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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14607 times:
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This is a continuation thread of part 1 which can be found by following this link: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 1

Please feel free to continue your discussion here and enjoy the website!


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 14553 times:

Hello All!

Welcome to part 2 of the PHX Aviation Thread!


I was originally intending on beginning part 2 a while back but I had no time, so here we are!

Talking points this time around:

Intel adding 1000+ jobs, effect on the airport?

F9 beginning service to AZA

When will the airspace class around AZA be upgraded?

As ATCSundevil said

Quoting atcsundevil:
You have much to learn, grasshopper.

I have much to learn! So lets continue to teach each other here.

NOW something to get everyone started off right:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7u2c9Mg04I

Enjoy the heat    and go Devils!

-PHX787



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 947 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 14504 times:

Saw the Raiders loading up on the HA 767 with Raiders logo on it last night. Thought that was pretty cool

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
Intel adding 1000+ jobs, effect on the airport?

Maybe in upgrade on some equipment types on some high profile routes but I think it will be business as usual.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
F9 beginning service to AZA

Any word about if they are bringing on F9 staff or outsourcing?



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 14488 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 2):
Saw the Raiders loading up on the HA 767 with Raiders logo on it last night. Thought that was pretty cool

I saw it land the other day. it was one sight to see! I hope someone caught it on camera



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User currently offlinejfritz From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 14482 times:

Flew in and out of AZA the last couple of days and it wasn't busy. It was mostly GA aircraft and practice approaches into the ILS. I flew out of there an hour ago and the Tower was down to a single frequency and he also was doing ground. I'm curious PHX787 do you think it can remain a Class D with the influx of commercial traffic or does it need to be Class C?  

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14464 times:

Wasn't IWA going to build a whole brand new terminal on the other side of the airport at one point (the north side, closer to US60 side)? What ever happened to that plan?


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14461 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 5):
Wasn't IWA going to build a whole brand new terminal on the other side of the airport at one point (the north side, closer to US60 side)? What ever happened to that plan?

I haven't been over there in a while but someone on the previous thread posted that it was under construction now?



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14456 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 5):
Wasn't IWA going to build a whole brand new terminal on the other side of the airport at one point (the north side, closer to US60 side)? What ever happened to that plan?

It's still a part of their master plan:

http://www.phxmesagateway.org/Docume...r%20Plan%20Executive%20Summary.pdf



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14453 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 7):

I have a question for you:

What's up with this filing?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE9209



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14439 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 8):
I have a question for you:

What's up with this filing?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...E9209

Looks like a FlightAware anomaly. That flight was a repo ferry and landed a few hours ago in PHX. It looks like they might have re-filed or had some change in their flight plan somewhere over Oklahoma City which is what threw the tracking off.

There's another CLT-PHX ferry airborne at the moment as well:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE9210


[Edited 2012-08-18 15:00:31]


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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 14432 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
I haven't been over there in a while but someone on the previous thread posted that it was under construction now?

Construction hasn't started yet but it is part of the airports growth plans. They probably won't break ground on it until the new SR24 freeway is completed which will run along the east side of the airport.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 8):
What's up with this filing?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...E9209

Just a repositioning flight with a typical Flightaware error.

[Edited 2012-08-18 15:02:37]


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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 14423 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
Intel adding 1000+ jobs, effect on the airport?

Little to none as Intel already has 10,300 employees in the Chandler Fab plants.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 2):
Saw the Raiders loading up on the HA 767 with Raiders logo on it last night. Thought that was pretty cool

Yes, HA has the Seahawks and Raiders. That would of been nice to see a HA flight land during the daytime.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 14418 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 9):
That flight was a repo ferry and landed a few hours ago in PHX. It looks like they might have re-filed or had some change in their flight plan somewhere over Oklahoma City which is what threw the tracking off.

Ohhh Repo ferry? So it's not going to be flying with US anymore (whatever aircraft that is?)



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 14414 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 11):

I thought the Seahawks are using DL this year per the 2012 NFL Charters thread that is currently ongoing in CivAv.



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 14389 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 12):
Ohhh Repo ferry? So it's not going to be flying with US anymore (whatever aircraft that is?)

Repo as in reposition, not repossession. My bad.



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14329 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):

I thought the Seahawks are using DL this year per the 2012 NFL Charters thread that is currently ongoing in CivAv.

Oh, that could be. I thought I read that all of the charters were the same. I am surprised that HA has the planes left to do these charters.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5671 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14294 times:

Looks like US is dropping PHX-GYM effective 27OCT, leaving GYM without any international service.


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User currently offlinerunzel From Australia, joined Dec 2011, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 14252 times:

Quoting/Responding/THANKING !

PHX787 Post 262 August 12

(Well the terminal four garage is accessible by car. The only problem is there's about a four-foot wall at the top of the garage preventing people from falling onto the tarmac. I also frequent the Air Lane location but between the road and the fence there's a guard-rail and a rough shoulder.)

My apologies for tardiness is responding to and expressing gratitude for your advice; circumstances denied me access to this medium.

Next visit to PHX I shall follow and explore fully your suggestions.

Thank you for taking the trouble to respond to my request.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 14178 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 16):
Looks like US is dropping PHX-GYM effective 27OCT, leaving GYM without any international service.

Hmm doesn't look like that route was any profitable anyway.

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 15):
Oh, that could be. I thought I read that all of the charters were the same. I am surprised that HA has the planes left to do these charters.

I was surprised too but they do have a decent fleet size. Maybe the repositioned a 330 to take over the slack of something lost.

Quoting wn676 (Reply 14):
Repo as in reposition, not repossession. My bad.

Thanks for the clarity!  
Quoting runzel (Reply 17):
Thank you for taking the trouble to respond to my request.

  No problem!



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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days ago) and read 14125 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 18):
Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 16):
Looks like US is dropping PHX-GYM effective 27OCT, leaving GYM without any international service.

Hmm doesn't look like that route was any profitable anyway.

I think the ultimate reason for the route being dropped is the withdrawal of the Dash-8s from PHX, right now it's being flown with 50 seat CRJ-200s which is not the optimal aircraft for the route. PHX-GYM has been flown for years now, It first was flown with Mesa Airlines Beech 1900Ds for America West Express before being upgraded to the Dash-8-200, which is what it remained operating with up until very recently. It's my view that there aren't many routes that a CR2 can be used on profitably.



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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3030 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14047 times:

Quoting runzel (Reply 17):
Next visit to PHX I shall follow and explore fully your suggestions.

And usually you can go to the topmost parking level and, with it being mostly empty, just pull your vehicle along the wall and view from there if it is a van/ SUV etc. Keeps you in your A/C too.



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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1217 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 13909 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
Intel adding 1000+ jobs, effect on the airport?

Well, technically a little. Intel uses Techjet, not air carriers. They run Embraers to SJC and elsewhere. For example: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/TEC644

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
When will the airspace class around AZA be upgraded?

As I mentioned in the previous threat, no time soon. Realistically, no sooner than 2016 -- more likely closer to 2020. Developing the airspace itself isn't inherently complicated (well, it is for me, but not the smart guys who make that crap at P50), but the inevitable legal battles and discussion of every single detail with endless workgroups will tie it up for years.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 16):

Looks like US is dropping PHX-GYM effective 27OCT, leaving GYM without any international service.

I have no idea if this is true or not, but I heard from my old roommates (former YV rampers) that the GYM fire department would have to come to the runway and act as airfield lighting if the GYM flight left delayed. Somehow it wouldn't surprise me. I guess if they aren't running the DH8B anymore, they don't really have a suitable aircraft for the route -- a CRJ2 would be too big for such a thin route.


Anyone have any ideas what this "big announcement" is for tomorrow at 11am at IWA?


User currently offlineba744phx From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13895 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 21):
Anyone have any ideas what this "big announcement" is for tomorrow at 11am at IWA?

Seeing how BLV is also announcing a route tomorrow could be G4 linking the 2. I would rather see HNL or OGG from G4 instead....


User currently offlineacjflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 427 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13876 times:

It will be interesting to see what PHX Mesa Gateway Airport has in store for us tomorrow. Their facebook page has the following as their current status -

"If you like what's been happening out at Gateway, you're going to LOVE what you hear tomorrow! We have a press conference scheduled for 11:00 a.m.! Stay tuned..."


User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13862 times:

Well if it's as big of announcement as they are alluding to then I personally doubt that it will be anything like IWA-BLV. It could be G4 starting AZA to Hawaii, but thats not to likely either. It will be interesting to see what they say tomorrow. I wonder if it has to do with their plans for the new terminal that would be on the east side of the airport.


