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Air France Passengers Asked For Cash To Fuel Plane  
User currently offlinefrenchpilot From France, joined Aug 2004, 84 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 27033 times:

Passengers on a flight from Paris to Beirut diverted to Damascus only to find out that the credit card company was not accepted.
Passengers contribution was asked to refuel and leave to the final destination.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Mid...damascus-refuel.ashx#axzz23kdVLOO1


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User currently offlinefalkerker From Seychelles, joined Apr 2012, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 26944 times:

Quote:
The plane was scheduled to arrive in Beirut late Wednesday but was diverted due to civil unrest in the Lebanese capital

So, there was civil unrest in Beirut so they were sent to Syria??  

Being in Damascus, I would have paid whatever it took to get out of there ASAP.


User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 26931 times:

Quoting frenchpilot (Thread starter):
Passengers on a flight from Paris to Beirut diverted to Damascus only to find out that the credit card company was not accepted.
Passengers contribution was asked to refuel and leave to the final destination.

Hey.. it happens!

I've handled diversions in my time where fuellers refused to provide fuel because of administrative errors between their sales department and dispatch, or where the major credit card was refused.

In one case, in a diversion to Madrid - we had an aircraft full of pax who had been delayed due technical problems on their flight from Portugal by 12 hours. When the flight eventually departed, it had to divert to Madrid due to a sick passenger on board. On uplifting more fuel to continue to Ireland, the fuel company refused the company Mastercard! They only accepted Visa...

It's a daft situation when you are dealing with major international airlines who are obviously "good for the money".



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3736 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 26790 times:

This whole affair is either completely laughable or pathetic, possibly both...

So AF decides to divert this Beirut bound flight away from its destination, due to civil disturbances in the city, and, naturally, they decide to send them to Damascus, SYRIA?

Deciding to Gallically ignore the irony of diverting a plane from an airport subject to 'minor' disturbances to one dead in the middle of a country in the midst of a full blown civil war, one with which diplomatic tensions are stretching sympathies thin, they further add insult by not even bothering to check whether appropriate ground servicing would be available when they get there?

     

I think we have a perfect plot for the next Airplane! movie...

'But captain, surely we have fuel to fly to Amman instead? NO, we don't. And don't call me Shirley!"



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User currently onlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7454 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 26760 times:

Just keep your voices down.

MOL will think that it is a new way of screwing a few more £ out of everyone .

First you make the passengers pay for the fuel, then you levy a CC Fee.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26848 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 26669 times:

Similar thread here :

AF Flight To Beirut Diverted To Damascus (by ManuCH Aug 16 2012 in Aviation Polls)


User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 25857 times:

Quoting pesit4a (Reply 2):
It's a daft situation when you are dealing with major international airlines who are obviously "good for the money".

But politics comes into play. France demanded Assad step down and the EU has imposed sanctions on Syria. If Syria had accepted credit card, would the payment been honoured? Tricky situations arise when politics interferes with commerce. Impose sanctions that effectively rip up bilateral agreements and all sorts of silly things can happen.


User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 25527 times:

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 6):
But politics comes into play. France demanded Assad step down and the EU has imposed sanctions on Syria. If Syria had accepted credit card, would the payment been honoured? Tricky situations arise when politics interferes with commerce. Impose sanctions that effectively rip up bilateral agreements and all sorts of silly things can happen.

I understand that in this particular case, but I was being more general concerning situations where fuel companies refuse credit to reputable airlines if they divert and do not have an agreement in place.



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User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4776 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 25279 times:

Bizarre. Why on earth would they not divert somewhere in Cyprus in the first place? The story says they tried AMM but this was unsuccessful for some unknown reason.

Do we know any more background here (i.e. was the AF flight holding above BEY for a long time)?


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6528 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 24493 times:

3 threads on this, well...

On the evening news they said that passengers were asked for money but that in the end it wasn't needed.

About the diversion they said they flew to AMM but the fuel situation made them change to DAM.

AF had no official comment to make.



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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6075 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 22840 times:
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Quoting frenchpilot (Thread starter):
credit card company was not accepted.

What kind of card do they use? They should use Visa, they take that everywhere...  
Quoting francoflier (Reply 3):
I think we have a perfect plot for the next Airplane! movie...

I had the image in my head of the guy coming up to the plane with the old school charge plate (like in Airplane).



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19385 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 22083 times:

Quoting falkerker (Reply 1):
So, there was civil unrest in Beirut so they were sent to Syria??

"Captain, the pan is too hot."
"OK, let's land in the fire!"

Quoting falstaff (Reply 10):
What kind of card do they use? They should use Visa, they take that everywhere...

One tank of fuel for an aircraft, $25,000
Landing fees for an airport, $2,500
Landing in the middle of a civil war, Priceless.

There are some things money can't buy
For every thing else, there's MasterCard.

 


User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3416 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 22005 times:
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There is something strange in this story.
The plane should have enough fuel to hold for a while near the destination ie BEY then enough fuel to divert to a nearby airport Larnaca is the nearest one to come in mind. To fly to DAM you need a special authorization then you need to fly North near Latakkia , East to near Iraqi border, South to the Jordanian border then North again to DAM, how the AF pilot could do all that and not fly direct to Larnaca is beyond me.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19385 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 21367 times:

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 12):

There is something strange in this story.
The plane should have enough fuel to hold for a while near the destination ie BEY then enough fuel to divert to a nearby airport Larnaca is the nearest one to come in mind. To fly to DAM you need a special authorization then you need to fly North near Latakkia , East to near Iraqi border, South to the Jordanian border then North again to DAM, how the AF pilot could do all that and not fly direct to Larnaca is beyond me.

Why do you need to circle Syria to land in DAM?


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2691 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 20862 times:

Are there still scheduled flights to/from Damascus? In case of Tripolis the airlines kept flying there when the civil war started.

User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 335 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 20610 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
One tank of fuel for an aircraft, $25,000
Landing fees for an airport, $2,500
Landing in the middle of a civil war, Priceless.

There are some things money can't buy
For every thing else, there's MasterCard.

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User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 20182 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 15):

Someone beat him to it, we get the 'priceless' MasterCard ad here in the UK too. But still..... Touché


User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 18387 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 14):

I flew from Beirut to Damascus in 2001 with Yugoslav Airlines and we flew north up the coast, then headed east and then south back down through Syria to Damascus. There is a very high mountain range that runs along the coast of Lebanon and I believe that this is why aircraft have to climb alongside the coast before crossing the mountains .
If memory serves me correctly we turned east over Byblos



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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 17843 times:
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