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787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 7  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 39735 times:
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This is continuation thread from part 6 which can be found here: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 6

Please feel free to continue your discussion here.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31011 posts, RR: 86
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 39691 times:
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Ethiopian Airlines has taken delivery of their first 787-8 (ZA262 | LN 49 | ET-AOQ), becoming the third operator for the type.


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China Southern's first 787-8 (ZA382 | LN 43 | B-2727) has rolled out of the paint hangar in a special - and very catching - paint scheme.


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LAN's first 787-8 (ZA536 | LN 68 | CC-BBA) is also in full colors (    ) and being prepared for delivery.


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And while there was hope Air India would finally take delivery of at least one of their 787-8s today, that appears to continue to be held up by the Indian governmental bureaucracy.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5764 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 39671 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 257):
Is there anyone who will be able to confirm if Boeing and AI concluded the first 787 delivery tomorrow?


If so, can someone get to PAE and snap a photo of it on its way to India? Also can anyone get to wherever it's going in India so we can finally say it's been officially delivered? Like I keep saying, I'll believe it once it touches down in the subcontinent.

Any spotters try to go to PAE to see any Air India 787s talking off New Delhi are going to be disappointed since all the service ready 787 for Air India are at CHS.



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2529 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 39636 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 2):
Any spotters try to go to PAE to see any Air India 787s talking off New Delhi are going to be disappointed since all the service ready 787 for Air India are at CHS.

Even so, the PAE spotters would appear to have an equal chance of seeing an AI 787 taking off to New Delhi today as the folks in CHS  


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5764 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 39591 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 3):

Even so, the PAE spotters would appear to have an equal chance of seeing an AI 787 taking off to New Delhi today as the folks in CHS

How true!

And while we're on the topic of AI 787s at CHS, there are four 787s now on the flight line at CHS. ZA238 (LN 54) is back out with a replacement engine hanging off the right wing. Given that all assembly activities are complete on this particular aiplane I do anticipate that it should have its first flight in about 2 weeks.



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User currently offlineIdeekay From Switzerland, joined Jun 2012, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 39565 times:

Does someone knows when Oman Air will get their first 787?

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31011 posts, RR: 86
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 39190 times:
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Quoting Ideekay (Reply 5):
Does someone knows when Oman Air will get their first 787?

Appears to be 2015 per the PR for their order of the Trent 1000 engine.


User currently offlinecaetravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 909 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 39112 times:

I was SO hoping those Air India 787s would start leaving today... I'm ready to see a new livery on the flightline out here. I hope we end up with a China Southern or LAN bird here, those things are gorgeous. I'm not too familiar with spotting and good spots to take pics around here at CHS, but I am willing to learn if anyone has any tips!


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User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 943 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 39099 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 6):

Matt's blog indicates LAN delivered and flew away Aug 16. http://youtu.be/Ku8aKpdXQZM

http://kpae.blogspot.com/

That was a 767.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8822 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 39035 times:
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Quoting aklrno (Reply 8):
That was a 767.

I wish it was CC-BBA, but LAN needs the B-767-316ERs fast in order to increase flights to North America and capacity on routes with-in South America. LAN has 9 more B-767-316ERs on order and is one of the only carriers that is currently incorporating brand new B-767-300ERs and B-787s into its fleet simultaneously.  


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5764 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 38962 times:

MAtt Cawby tweeted that another Qatar Airways 787 has been pulled out of the paint hangar and is at the fuel dock, registered A7-BCL. Can anyone confirm the registration. This should be ZA463, L/N 64


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 38511 times:

It looks like Boeing pushed LN74 (LAN) out of the final assembly line.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/7803191998/in/photostream



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8822 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 38151 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 11):
It looks like Boeing pushed LN74 (LAN) out of the final assembly line.

Fantastic! That was fast, hopefully CC-BBB will head to the paint shop soon.  


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3949 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 37581 times:

Just noticed an error slipped in to one of my old posts :

Quoting RobK:
CC-BBA ZA538 38472/68

Should read ZA536 38471/68. No idea how that one crept in but sorry for any confusion.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5764 posts, RR: 47
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 37477 times:

A source revealed that Boeing did not make any deliveries to Air India today nor were tehy expecting to deliver any 787 from Charleston today. The Air India/GoI drama goes on.

[Edited 2012-08-17 14:17:17]


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7595 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 37360 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 2):

Yeah I should've put CHS. That area's been heavily underspotted given the facilities there.

And AI               



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3564 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 36048 times:
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Quoting aklrno (Reply 8):
That was a 767.

you noticed that after having a cup of coffee I spotted the error and deleted the post... ok rub it in


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8822 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 36035 times:
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Quoting RobK (Reply 13):
Should read ZA536 38471/68.

CC-BBA preformed a B2 flight today:
http://kpae.blogspot.com/search/label/CC-BBA


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5764 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 36039 times:

Hearing an unconfirmed rumor that Air India's 787 delivery is now being pushed back to September. What a joke of an airline.


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User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7152 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 36012 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 18):
What a joke of an airline.

