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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14548 times:
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This is a continuation thread of part 1 which can be found by following this link: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 1

Please feel free to continue your discussion here and enjoy the website!


Regards,

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7639 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14494 times:

Hello All!

Welcome to part 2 of the PHX Aviation Thread!


I was originally intending on beginning part 2 a while back but I had no time, so here we are!

Talking points this time around:

Intel adding 1000+ jobs, effect on the airport?

F9 beginning service to AZA

When will the airspace class around AZA be upgraded?

As ATCSundevil said

Quoting atcsundevil:
You have much to learn, grasshopper.

I have much to learn! So lets continue to teach each other here.

NOW something to get everyone started off right:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7u2c9Mg04I

Enjoy the heat    and go Devils!

-PHX787



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 937 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14445 times:

Saw the Raiders loading up on the HA 767 with Raiders logo on it last night. Thought that was pretty cool

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
Intel adding 1000+ jobs, effect on the airport?

Maybe in upgrade on some equipment types on some high profile routes but I think it will be business as usual.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
F9 beginning service to AZA

Any word about if they are bringing on F9 staff or outsourcing?



PHX Ramp, hottest place on earth
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7639 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14429 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 2):
Saw the Raiders loading up on the HA 767 with Raiders logo on it last night. Thought that was pretty cool

I saw it land the other day. it was one sight to see! I hope someone caught it on camera



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User currently offlinejfritz From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14423 times:

Flew in and out of AZA the last couple of days and it wasn't busy. It was mostly GA aircraft and practice approaches into the ILS. I flew out of there an hour ago and the Tower was down to a single frequency and he also was doing ground. I'm curious PHX787 do you think it can remain a Class D with the influx of commercial traffic or does it need to be Class C?  

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14405 times:

Wasn't IWA going to build a whole brand new terminal on the other side of the airport at one point (the north side, closer to US60 side)? What ever happened to that plan?


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7639 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14402 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 5):
Wasn't IWA going to build a whole brand new terminal on the other side of the airport at one point (the north side, closer to US60 side)? What ever happened to that plan?

I haven't been over there in a while but someone on the previous thread posted that it was under construction now?



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User currently onlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1042 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14397 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 5):
Wasn't IWA going to build a whole brand new terminal on the other side of the airport at one point (the north side, closer to US60 side)? What ever happened to that plan?

It's still a part of their master plan:

http://www.phxmesagateway.org/Docume...r%20Plan%20Executive%20Summary.pdf



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7639 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14394 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 7):

I have a question for you:

What's up with this filing?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE9209



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User currently onlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1042 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14380 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 8):
I have a question for you:

What's up with this filing?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...E9209

Looks like a FlightAware anomaly. That flight was a repo ferry and landed a few hours ago in PHX. It looks like they might have re-filed or had some change in their flight plan somewhere over Oklahoma City which is what threw the tracking off.

There's another CLT-PHX ferry airborne at the moment as well:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE9210


[Edited 2012-08-18 15:00:31]


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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14373 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
I haven't been over there in a while but someone on the previous thread posted that it was under construction now?

Construction hasn't started yet but it is part of the airports growth plans. They probably won't break ground on it until the new SR24 freeway is completed which will run along the east side of the airport.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 8):
What's up with this filing?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...E9209

Just a repositioning flight with a typical Flightaware error.

[Edited 2012-08-18 15:02:37]


Allons-y!
User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 583 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14364 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
Intel adding 1000+ jobs, effect on the airport?

Little to none as Intel already has 10,300 employees in the Chandler Fab plants.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 2):
Saw the Raiders loading up on the HA 767 with Raiders logo on it last night. Thought that was pretty cool

Yes, HA has the Seahawks and Raiders. That would of been nice to see a HA flight land during the daytime.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7639 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14359 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 9):
That flight was a repo ferry and landed a few hours ago in PHX. It looks like they might have re-filed or had some change in their flight plan somewhere over Oklahoma City which is what threw the tracking off.

Ohhh Repo ferry? So it's not going to be flying with US anymore (whatever aircraft that is?)



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14355 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 11):

I thought the Seahawks are using DL this year per the 2012 NFL Charters thread that is currently ongoing in CivAv.



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User currently onlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1042 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 14330 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 12):
Ohhh Repo ferry? So it's not going to be flying with US anymore (whatever aircraft that is?)

Repo as in reposition, not repossession. My bad.



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 583 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14270 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):

I thought the Seahawks are using DL this year per the 2012 NFL Charters thread that is currently ongoing in CivAv.

Oh, that could be. I thought I read that all of the charters were the same. I am surprised that HA has the planes left to do these charters.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5653 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14235 times:

Looks like US is dropping PHX-GYM effective 27OCT, leaving GYM without any international service.


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User currently offlinerunzel From Australia, joined Dec 2011, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14193 times:

Quoting/Responding/THANKING !

PHX787 Post 262 August 12

(Well the terminal four garage is accessible by car. The only problem is there's about a four-foot wall at the top of the garage preventing people from falling onto the tarmac. I also frequent the Air Lane location but between the road and the fence there's a guard-rail and a rough shoulder.)

My apologies for tardiness is responding to and expressing gratitude for your advice; circumstances denied me access to this medium.

Next visit to PHX I shall follow and explore fully your suggestions.

Thank you for taking the trouble to respond to my request.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7639 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14119 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 16):
Looks like US is dropping PHX-GYM effective 27OCT, leaving GYM without any international service.

Hmm doesn't look like that route was any profitable anyway.

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 15):
Oh, that could be. I thought I read that all of the charters were the same. I am surprised that HA has the planes left to do these charters.

