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Ethiopian Considering MAX Or NEO Order  
User currently offlineKDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3497 times:

I didnt see this topic anywhere, but if it is a duplicate please delete.

Looks like it's leaning to the MAX since they are a current 737 operator.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-considering-737-max-order-375531/

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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19708 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

Quoting KDAYflyer (Thread starter):
Looks like it's leaning to the MAX since they are a current 737 operator.

It seems like it. Of course they have to check out the competition and they will take an Airbus offer if it's good enough, but I agree that this is Boeing's order to lose.


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2715 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3398 times:

Quote:
"Since we are committed to the 737, the Max makes more sense"

How clever to say something like this during the procurement process.  


User currently offlineKDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

Makes me wonder why they even asked Airbus to talk with them about it.

User currently offlineosiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3352 times:

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 3):

Makes me wonder why they even asked Airbus to talk with them about it.

To get a sweeter deal out of Airbus by saying that.. and then to let Boeing know that's what's happening by saying this in the press... quite clever really.



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3274 times:
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Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 3):
Makes me wonder why they even asked Airbus to talk with them about it.

1 - Because they're already an Airbus customer?

2 - Why wouldn't they?



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User currently offlineKDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3223 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 5):
1 - Because they're already an Airbus customer?

Well then it makes sense. But why say what they did about Boeing then and nothing about Airbus?


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19708 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2853 times:

Quoting osiris30 (Reply 4):
To get a sweeter deal out of Airbus by saying that.. and then to let Boeing know that's what's happening by saying this in the press... quite clever really.

Or to get a letter from Airbus thanking them for their RFP and saying that they are not interested. I wonder how much it costs Airbus to respond to the RFP?


User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3261 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2745 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
Or to get a letter from Airbus thanking them for their RFP and saying that they are not interested. I wonder how much it costs Airbus to respond to the RFP

I would expect that Boeing offering a real good sale price to ET for MAX jets, given the substantial 787 delays



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User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 734 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 6):
Well then it makes sense. But why say what they did about Boeing then and nothing about Airbus?

As of today, ET is exclusively a Boeing customer for all jets in both pax and cargo operations. Fleet consists of:

- 5x 77L
- 12x 763ER
- 6 or 7x 752ER
- 12x 73W/738
- 2x 757F
- 2x MD11F
- 2x 747F (wet leased from Southern Air)

However, they have ordered 12x A350s so that should be the first Airbus in ET fleet.

AIrbus has approached ET many times before and I expect them to continue to do so in the future. ET is not big but I would not think either OEM is going to ignore them, especially if their plan of being the largest carrier in Africa do pan out. And that doesn't even include their plans to create regional carriers throughout Africa, which should give the ET group a similar footprint as a LAN in Latin America, for instance.

The CEO's words, I am pretty sure, are not intended to put Boeing on notice. ET (and in fact Ethiopia) is FULL of Boeing fanboys and fangirls so his point should really be taken at face value. MAX has the advantage but NEO will be looked at, nothing more, nothing less. ET is very loyal to Boeing, and that is probably an understatement.

So how did they order the A350s? I don't have insider info but my guess is that:
1) they liked the specs AND
2) Airbus put forth an offer ET couldn't refuse


User currently offlineKDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2317 times:

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 9):
ET is not big but I would not think either OEM is going to ignore them, especially if their plan of being the largest carrier in Africa do pan out

Absolutely. I think that if they grow according to the plan, you will see frequesnt visitors from both manufacturers as well as our Canadian and Brazilian friends.

Is the A-350 order for the 900 0r 1000?


User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 734 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1978 times:

Quoting KDAYflyer (Reply 10):
Is the A-350 order for the 900 0r 1000?

900 variant for right now and EIS in 2017.


User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 663 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1835 times:

What competition does ET face from within Africa itself?

User currently offlineSQ22 From Germany, joined Feb 2012, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1692 times:

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 9):
ET is very loyal to Boeing, and that is probably an understatement.

According to this source the A350 order was designed to be (also) a wake-up call that they can order aircrafts somewhere else.

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...st-carrier-in-africa-by-2025-62041


User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 734 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

Quoting SQ22 (Reply 13):
According to this source the A350 order was designed to be (also) a wake-up call that they can order aircrafts somewhere else.

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...62041

Not sure, perhaps Boeing did take ET for granted, I don't know. Certainly, ET like all other 787 customers was not happy with the many delays.
The argument went that ET is now big enough where it could justify planes from different vendors. This happened under the previous CEO; I think he was the only who could have made that happen as he was the architect of the new surge by ET starting in the early 2000s.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30997 posts, RR: 86
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1547 times:
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Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 9):
As of today, ET is exclusively a Boeing customer for all jets in both pax and cargo operations. Fleet consists of:

- 5x 77L
- 12x 763ER
- 6 or 7x 752ER
- 12x 73W/738
- 2x 757F
- 2x MD11F
- 2x 747F (wet leased from Southern Air)

And one 787-8.  


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