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 25, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13914 times:

Quoting ba744phx (Reply 22):
Seeing how BLV is also announcing a route tomorrow could be G4 linking the 2. I would rather see HNL or OGG from G4 instead....

This is what I'm guessing. HNL from AZA. It should be a good route.



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User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13845 times:

so its AZA-HNL starting Feb 8th 3 weekly.... now thats awesome  Smile

[Edited 2012-08-21 03:09:52]

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 27, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13884 times:

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 26):
so its AZA-HNL starting Feb 8th 3 weekly.... now thats awesome Smile

I guess a huge "Hell Yeah!" is an order for AZA right now  
Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 21):
Well, technically a little. Intel uses Techjet, not air carriers. They run Embraers to SJC and elsewhere. For example: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/TEC644

Are these the EMB Legacy aircraft or normal 35 seaters?



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 947 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13838 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 27):
Are these the EMB Legacy aircraft or normal 35 seaters?

Im gonna say they are the 35 seaters because charter buses will drop the pax off in the early morning hours at the TechJet terminal which is right up the road from the pax terminal at AZA



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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1217 posts, RR: 2
Reply 29, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13830 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 27):
Are these the EMB Legacy aircraft or normal 35 seaters?

E135s

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 26):
so its AZA-HNL starting Feb 8th 3 weekly.... now thats awesome

Something tells me the airport is going to be a complete mess when those things depart/arrive.


User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (2 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 13814 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 29):
Something tells me the airport is going to be a complete mess when those things depart/arrive.

Oh I don't know, it probably won't be too different from 3-4 MD-80s departing or arriving at the same time.



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User currently offlineskyharborshome From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 273 posts, RR: 2
Reply 31, posted (2 years 2 months 23 hours ago) and read 13768 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 21):
As I mentioned in the previous threat, no time soon. Realistically, no sooner than 2016 -- more likely closer to 2020. Developing the airspace itself isn't inherently complicated (well, it is for me, but not the smart guys who make that crap at P50), but the inevitable legal battles and discussion of every single detail with endless workgroups will tie it up for years.

Those of us who fly out of CHD and maybe even FFZ already closely watch the IWA airspace. I believe it extends just 3 miles from CHD. So I think you are right, moving IWA up to C would be heavily contested. 3 huge runways and even though a lot of destinations (and growing), not many of them are daily so I would not consider it crowded even with the flight schools there.



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (2 years 2 months 22 hours ago) and read 13746 times:

Quoting skyharborshome (Reply 31):
Those of us who fly out of CHD and maybe even FFZ already closely watch the IWA airspace. I believe it extends just 3 miles from CHD. So I think you are right, moving IWA up to C would be heavily contested. 3 huge runways and even though a lot of destinations (and growing), not many of them are daily so I would not consider it crowded even with the flight schools there.

What about Falcon Field as I think the runways run almost directly at Falcon and it is less than 5 miles from AWA.

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 26):
so its AZA-HNL starting Feb 8th 3 weekly.... now thats awesome Smile

WOW, That makes a lot of flight to HNL. You have HA-35, US-20, US-22


User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (2 years 2 months 22 hours ago) and read 13739 times:

So what can we expect next from AZA? as of right now 4 of the top 10 destinations from PHX are now/will be served out of AZA. I would think LAX, SAN or SLC maybe the next logical step but by who?

1 Denver - Frontier
2 Las Vegas - Allegiant, Spirit
3 Los Angeles - Not Served
4 San Diego - Not Served
5 Seattle - Not Served
6 Minneapolis - Not Served
7 Chicago - Spirit
8 Atlanta - Not Served
9 Salt Lake City - Not Served
10 Dallas - Spirit


User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (2 years 2 months 21 hours ago) and read 13726 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 32):
WOW, That makes a lot of flight to HNL. You have HA-35, US-20, US-22

It's actually less service than we had a few years ago, at one point we had 3 daily to HNL on US B752s, the daily 763 by HA and daily flights run by ATA to both HNL and OGG on B752s or 753s. The Allegiant service is only 3x weekly and won't have any passengers connecting to it from other cities like US and HA can get, So I don't see the G4 service affecting the PHX-HNL market significantly, at least not right away.



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User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (2 years 2 months 21 hours ago) and read 13738 times:

Is US struggling with the competition from SW on Phoenix-Florida routes? Just glanced at the US timetable, PHX-FLL is down to 6 weekly and PHX-MCO is one daily starting later this month. I understand we're headed into the slow fall period but I don't ever recall FLL being less than twice daily and MCO less than 3 daily. Thoughts?


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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (2 years 2 months 21 hours ago) and read 13725 times:

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 33):
So what can we expect next from AZA? as of right now 4 of the top 10 destinations from PHX are now/will be served out of AZA. I would think LAX, SAN or SLC maybe the next logical step but by who?

1 Denver - Frontier
2 Las Vegas - Allegiant, Spirit
3 Los Angeles - Not Served
4 San Diego - Not Served
5 Seattle - Not Served
6 Minneapolis - Not Served
7 Chicago - Spirit
8 Atlanta - Not Served
9 Salt Lake City - Not Served
10 Dallas - Spirit

I think AZA-MSP has the potential to be a very good route as PHX-MSP supports as many as 13 daily flights by US, DL, WN and SY in the winter time, with A321s by US and 753s from DL on several frequencies. The question is who would run the flight, I wouldn't be surprised if SY were to open the route or maybe NK eventually.
I could also see AZA-LAX or AZA-SAN started by NK eventually too. Something like 1-2 daily RJ's on AZA-SLC by DL could have potential as well.

[Edited 2012-08-21 16:12:27]


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User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (2 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 13705 times:

Well it looks like AA will increase PHX-MIA to 2 daily, new flight loaded AA 1904 red eye from PHX - MIA starting in December

User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (2 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 13670 times:

I could see within the next 2 years
Los Angeles - NK 1 daily, or DL 2 daily express
San Diego - not really sure who would go for this, but very large market
Seattle - AS either 1 daily mainline or 2 daily express
Minneapolis - DL 1 daily mainline
Salt Lake City - 2 daily express


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 947 posts, RR: 1
Reply 39, posted (2 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 13651 times:

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 37):

Well it looks like AA will increase PHX-MIA to 2 daily, new flight loaded AA 1904 red eye from PHX - MIA starting in December

AA does not have any redeyes at PHX. Is it a seasonal route for the holidays? Also the equipment type will be a 737-800 I assume.



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User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (2 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 13631 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 39):
AA does not have any redeyes at PHX. Is it a seasonal route for the holidays? Also the equipment type will be a 737-800 I assume.

Well they do now. Its currently loaded until July which is when AA schedule is loaded.


User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 41, posted (2 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 13610 times:

Quoting Falcon Flyer (Reply 35):
Just glanced at the US timetable, PHX-FLL is down to 6 weekly and PHX-MCO is one daily starting later this month. I understand we're headed into the slow fall period but I don't ever recall FLL being less than twice daily and MCO less than 3 daily. Thoughts?

Just your typical fall pulldown. Looking at the WN timetable, they don't serve PHX-FLL nonstop next month, and are down to 1 daily each on PHX-MCO/TPA. They operated these same frequencies plus one daily PHX-FLL flight this summer, while US operated daily to FLL, 13 weekly to TPA and 20 weekly to MCO.



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 42, posted (2 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 13593 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 34):
It's actually less service than we had a few years ago, at one point we had 3 daily to HNL on US B752s, the daily 763 by HA and daily flights run by ATA to both HNL and OGG on B752s or 753s.

US didn't start operating the third HNL flight until late 2010, and it's been part of the flex schedule ever since. Regardless, the frequency of flights to HNL and Hawaii overall today is comparable to how it was 6 years ago, standing at about 56 weekly flights.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 43, posted (2 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 13591 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 32):
WOW, That makes a lot of flight to HNL. You have HA-35, US-20, US-22

Well it is a good market, i think. The HA flight in particular is looking at fares ROUND TRIP, FEES in ALL! for $370. I think they're doing quite well on this route.

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 33):
5 Seattle - Not Served

I see AS running a route or 2 concurrent with the ones at PHX.

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 33):
8 Atlanta - Not Served

DL.....not for some time.

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 33):
6 Minneapolis - Not Served

Maybe SY could run a route here concurrent with the one at PHX but I'm not sure. I have a feeling it's either/or for this route.