I was surprised too but they do have a decent fleet size. Maybe the repositioned a 330 to take over the slack of something lost.

Quoting wn676 (Reply 14):
Repo as in reposition, not repossession. My bad.

Thanks for the clarity!  
Quoting runzel (Reply 17):
Thank you for taking the trouble to respond to my request.

  No problem!



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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14066 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 18):
Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 16):
Looks like US is dropping PHX-GYM effective 27OCT, leaving GYM without any international service.

Hmm doesn't look like that route was any profitable anyway.

I think the ultimate reason for the route being dropped is the withdrawal of the Dash-8s from PHX, right now it's being flown with 50 seat CRJ-200s which is not the optimal aircraft for the route. PHX-GYM has been flown for years now, It first was flown with Mesa Airlines Beech 1900Ds for America West Express before being upgraded to the Dash-8-200, which is what it remained operating with up until very recently. It's my view that there aren't many routes that a CR2 can be used on profitably.



Allons-y!
User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3022 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13988 times:

Quoting runzel (Reply 17):
Next visit to PHX I shall follow and explore fully your suggestions.

And usually you can go to the topmost parking level and, with it being mostly empty, just pull your vehicle along the wall and view from there if it is a van/ SUV etc. Keeps you in your A/C too.



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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1208 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 13850 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
Intel adding 1000+ jobs, effect on the airport?

Well, technically a little. Intel uses Techjet, not air carriers. They run Embraers to SJC and elsewhere. For example: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/TEC644

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
When will the airspace class around AZA be upgraded?

As I mentioned in the previous threat, no time soon. Realistically, no sooner than 2016 -- more likely closer to 2020. Developing the airspace itself isn't inherently complicated (well, it is for me, but not the smart guys who make that crap at P50), but the inevitable legal battles and discussion of every single detail with endless workgroups will tie it up for years.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 16):

Looks like US is dropping PHX-GYM effective 27OCT, leaving GYM without any international service.

I have no idea if this is true or not, but I heard from my old roommates (former YV rampers) that the GYM fire department would have to come to the runway and act as airfield lighting if the GYM flight left delayed. Somehow it wouldn't surprise me. I guess if they aren't running the DH8B anymore, they don't really have a suitable aircraft for the route -- a CRJ2 would be too big for such a thin route.


Anyone have any ideas what this "big announcement" is for tomorrow at 11am at IWA?


User currently offlineba744phx From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 13836 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 21):
Anyone have any ideas what this "big announcement" is for tomorrow at 11am at IWA?

Seeing how BLV is also announcing a route tomorrow could be G4 linking the 2. I would rather see HNL or OGG from G4 instead....


User currently offlineacjflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 427 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13817 times:

It will be interesting to see what PHX Mesa Gateway Airport has in store for us tomorrow. Their facebook page has the following as their current status -

"If you like what's been happening out at Gateway, you're going to LOVE what you hear tomorrow! We have a press conference scheduled for 11:00 a.m.! Stay tuned..."


User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13803 times:

Well if it's as big of announcement as they are alluding to then I personally doubt that it will be anything like IWA-BLV. It could be G4 starting AZA to Hawaii, but thats not to likely either. It will be interesting to see what they say tomorrow. I wonder if it has to do with their plans for the new terminal that would be on the east side of the airport.