India. A shining light of democracy for Asia.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5764 posts, RR: 47
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 35934 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 19):
a. A shining light of democracy for Asia.

It's a great democracy but a lousy bureaucracy.



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User currently offlineclickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 35925 times:
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It is sad that 5 787s were scheduled to fly today, yet only one made it up. There was also a 748 on the board, it got as far as a flight plan before being cancelled. I suppose they will all fly when the weather turns bad here in Seattle.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31011 posts, RR: 86
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 35803 times:
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Quoting clickhappy (Reply 21):
It is sad that 5 787s were scheduled to fly today, yet only one made it up. There was also a 748 on the board, it got as far as a flight plan before being cancelled. I suppose they will all fly when the weather turns bad here in Seattle.

I know. It was a perfect day for spotting.


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 35541 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 18):
Hearing an unconfirmed rumor that Air India's 787 delivery is now being pushed back to September. What a joke of an airline.

Actually, AI is still hoping for end-August delivery. But yes, September wouldn't be surprising.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 20):
It's a great democracy but a lousy bureaucracy.

It's a lousy democracy which has resulted in the lousy bureaucracy. The government's primary purpose is to stay in power (usually accomplished through harmful populist measures which the uneducated masses adore), so that they can loot the country.



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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3949 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 35421 times:

FWIW ANH now shows for Tues next week with AND the following Monday. And of course in true AI tradition they'll still be sat at CHS come September.