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User currently offlineasqx From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 615 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (2 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 13584 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 43):

I see AS running a route or 2 concurrent with the ones at PHX.

Given Alaska's gradual reduction of flights to PHX over the years I doubt they have any interest in servimg both PHX and AZA. When I was working for them five years ago we had 11 flights a day, then it went down to 8 a year later. According to some friends still there it will soon be down to 5.


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 947 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (2 years 2 months 17 hours ago) and read 13535 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 43):
Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 33):
8 Atlanta - Not Served

DL.....not for some time.

A really long time..... if ever....

Quoting asqx (Reply 44):

Also a terminal move might be in the works



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 46, posted (2 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 13535 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 43):
Maybe SY could run a route here concurrent with the one at PHX but I'm not sure. I have a feeling it's either/or for this route.

Does SY still run one flight a day from PHX to MSP or is SY running more MSP on a year-round flights. I seem to remember that SY only offered seasonal PHX service with only one flight to MSP a day......



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 47, posted (2 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 13535 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 46):
Does SY still run one flight a day from PHX to MSP or is SY running more MSP on a year-round flights. I seem to remember that SY only offered seasonal PHX service with only one flight to MSP a day......

IIRC the SY flight is winter seasonal indeed. Therefore any service to AZA (given SY doesn't upgrade it to year long) would be seasonal as well.

edit:

Some pretty strong storms again over my apartment in Tempe. How's the airways looking? Anyone doing the holding donuts?

[Edited 2012-08-21 21:37:35]


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User currently offlineTUSdawg23 From United States of America, joined May 2010, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (2 years 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 13508 times:

Hi guys,

As someone who lives just down the road in TUS, I always like to keep an eye at what's going on at PHX. I wanted to ask for some opinions on why US is the only carrier that flies to Mexico. The state of Arizona has one of the highest Hispanic populations in the country and you think that there might be a few Mexican carriers for example that would be willing to compete with US on a route such as PHX-MEX. Some of the carriers where I think it could be viable and that come to mind are Aeromexico and Volaris. If I remember correctly, didn't Aeromexico used to have service to MEX and Hermosillo not too long ago?

I guess it just shocks me that with Mexican carriers like Interjet, Volaris, and VivaAerobus starting service to markets that are far smaller than PHX (e.g. DEN, FAT, SAT), that PHX is unable to attract a Mexican carrier to compete with US.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 49, posted (2 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 13504 times:

Quoting TUSdawg23 (Reply 48):

As someone who lives just down the road in TUS, I always like to keep an eye at what's going on at PHX. I wanted to ask for some opinions on why US is the only carrier that flies to Mexico.

Well AM flies from Hermosillo (?) to PHX but it's AM express. I've wondered too why AM doesn't have anything from PHX to MEX.

Quoting TUSdawg23 (Reply 48):
I guess it just shocks me that with Mexican carriers like Interjet, Volaris, and VivaAerobus starting service to markets that are far smaller than PHX (e.g. DEN, FAT, SAT), that PHX is unable to attract a Mexican carrier to compete with US.

I can possibly see one of the low-costers operating to AZA given that the appropriate cbp facilities are built.



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2764 posts, RR: 1
Reply 50, posted (2 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 13481 times:

Quoting TUSdawg23 (Reply 48):
I guess it just shocks me that with Mexican carriers like Interjet, Volaris, and VivaAerobus starting service to markets that are far smaller than PHX (e.g. DEN, FAT, SAT), that PHX is unable to attract a Mexican carrier to compete with US.

I would wonder if the anti-immigration law that Arizona passed a few years ago (and which has basically been struck down by the USSC) is in play here? Mexican elected official from the president to the governors of the Mexican states along the U.S. border and just about everyone in between were incensed with this law, and vowed sanctions on Arizona. And even though the law currently may have no teeth, are hard feelings remaining?

I do believe that HMO-PHX was already in place before the law was enacted, so that remained. However, it seems that no new air service has really happened between Mexico and any Arizona destination since then, eh?


 


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5462 posts, RR: 12
Reply 51, posted (2 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 13473 times:

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 38):
San Diego - not really sure who would go for this, but very large market.

This doesn't seem like a real head-scratcher to me. I'll repeat my post (#224) from the previous "PHX Av" thread:

Quote:
SAN is the 4th largest market out of PHX while PHX is the 2nd largest destination from Lindbergh Field and the market (around 670K pax over the last year) is served by (only) 2 cx. Of the 3 larger markets out of PHX -- DEN, LAS and LAX -- Vegas is already served from Mesa, while DEN and LAX are already connected with PHX by a minimum of 4 cx. (And of course DEN-AZA is soon to be served as well.)

SAN-AZA is a short, high-volume market that seems like a good match for NK's current model. The route would join 2 growing NK stations and I'm sure a decent enough percentage of the traffic that flies from SAN into Sky Harbor would like arriving at Mesa Airport instead.. especially at really low fares.

Watching the kind of city-pairs NK seems to like to enter, I would actually expect to see them start SAN-AZA before they would begin flying LAX-AZA. Also, Spirit's service level at SAN and at AZA is about the same - similarly sized op's. One or 2 daily roundtrips between the two cities would seem to me to have a very good chance of success.

G4 serves both AZA and SAN as well but they don't seem interested in doing anything much out of Lindbergh Field PLUS I think they would under-serve the market between SAN and AZA anyway. Heck, even F9 could extend their DEN-AZA flight over to the coast and back if they wanted to continue with their "outside-the-box" thinking...

Seems to me that AZA-SAN is another case of "when" (and "who") rather than "if".

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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1217 posts, RR: 2
Reply 52, posted (2 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 13422 times:

Quoting skyharborshome (Reply 31):
Those of us who fly out of CHD and maybe even FFZ already closely watch the IWA airspace. I believe it extends just 3 miles from CHD. So I think you are right, moving IWA up to C would be heavily contested. 3 huge runways and even though a lot of destinations (and growing), not many of them are daily so I would not consider it crowded even with the flight schools there.

Yep, the surrounding airports (and all of the PHX traffic) really complicate things. Not to mention terrain. When G4 departs from the 30s -- which is most of the time -- they have to turn SE until they can reach about 7,000 before turning to head north to clear the Superstitions. On some really hot days, it seems like they're practically in Florence before they can turn north.

The airport is going to eventually need a Charlie. There are several Class Cs that see less traffic than IWA, but it isn't an immediate need. While things are growing rapidly, as you said, a large portion of the 30-some destinations are only served twice or thrice weekly. It will absolutely be heavily contested; I'm not sure if the FAA can justify IWA being Class C for now, but they can a few years down the line, which will hopefully amount to fewer legal challenges.

I wonder what effects it could have on you at CHD or over at FFZ. It's going to make for a seriously cluster f***ed airspace.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 53, posted (2 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 13369 times:

Question: Who has flown into/been near Stellar Airpark? What's it like over there?

Quoting SANFan (Reply 51):
Seems to me that AZA-SAN is another case of "when" (and "who") rather than "if".

That's what I'm thinking too, but the "who" part is what is stumping me. I don't think NK would be a good provider on this route.



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5671 posts, RR: 6
Reply 54, posted (2 years 2 months ago) and read 13321 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 50):

I would wonder if the anti-immigration law that Arizona passed a few years ago (and which has basically been struck down by the USSC) is in play here?

I doubt it.

Quoting point2point (Reply 50):
However, it seems that no new air service has really happened between Mexico and any Arizona destination since then, eh?

I'm guessing it has more to do with the general economic downturn, plus the drop in Mexican tourism than anything. Plus, with the exception of WN, none of the other major airlines in PHX fly to anywhere but a hub or focus city. There's not enough O&D to justify a P2P flight.

I think the last airline to pull Mexico service from PHX was Alaska, and that was back in the early 2000s (they operated to SJD and possibly PVR).

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 52):
It's going to make for a seriously cluster f***ed airspace.

Not nearly as bad as what they're proposing for LAX.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 53):
Question: Who has flown into/been near Stellar Airpark? What's it like over there?

Pretty much just your typical Chandler neighborhood... upper middle class houses. The runway is pretty narrow and butts right up against Chandler Blvd. Many of the houses in the Airpark itself are connected to the taxiways, and most people living there store their planes in their garages.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 947 posts, RR: 1
Reply 55, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13299 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 47):
Therefore any service to AZA (given SY doesn't upgrade it to year long) would be seasonal as well.

How is SY moving to AZA good for SY?