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25 PHX787 : This is what I'm guessing. HNL from AZA. It should be a good route.
26 Post contains images BA744PHX : so its AZA-HNL starting Feb 8th 3 weekly.... now thats awesome [Edited 2012-08-21 03:09:52]
27 Post contains images PHX787 : I guess a huge "Hell Yeah!" is an order for AZA right now Are these the EMB Legacy aircraft or normal 35 seaters?
28 dlramp4life : Im gonna say they are the 35 seaters because charter buses will drop the pax off in the early morning hours at the TechJet terminal which is right up
29 atcsundevil : E135s Something tells me the airport is going to be a complete mess when those things depart/arrive.
30 treebeard787 : Oh I don't know, it probably won't be too different from 3-4 MD-80s departing or arriving at the same time.
31 skyharborshome : Those of us who fly out of CHD and maybe even FFZ already closely watch the IWA airspace. I believe it extends just 3 miles from CHD. So I think you
32 aztrainer : What about Falcon Field as I think the runways run almost directly at Falcon and it is less than 5 miles from AWA. WOW, That makes a lot of flight to
33 BA744PHX : So what can we expect next from AZA? as of right now 4 of the top 10 destinations from PHX are now/will be served out of AZA. I would think LAX, SAN o
34 treebeard787 : It's actually less service than we had a few years ago, at one point we had 3 daily to HNL on US B752s, the daily 763 by HA and daily flights run by
35 Falcon Flyer : Is US struggling with the competition from SW on Phoenix-Florida routes? Just glanced at the US timetable, PHX-FLL is down to 6 weekly and PHX-MCO is
36 treebeard787 : I think AZA-MSP has the potential to be a very good route as PHX-MSP supports as many as 13 daily flights by US, DL, WN and SY in the winter time, wi
37 BA744PHX : Well it looks like AA will increase PHX-MIA to 2 daily, new flight loaded AA 1904 red eye from PHX - MIA starting in December
38 BA744PHX : I could see within the next 2 years Los Angeles - NK 1 daily, or DL 2 daily express San Diego - not really sure who would go for this, but very large
39 dlramp4life : AA does not have any redeyes at PHX. Is it a seasonal route for the holidays? Also the equipment type will be a 737-800 I assume.
40 BA744PHX : Well they do now. Its currently loaded until July which is when AA schedule is loaded.
41 wn676 : Just your typical fall pulldown. Looking at the WN timetable, they don't serve PHX-FLL nonstop next month, and are down to 1 daily each on PHX-MCO/TP
42 wn676 : US didn't start operating the third HNL flight until late 2010, and it's been part of the flex schedule ever since. Regardless, the frequency of flig
43 PHX787 : Well it is a good market, i think. The HA flight in particular is looking at fares ROUND TRIP, FEES in ALL! for $370. I think they're doing quite wel
44 asqx : Given Alaska's gradual reduction of flights to PHX over the years I doubt they have any interest in servimg both PHX and AZA. When I was working for
45 dlramp4life : A really long time..... if ever.... Also a terminal move might be in the works
46 stasisLAX : Does SY still run one flight a day from PHX to MSP or is SY running more MSP on a year-round flights. I seem to remember that SY only offered seasona
47 PHX787 : IIRC the SY flight is winter seasonal indeed. Therefore any service to AZA (given SY doesn't upgrade it to year long) would be seasonal as well. edit
48 TUSdawg23 : Hi guys, As someone who lives just down the road in TUS, I always like to keep an eye at what's going on at PHX. I wanted to ask for some opinions on
49 PHX787 : Well AM flies from Hermosillo (?) to PHX but it's AM express. I've wondered too why AM doesn't have anything from PHX to MEX. I can possibly see one
50 Post contains images point2point : I would wonder if the anti-immigration law that Arizona passed a few years ago (and which has basically been struck down by the USSC) is in play here
51 SANFan : This doesn't seem like a real head-scratcher to me. I'll repeat my post (#224) from the previous "PHX Av" thread: Watching the kind of city-pairs NK
52 atcsundevil : Yep, the surrounding airports (and all of the PHX traffic) really complicate things. Not to mention terrain. When G4 departs from the 30s -- which is
53 PHX787 : Question: Who has flown into/been near Stellar Airpark? What's it like over there? That's what I'm thinking too, but the "who" part is what is stumpin
54 Maverick623 : I doubt it. I'm guessing it has more to do with the general economic downturn, plus the drop in Mexican tourism than anything. Plus, with the excepti
55 dlramp4life : How is SY moving to AZA good for SY? Don't forget that SY has a major mail contract with the USPS and AZA does not have a postal office or freight wa
56 Post contains images PHX787 : Ahh I didn't know that. Thanks for telling me IIRC it was on a CR9 a few years back too. Any good spotting there? How many ops per day, on average? Y
57 dlramp4life : This time last year MEM-PHX had two flights a day and a overnighter, all CR9s. Actually this time last year DL had three overnighting CRJs
58 treebeard787 : NW started MEM-PHX with a daily A319 and then it eventually went to 2x daily flights on Compass E-175s which it stayed with for awhile before going to
59 treebeard787 : Stellar P19 is pretty quiet on most days with just occasional Cessna's and other small light aircraft. Every now and then you might see a small priva
60 PHX787 : Is US still flying this route or no? Do they have some stuff up on Flightaware? I just did a search and looks like flightaware isn't working for me r
61 skyharborshome : I am really starting to love this thread. Hope I do not confuse by 'contributing' to multiple conversations at once. Promise I am not trying to be pic
62 Falcon Flyer : Agreed. I'm surprised GYM lasted as long as it did with the CRJ but even with reduced weekly frequencies, it's just not a 50 seat market. I just flew
63 skyharborshome : Well, if WN can take over AirTran and be in Atlanta, maybe they will buck another business model and launch a red-eye from PHX to ATL. I know, I know
64 Post contains images PHX787 : Welcome and contribute everything you know Hmm that sounds quite interesting. I, too, when I get rich and famous, will buy a house there
65 treebeard787 : No, currently DL is the only passenger carrier on the route. If it's an IFR flight it will be on Flightaware, otherwise it won't show up. I know on S