25 Post contains images PHX787 : GET IN THE GAME, AI!!!!! It's not the country's fault persay, it's more of their bureaucracy's fault. Like I keep saying: Unless I see that thing tou
26 aklrno : You can't calculate an exact cost to Boeing for the AI delay unless you know AI's actual price and Boeing's cost of money, but using some rough estima
27 NYC777 : According to Matt Cawby's tweet ZA288 for UA wil be making its first flight today.
28 PHX787 : Is this the first craft for UA? If so, that's an excellent sign. Delivery should be expected when? (IIRC I thought it was September 30th?)
29 NYC777 : Yes. Delivery scheduled for mid September
30 Post contains links NYC777 : Just up on Flightaware, the first 787 for United is due to make its B-1 flight in a few minutes: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE288
31 817Dreamliiner : Havent seen this mentioned, but according to Matt Cawby's site, there are two LAN 787 delievery ceremonies scheduled for August 30th and 31st.
32 NYC777 : Only one is being delivered. One day is probably the signing ceremony and the next day is probably for fly away.
33 KarelXWB : Charleston flightline: 5 Dreamliners. The new one must be LN60 / ZA239. https://twitter.com/Kearney_Brendan/status/237556656379138049/photo/1
34 NYC777 : It is.
35 kanban : I noticed one of the financial news lines stating Boeing is working to reduce the Boeing and Customer test flights form 6 each on average to two each
36 incitatus : It has been a while since I read anything about the 787-9. When is the first flight planned? Is the first frame in the assembly line yet?
37 dynamicsguy : Not in the final assembly line yet, but production of components is under way. As of the end of July, engineering release was 80% complete. I don't k
38 JOYA380B747 : At this point the only reasons Boeing keeps doing business with AI is the possibility of defense deals that comes their way from the highly egocentri
39 Post contains images frigatebird : Last time I heard the first 787-9 would be LN126, first flight Q3 2013 and EIS Q2 2014. Going to be a tight flight testing schedule, but as you exper
40 United787 : 16 Delivered to Date L/N 8 - JA801A - 9/25/2011 - NH #1 L/N 24 - JA802A - 10/13/2011 - NH #2 L/N 31 - JA805A - 12/30/2011 - NH #3 L/N 41 - JA807A - 1/
41 Stitch : Even then, how big is that pie going to be? The IAF have six IL-78 tankers and they'd already chosen the A330MRTT once, so no guarantee the KC-767 wi
42 NYC777 : JA803A (ZA100) delivered yesterday and should fly away tomorrow.
43 KarelXWB : Finally. Now let's take a look at the last know delivery schedule (copied from the previous thread): ET-AOQ 14 Aug JA803A 20 Aug A7-BCB 22 Aug JA814A
44 United787 : That is big news! I thought they would never get that one out the door, seemed to be clogging things up!
45 AirframeAS : The registration is N20904.
46 Post contains links SCL767 : According to Matt Cawby's blog, LAN will have two 787 delivery ceremonies, one on 30AUG and one on 31AUG: http://paineairport.com/images/kpae8403.jpg
47 KarelXWB : Thanks, I've updated my post.
48 PHX787 : Looks like a busy second half of the month for Boeing!
49 aeroblogger : AI delayed yet again. On the bright side, this weekend is looking more and more likely.
50 NYC777 : There's no way that Boeing can deliver 2 787s to LAN by the end of this month. The 2nd one just came out of final assembly and hasn't been painted or
51 SCL767 : I think he means two different ceremonies for CC-BBA.
52 817Dreamliiner : I mentioned the 2 ceremonies in my last post in this thread, post 31.
53 rotating14 : Its pretty safe to say there is no way there are 2 787's going to LAN anytime soon It has to be a misprint for the 777F.
54 817Dreamliiner : I know that, was a bit surpised when i saw it at first. I know its only 1 aircraft.
55 Post contains links KarelXWB : http://paineairport.com/images/kpae8403.jpg It's saying two times 'LAN 787 first delivery'. That means 2 ceremonies for CC-BBA or it is a misprint for
56 RobK : That one is A7-BCL not BCD. Typo from my source when it was originally sent to me.
57 Post contains links and images mffoda : Not so fast Stitch... Quote: NEW DELHI — India and the United States soon will sign a $1 billion deal for the purchase of 22 attack helicopters, an
58 clickhappy : Another fail to launch B1 flight today, ZA119.
59 Post contains images KELPkid : Seems to be a common occurrence lately And Boeing is trying to get the average down to 737 numbers, 1 Boeing flight and 1 customer acceptance flight
60 NYC777 : I'm not holding my breath.
61 PHX787 : Yeah neither am I. It's just becoming routine now for these delays.
62 NYC777 : Tomorrow is another day. Why did the flight get off?
63 dynamicsguy : For crying out loud, it's a B1 flight. Could have been almost anything. I've just had a look at the 777s currently being prepared for delivery and th
64 NYC777 : Ok I'm trying to get some sort of confirmation of QR's 787 delivery but I haven't heard anything. Also it looks like LAN is getting ONE 787 on August
65 Post contains links SCL767 : LAN Airlines will be the fourth carrier in the world to take delivery of the 787! LAN to take delivery of 787 on 31 August LAN to take delivery of 787
66 NYC777 : Well that fits as QR is not taking delivery today I just found out and if LAN will be the fourth airline then QR looks to be taking delivery in Septem
67 Stitch : Akbar Al Baker actually praised the 787 at Farnborough, so I would be surprised (yes, really) if he suddenly changed his mind. Anyone know if QR's del
68 United787 : I thought QR wasn't supposed to deliver until the 27th?
69 NYC777 : Nope, Qatar was supposed to deliver on the 22nd and LAN on the 27th. Now it's looking like LAN on the 31st and QR is TBD. It is entirely possible that
70 United787 : Curious about the other three that were supposed to be delivered this month...L/Ns 69, 67 & 70...69 still waiting for B1