Don't forget that SY has a major mail contract with the USPS and AZA does not have a postal office or freight warehouses


Also... looking at some fall and winter flights on DL.. CVG is gone of course and MEM is downgraded to a CR9. Couldn't the route support a EMB-175? MEM-PHX is an awful long way on a CR9!

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 56, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13287 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 55):
Don't forget that SY has a major mail contract with the USPS and AZA does not have a postal office or freight warehouses

Ahh I didn't know that. Thanks for telling me  
Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 55):
MEM-PHX is an awful long way on a CR9!

IIRC it was on a CR9 a few years back too.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 54):
Pretty much just your typical Chandler neighborhood... upper middle class houses. The runway is pretty narrow and butts right up against Chandler Blvd. Many of the houses in the Airpark itself are connected to the taxiways, and most people living there store their planes in their garages.

Any good spotting there? How many ops per day, on average?

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 54):

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 52):
It's going to make for a seriously cluster f***ed airspace.

Not nearly as bad as what they're proposing for LAX.

Yeah really, it's not gonna be bad. Maybe the GA planes are gonna be affected in some way, but no where near as bad as LAX.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 947 posts, RR: 1
Reply 57, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13290 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 56):
IIRC it was on a CR9 a few years back too.

This time last year MEM-PHX had two flights a day and a overnighter, all CR9s. Actually this time last year DL had three overnighting CRJs



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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13290 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 55):
MEM is downgraded to a CR9. Couldn't the route support a EMB-175? MEM-PHX is an awful long way on a CR9!
NW started MEM-PHX with a daily A319 and then it eventually went to 2x daily flights on Compass E-175s which it stayed with for awhile before going to 1 daily with an A320. Once NW merged with DL it moved around from Embraers to Airbus's and was operated with XJ CR9s for awhile too. With the draw down of the MEM hub there are less connecting opportunity's available and the O&D between PHX and MEM is fairly small, so a CR9 or E175 is about the right size plane for the route. When US Airways flew the route it was flown with CR9s as well. That said I certainly wouldn't want to fly on any CRJ for that long.

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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 59, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13275 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 56):
Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 54):
Pretty much just your typical Chandler neighborhood... upper middle class houses. The runway is pretty narrow and butts right up against Chandler Blvd. Many of the houses in the Airpark itself are connected to the taxiways, and most people living there store their planes in their garages.

Any good spotting there? How many ops per day, on average?

Stellar P19 is pretty quiet on most days with just occasional Cessna's and other small light aircraft. Every now and then you might see a small private jet depart which is pretty cool considering the small runway, they usually kick up some dust on take-off. I have also seen P-51s and older Bi-planes us the airfield as well.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 60, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13276 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 58):
When US Airways flew the route it was flown with CR9s as well. That said I certainly wouldn't want to fly on any CRJ for that long.

Is US still flying this route or no?

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 59):
Stellar P19 is pretty quiet on most days with just occasional Cessna's and other small light aircraft. Every now and then you might see a small private jet depart which is pretty cool considering the small runway, they usually kick up some dust on take-off. I have also seen P-51s and older Bi-planes us the airfield as well.

Do they have some stuff up on Flightaware? I just did a search and looks like flightaware isn't working for me right now



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User currently offlineskyharborshome From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 273 posts, RR: 2
Reply 61, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13239 times:

I am really starting to love this thread. Hope I do not confuse by 'contributing' to multiple conversations at once.

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 33):
5 Seattle - Not Served

Promise I am not trying to be picky or self-righteous but many people in the east valley consider Bellingham to be an alternative. Now, I fly to Seattle quite a bit and usually stay in Everett but even me going that far north do not consider BLI to be a Seattle-alternate but for some reason, a lot of people do.

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 52):

I wonder what effects it could have on you at CHD or over at FFZ. It's going to make for a seriously cluster f***ed airspace.

Well CHD is around 1300 ft and on a hot day getting those Pipers up to a suitable altitude in 3 miles is a no-go if they had the Charlie upgrade. So I guess you would have to turn and climb if you were going east. But like I said, we pretty much already know to stay well clear of that space unless you have a great reason to be there.

The whole east valley is so well-suited GA wise that any change will be met with strong opposition. However, we always adjust just like when Class B was modified not too long ago. I for one am just happy that in a few minutes flight you have access to Casa, Falcon, Gateway and Stellar.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 53):
Question: Who has flown into/been near Stellar Airpark? What's it like over there?

You can look at their website. I admire how they are permissive to flights as long as you follow the rules. I mean the only strict one you tell everyone is no touch and go's which you would not really want to do anyway with a 6-lane road to the north and a freeway to the south. Hoping one day I win the Powerball so I could be in a neighborhood with a plane in my 'garage'. That means I have to start playing I guess.....



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User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13244 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 54):
I'm guessing it has more to do with the general economic downturn, plus the drop in Mexican tourism than anything.

Agreed. I'm surprised GYM lasted as long as it did with the CRJ but even with reduced weekly frequencies, it's just not a 50 seat market.
I just flew PHX-MZT and back this past weekend, down on a CRJ9 and returned on a 319, the outbound flight was half full and the Airbus had 46 total on it. Even though it's the end of summer, it's pretty indicative of the Mexico market. SJD, PVR and MEX are obviously doing a bit better.



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User currently offlineskyharborshome From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 273 posts, RR: 2
Reply 63, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13244 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 39):
AA does not have any redeyes at PHX. Is it a seasonal route for the holidays? Also the equipment type will be a 737-800 I assume.

Well, if WN can take over AirTran and be in Atlanta, maybe they will buck another business model and launch a red-eye from PHX to ATL. I know, I know; when pigs fly. Still, would love to get to FLL via ATL in the mid-morning instead of leaving PHX at 6 am, connecting in Midway and then arriving at FLL at 4 pm.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
F9 beginning service to AZA

I have been almost 100% exclusive to WN. Even when flying international I take WN to a port city then change. However, I love DEN and having F9 just a few miles down the road is very tempting. I agree with others that I believe this route will do very well. I still question Spirit coming in here with oddball hours to Dallas but F9 seems to have hit a slam dunk. While WN may not miss a few people (only one F9 flight now), I still have a sneaky suspicion some people are keeping a close eye on this. WN already calls PHX its "other hometown" and we all know they make good money here. No, I am not suggesting WN will plop a route down AZA, but we could see those fare wars start up again.....



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 64, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13226 times:

Quoting skyharborshome (Reply 61):
I am really starting to love this thread. Hope I do not confuse by 'contributing' to multiple conversations at once.

Welcome and contribute everything you know  
Quoting skyharborshome (Reply 61):
You can look at their website. I admire how they are permissive to flights as long as you follow the rules. I mean the only strict one you tell everyone is no touch and go's which you would not really want to do anyway with a 6-lane road to the north and a freeway to the south. Hoping one day I win the Powerball so I could be in a neighborhood with a plane in my 'garage'. That means I have to start playing I guess.....

Hmm that sounds quite interesting. I, too, when I get rich and famous, will buy a house there  



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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 65, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13221 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 60):
Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 58):
When US Airways flew the route it was flown with CR9s as well. That said I certainly wouldn't want to fly on any CRJ for that long.

Is US still flying this route or no?

No, currently DL is the only passenger carrier on the route.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 60):
Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 59):
Stellar P19 is pretty quiet on most days with just occasional Cessna's and other small light aircraft. Every now and then you might see a small private jet depart which is pretty cool considering the small runway, they usually kick up some dust on take-off. I have also seen P-51s and older Bi-planes us the airfield as well.

Do they have some stuff up on Flightaware? I just did a search and looks like flightaware isn't working for me right now

If it's an IFR flight it will be on Flightaware, otherwise it won't show up. I know on Saturday's and Sunday's in the winter I have seen Bi-planes take-off from Stellar and fly in a formation around the area and then when I was driving on the 202, I saw a restored P-51D land there last year.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 947 posts, RR: 1
Reply 66, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13159 times:

Quoting skyharborshome (Reply 63):
Well, if WN can take over AirTran and be in Atlanta, maybe they will buck another business model and launch a red-eye from PHX to ATL.

DL has a redeye from PHX to ATL everyday.... I believe US has some evening flights as well



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 67, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13121 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 66):
I believe US has some evening flights as well

Yep, ATL is part of a whole bank of eastbound redeyes when they're operating on flex.

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 58):
When US Airways flew the route it was flown with CR9s as well.

US flew 733s on this route for a short while as well, back in 2006 as I recall.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 55):
MEM-PHX is an awful long way on a CR9!

