jfritz From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 51 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13166 times:
Flew in and out of AZA the last couple of days and it wasn't busy. It was mostly GA aircraft and practice approaches into the ILS. I flew out of there an hour ago and the Tower was down to a single frequency and he also was doing ground. I'm curious PHX787 do you think it can remain a Class D with the influx of commercial traffic or does it need to be Class C?
Looks like a FlightAware anomaly. That flight was a repo ferry and landed a few hours ago in PHX. It looks like they might have re-filed or had some change in their flight plan somewhere over Oklahoma City which is what threw the tracking off.
There's another CLT-PHX ferry airborne at the moment as well:
treebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 585 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 13116 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6): I haven't been over there in a while but someone on the previous thread posted that it was under construction now?
Construction hasn't started yet but it is part of the airports growth plans. They probably won't break ground on it until the new SR24 freeway is completed which will run along the east side of the airport.
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6510 posts, RR: 16 Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 13102 times:
Quoting wn676 (Reply 9): That flight was a repo ferry and landed a few hours ago in PHX. It looks like they might have re-filed or had some change in their flight plan somewhere over Oklahoma City which is what threw the tracking off.
Ohhh Repo ferry? So it's not going to be flying with US anymore (whatever aircraft that is?)
One of the FB admins for PHX Spotters. "Zach the Expat!"
runzel From Australia, joined Dec 2011, 23 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12936 times:
PHX787 Post 262 August 12
(Well the terminal four garage is accessible by car. The only problem is there's about a four-foot wall at the top of the garage preventing people from falling onto the tarmac. I also frequent the Air Lane location but between the road and the fence there's a guard-rail and a rough shoulder.)
My apologies for tardiness is responding to and expressing gratitude for your advice; circumstances denied me access to this medium.
Next visit to PHX I shall follow and explore fully your suggestions.
Thank you for taking the trouble to respond to my request.
treebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 585 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12809 times:
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 18): Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 16):
Looks like US is dropping PHX-GYM effective 27OCT, leaving GYM without any international service.
Hmm doesn't look like that route was any profitable anyway.
I think the ultimate reason for the route being dropped is the withdrawal of the Dash-8s from PHX, right now it's being flown with 50 seat CRJ-200s which is not the optimal aircraft for the route. PHX-GYM has been flown for years now, It first was flown with Mesa Airlines Beech 1900Ds for America West Express before being upgraded to the Dash-8-200, which is what it remained operating with up until very recently. It's my view that there aren't many routes that a CR2 can be used on profitably.
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1): When will the airspace class around AZA be upgraded?
As I mentioned in the previous threat, no time soon. Realistically, no sooner than 2016 -- more likely closer to 2020. Developing the airspace itself isn't inherently complicated (well, it is for me, but not the smart guys who make that crap at P50), but the inevitable legal battles and discussion of every single detail with endless workgroups will tie it up for years.
Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 16):
Looks like US is dropping PHX-GYM effective 27OCT, leaving GYM without any international service.
I have no idea if this is true or not, but I heard from my old roommates (former YV rampers) that the GYM fire department would have to come to the runway and act as airfield lighting if the GYM flight left delayed. Somehow it wouldn't surprise me. I guess if they aren't running the DH8B anymore, they don't really have a suitable aircraft for the route -- a CRJ2 would be too big for such a thin route.
Anyone have any ideas what this "big announcement" is for tomorrow at 11am at IWA?
treebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 585 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12546 times:
Well if it's as big of announcement as they are alluding to then I personally doubt that it will be anything like IWA-BLV. It could be G4 starting AZA to Hawaii, but thats not to likely either. It will be interesting to see what they say tomorrow. I wonder if it has to do with their plans for the new terminal that would be on the east side of the airport.
25 PHX787: This is what I'm guessing. HNL from AZA. It should be a good route.
26 BA744PHX: so its AZA-HNL starting Feb 8th 3 weekly.... now thats awesome [Edited 2012-08-21 03:09:52]
27 PHX787: I guess a huge "Hell Yeah!" is an order for AZA right now Are these the EMB Legacy aircraft or normal 35 seaters?
28 dlramp4life: Im gonna say they are the 35 seaters because charter buses will drop the pax off in the early morning hours at the TechJet terminal which is right up
29 atcsundevil: E135s Something tells me the airport is going to be a complete mess when those things depart/arrive.
30 treebeard787: Oh I don't know, it probably won't be too different from 3-4 MD-80s departing or arriving at the same time.