71 Post contains links and images SCL767 : Earlier this year, LAN said that it would not be among the first five carriers in the world to operate the 787. I guess that has now changed... Secon
72 817Dreamliiner : Well i guess thats due to the current AI fiasco and QR pushing back their delievery for some unknown reason.
73 aeroblogger : Ministry of Finance has finished the incomplete paperwork regarding AI 787 compensation. Now, Ministry of Law and Justice must conduct a review on the
74 Stitch : I imagine it would also deny LH the ability to fly the 747-8 to India, or would this only affect the GEnx1B model?
75 SCL767 : Yes, the AI fiasco certainly pushed LAN ahead. JAL currently operates the NRT-DEL route 4x weekly with the 787 and weekly with the B772. JAL already
76 aeroblogger : It might. It depends on whether this engine problem is unique to the GEnx1B model or whether it applies to all GEnx engines I'd imagine. I'm sure DGC
77 Post contains images KELPkid : Reservations over GE engine issues, perhaps? We know what happened, the question is if it is a design defect or a one off manufacturing error
78 SonomaFlyer : From the release put out by the NTSB, the parts in question are undergoing metallurgical analysis. This should help narrow down the cause which every
79 Post contains links and images aussiepomm : Looks as though QF will be cancelling its firm order of the B789... Read more: http://www.news.com.au/business/qant...frfm1i-1226456359030#ixzz24K1uUU
80 Post contains images lightsaber : This is interesting... Two customers with ready planes pushing back. Both with GEnX engines... But then again, both notorious for trying to extract f
81 ColAvionLover : Any info about AV's first B787 jet production? Info says the airline will get its first B787 in the first quarter of 2013 so production must be about
82 SCL767 : Luckily for LAN, ANA has been operating the B-787s equipped with RR Trent 1000s for close to 10 months and "teething issues" with the engine type hav
83 Post contains links clickhappy : I believe A7-BCB flew this evening, as N1003W, but the reg, including the nose gear, was taped off, and there was an "experimental" label over the doo
84 KELPkid : Wierd. Shouldn't have required an experimental, unless Boeing has done some work to it which deviates in a major way from the type certificate...
85 Post contains images RobK : Yeah would have been BCB if you're referring to BOE058. Flying as l/n instead of var # but the 'other' 461 (CSN B738) never filed or flew yesterday s
86 Ronaldo747 : Guys, there are far less than 100 787's built, it's annoying but pretty normal that there are some glitches here and there. Give Boeing some time of a
87 Post contains links NYC777 : Here's a great piece of analysis from Aspire Aviation: http://www.aspireaviation.com/2012/0...eamliner-programme-starts-to-soar/
88 NYC777 : Hearing that QR first 787 delivery is to take place on Saturday, August 25th. Can anyone confirm?
89 817Dreamliiner : Great article, thanks for sharing that but im having trouble understanding something in that article: Now I thought the original operating empy weigh
90 Stitch : 221,000 pounds is probably MEW - Manufacturer Empty Weight - which would be the airframe with no interior fittings (seats, galleys, lavatories, etc.)
91 817Dreamliiner : O ok, so I got the MEW and OEW mixed up. I guess its because I didnt know the MEW figure. Thanks for that.
92 Post contains links and images lightsaber : Why are the 787s taking so many test flights for delivery? The best link is the WSJ (which doesn't link on a.net), so search www.google.com/news for "
93 JoeCanuck : At this point, I expect QF to accept delivery before AI.
94 Post contains images Stitch : From the article, it sounds like the planes are experiencing faults on their Boeing (Bx) flights that require subsequent Boeing flights to verify. On
95 Post contains links ual747-600 : There is a flight out of KCHS today as BOE237. Customer flight? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE237 UAL747-600
96 Post contains images bestwestern : AI still havent taken delivery of their original order for DC3's, some problem with not enough orders Seriously, we have to stop giving these idiots
97 NYC777 : I thank you!
98 kanban : Quote above is from the article not lightsaber's words One if the author thinks in terms of "Seattle" either for the company or for the787 production
99 Post contains images clickhappy : The camera I was shooting with belongs to my best friend Erick, who passed away in November 2009. I was bored and decided to shoot with it last night
100 Post contains links and images lightsaber : The irony would be if 9W received their 788s before AI. 9W's deliveries were originally expected in 2011... http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2007/
101 Post contains links NYC777 : ZA119 is supposed to make its B-1 flight today in afew minutes according to Flightaware: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE119 ZA461 is alsos uppo
102 KarelXWB : Boeing did the same on an ANA frame (LN47 / ZA506 / JA809A). Yes indeed. The ET bird was delivered only 2 weeks after it had finished painting. That'
103 NYC777 : So Boeing is going crazy with 787 flights today: ZA461 (already flew) ZA119 (flight crew already on board preparing to depart for B-1 test flight) ZA1
104 rotating14 : Lets hope they keep up this pace. Any news on when the CHS plant will produce another carriers 787 than AI?
105 NYC777 : Two '87s for Hainan Airlines are already in final assembly at CHS. Check the spreadsheets on my blog.[Edited 2012-08-23 13:13:29]
106 rotating14 : Right on. Thanks
107 NYC777 : ZA119 is returning to PAE, an issue has cropped up.
108 Rheinbote : While everybody is talking about airframe production ramp-up, rework, and COA - what about the engine OEMs? After all, it may be the engines or the la
109 NYC777 : It's definetely not the engine manufacturers. Boeing will only hang the engines off them after they'completed certain change incorportion or final as