HP was flying CR7s there initially before moving up to the 900s.



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User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13106 times:

G4 AZA-STC now bookable starting 12/15 twice weekly

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 69, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13012 times:

Anyone's house flood from the storms last night? That was nuts!

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 68):
G4 AZA-STC now bookable starting 12/15 twice weekly

More G4 routes! Awesome.

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 66):
DL has a redeye from PHX to ATL everyday.... I believe US has some evening flights as well

That redeye seems very popular



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 70, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12784 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 43):
Well it is a good market, i think. The HA flight in particular is looking at fares ROUND TRIP, FEES in ALL! for $370. I think they're doing quite well on this route.

I agree, When I go to the Hawai'i I fly HA exclusively.

Quoting point2point (Reply 50):
I would wonder if the anti-immigration law that Arizona passed a few years ago (and which has basically been struck down by the USSC) is in play here? Mexican elected official from the president to the governors of the Mexican states along the U.S. border and just about everyone in between were incensed with this law, and vowed sanctions on Arizona. And even though the law currently may have no teeth, are hard feelings remaining?

It could also be that this population has less disposable income to fly back to Mexico than drive. With the economy in the dumps it is harder to hold these flights. I saw an AeroMexico RJ the other day at PHX.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 54):

Pretty much just your typical Chandler neighborhood... upper middle class houses. The runway is pretty narrow and butts right up against Chandler Blvd. Many of the houses in the Airpark itself are connected to the taxiways, and most people living there store their planes in their garages.

It was a lot better before they put the brick wall. There are some AT-6's Stearman's and I saw a P-51 come ripping out of there a couple of times.

As for AZA to SAN, what about the new start-up in California? That would get them to Arizona without the cost of going into PHX.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 71, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12776 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 70):
As for AZA to SAN, what about the new start-up in California? That would get them to Arizona without the cost of going into PHX.

From what I know about CP Air (if this is what you're referring to) they're pretty much set on PHX-CLD service. I don't see them using AZA, based off their business model.



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User currently offlinehz747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1689 posts, RR: 1
Reply 72, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 12711 times:
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Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 54):
I doubt it.

Agree Maverick. The reduction in services took place long before the replication of federal law took place. I think there are several things at play here. One, most of the Mexicans living in Arizona, are from states in Mexico, right along the border. No point in flying really, after you have parked, checked-in, received the scrotum tug and done the shoeless shuffle, you're probably already well past Tucson if you were driving directly. The other reason is that the middle-class population of Mexicans, at least the ones I worked with at ADP in PHX, never went to Mexico, as the entire family had already immigrated long beforehand. There is probably a group which just cannot afford it.

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 70):
As for AZA to SAN, what about the new start-up in California? That would get them to Arizona without the cost of going into PHX.

Agree, I liked the idea that they could just have started this to get airborne. Hopefully they get the extension approved! I still think that SLC, LAX (or the area), SAN, are real gaps in the AZA network. Anyone up for starting an airline and not using the 'Skybus Model'?

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 56):
Any good spotting there? How many ops per day, on average?

When I went to school and worked in PHX, pretty much my entire extended family lived around Chandler Blvd. With all the trips I made pass it, I never once saw a single plane in operation  



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 73, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12561 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 71):
From what I know about CP Air (if this is what you're referring to) they're pretty much set on PHX-CLD service. I don't see them using AZA, based off their business model.

Yes, that was the one I was thinking of in my post. If they were given a break at AZA/IWA don't you think that they would take it? PHX could of been in the model to get their funding, but if a better fiscal opportunity were to come up, I would think that they would/should entertain that offer. They are not limited to a network and thus would be a perfect candidate for such an endeavor.


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Reply 74, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 12428 times:

Quoting hz747300 (Reply 72):

When I went to school and worked in PHX, pretty much my entire extended family lived around Chandler Blvd. With all the trips I made pass it, I never once saw a single plane in operation

I will be flying in there a little bit in the upcoming months but no one wants to sit around waiting for a Piper to land. Lots more action to see down at AZA/IWA. Love when a test bird or a fire-fighting DC-10 is around.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 75, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12310 times:

According to DLRamp4life NK is announcing a route between AZA and DEN.

Direct competition with F9.

What does this mean for the services at PHX, and soon AZA?

Quite interesting if you ask me  
Quoting skyharborshome (Reply 74):
I will be flying in there a little bit in the upcoming months but no one wants to sit around waiting for a Piper to land. Lots more action to see down at AZA/IWA. Love when a test bird or a fire-fighting DC-10 is around.

Any good spotting areas at AZA?



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 947 posts, RR: 1
Reply 76, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12291 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 75):
According to DLRamp4life NK is announcing a route between AZA and DEN.

Direct competition with F9.

What does this mean for the services at PHX, and soon AZA?

Actually SANfan is the one that broke the news: More Spirit Expansion In The West (by SANFan Aug 28 2012 in Civil Aviation)


Quoting PHX787 (Reply 75):
Any good spotting areas at AZA?

The FBO( Gateway Aviation Services) is the best shows an overview of whatever is parked out there, also you will see takeoffs and landings from the runways. Over by the cargo is a good shoot of the MD-80s over there and take offs



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5462 posts, RR: 12
Reply 77, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12304 times:

Spirit seems to be on a roll here this week. As I posted elsewhere, I would not be shocked if they announce more new routes... and AZA-SAN would be a very pleasant though not unexpected surprise. (The announced new service between SAN and PDX is not a self-contained turn so something has to happen to SAN's schedules to make the flights work. And that could very well be another new route from Lindbergh and I personally would put my money on Mesa!)

Just my very amateur and (somewhat) educated guess.   

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 78, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 12252 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 76):
Actually SANfan is the one that broke the news: More Spirit Expansion In The West (by SANFan Aug 28 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Thanks for the thread, SANfan!   

Quoting SANFan (Reply 77):
As I posted elsewhere, I would not be shocked if they announce more new routes... and AZA-SAN would be a very pleasant though not unexpected surprise.

Maybe AS? Well maybe AS would be better off doing a SAN-PHX route



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 947 posts, RR: 1
Reply 79, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12232 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 78):
Maybe AS? Well maybe AS would be better off doing a SAN-PHX route

Why? AS is doing fine going to PDX and SEA from PHX. They or QX do not need any other routes from PHX. I agree with SANfan, NK to SAN from AZA would work or the long awaited CP air enters the market I could see them setting up shop at AZA.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5462 posts, RR: 12
Reply 80, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12211 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 76):
Actually SANfan is the one that broke the news.
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 78):
Thanks for the thread, SANfan!

Thank you both for the acknowledgements. Just trying to stay as current as possible!

I spend a bit of time on this thread and enjoy it -- even though I'm an "outsider" -- a Californian no less!

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 78):
Maybe AS? Well maybe AS would be better off doing a SAN-PHX route.

Naaah, I've got AS pegged for SAN-TUS eventually, probably with a Q400 no less! What I'd REALLY like to see would be a resurrection of one of the old Bonanza milk-runs across the desert : SAN-IPL (El Centro)-YUM-TUS. But I admit that's about 80% nostalgic dreaming and maybe 20% reality-based...

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 81, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 12144 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 80):
I spend a bit of time on this thread and enjoy it -- even though I'm an "outsider" -- a Californian no less!

Thanks for YOUR acknowledgements   This thread is very fun, especially when we have outside opinions chiming in. That way, we see how our airports here perform for those who transition here or fly here for their destination   

Quoting SANFan (Reply 80):
SAN-IPL (El Centro)-YUM-TUS. But I admit that's about 80% nostalgic dreaming and maybe 20% reality-based...

That would be sooo nostalgic for a lot of folks in Sun City  
Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 79):
Why? AS is doing fine going to PDX and SEA from PHX. They or QX do not need any other routes from PHX. I agree with SANfan, NK to SAN from AZA would work or the long awaited CP air enters the market I could see them setting up shop at AZA.

So I guess given the current trend, NK is the perfect route for AZA-SAN. It would be quite interesting though to see what happens when CP Air begins service however.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 947 posts, RR: 1
Reply 82, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 12135 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 81):
That would be sooo nostalgic for a lot of folks in Sun City

Oh all the snow birds will be back soon... They will be coming in by the plane load on SY and on the ground in RVs... Brace yourselfs PHX people



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 83, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12132 times:

Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 33):
5 Seattle - Not Served
Quoting BA744PHX (Reply 38):
Seattle - AS either 1 daily mainline or 2 daily express
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 43):
I see AS running a route or 2 concurrent with the ones at PHX.