31 skyharborshome: Those of us who fly out of CHD and maybe even FFZ already closely watch the IWA airspace. I believe it extends just 3 miles from CHD. So I think you
32 aztrainer: What about Falcon Field as I think the runways run almost directly at Falcon and it is less than 5 miles from AWA. WOW, That makes a lot of flight to
33 BA744PHX: So what can we expect next from AZA? as of right now 4 of the top 10 destinations from PHX are now/will be served out of AZA. I would think LAX, SAN o
34 treebeard787: It's actually less service than we had a few years ago, at one point we had 3 daily to HNL on US B752s, the daily 763 by HA and daily flights run by
35 Falcon Flyer: Is US struggling with the competition from SW on Phoenix-Florida routes? Just glanced at the US timetable, PHX-FLL is down to 6 weekly and PHX-MCO is
36 treebeard787: I think AZA-MSP has the potential to be a very good route as PHX-MSP supports as many as 13 daily flights by US, DL, WN and SY in the winter time, wi
37 BA744PHX: Well it looks like AA will increase PHX-MIA to 2 daily, new flight loaded AA 1904 red eye from PHX - MIA starting in December
38 BA744PHX: I could see within the next 2 years Los Angeles - NK 1 daily, or DL 2 daily express San Diego - not really sure who would go for this, but very large
39 dlramp4life: AA does not have any redeyes at PHX. Is it a seasonal route for the holidays? Also the equipment type will be a 737-800 I assume.
40 BA744PHX: Well they do now. Its currently loaded until July which is when AA schedule is loaded.
41 wn676: Just your typical fall pulldown. Looking at the WN timetable, they don't serve PHX-FLL nonstop next month, and are down to 1 daily each on PHX-MCO/TP
42 wn676: US didn't start operating the third HNL flight until late 2010, and it's been part of the flex schedule ever since. Regardless, the frequency of flig
43 PHX787: Well it is a good market, i think. The HA flight in particular is looking at fares ROUND TRIP, FEES in ALL! for $370. I think they're doing quite wel
44 asqx: Given Alaska's gradual reduction of flights to PHX over the years I doubt they have any interest in servimg both PHX and AZA. When I was working for
45 dlramp4life: A really long time..... if ever.... Also a terminal move might be in the works
46 stasisLAX: Does SY still run one flight a day from PHX to MSP or is SY running more MSP on a year-round flights. I seem to remember that SY only offered seasona
47 PHX787: IIRC the SY flight is winter seasonal indeed. Therefore any service to AZA (given SY doesn't upgrade it to year long) would be seasonal as well. edit
48 TUSdawg23: Hi guys, As someone who lives just down the road in TUS, I always like to keep an eye at what's going on at PHX. I wanted to ask for some opinions on
49 PHX787: Well AM flies from Hermosillo (?) to PHX but it's AM express. I've wondered too why AM doesn't have anything from PHX to MEX. I can possibly see one
50 point2point: I would wonder if the anti-immigration law that Arizona passed a few years ago (and which has basically been struck down by the USSC) is in play here
51 SANFan: This doesn't seem like a real head-scratcher to me. I'll repeat my post (#224) from the previous "PHX Av" thread: Watching the kind of city-pairs NK
52 atcsundevil: Yep, the surrounding airports (and all of the PHX traffic) really complicate things. Not to mention terrain. When G4 departs from the 30s -- which is
53 PHX787: Question: Who has flown into/been near Stellar Airpark? What's it like over there? That's what I'm thinking too, but the "who" part is what is stumpin
54 Maverick623: I doubt it. I'm guessing it has more to do with the general economic downturn, plus the drop in Mexican tourism than anything. Plus, with the excepti
55 dlramp4life: How is SY moving to AZA good for SY? Don't forget that SY has a major mail contract with the USPS and AZA does not have a postal office or freight wa
56 PHX787: Ahh I didn't know that. Thanks for telling me IIRC it was on a CR9 a few years back too. Any good spotting there? How many ops per day, on average? Y
57 dlramp4life: This time last year MEM-PHX had two flights a day and a overnighter, all CR9s. Actually this time last year DL had three overnighting CRJs
58 treebeard787: NW started MEM-PHX with a daily A319 and then it eventually went to 2x daily flights on Compass E-175s which it stayed with for awhile before going to
59 treebeard787: Stellar P19 is pretty quiet on most days with just occasional Cessna's and other small light aircraft. Every now and then you might see a small priva