110 United787 : 17 Delivered to Date L/N 8 - JA801A - 9/25/2011 - NH #1 L/N 24 - JA802A - 10/13/2011 - NH #2 L/N 31 - JA805A - 12/30/2011 - NH #3 L/N 41 - JA807A - 1/
111 Post contains images lightsaber : If that schedule is kept, all I have to say is "WOW!" It would meet the 7 deliveries for August, but pardon me if I think that is unlikely. With new
112 NYC777 : Unfortunately there won't be 7 deliveries. We'll probably see at most, and more likely, 1-2 more del;iveries maybe 3 more. That would be a total of 5
113 SCL767 : Do you think that the delivery of CC-BBA will slip into September?
114 Post contains links AirframeAS : Dude, you need to correct this. This is NOT the tail number. The tail number UA assigned to L/N 53 is N20904. Any picture of UA 787 on Google Images
115 Post contains links NYC777 : Nope LAN has already stated that they will take delivery Aug. 30/31st and Boeing has reserved the Future of Flight Museum for delivery activities/cer
116 Post contains links and images 817Dreamliiner : Or you can use a photo from the database: View Large View MediumPhoto © Timo Breidenstein
117 CONTACREW : N27901, N20904, N26906 are the ones to be delivered between september and november of this year.[Edited 2012-08-23 17:36:52]
118 Post contains images SCL767 : Thanks for the clarification. Only one week until LAN's 787 ceremonies begin! [Edited 2012-08-23 17:36:10]
119 AirframeAS : I thought L/N 53 was N20904 which is the first UA 787 to be delivered.... Or are the tail numbers you provided not in order?
120 CONTACREW : N20904 will be the first to be delivered, I just didn't put them in correct order in terms of delivery.
121 PHX787 : This is absolutely nuts. Anyone know which one this was and where it's going? Alright!! Finally a good delivery week! Why is Boeing still kicking the
122 JOYA380B747 : If it costs Boeing money to store these AI for long term, can they not just give them up to someone, an airline that actually needs them but whose 78
123 Post contains links rotating14 : Just ran across this article. It may shed some light about why the birds have been so slow to leave the CHS and PAE field nest. Looks like wing issues
124 kiwiandrew : Sorry for going off topic, but why on earth would Air India need attack choppers and C-17s?[Edited 2012-08-23 21:09:21]
125 Post contains images rotating14 : Military wares. Indians need guns too!! Back on topic.
126 Stitch : That's a long-term fatigue life issue and would have no impact on delivery or normal operation. There is already a fix in development and airlines ap
127 flightsimer : Was it not LAN that also jumped way ahead in line about two years ago by agreeing to tak some of the earlier birds or am I thinking of another carrie
128 Post contains images seabosdca : What I found interesting in that article was the 787-10X MEW target of 119 t. If they can meet that target, the aircraft will be a world-beater.
129 PHX787 : I'd like to see the article! Sounds quite interesting.
130 flightsimer : So then why it just read it like everyone else did? Posted here
131 SCL767 : LAN's first 787 built is LN68 CC-BBA. According to LATAM's fleet plan, LAN will incorporate 3 B-787s into the fleet this year: LN68 CC-BBA (delivery
132 Post contains images JOYA380B747 : AI is owned by Indian Govt. So if Boeing doesn't give AI toys, the Govt wil buy its military toys from someone else.... or just create ruckus over bo
133 Rheinbote : Yes, but this doesn't tell you whether these engines are PIP1 or Package B already. Obviously the one that failed on the AI bird in CHS was a Block 4
134 aeroblogger : DGCA has provided safety clearance to 787 w/GEnx, paving the way to an early next-week delivery for AI.
135 Post contains images 817Dreamliiner : Yea, until they find something else to investigate and delay it even further
136 Post contains images lightsaber : Even that rosy scenario puts AI behind QR as the 5th 787 operator. I'm with the others, we'll see another delay into September. Lightsaber
137 United787 : Dude, chillax! I forgot to change the tail number in the last update, I will try my hardest to remember for the next time, hopefully there will be mo
138 Post contains images NYC777 : Not trying to be mean and it's not your fault but everytime someone says that Air India is cleared to accept delivery and delivery will occur on such
139 Stitch : AI's birds need a flip-book on their fuselage: "Third to Fly" (then ET takes their first) "Fourth to Fly" (then QR takes their first) "Fifth to Fly" (
140 Post contains images aeroblogger : Oh, I agree. AI's track record on "expected delivery dates" is atrocious. Even I am waiting for the next delay to crop up, probably from the most une
141 Post contains images Stitch : I remember back in 2007 seeing a couple of AI 777-200LRs and 777-300ERs on the PAE flight line for a fair part of a year. This was back during the mer
142 Post contains images pnwtraveler : Kinda like those birthday cards that say happy ___ birthday with a wheel that spins a bunch of numbers I agree that there is something behind the sce
143 Post contains links aeroblogger : FWIW, even the press has started reporting a Tuesday arrival next week. http://www.ptinews.com/news/2908562_...rst-Dreamliner-expected-on-Tuesday I'm
144 Post contains links SCL767 : I wouldn't be surprised if LATAM received CC-BBA, N776LA, CC-BDH, and PT-MUE before AI receives their first 787! On August 26th, Boeing will celebrat
145 Post contains images PW100 : I'm sure they got very good lessons in that department from Boeing when they were told that there 787 would arrive with a six month delay, 5 consecut
146 Post contains images JOYA380B747 : Nobody guaranteed the fact that the 787s even after touching down in India might start operating regular flights, they might end up getting baked in
147 petera380 : Don't forget is not AI causing the delay, it's the Indian Government! Don' blame the airline.