I wouldn't count on any of that. AS does not consider PHX a focus city (AFAIK) for a while now. I don't think AS is interested in IWA. But, QX might....with a stop in FLG. I could see QX returning to FLG at some point.

With that said, I really do think that AS will continue its current set up at PHX & TUS for the time being.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 53):
Question: Who has flown into/been near Stellar Airpark? What's it like over there?

Not much. It is next to the new Loop 202 on the east side. I used to drive by it on the way to and from school back in 2005-2007 when I was at ASU Polytechnic Campus.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5694 posts, RR: 52
Reply 84, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12118 times:

I don't know how long this is lasting or why..but for the first time I can recall (this may have been done last year) US has taken PHX-STL to 4 times daily on certain days of the week.

I still wonder HOW they do this because all PHX-STL are US West Birds, and having four flights flow east, to turn and fly back East means there's a departure I am missing somewhere...

Ordinarily we have an 8:45am to STL, which turns and becomes the 2:35pm, the 12:05pm to STL, which turns and becomes the 5:45pm to PHX, and the 11:04pm arrival into STL which RONS and becomes the 7:45am back to PHX.

Now there is a 4:45am arrival into STL unless that is a US East and they somehow get it to fly back through STL to CLT?

I will be participating in these threads more, I fly to Phoenix twice a month, and plan on moving down by 2013! It is an amazing city, and beautiful with awesome diversity of aviation out there.

Alex



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 85, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12106 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 84):
I don't know how long this is lasting or why..but for the first time I can recall (this may have been done last year) US has taken PHX-STL to 4 times daily on certain days of the week.

I still wonder HOW they do this because all PHX-STL are US West Birds, and having four flights flow east, to turn and fly back East means there's a departure I am missing somewhere...

Ordinarily we have an 8:45am to STL, which turns and becomes the 2:35pm, the 12:05pm to STL, which turns and becomes the 5:45pm to PHX, and the 11:04pm arrival into STL which RONS and becomes the 7:45am back to PHX.

Now there is a 4:45am arrival into STL unless that is a US East and they somehow get it to fly back through STL to CLT?

I will be participating in these threads more, I fly to Phoenix twice a month, and plan on moving down by 2013! It is an amazing city, and beautiful with awesome diversity of aviation out there.

Alex

On Flex days, PHX-STL is flown by 3 west and 1 east aircraft. The 04:45 arrival is flight 914, which is east metal. It's usually the same aircraft that takes out flight 919 at 20:40, although sometimes they'll do a line swap in PHX and it will take out 915 to BWI instead.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 86, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12101 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 84):
plan on moving down by 2013!

You are kidding me! Are you going to get an OO transfer? You might like living in Ahwatukee. A very nice area to live in, IMO!

I miss PHX. It is hard for me to get down there for a visit because all the flights out of DEN are generally full.



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User currently offlineskyharborshome From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 273 posts, RR: 2
Reply 87, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12020 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 84):

I will be participating in these threads more, I fly to Phoenix twice a month, and plan on moving down by 2013! It is an amazing city, and beautiful with awesome diversity of aviation out there.

If we let you. I am still not happy with you and will veto a relocation.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 86):
I miss PHX. It is hard for me to get down there for a visit because all the flights out of DEN are generally full.

Well, you should try to somehow get a buddy pass on NK or F9  
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 75):
Direct competition with F9.

What does this mean for the services at PHX, and soon AZA?

Like I mentioned previously, people have an eye on this (almost an obvious statement now). Some buddies of mine in DEN almost took NK to AZA this summer but it connected in DFW and arrival times were bad as we all know. So going non-stop is welcome news.

But still, look at what we have now.... F9 and NK operating AZA-DEN and then all the carriers (WN, US, all the codeshares, F9, etc) with PHX-DEN. The once expensive and elusive DEN flights when I moved here (7 years ago) have now turned into the fight of the valley. Great for all of us, great for AZA, but now a brooding ground of competition and strategy. Loving it.



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User currently offlineRavenTech From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11887 times:

Anyone know the story about a Windjet A32X flying low over Peoria yesterday. Couldn't find it on Flightaware at GYR or PHX. It was flying low heading south appearing to track the Loop 101.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Windjet/Airbus-A319-132/2151079/L/

EDIT: That might not have been the aircraft, just the same livery.

[Edited 2012-08-30 17:45:12]

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 89, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11809 times:

Quoting RavenTech (Reply 88):
Anyone know the story about a Windjet A32X flying low over Peoria yesterday. Couldn't find it on Flightaware at GYR or PHX. It was flying low heading south appearing to track the Loop 101.

Maybe it was a test flight.

Quoting skyharborshome (Reply 87):
Great for all of us, great for AZA, but now a brooding ground of competition and strategy. Loving it.

Yes indeed! Capitalism and it's benefits at work   



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 947 posts, RR: 1
Reply 90, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11727 times:

Quoting RavenTech (Reply 88):

Maybe one of the new G4 airbuses?



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User currently offlineskyharborshome From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 273 posts, RR: 2
Reply 91, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11689 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 90):
Maybe one of the new G4 airbuses?

That was never made official right? I may have missed that announcement. I know they had that job posting which sparked the rumor but I failed to follow-up on it past that.



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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 92, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11682 times:

Quoting skyharborshome (Reply 91):

That was never made official right? I may have missed that announcement. I know they had that job posting which sparked the rumor but I failed to follow-up on it past that.

It's been confirmed by G4 they are planning to acquire A319s and plan to have the first two enter service in the second quarter of 2013.
http://ir.allegiantair.com/releaseDetail.cfm?ReleaseID=696301



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 93, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11647 times:

Looked at the haneda application thread briefly and saw that US has 4 awarded slots in Japanese authority.

Briefly and I'm not going back for details ( i gotta run to my job!!!! )


Anyone think that PHX will try to budge and nudge US to get them to add here?

PHX-HND    I like the sound of that!!   



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 94, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 11617 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 93):
Anyone think that PHX will try to budge and nudge US to get them to add here?

PHX-HND    I like the sound of that!!   

As cool as it would be, that's pretty much a guaranteed epic route fail. Probably not as bad as NGO, but still pretty bad.



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User currently offlineRavenTech From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 95, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11589 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 90):

Possibly, if they are though I imagine that they would be unannounced orders given the airline didn't cease operation until a few weeks ago while Allegiant announced the plans in June. It appears that they were almost all were leased so maybe heading to GYR for storage.

Fun Fact: It also looks like all their IAE powered A319s flew for Spirit Airlines at one point. http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Windjet-stored-a319.htm


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 96, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11595 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 94):
As cool as it would be, that's pretty much a guaranteed epic route fail. Probably not as bad as NGO, but still pretty bad.

found an old article from '09, whatever happened to all of this? The economy?

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2009/08/10/daily61.html



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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1217 posts, RR: 2
Reply 97, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11585 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 93):
Anyone think that PHX will try to budge and nudge US to get them to add here?

PHX-HND    I like the sound of that!!  

Hell no. I respect your optimism in hoping for a PHX-TYO flight, but it just won't happen. The odds of dying in a commercial airline crash is 1 in 29.4mil. The odds that US will actually attempt to make PHX a real hub by adding international routes to/from Asia and/or Europe in the next five to ten years is likely somewhere around 1 in 29.5mil.

I'm not saying I wouldn't want to see US grow a pair and open up an int'l flight or two -- of course I'd want to see that. Realistically, Phoenix is just not an important city. I had an LH CSR at FRA a few months ago pull out a map to find Phoenix. It's a great domestic/regional hub for a number of reasons, but there would have to be some MASSIVE changes to the business and economic environment to support true int'l service.


User currently offlinehz747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1689 posts, RR: 1
Reply 98, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11560 times:
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Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 97):
Hell no. I respect your optimism in hoping for a PHX-TYO flight, but it just won't happen.

And Tokyo is the most likely option for an Asian destination for PHX. If it is Tokyo, it would be NRT. I just don't see much support for this certainly in O&D, but one of the airlines (JAL if US/AA goes OW, or UA/ANA if US remains *A) feeding traffic to NRT so people can go straight into PHX, might work (could a 788 do this year round?)... This would be at the bottom of anyone's priority list though. Likely the same for OW, the BA flight to LHR already fits this profile. But if it remains in *A, I could see a FRA flight restarting.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 99, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11501 times:

Quoting hz747300 (Reply 98):

It would be nice to see JAL or NH come on to town. I think the 787 could do it easily  http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...2/history/20120901/1451Z/KATL/KPHX
DL1772 (ATL-PHX) up-gauged to the 767 today. I think DL flies more heavies into PHX annually than US ever does!   