60 PHX787: Is US still flying this route or no? Do they have some stuff up on Flightaware? I just did a search and looks like flightaware isn't working for me r
61 skyharborshome: I am really starting to love this thread. Hope I do not confuse by 'contributing' to multiple conversations at once. Promise I am not trying to be pic
62 Falcon Flyer: Agreed. I'm surprised GYM lasted as long as it did with the CRJ but even with reduced weekly frequencies, it's just not a 50 seat market. I just flew
63 skyharborshome: Well, if WN can take over AirTran and be in Atlanta, maybe they will buck another business model and launch a red-eye from PHX to ATL. I know, I know
64 PHX787: Welcome and contribute everything you know Hmm that sounds quite interesting. I, too, when I get rich and famous, will buy a house there
65 treebeard787: No, currently DL is the only passenger carrier on the route. If it's an IFR flight it will be on Flightaware, otherwise it won't show up. I know on S
66 dlramp4life: DL has a redeye from PHX to ATL everyday.... I believe US has some evening flights as well
67 wn676: Yep, ATL is part of a whole bank of eastbound redeyes when they're operating on flex. US flew 733s on this route for a short while as well, back in 2
68 BA744PHX: G4 AZA-STC now bookable starting 12/15 twice weekly
69 PHX787: Anyone's house flood from the storms last night? That was nuts! More G4 routes! Awesome. That redeye seems very popular --- Unrelated note: A close fr
70 aztrainer: I agree, When I go to the Hawai'i I fly HA exclusively. It could also be that this population has less disposable income to fly back to Mexico than d
71 PHX787: From what I know about CP Air (if this is what you're referring to) they're pretty much set on PHX-CLD service. I don't see them using AZA, based off
72 hz747300: Agree Maverick. The reduction in services took place long before the replication of federal law took place. I think there are several things at play
73 aztrainer: Yes, that was the one I was thinking of in my post. If they were given a break at AZA/IWA don't you think that they would take it? PHX could of been
74 skyharborshome: I will be flying in there a little bit in the upcoming months but no one wants to sit around waiting for a Piper to land. Lots more action to see dow
75 PHX787: According to DLRamp4life NK is announcing a route between AZA and DEN. Direct competition with F9. What does this mean for the services at PHX, and so
76 dlramp4life: Actually SANfan is the one that broke the news: More Spirit Expansion In The West (by SANFan Aug 28 2012 in Civil Aviation) The FBO( Gateway Aviation
77 SANFan: Spirit seems to be on a roll here this week. As I posted elsewhere, I would not be shocked if they announce more new routes... and AZA-SAN would be a
78 PHX787: Thanks for the thread, SANfan! Maybe AS? Well maybe AS would be better off doing a SAN-PHX route
79 dlramp4life: Why? AS is doing fine going to PDX and SEA from PHX. They or QX do not need any other routes from PHX. I agree with SANfan, NK to SAN from AZA would
80 SANFan: Thank you both for the acknowledgements. Just trying to stay as current as possible! I spend a bit of time on this thread and enjoy it -- even though
81 PHX787: Thanks for YOUR acknowledgements This thread is very fun, especially when we have outside opinions chiming in. That way, we see how our airports here
82 dlramp4life: Oh all the snow birds will be back soon... They will be coming in by the plane load on SY and on the ground in RVs... Brace yourselfs PHX people
83 AirframeAS: I wouldn't count on any of that. AS does not consider PHX a focus city (AFAIK) for a while now. I don't think AS is interested in IWA. But, QX might.
84 Atrude777: I don't know how long this is lasting or why..but for the first time I can recall (this may have been done last year) US has taken PHX-STL to 4 times
85 wn676: On Flex days, PHX-STL is flown by 3 west and 1 east aircraft. The 04:45 arrival is flight 914, which is east metal. It's usually the same aircraft th
86 AirframeAS: You are kidding me! Are you going to get an OO transfer? You might like living in Ahwatukee. A very nice area to live in, IMO! I miss PHX. It is hard
87 skyharborshome: If we let you. I am still not happy with you and will veto a relocation. Well, you should try to somehow get a buddy pass on NK or F9 Like I mentione
88 RavenTech: Anyone know the story about a Windjet A32X flying low over Peoria yesterday. Couldn't find it on Flightaware at GYR or PHX. It was flying low heading
89 PHX787: Maybe it was a test flight. Yes indeed! Capitalism and it's benefits at work