66 dlramp4life : DL has a redeye from PHX to ATL everyday.... I believe US has some evening flights as well
67 wn676 : Yep, ATL is part of a whole bank of eastbound redeyes when they're operating on flex. US flew 733s on this route for a short while as well, back in 2
68 BA744PHX : G4 AZA-STC now bookable starting 12/15 twice weekly
69 PHX787 : Anyone's house flood from the storms last night? That was nuts! More G4 routes! Awesome. That redeye seems very popular --- Unrelated note: A close fr
70 aztrainer : I agree, When I go to the Hawai'i I fly HA exclusively. It could also be that this population has less disposable income to fly back to Mexico than d
71 PHX787 : From what I know about CP Air (if this is what you're referring to) they're pretty much set on PHX-CLD service. I don't see them using AZA, based off
72 Post contains images hz747300 : Agree Maverick. The reduction in services took place long before the replication of federal law took place. I think there are several things at play
73 aztrainer : Yes, that was the one I was thinking of in my post. If they were given a break at AZA/IWA don't you think that they would take it? PHX could of been
74 skyharborshome : I will be flying in there a little bit in the upcoming months but no one wants to sit around waiting for a Piper to land. Lots more action to see dow
75 Post contains images PHX787 : According to DLRamp4life NK is announcing a route between AZA and DEN. Direct competition with F9. What does this mean for the services at PHX, and so
76 Post contains links dlramp4life : Actually SANfan is the one that broke the news: More Spirit Expansion In The West (by SANFan Aug 28 2012 in Civil Aviation) The FBO( Gateway Aviation
77 Post contains images SANFan : Spirit seems to be on a roll here this week. As I posted elsewhere, I would not be shocked if they announce more new routes... and AZA-SAN would be a
78 Post contains images PHX787 : Thanks for the thread, SANfan! Maybe AS? Well maybe AS would be better off doing a SAN-PHX route
79 dlramp4life : Why? AS is doing fine going to PDX and SEA from PHX. They or QX do not need any other routes from PHX. I agree with SANfan, NK to SAN from AZA would
80 Post contains images SANFan : Thank you both for the acknowledgements. Just trying to stay as current as possible! I spend a bit of time on this thread and enjoy it -- even though
81 Post contains images PHX787 : Thanks for YOUR acknowledgements This thread is very fun, especially when we have outside opinions chiming in. That way, we see how our airports here
82 dlramp4life : Oh all the snow birds will be back soon... They will be coming in by the plane load on SY and on the ground in RVs... Brace yourselfs PHX people
83 AirframeAS : I wouldn't count on any of that. AS does not consider PHX a focus city (AFAIK) for a while now. I don't think AS is interested in IWA. But, QX might.
84 Atrude777 : I don't know how long this is lasting or why..but for the first time I can recall (this may have been done last year) US has taken PHX-STL to 4 times
85 wn676 : On Flex days, PHX-STL is flown by 3 west and 1 east aircraft. The 04:45 arrival is flight 914, which is east metal. It's usually the same aircraft th
86 AirframeAS : You are kidding me! Are you going to get an OO transfer? You might like living in Ahwatukee. A very nice area to live in, IMO! I miss PHX. It is hard
87 Post contains images skyharborshome : If we let you. I am still not happy with you and will veto a relocation. Well, you should try to somehow get a buddy pass on NK or F9 Like I mentione
88 Post contains links RavenTech : Anyone know the story about a Windjet A32X flying low over Peoria yesterday. Couldn't find it on Flightaware at GYR or PHX. It was flying low heading
89 Post contains images PHX787 : Maybe it was a test flight. Yes indeed! Capitalism and it's benefits at work
90 dlramp4life : Maybe one of the new G4 airbuses?
91 skyharborshome : That was never made official right? I may have missed that announcement. I know they had that job posting which sparked the rumor but I failed to fol
92 Post contains links treebeard787 : It's been confirmed by G4 they are planning to acquire A319s and plan to have the first two enter service in the second quarter of 2013. http://ir.al
93 Post contains images PHX787 : Looked at the haneda application thread briefly and saw that US has 4 awarded slots in Japanese authority. Briefly and I'm not going back for details
94 wn676 : As cool as it would be, that's pretty much a guaranteed epic route fail. Probably not as bad as NGO, but still pretty bad.
95 Post contains links RavenTech : Possibly, if they are though I imagine that they would be unannounced orders given the airline didn't cease operation until a few weeks ago while All
96 Post contains links PHX787 : found an old article from '09, whatever happened to all of this? The economy? http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2009/08/10/daily61.html
97 atcsundevil : Hell no. I respect your optimism in hoping for a PHX-TYO flight, but it just won't happen. The odds of dying in a commercial airline crash is 1 in 29
98 hz747300 : And Tokyo is the most likely option for an Asian destination for PHX. If it is Tokyo, it would be NRT. I just don't see much support for this certain
99 Post contains links and images PHX787 : It would be nice to see JAL or NH come on to town. I think the 787 could do it easily http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...2/history/20120901/1451Z
100 dlramp4life : It could work with a 787 but there is no asia service demand for PHX. Now this interesting to me... Usually saturday is a slow day, I mean super slow
101 aztrainer : Great and just when it was safe to drive on the freeway in the high speed lane we will be getting the moving road blocks back.... yeah.... Could of i
102 SANFan : This is interesting. Are you including charter op's? Could you please clarify the widebody counts of these 3 cx at Sky Harbor? bb
103 dlramp4life : I can't give you numbers for AA or UA but all widebodies I have seen from those two are charter ops. DL will sub in a 767 like they did today on DL177
104 treebeard787 : The last US widebody that landed at PHX was a B767-200ER that stopped in for fuel on a CLT-HNL flight. A US 762 may have also visited as an NFL chart