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 947 posts, RR: 1
Reply 100, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11491 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 99):
It would be nice to see JAL or NH come on to town. I think the 787 could do it easily

It could work with a 787 but there is no asia service demand for PHX.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 99):
DL1772 (ATL-PHX) up-gauged to the 767 today. I think DL flies more heavies into PHX annually than US ever does!

Now this interesting to me... Usually saturday is a slow day, I mean super slow. Flights are pretty light but it is good to see a 767 back in PHX. Somewhat of a preview of what fall will look. Yes DL lands more heavy metal in PHX then US, Actually UA and AA land more wide bodies in PHX then US does.



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 101, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11469 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 82):
Oh all the snow birds will be back soon... They will be coming in by the plane load on SY and on the ground in RVs... Brace yourselfs PHX people

Great and just when it was safe to drive on the freeway in the high speed lane we will be getting the moving road blocks back.... yeah....

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 90):
Maybe one of the new G4 airbuses?
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 89):
Maybe it was a test flight.

Could of it been stored at GYR or being retrofitted at GYR? Who does handle the maintenance for G4?

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 93):
Anyone think that PHX will try to budge and nudge US to get them to add here?

While the 787 could do it, I doubt that they will choose PHX to do this. I wonder what the effect of the summer heat will have on the 787 or 350 on any long route?

I also think another thing to be addressed is the "possible" merger with US and AA. IF it does happen, the focus will be moved to DFW and PHX will be left to the side. How much room would a combined US/AA have at LAX? I know LAX has come capacity, but how much more can absorb.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 99):
DL1772 (ATL-PHX) up-gauged to the 767 today. I think DL flies more heavies into PHX annually than US ever does!

Well since it has been a long time since I have seen anything other than a A-319, A-320, A-321, and 757 from US, I would agree.


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5462 posts, RR: 12
Reply 102, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11484 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 100):
Actually UA and AA land more wide bodies in PHX then US does.

This is interesting. Are you including charter op's? Could you please clarify the widebody counts of these 3 cx at Sky Harbor?

bb


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 947 posts, RR: 1
Reply 103, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 11475 times:

I can't give you numbers for AA or UA but all widebodies I have seen from those two are charter ops. DL will sub in a 767 like they did today on DL1772 every so often, earlier in the summer there was a 767 equipment change from a 757 to handle the redeye every thursday for three weeks or so. This upcoming winter there is a 767 taking out the ATL redeye every night. Plus the 767 will be back during spring (hopefully)

Now UA and AA have most of their widebody equipment sitting down in storage at the air cargo west so when they will see a widebody? My guess not anytime soon unless it is for charter ops.



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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 104, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11475 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 100):
Yes DL lands more heavy metal in PHX then US, Actually UA and AA land more wide bodies in PHX then US does.

The last US widebody that landed at PHX was a B767-200ER that stopped in for fuel on a CLT-HNL flight. A US 762 may have also visited as an NFL charter last year.
DL has had a history of sending widebody's to PHX for years, B762s B763s B764s B772s and B744s have all been either regularly scheduled into PHX or subbed in for smaller aircraft with the 763 being the most commonly used. AA has subbed a 763 on a DFW-PHX rotation before but it's very rare for them to make any appearances here. UA hasn't regularly scheduled a widebody to PHX in nearly a decade, They used to fly DC-10s here into 2000 and a 763 would occasionally make a visit as well, but now the only UA heavy's we get at PHX are sports charters.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 105, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11400 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 101):
While the 787 could do it, I doubt that they will choose PHX to do this. I wonder what the effect of the summer heat will have on the 787 or 350 on any long route?

They flew it into AZA last year for heat testing. Apparently performed quite well (I think it landed in July?)

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 103):
This upcoming winter there is a 767 taking out the ATL redeye every night. Plus the 767 will be back during spring (hopefully)

Nice! I intend on taking this redeye to connect to CVG this winter  



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5671 posts, RR: 6
Reply 106, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11354 times:

Quoting RavenTech (Reply 88):
Anyone know the story about a Windjet A32X flying low over Peoria yesterday. Couldn't find it on Flightaware at GYR or PHX. It was flying low heading south appearing to track the Loop 101.

Can't say why it was flying, but it was low over the Loop 101 probably to stay out of the Class B, which starts at 4000MSL in that area, and following the 101 keeps you west of the 3000MSL shelf.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5462 posts, RR: 12
Reply 107, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11336 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 103):
I can't give you numbers for AA or UA but all widebodies I have seen from those two are charter ops.
Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 104):
AA has subbed a 763 on a DFW-PHX rotation before but it's very rare for them to make any appearances here. UA hasn't regularly scheduled a widebody to PHX in nearly a decade,

Thanks to both of you. This is what I thought and why I asked for a clarification of the statement by you, dlramp', in reply #100. To the best of my knowledge, the regularly scheduled widebodies at PHX these days are by Delta, Pualani and Speedbird.

bb


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 108, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11279 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 107):
Thanks to both of you. This is what I thought and why I asked for a clarification of the statement by you, dlramp', in reply #100. To the best of my knowledge, the regularly scheduled widebodies at PHX these days are by Delta, Pualani and Speedbird.

bb

Yes and UPS (767), DHL (767), FedEx (MD-11F)


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 109, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11245 times:

Does anyone know if the DHL 767 goes to LAX from PHX?

I watched it leave the other day and it turned west. I also watched a video about morning T/O at LAX and they had a DHL 767 coming into LAX while all of the others are leaving.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 110, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11232 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 109):
I watched it leave the other day and it turned west. I also watched a video about morning T/O at LAX and they had a DHL 767 coming into LAX while all of the others are leaving.

I think one of them goes to SAN or SFO, one of those two, and also of course to the DHL hub in CVG.



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2133 posts, RR: 3
Reply 111, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11206 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 109):

Does anyone know if the DHL 767 goes to LAX from PHX?

It goes to SAN. I see it occasionally landing early in the morning from CVG.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/G...5/history/20120901/0130Z/KSAN/KPHX


User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 112, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 11188 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 108):
Yes and UPS (767), DHL (767), FedEx (MD-11F)

And FedEx MD-10s, A300s, and the occasional A310. UPS also brings in A300s.

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 104):
The last US widebody that landed at PHX was a B767-200ER that stopped in for fuel on a CLT-HNL flight. A US 762 may have also visited as an NFL charter last year.

We had two last year; the Panthers charter in September and the Steelers charter in October.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 947 posts, RR: 1
Reply 113, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 11179 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 112):

Where do they park the 762s when they come to PHX? Besides the international gates US does not have any gate space for a widebody aircraft



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 114, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11137 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 113):
Where do they park the 762s when they come to PHX? Besides the international gates US does not have any gate space for a widebody aircraft

We actually do (or used to anyway). When we'd get the CLT-HNL diversions, they would go to either A14 or B14 which at the time had 767 blocks. They would have to close off 13 but I believe there was room to op an aircraft at 12 with a 767 in the gate. After the gate reconfiguration, there's now only one 767 block at A13 but it has no J-line painted to it. Not sure what the deal is with that. I think you can actually park one on any of the end gates marked for a 757 since they moved the non-movement line outwards about 30 feet, the only problem would be wingtip clearance at adjacent gates.

The two football charters last year went over to Cutter.

[Edited 2012-09-02 18:16:30]


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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 115, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11113 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 112):
And FedEx MD-10s, A300s, and the occasional A310. UPS also brings in A300s.

True, but it seems as I see less and less MD-10's and A-300's UPS seems to be bringing in the 757 more.

Thanks for the responses to the DHL question. I was just scratching my head thinking it may be a position flight to save the cost of parking in California. I am so use to seeing the FedEx and UPS going east, it was unusual to see a cargo going west.

Quoting wn676 (Reply 114):
The two football charters last year went over to Cutter.

I thought that they are using the Cutter area for all sports teams. I know the Coyotes plane is over there all of the time. Do the D-Backs use the Swift 737?


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5671 posts, RR: 6
Reply 116, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11097 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 115):
Do the D-Backs use the Swift 737?

They usually ride on a US A320.



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 117, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11087 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 115):
True, but it seems as I see less and less MD-10's and A-300's UPS seems to be bringing in the 757 more.

