR: 9
Reply 38, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5027 times:

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[Edited 2012-08-18 08:58:45]


This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
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