148 Post contains images lightsaber : I hope to see the AI 787s delivered next week. I haven't heard is about AI's financing for the 3rd 787 and on. Any news? Have you seen the interior co
149 Post contains images aeroblogger : VT-ANH (I think?) has been pulled up to the CHS delivery center! As long as AI is a state-owned carrier, what matters is the ability of the Indian gov
150 NYC777 : Well I'm getting word that VT-ANH delivery is taking place....today!
151 Post contains images 817Dreamliiner : Well that would be the shock of the day! lets hope that its actually true
152 PHX787 : Holy cheese and crackers.......this has to be a joke....If this happens, I'll be in shock
153 aeroblogger : I've just gotten word - Ministry of Law and Justice has approved AI compensation agreement, and VT-ANH has been delivered! Formal delivery ceremony to
154 Post contains images rotating14 : Even the pontiff cant be mad at that But seriously, I'll be happy when the gears touch down on Indian soil.
155 Post contains links and images lightsaber : WHAT! Ummm... If true, my crow is to be well done and please provide Tabasco sauce and lots of salt and pepper... The bond rating system is messed up
156 NYC777 : VT-ANH delivered today and VT-AND to be ddelivered on Aug. 31. Not sure on VT-ANI.
157 Post contains links lightsaber : Onto the 787. Anyone see any other analysis on the per unit 787 costs than Credit Suisse? http://www.aspireaviation.com/2012/0...eamliner-programme-st
158 Post contains images lightsaber : Where is PM. I think he would be excited by this statement on the 787-10: "Its range would be 6,750nm for aircraft powered by Rolls-Royce Trent 1000-T
159 Stitch : I believe LN90 has been the target for a bit now. And the 8t MTOW rise with LN20 is greater than the OEW overage. Be interesting to see if Boeing can
160 NYC777 : Boeing is telling me that the Air India team is in Charleston for the delivery next week. Now I do think that contractual delivery was done today and
161 Post contains images Rheinbote : Unfortunately, Aspire is throwing together sources of quite disparate quality and/or credibility. The 4t overweight figure for LN20 is more or less s
162 Post contains images AirframeAS : What, are we 16 now?? I hate that word.... As for the thread..... Does anyone know how far in the test flights the UA 787 is at now? Has the C1 fligh
163 NYC777 : It's only had it's B-1 flight thus far. Given that's it's not due to be delivered until the 18th of next month, there's plenty of time to conduct B-2
164 AirframeAS : Is this a solid, confirmed delivery date? If so, where did you find this? This is not even mentioned United Daily, at all.
165 Post contains images NYC777 : I have my sources!
166 Post contains images aeroblogger : If both Boeing and AI are both saying the same thing, then it's probably for real this time. This is great news. I can't wait to fly in one of these
167 Post contains images PHX787 : Hahaha I wanted to say something else that isn't A.net appropriate ABOUT DANG TIME!!!!!
168 Post contains images United787 : 18 Delivered to Date L/N 8 - JA801A - 9/25/2011 - NH #1 L/N 24 - JA802A - 10/13/2011 - NH #2 L/N 31 - JA805A - 12/30/2011 - NH #3 L/N 41 - JA807A - 1/
169 aeroblogger : Uresh - quick correction on your blog post: Flyout will happen 27th afternoon/evening for VT-ANH, after delivery ceremony.[Edited 2012-08-24 20:00:01]
170 Post contains images JOYA380B747 : Hoping it to be all nice and smooth from now on for these jets..... Waiting to hear the domestic schedule of the Dreamliners in the coming weeks
171 flightsimer : I'm not talking about specific aircraft but just in general. Was it not LAN that jumped ahead to more or less the front of the line by agreeing to ta
172 deconz : I believe you're thinking of Royal Air Maroc (8A)
173 Post contains images PHX787 : Well Once that thing lands in India I think my shock will wear off a bit
174 PM : I'm lurking. A bit snowed under with the new job. Nice to read but I'm wary these days of counting my chickens. That said, there are those here who w
175 BLRAviation : Are they?
176 aeroblogger : Yes, I got the info from AI ops, while Uresh got the info from Boeing.
177 NYC777 : Thanks for the correction on the flyaway. Did AI ops tell you that the contractual delivery was completed on Aug. 24th?
178 NYC777 : Oh ok thanks. There are some corrections here. LN 58 is now planned for delivery on Aug. 30th LN 69 is now targetted for delivery on Sept. 12 not Aug
179 Post contains images aeroblogger : I gave this delivery date... VT-ANI is expected 7/9/2012 They told me that contractual delivery would be done by 5PM ET around 4:30 (2AM IST)... I ne
180 clickhappy : Another failed test flight today (ZA182). Scheduled for 4 hours, made it about 25 minutes.
181 catdaddy63 : Back out now for about 2.5 hours headed towards MWH. Must have been a relatively minor issue.
182 redrooster3 : Can someone explain to me what B1, B2, C1, C2 flights display? And why do the test planes stop as Moses lake?
183 Post contains links 817Dreamliiner : You can look in this thread: B-1 Flight Vs C-1 Flight (by rw774477 Aug 24 2012 in Tech Ops)
184 Stitch : B flights are Boeing test flights. C flights are Customer test flights, though Boeing pilots are aboard and some customers have the Boeing pilots per
185 kanban : there is a thread on the tech forum about these flights... better to go there than rewrite here.. Moses Lake has a Boeing Test facility and can fix m
186 NYC777 : Deliver of this plane on July 9th? How can that be?
187 ual747-600 : That's September 7th, 2012 in many parts of the world. UAL747-600
188 Post contains images BLRAviation : British date. DD/MM/YY 7th September.
189 817Dreamliiner : I think he means september 7th.
190 Post contains images aeroblogger : Well, I see 3 people have already done the explanation for me