105 Post contains images PHX787 : They flew it into AZA last year for heat testing. Apparently performed quite well (I think it landed in July?) Nice! I intend on taking this redeye t
106 Maverick623 : Can't say why it was flying, but it was low over the Loop 101 probably to stay out of the Class B, which starts at 4000MSL in that area, and followin
107 SANFan : Thanks to both of you. This is what I thought and why I asked for a clarification of the statement by you, dlramp', in reply #100. To the best of my
108 aztrainer : Yes and UPS (767), DHL (767), FedEx (MD-11F)
109 aztrainer : Does anyone know if the DHL 767 goes to LAX from PHX? I watched it leave the other day and it turned west. I also watched a video about morning T/O at
110 PHX787 : I think one of them goes to SAN or SFO, one of those two, and also of course to the DHL hub in CVG.
111 Post contains links chrisair : It goes to SAN. I see it occasionally landing early in the morning from CVG. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/G...5/history/20120901/0130Z/KSAN/KPH
112 wn676 : And FedEx MD-10s, A300s, and the occasional A310. UPS also brings in A300s. We had two last year; the Panthers charter in September and the Steelers
113 dlramp4life : Where do they park the 762s when they come to PHX? Besides the international gates US does not have any gate space for a widebody aircraft
114 wn676 : We actually do (or used to anyway). When we'd get the CLT-HNL diversions, they would go to either A14 or B14 which at the time had 767 blocks. They w
115 aztrainer : True, but it seems as I see less and less MD-10's and A-300's UPS seems to be bringing in the 757 more. Thanks for the responses to the DHL question.
116 Maverick623 : They usually ride on a US A320.
117 Post contains links wn676 : They still operate quite a few MD-10s through here, more than the single daily MD-11 at least. And believe it or not, UPS actually operated more A300
118 aztrainer : I know that UPS and FedEx flew the A-300's, but I have not seen one in awhile. Due to a change in classrooms, I no longer get a lovely view of final
119 PHX787 : I saw a 300 land the other night by either DHL or UPS (I couldn't see well, it was at night) but it was pretty large and in charge.
120 treebeard787 : It would have been a UPS or FedEx, DHL doesn't fly A300s into PHX, they use an Atlas Air B762 from PHX to SAN and CVG. I believe FedEx is planning to
121 dlramp4life : They do go everywhere. UA and HA sit out on the ramp area between T2 and air cargo west. DL uses gate 23,26,or 24 on T3 or executive. I have seen AC
122 PHX787 : For the high amounts I'm at PHX I rarely ever see anything at the executive terminal. Is there an FBO in there?
123 treebeard787 : There isn't an FBO in it. The last time I personally saw a charter park at the executive terminal it was a CO B737-900 and they unloaded the passenge
124 dlramp4life : Fiesta bowl charters will sometimes park over there. Air Force One/Two has parked over there. If DL has alot of of planes staying the night or has a p
125 PHX787 : So what's inside the building then? Administration?
126 wn676 : Airport police bureau.
127 PHX787 : I have a quick question for anyone who was around when LH had their ops here: How often did it fly, and was it weight restricted during the summer? -Z
128 Post contains images chrisair : Unicorns and rainbows. Sorry. Couldn't resist...
129 Post contains images PHX787 : Back to seriousness: According to the PHX Spotters page, an Air Atlanta plane is either in PHX now, scheduled to, or is in the process of departing t
130 dlramp4life : From what I have heard from coworkers at PHX, It was weight restricted. A340s and heat do not get along. As for when the route flew and how many time
131 Post contains images treebeard787 : It was a daily flight if I'm not mistaken, I know it was A340s for most of the time LH was in PHX but towards the end of the service it was being ope
132 Post contains images PHX787 : Quite a large haboob over sky harbor. Apparently there are two haboobs rolling through the valley. Cue the jokes Any diversions?
133 chrisair : It was fun watching it envelop the airport. I saw it getting started down in Casa Grande on my way up this afternoon. So much for my clean car. Both
134 Post contains images PHX787 : you were listening to the talk station too? that was hilarious when they mentioned that!
135 chrisair : It was on from earlier in the afternoon. Had to figure out why traffic was at a complete stop on the 10. Normally I can't stand those two morons on t
136 dlramp4life : Some, I guess a WN flight from ABQ-PHX had to divert in LAS but other then that I can not think of any. F9 had a A319 and a EMB175 on the ground at t
137 PHX787 : Which game? I'm gonna be at the ASU game that night! yeah the dust storm was brief but I lost all visibility driving around Rural and the lake.
138 dlramp4life : ASU and Illinois
139 93Sierra : Why does United park at gate 10 at terminal 2, I thought it was Alaskas gate?
140 yvphx : My father in law opened the LH station here in PHX as the station manager. Unfortunately shortly thereafter was 9/11. He was wisked off to DEN, then L
141 AirframeAS : F9 is packed to the gills year round now. I won't touch NK with a 10 foot pole. I've made it a rule when I lived in PHX that never wash cars in the s
142 chrisair : It is. I've never seen a UACO plane there, ever. I've seen UACO (mostly CO) park a few planes to the west of T2 near where T1 used to be. One is typi
143 dlramp4life : AS has one overnighting airplane so they have an empty gate. UACO had alot of RON planes tonight. They sometimes will use an AS gate to park a RON ai
144 asqx : Alaska has been subleting gate 10 to United for quite some time now. Mostly just for overnighters but once or twice I have seen United planes on gate
145 chrisair : Interesting. Whenever I've been on that 6a PHX-SEA flight, we've always left from gate 10. It used to always be gate 10 was for SEA flights and gate
146 93Sierra : Gate 10 does have Alaska titles on it, but more frequently of late especially around 730 onwards I have seen a UA 737 there. Thanks for the clarificat
147 dlramp4life : About four months or five months ago when light rail construction started on T3. With all the work being done there is no room for not even an RJ on
148 93Sierra : Thanks for the reply. When the light rail is completed do you know if AA will continue to use it? Has HA had to adjust operations at all?
149 dlramp4life : Well I think a merger might happen before the light rail is complete. So IDK about AA gates usage but it would be a perfect AE gate once all is comple
150 aztrainer : When would they leave? The kick-off is at 7:00 so I would think about a 00:00 departure? Got to love college football and the travel. I do not miss t
151 chrisair : Later than that. Games typically wrap up by 11ish. By the time everyone is done with the media formalities, showering etc, they're usually out of the
152 93Sierra : Why not move Alaska out of 2 and over 3? They code share with a carrier there and move hA over to 2 and allow UA to expand with T2. Just a thought.
153 Post contains images PHX787 : I've seen some DL 757 depart at about 3AM last year after a game. Woke up the neighbors who left their windows open They haven't re-set the HA gate y
154 aztrainer : I think it is more of the fact that HA has only one flight that arrives at 23:55 and leaves at 8:00 (or normally earlier). That is why I was wonderin
155 dlramp4life : Cannot confirm or deny this but AS might be moving their operations to be closer to DL in T3. Well they were in T4, I do not know why they moved to T
156 treebeard787 : When HA first started ops to PHX they used T4 and then eventually made the move to T3. I've always wondered why they moved since the times their flig
157 PHX787 : That's what I heard to....or at least, they were trying to. It sounds like a better idea
158 aztrainer : Agree, I knew about them using T-4 and then moving to T-3. I was simply stating that rather than having to deal with the problems of T-3 that they sh
159 dlramp4life : Heard last night that ATS is hiring ramp, cargo, and cleaning agents because they are taking over AA ramp and cleaning in October...[Edited 2012-09-11
160 egph : Hey guys, I was going to start up my own thread to ask this question but then I spotted this thread so thought it was just the place. I am just curiou
161 PHX787 : I think we've previously discussed and agreed that it does quite well, mostly for Phoenicians going to somewhere in Europe. While I don't know the sp
162 SANMAN66 : Try RDU. They have a daily AA flight to LHR.
163 PHX787 : CVG- DL to CDG PIT (i think) DL to CDG *maybe was cut? I forget*
164 SANFan : You also missed SAN which has been at only 1 intercontinental flight since June of 2011 -- also BA to LHR -- and will remain so until this December w
165 treebeard787 : There are a few other cities with only one long haul route, a few that come to mind are- DL PIT-CDG 752 BA TPA-LGW 772 AA RDU-LHR, 763 DL CVG-CDG, 76
166 egph : Thanks guys for all your responses. Have to say I suddenly remembered about the BA SAN route about 30 minutes after posting but interesting to see the
167 SANMAN66 : Just to throw in one more airport with one long haul route. That would be DL's SLC-CDG, if I'm not mistaken. I think DL's PIT-CDG is seasonal. At leas
168 Post contains images PHX787 : I just checked, you're right. Thanks Back on topic- (or whatever we call a topic) When does the BA flight start to go Daily ?
169 treebeard787 : It goes daily on December 1st.
170 Post contains images Maverick623 : Other way around The PHX-LHR segment consistently has load factors above 80%, and LHR-PHX is almost always >95%. Very few times have I seen it com
171 PHX787 : My bad! thanks! I'm actually surprised that it's this successful, but at the same time, pretty happy about it.
172 93Sierra : Plane missing from falcon field Enrooute payson 3 on board
173 Post contains links PHX787 : I couldn't find anything in the news. Is there any updates? **EDIT** Found on Fox10 http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/19...plane-destined-for-winslow
174 aztrainer : Does anyone know why the DOJ's Dash 8 Q-402 (N721AL) was in PHX today? Took off at about 1:50 and took me by surprise while spotting today..
175 Post contains links 93Sierra : http://www.azcentral.com/community/m...eckage-mesa-missing-plane-brk.html Aircraft is a piper archer FFZ to Winslow, 2 instructiskrs 1 student?
176 PHX787 : I hope you got a photo of it! I'm guessing prisoner transport but wouldn't it go to AZA instead?
177 Post contains images PHX787 : Excuse the double post: Sad no survivors From Fox 10's Facebook page.
178 aztrainer : Yes, I did and posted it on PHX Spotter's website in the government section They normally fly the MD's out of AZA and I have seen the transfer. It is
179 aztrainer : From the news this AM, they stated it was 1 - Norwegian Student Pilot 1 - US Instructor 1 - KLM Instructor They also said it appeared to of hit the s
180 Post contains links and images PHX787 : Anyone know why BA289 has taken such a skewey route today? Almost all the way to the north pole http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW289 RIP[Edited 2
181 wn676 : That's nowhere close to the pole. If you trust the FlightAware track, it was probably weather/wind related.
182 Post contains links PHX787 : I heard the Space Shuttle will be "overflying" the valley and that we could "see it." No other news. As per this: Fox10 Facebook Photo Anyone got anyt
183 Post contains links treebeard787 : It will be overflying Tucson at the request of Gabrielle Giffords. It will not be seen in the Phoenix area unfortunately. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs
184 Post contains images PHX787 : I hope someone with PHX Spotters heads down to TUS
185 Post contains images chrisair : Yet again, UA proves it is superior to ASU. It'll be flying over the Univ of Arizona Mall
186 Post contains images PHX787 : We'll see when the football game happens Anyone see a QR-bound 787 land in Yuma this morning? It's about to head back to PAE in a few hours.
187 Post contains links PHX787 : Good news for AZA: G4 Announces AZA-CPR (by EricR Sep 21 2012 in Civil Aviation) If AZA and G4 partnership should be called anything, I'm pretty sure
188 aztrainer : How is United Airlines better than ASU is how I first read that.... in all reality, I do not think this has anything to do with the U of A, but more
189 PSAJet17 : Actually, the request to fly over Tucson came from the guy she lives with...former astronaut Mark Kelly who was the commander on Endeavour’s final
190 PSAJet17 : Not sure of the route they took after the pass over Tucson, but one of the meteorologist from the Phoenix NWS station took a photo of it. I saw it me