191 Post contains images BLRAviation : May I offer a bit of advice, learnt after 20 years of international travel. I now put date as 7-Sep-12. No chance of misunderstanding between the US
192 Post contains images PHX787 : In Japan they use 年,月,日, Year, month, day, so seeing the british style it's still confusing
193 Post contains links KarelXWB : Another Qatar 787 has emerged from the EMC. This one must be LN57 or LN62. http://www.flickr.com/photos/3861984...5/7862284198/in/contacts/lightbox/ L
194 sweair : I think they prepare the rework in that building, taking stuff off and out of the frame, they do most installing in EMC I guess. It will be interesti
195 Post contains images lightsaber : On the AI 787: More Tabasco sauce for this crow waiter... Thank you. That means quite a few Friday deliveries. IMHO, RR will always have the advantage
196 NYC777 : I think this is most likely 57 but I'm trying to confirm.
197 KarelXWB : Most likely yes. Now, with LN11 on the 40-51 apron LN73 (Hainan Airlines) must be elsewhere. As far as I know there are only 2 spots in front of the
198 flightsimer : I just happen to be reading the Aopa magazine from feb 2012 at work and the one article is about SWA taking delivery of a new 737-700. In this articl
199 dynamicsguy : A couple of bits of news have come up recently on the Boeing internal news site. No link I'm afraid. Firstly, the first set of wings which requires no
200 Post contains images SCL767 : Exciting week ahead for LAN! Very interesting indeed as LN80 will be the third 787 for LAN (CC-BBC).
201 Post contains images brindabella : IIRC, LN64 was the changeover frame - the first one to go from the final position straight to Pre-Flight(?). So, looking at the pattern, it appears t
202 Someone83 : That was 66
203 brindabella : Thanks for that; I guess what I'm trying to get a grip on is how B is managing this complex task ... it is imperative, IMO, to crank the assembly-lin
204 Post contains images lightsaber : Good to hear. That should allow the initial line to accelerate a little too. All looks to be ahead of schedule for the production rate increase that
205 sunrisevalley : Boeing has been quiet on the weight target so far as I know. Any insider opinion on this? Too bad the question was not asked at the recent earnings c
206 NYC777 : I got confirmation from Boeing of the activation of the temporary surge line: "Boeing activated the temporary surge line on Aug. 24 by loading the fir
207 NYC777 : Hearing from a reporter in Charleston that the AI delivery may not happen until tomorrow. or even later. Anyone have information on this?
208 Post contains links rotating14 : http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/ai...first-boeing-787-dreamliner-259235 Well according to this article, it goes along with what you are saying in re
209 Post contains images aeroblogger : VT-ANH flyout is delayed due to some paperwork issues. Ugh They are hoping for tomorrow around lunchtime...
210 Post contains images ferpe : A Boeing spokesperson has been quoted as saying the LN90 frame will be "close to the weight target but not quite there, we have some more work to do"
211 NYC777 : What kind of paperwork issues? I thought that was all taken care of on Friday? Do you know if the contractual delivery completed on Friday?
212 NYC777 : What? Somoeone forgot their corporate credit card at home and now they have to fly back to Delhi to get it so they can pay Boeing? Ok found out the r
213 Post contains links NYC777 : Boeing's Randy Tinseth has a nice summary of the surge line along with pictures: http://boeingblogs.com/randy/archives/2012/08/surge_line.html
214 Post contains links and images lightsaber : Sometimes it is good to go back and re-read some comments. I was under the impression that Boeing structurally changed the 787 after the first few exa
215 NYC777 : I think deliveries of both "fresh off the line" and re-worked airplanes will be about 6-10 per month for he next 5-6 months but as the older change i
216 NYC777 : Air India delivery will not be tomorrow but now sometime this week. I'm not even going to try and venture a guess.
217 Post contains images lightsaber : Interesting. Perhaps I sampled the crow too early? I think the deliveries will happen to AI soon. The log jam just needs another push to clear. Agree
218 Post contains images rotating14 : The pilots that AI canned over the training spat is looking like it is over. Over 50 reinstated in the last week. Hopefully that translates into more
219 Post contains images aeroblogger : Delivery did not occur Friday Ministry of Law and Justice sign off did not happen after all. The union leaders have been sacked, and everyone else tak
220 NYC777 : Sources said it'll be sometime this week but not tomorrow (Tuesday). LEt see what happens but now I'm not trusting anything that comes out about a de
221 817Dreamliiner : And so we're back to square 1. Its a never endig story with these people.[Edited 2012-08-27 18:42:42]
222 aeroblogger : I agree. Until the aircraft takes off or an official press release comes out from Boeing, there's no point in even speculating.
223 JoeCanuck : Maybe they're waiting so they can compare it with the 350...or 777x.
224 PHX787 : Rumor: weather delay? Either way this isn't the least bit surprising
225 Post contains links KarelXWB : It's definitely LN57 http://paineairport.com/kpae5341.htm
226 NYC777 : It's neither. The airplane that went into the paint hangar is LN 71 for Ethiopian.
227 BLRAviation : Me thinks it is a Prime Minister delay. VT-ANH was supposed to land in Delhi Wednesday and be shown off to the political brass, but by then the PM wi
228 Post contains images bestwestern : Now that AI are taking delivery, who are we going to complian about?
229 NYC777 : Well they haven't taken delivery and now delivery to AI is listed as TBD by Boeing so obviouslky we can keep complaiing about them. I bet they do thi
230 JoeCanuck : We'll always have AI.