191 Post contains images chrisair : I think you missed the sarcasm in my post. The planes that land over ASU aren't anywhere as interesting as this plane. It's either a US A32X or a WN
192 Post contains links and images PHX787 : A buddy of mine also took a photo and posted it on FB but again at 10000 feet, while still low, is too high for decent pictures. The top dogs at PHX
193 aztrainer : No, I knew and recognized the sarcasm. Family of ASU grads with wife getting a Ph.D. from ASU right now. Hey, we get luck sometimes and get a AS, UA,
194 BA744PHX : G4's biggest "hub" would be either SFB with 47 destinations or LAS with 44 destinations all depending on frequency. AZA is in 3rd place with 35 desti
195 chrisair : It did a slight S turn over campus. I was there. It went fairly close to the middle of campus on a southwesterly heading. Once a little south of camp
196 aztrainer : Thanks, that makes so much more sense as the way that they were talking I was expecting to see it much better from the U of A perspective. Did they a
197 Post contains links chrisair : Not that I could tell, but I didn't go down there. I was up on the Tyndall parking garage and got a great view of it. Lots of folks ventured up to th
198 PHX787 : Wow very beautiful photos! thanks for sharing! How low was he at this point ?
199 chrisair : My guess is about 1,500 ft up. That's what they were saying the altitude was scheduled to be. However, they also said the LAX fly bys were going to b
200 aztrainer : Chrisair, That second shot is killer.
201 4holer : Still trying to clarify... After the Shuttle flyby down in Tucson, it flew back north up over PHX enroute to California? I ask because I'd stood on th
202 Post contains links chrisair : Remember, they maxed out at 10,000 feet with the Shuttle on the SCA, so their route of flight is a little different than the typical TUS-LAX routing.
203 PSAJet17 : The standard routing from KTUS to KLAX is one of the SIDs direct to GBN, J104 to TNP and then an arrival route into KLAX.
204 PHX787 : Anyone snap any photos of the AA767 at East Cargo? Also I saw some strange thing yesterday- looked like a WN 737 was going around- but at a rather low
205 93Sierra : G4 is starting Iwa to telluride this fall
206 PHX787 : Here's the main question I have about G4- Can people "connect" here at AZA or not? It seems that G4 is somewhat like SkyBus in that aspect. I ask thi
207 phxpilot : Not Telluride (TEX) as such, but rather Montrose (MTJ)
208 dlramp4life : G4 doesn't connect. Even though AZA is a "hub" for G4 there is no bag and pax transfers. It is possible to connect on G4 but you would have to buy a
209 aztrainer : I wonder how this will effect their Hawai'i expansion idea. Knowing that US and HA flys to Hawai'i and (IMHO) with a lot less hassle than G4, will th
210 wn676 : I would assume G4 will do something similar to HA with an early AM departure and late PM arrival. The schedule that US has is better suited for conne
211 Post contains images PHX787 : That makes sense, but still I'm not sure how G4 will turn a profit on these routes if they can't connect well. It may just be the nickle-and-diming J
212 Post contains links PHX787 : Don't mean to double-post, but this was making news tonight on Fox 10: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km0awE1Q2HA Does anyone know anything about how
213 chrisair : This is nothing new. They do this nonsense all the time at LAX. Some idiot yells "CODE BRAVO" and all the little Smurfs scamper about telling you not
214 93Sierra : Was talking to a friend who works for a hospatality group that manages a number of hotels and he said that a certain regional airline ending with rhym
215 dlramp4life : Could it be AE as well? DL feed to LAX, SLC, and MEM is good on the regional market. I would UA is doing ok as well and they land alot of RJs in PHX
216 Post contains images Maverick623 : I was gonna say... Dash-8s aren't exactly G4's aircraft of choice The terminology and attitude is. In the "old" Bravo drills, you were prevented from
217 PHX787 : Well at least the terminal I frequent most hasn't had any sort of issues. All the fellas over on the North side have been quite courteous. Is OO inde
218 93Sierra : Sorry for not being a little more clearly, the before mentioned possible regional ops are rumored to be for AZA as the hotels are east valley
219 Post contains links dlramp4life : Throwback Thursday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZRIYCOHdI0
220 Post contains images PHX787 : let's make this a regular thing haha Pretty interesting to see Sky Harbor back in the day
221 Post contains links and images PHX787 : Got an ABC15 iPhone alert about a downed plane in S. Arizona. "Fiery" crash reported. RIP to the soul on board http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region...
222 Maverick623 : Looks like he tried to turn back while low and slow, and pancaked it in.
223 Post contains links Maverick623 : http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region...es-crash-mid-air-south-of-chandler Both planes landed safely. The girl sitting on the wing in the photo is a ve
224 PHX787 : Jeez what's going on here with air crashes in Arizona recently? Were any of those pilots student pilots? My buddy is a student pilot in FFZ and he sa
225 Maverick623 : It's not just a recent thing. Arizona is one of the busiest areas for GA traffic in the country, especially for flight training. I remember my first
226 aztrainer : That was good to see the diversity of PHX at that time and the old MX building that is where the crossover is now.[Edited 2012-10-06 08:21:46]
227 aztrainer : The sad thing about the video is TWA - Gone Northwest/Northwest Orient - Gone US Airways - Changed America West - Gone Midwest - Gone PSA - Gone
228 jfritz : It'll be interesting when the biz jet market recovers who gets the lump sum share of the traffic. I work and fly out of Deer Valley and have seen thei
229 Post contains images chrisair : Isn't this the other way around?
230 PHX787 : How long is Deer Valley's runway now, and how much traffic does it typically get? IIRC Isn't Scottsdale one of the busiest G.A. airports in the count
231 Maverick623 : The longer runway is 8197ft. It's one of the busiest single-runway airports in the US, but DVT handles over twice the traffic (and is the busiest air
232 aztrainer : Correct for the business model and whom is running the airline, but not for the name. Good luck getting traffic away from Scottsdale. I grew up in th