231 BLRAviation : As per folks inside the airline it is a payment problem. It is surprising if the delivery was done on paper last Friday. As you said, who knows, and
232 aeroblogger : Paper delivery wasn't completed. An hour before it was done, it turned out that AI didn't have some necessary approvals, so the payment couldn't happ
233 kanban : With the amount of space taken up by the AI mess, we should have made it a separate thread... hindsight is so wonderful. Since number one and two have
234 Post contains images RobK : Does anyone really care? That those do can find the saga covered in greater depth on the relevant Indian aviation thread in this forum.
235 aeroblogger : Financing is not a problem. The problem is the ridiculous process AI must go through to get anything done. I have still not been able to find somebod
236 Post contains images jumpjets : Maybe they approve the seat covers are up to scratch....
237 Post contains images Stitch : Maybe whoever approved the interior fabric choices is trying to save their job. [Edited 2012-08-28 09:25:35]
238 Post contains images PHX787 : Ohhhh so that's a registered delay in the ATC systems now
239 KarelXWB : Interesting, so not all Ethiopian frames will go to Texas for painting. In other news, Matt Cawby just tweeted the following:
240 Post contains images SCL767 : That's fantastic! Looking forward to seeing his photos of LAN's second B-787.
241 ER757 : Did QR #1 get delivered? I haven't seen anything but I believe it was due to take place over the weekend? Couldn't agree more - the whole situation is
242 rotating14 : According to the All Things 787 blog its slated for a 8-30-12 delivery.
243 mham001 : The thread jumped the shark long ago with too much chit-chat about the AI clowns, their financing, their vacations, their politics, their governmenta
244 Post contains images lightsaber : I think I ate the crow too early... That individual deserves a life on the run... Lightsaber
245 United787 : I don't know the answer but on a related note, I would love to see if someone is tracking the time between body join to delivery. An A-Netter with ti
246 Post contains links kanban : agreed and interim comments should be placed on the Indian Aviation Thread # 99 (by aeroblogger Aug 8 2012 in Civil Aviation)
247 dynamicsguy : It's not a proper answer to the question, but in the last 8 or 9 months while I've regularly been watching the number of airframes at Paine field (in
248 vikramv1 : At this rate , LAN, UA and other carriers would have taken delivery of their 787 frames, while AI will still be twiddling thumbs on new issues as to w
249 flightsimer : Glad to hear LAN can still be in the first five to receive. Can't wait for Thursday, as hopefully we will get our 4th and 5th operators. It would be a
250 Post contains links SCL767 : Here is LN74 CC-BBB outside of the factory with a B763 in front of her: http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/7884689696/in/photostream/
251 pnwtraveler : That is a great shot because it shows how much bigger a 787 is while retaining the overall look of the proportions of a 767. One of the reasons the 7
252 NYC777 : It appears that another Ethiopian 787 has bee npushed outside from 40-26 to the fuel dock. This would be LN 75, ZA264. It also looks like that LN 73,
253 mham001 : One more time....does anybody here know how long it is taking Boeing to push the plane through the factory?
254 Post contains links NYC777 : Looks like LN 66 (ZA135, JA815A) will be making its first flight today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE135
255 sweair : I have read 8.3 days..Dont know if that is correct.
256 KarelXWB : The current rate in Everett is 3.5 aircraft a month. 30 / 3.5 = 8.5
257 WarpSpeed : Clarification requested: Is Boeing Everett producing 3.5 787s a month or are Boeing's two FALs jointly producing 3.5/month? If the former, it would i
258 NYC777 : Really it's just the Everett line as CHS is not even producing 1/month. Theirs is a slow ramp up.
259 NYC777 : ZA135 (LN 66, JA815A) is now on its B-1 flight.
260 WarpSpeed : The 6th B1 flight in August. An impressive rate for the 787 program and hopefully a sign of many happy deliveries to come...
261 Post contains images RobK : The CSN was due to fly yesterday but didn't happen. JA824J is due to fly this Friday, the next AIC due to fly Saturday and then the next QTR to fly o
262 KarelXWB : Everett is producing 3.5 frames a month according to Boeing. It's easily to check: the latest roll out is LN75 and the first clean roll out was LN66
263 WarpSpeed : Thanks for the calculations! Add KCHS to the mix and producing 5/month by the end of 2012 company-wide does not seem like too much of a stretch.[Edit
264 rotating14 : Is this their second one or first one??
265 RobK : 4th and 2nd respectively.
266 Post contains images 757gb : I've said this before in the past, but thanks NYC777 for maintaining such a solid source of information for us 787 fans. It's a great one stop source
267 WarpSpeed : Agreed! Also, I'd like to heap on the praise for Matt Cawby and his blog. Taken together, Matt and Uresh are the eyes and ears for us fans....
268 757gb : Agree completely... thanks for adding that!
269 NYC777 : Thanks guys! I appreciate it. There's a new post up.
270 Post contains images 757gb : Well, the day is very near... looking forward to that beautiful LAN 787 in the Southern Cone!
271 lightsaber : Interesting factoid from that post: This is where things get interesting. According to sources, there are now 11 787s that are potentially have the a
272 Post contains images SCL767 : Now it's quite possible that a contractual delivery has already been made on CC-BBA. The formal delivery ceremonies are scheduled for later today and
273 Post contains links SA7700 : This thread has become quite long and will be locked for further contributions. Any posts added after the thread lock will be removed for housekeeping
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