233 dlramp4life : Don't know if anybody else on here knew that a transformer crapped out on T-3 today. APS replaced it this evening but there was a good amount of backl
234 wn676 : Didn't this happen last year around the same time too?
235 Post contains links neveragain : A bit of old news, but AZA-LAS on Spirit underperformed and is now being withdrawn from this month. http://www.azcentral.com/business/ar...d-flights-
236 Post contains images PHX787 : yeah I think there was a thread or the OAG thread discussed it too. Spirit is instead competing with F9 from here to Denver. It seems like DEN flight
237 dlramp4life : Yes it did. But I think last year it was better handled but of course it happened at night. Yesterday people had to exit arriving planes via air stai
238 Maverick623 : It also happened at a better time last year... at night when the operations was winding down. This time it happened at a peak travel time...
239 allegiantflyer : NK really added DEN service from AZA. Wow they must be really stupid to do that move.They knew F9 was coming to town with that service so a bit latter
240 dlramp4life : This is true. Also I think sky train construction on the south end has limited some aircraft parking on that end as well. I see F9 doing very well ou
241 skyharborshome : Yeah, I am a student pilot at the school where the plane that landed at Gila is from. Have actually flown that plane and when I saw half the wing gon
242 PHX787 : When will the T-3 station be opened? Yeah from what I heard both flights have been doing quite well. Rumors are circulating that more service is goin
243 chrisair : I've heard 2015. Sure looks like they'll get it done sooner, but who knows. Can't wait for the east economy-->T4 link to be open in a few months (
244 93Sierra : Practice area 122.85 let's use it!
245 PHX787 : I believe the UA 764 is coming in tomorrow?
246 dlramp4life : It should be, it might be flying in the early afternoon because the team will be leaving at 5pm or so
247 Post contains links PHX787 : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...9/history/20121014/1715Z/KIAH/KPHX Apparently now a 763. Still, gonna be nice to see it. Anyone going out to th
248 dlramp4life : wow, I thought it was a 764. I will be there but when I get there for work the Bills will be long gone. If you want to get your widebody fix, DL will
249 PHX787 : I am flying on that DL 763 coming back from CVG-ATL-PHX in November.
250 Post contains links treebeard787 : United.com still is showing it as a 767-400ER for tomorrow, the seat map shows the flight is nearly sold out actually so this may just be a flightawa
251 dlramp4life : I will most likely be working that flight offloading the cans since there are only a select few that know how to work a widebody.
252 PHX787 : Im guessing it will be at T2?
253 wn676 : Yeah. Probably will arrive over at gate 3 (I think that's the widebody gate?) and then a tow over to the east cargo ramp for the charter.
254 PHX787 : That was probably the most uneventful landing I've ever seen. Was on top of T3 with a PHXSpotter member and he pretty much just laid it down on 7R wi
255 Post contains links and images treebeard787 : Here's a few shots I got today, the lighting was not very good however. United Airlines Boeing 767-400ER N66056 by KoryC757, on Flickr United Airlines
256 Post contains links and images PHX787 : It was good to meet you today! I like the second photo (the one on rollout) best because of the light. My video sadly didn't come out to well http://
257 Post contains links chrisair : Eh. Probably a heating element went (or was) bad. No big deal, unless you happen to be sitting in front of the window. Then you might want to change
258 Post contains links PHX787 : Pretty interesting read, thanks! http://avherald.com/h?article=45776068&opt=1 AVHerald all over it. Clearly nothing too serious.
259 treebeard787 : Good to meet you as well, maybe I'll see you out at PHX again some time. Thanks, I agree about the second image the lighting was the best on that one
260 PHX787 : Question: Is AS's presence at PHX growing? The last OAG thread showed that more flights were being added for May and June. is that normal?
261 Post contains links and images PHX787 : PHXSpotters began doing throwback thursday on their Facebook page. Since we didn't do it last week, I thought that it was just a one time thing. But I
262 chrisair : Looks like they're +1 in June from this summer. A 930p SEA-PHX flight and a 745a PHX-SEA flight (yay, no more horrific 4a wakeup calls to make that 6
263 PHX787 : According to PHXSpotters UA is sending the 787 here sometime on Monday. https://www.facebook.com/PHXSpotter/posts/382675395142356 Time unknown, anyone
264 dlramp4life : The morning from PHX to SEA is on a 739. Kind of interesting but if AS moves over by DL I could see some interlining going on
265 asqx : You mean more than the half dozen or so people every morning that show up in the wrong terminal looking for their Delta flight operated by Alaska or
266 chrisair : Their schedule to PDX/SEA has been bouncing around a lot lately. One day every flight is operated by a 734. Then it's a mix of 734s, 73G, 738 and 739
267 dlramp4life : You are just talking about PHX right? Right? I hear them complain all the time about leaving PHX. The flights that usually brings in interline bags i
268 asqx : Yup. Pretty much the only code sharing that doesn't come and go with the schedule changes are the LAX flights. There's quite a few outbound connectio
269 aztrainer : WOW, that would be great to see..... I wonder why United is bringing it to PHX? That would be wild to see the newest plane at the oldest terminal at
270 treebeard787 : UA is flying the 787 on several short haul domestic routes around their system to get crews familiarized with the aircraft, I know they were using it
271 Post contains images PHX787 : You all know which airline I'd like to see fly their 787 here I see. I'll keep checking in with the PHXSpotters page on FB. They have not mentioned a
272 chrisair : Nothing's listed on Expertflyer. Just the standard mix of 738s, 739s and a 752 thrown in for good measure. By the way, does anyone know why an AeroSu
273 Post contains links PHX787 : Do you have the registration number? It could be a transfer from MZJ or something. At this point, I will ask the moderators to lock this thread and w
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