They still operate quite a few MD-10s through here, more than the single daily MD-11 at least. And believe it or not, UPS actually operated more A300s here last month than they did 757s. That actually surprised me, just going through the search history right now.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 116):
They usually ride on a US A320.

First time US has had the contract AFAIK, although I think HP might have had it early on before they went over to Swift. Speaking of which:

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/n...wift-air-files-for-bankruptcy.html

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 115):
I thought that they are using the Cutter area for all sports teams.

Sports charters go all over the place. AC uses the Swift ramp, US will use both T4 and the Cutter ramp, UA and HA are almost always out at east cargo, and DL seems to be using T3 a lot more although they still might use Executive as well (I'm sure I'll be corrected shortly).

[Edited 2012-09-02 22:35:54]


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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 118, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11011 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 117):
They still operate quite a few MD-10s through here, more than the single daily MD-11 at least. And believe it or not, UPS actually operated more A300s here last month than they did 757s. That actually surprised me, just going through the search history right now.

I know that UPS and FedEx flew the A-300's, but I have not seen one in awhile. Due to a change in classrooms, I no longer get a lovely view of final from the school...

I normally can see a few of the departures before school starts.

I thought that FedEx was transitioning out of the MD-10's and replacing them with the 11's and others.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 119, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11002 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 118):

I know that UPS and FedEx flew the A-300's, but I have not seen one in awhile. Due to a change in classrooms, I no longer get a lovely view of final from the school...
Quoting aztrainer (Reply 118):

I thought that FedEx was transitioning out of the MD-10's and replacing them with the 11's and others.

I saw a 300 land the other night by either DHL or UPS (I couldn't see well, it was at night) but it was pretty large and in charge.



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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 120, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10998 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 119):

I saw a 300 land the other night by either DHL or UPS (I couldn't see well, it was at night) but it was pretty large and in charge.

It would have been a UPS or FedEx, DHL doesn't fly A300s into PHX, they use an Atlas Air B762 from PHX to SAN and CVG.

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 118):
I thought that FedEx was transitioning out of the MD-10's and replacing them with the 11's and others.

I believe FedEx is planning to transition from MD-10s to MD-11s as well as their new B763Fs that they ordered. The MD-10s should still be a regular visitor to PHX for awhile though.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 947 posts, RR: 1
Reply 121, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11001 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 117):
Sports charters go all over the place. AC uses the Swift ramp, US will use both T4 and the Cutter ramp, UA and HA are almost always out at east cargo, and DL seems to be using T3 a lot more although they still might use Executive as well (I'm sure I'll be corrected shortly).

They do go everywhere. UA and HA sit out on the ramp area between T2 and air cargo west. DL uses gate 23,26,or 24 on T3 or executive. I have seen AC at Swift. Also AA parks in the remote parking area between T3 and T2 on the south side



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 122, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10998 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 121):
Quoting wn676 (Reply 117):
Sports charters go all over the place. AC uses the Swift ramp, US will use both T4 and the Cutter ramp, UA and HA are almost always out at east cargo, and DL seems to be using T3 a lot more although they still might use Executive as well (I'm sure I'll be corrected shortly).

They do go everywhere. UA and HA sit out on the ramp area between T2 and air cargo west. DL uses gate 23,26,or 24 on T3 or executive.

For the high amounts I'm at PHX I rarely ever see anything at the executive terminal. Is there an FBO in there?



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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 663 posts, RR: 1
Reply 123, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10987 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 122):
For the high amounts I'm at PHX I rarely ever see anything at the executive terminal. Is there an FBO in there?

There isn't an FBO in it. The last time I personally saw a charter park at the executive terminal it was a CO B737-900 and they unloaded the passengers directly into buses that were on the ramp.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 947 posts, RR: 1
Reply 124, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10977 times:

Fiesta bowl charters will sometimes park over there. Air Force One/Two has parked over there. If DL has alot of of planes staying the night or has a plane that will spend a couple days in PHX they will use executive.


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 125, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10902 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 123):
Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 124):

So what's inside the building then? Administration?



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 126, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10866 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 125):
So what's inside the building then? Administration?

Airport police bureau.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 127, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10794 times:

I have a quick question for anyone who was around when LH had their ops here:

How often did it fly, and was it weight restricted during the summer?
-Z



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2133 posts, RR: 3
Reply 128, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10793 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 125):
So what's inside the building then?

Unicorns and rainbows.  

Sorry. Couldn't resist...


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Reply 129, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 10704 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 128):
Unicorns and rainbows.

  

Back to seriousness:

According to the PHX Spotters page, an Air Atlanta plane is either in PHX now, scheduled to, or is in the process of departing to iceland. I am stuck at school, anyone at the airport now with any photos?



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 947 posts, RR: 1
Reply 130, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10678 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 127):
I have a quick question for anyone who was around when LH had their ops here:

How often did it fly, and was it weight restricted during the summer?

From what I have heard from coworkers at PHX, It was weight restricted. A340s and heat do not get along. As for when the route flew and how many times a week? No clue



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Reply 131, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10660 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 130):
As for when the route flew and how many times a week? No clue

It was a daily flight if I'm not mistaken, I know it was A340s for most of the time LH was in PHX but towards the end of the service it was being operated with a leased Lauda B767-300ER. It was always interesting watching the A343 try and get into the air from here.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 132, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10529 times:

Quite a large haboob over sky harbor. Apparently there are two haboobs rolling through the valley. Cue the jokes   

Any diversions?



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2133 posts, RR: 3
Reply 133, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10504 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 132):
Quite a large haboob over sky harbor.

It was fun watching it envelop the airport. I saw it getting started down in Casa Grande on my way up this afternoon.

So much for my clean car.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 132):
Apparently there are two haboobs rolling through the valley.

Both apparently missed Central Phoenix....which meant Central Phoenix is in the cleavage.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 134, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10493 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 133):
Both apparently missed Central Phoenix....which meant Central Phoenix is in the cleavage.

   you were listening to the talk station too? that was hilarious when they mentioned that!



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2133 posts, RR: 3
Reply 135, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10410 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 134):
you were listening to the talk station too?

It was on from earlier in the afternoon. Had to figure out why traffic was at a complete stop on the 10. Normally I can't stand those two morons on that station in afternoon drive...


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 947 posts, RR: 1
Reply 136, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10408 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 132):
Any diversions?

Some, I guess a WN flight from ABQ-PHX had to divert in LAS but other then that I can not think of any. F9 had a A319 and a EMB175 on the ground at the same time, delayed due to weather. Evening flight to LAX on DL was delayed in LA because of dust. blew through rather quick and not alot of dust hanging around

Also Saturday will be some busy charter ops on the DL side. Seahawks flying in on a 763 and Illinois leaving on a 757. While that is happening I of course will be at the game!

[Edited 2012-09-07 00:55:17]


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 137, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10348 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 136):
Also Saturday will be some busy charter ops on the DL side. Seahawks flying in on a 763 and Illinois leaving on a 757. While that is happening I of course will be at the game!

Which game? I'm gonna be at the ASU game that night!

yeah the dust storm was brief but I lost all visibility driving around Rural and the lake.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 947 posts, RR: 1
Reply 138, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10329 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 137):
Which game? I'm gonna be at the ASU game that night!

ASU and Illinois



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User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10269 times:

Why does United park at gate 10 at terminal 2, I thought it was Alaskas gate?

User currently offlineyvphx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 140, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10278 times:

My father in law opened the LH station here in PHX as the station manager. Unfortunately shortly thereafter was 9/11. He was wisked off to DEN, then LAX. To bad LH couldn't stay. What a great alternative of getting to Europe than just the non-stop of BA.

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 141, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10268 times:

Quoting skyharborshome (Reply 87):
Well, you should try to somehow get a buddy pass on NK or F9

F9 is packed to the gills year round now. I won't touch NK with a 10 foot pole.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 133):
So much for my clean car.

I've made it a rule when I lived in PHX that never wash cars in the summer. You'll be better off waiting till October.



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2133 posts, RR: 3
Reply 142, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10240 times:

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 139):
Why does United park at gate 10 at terminal 2, I thought it was Alaskas gate?

It is. I've never seen a UACO plane there, ever. I've seen UACO (mostly CO) park a few planes to the west of T2 near where T1 used to be. One is typically sitting there when I leave about 1030a.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 141):
I've made it a rule when I lived in PHX that never wash cars in the summer. You'll be better off waiting till October.

I agree. However, my car has done the TUS-PHX drive about 20 times since May. The thick layer of bugs needed to come off.


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 947 posts, RR: 1
Reply 143, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10232 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 142):
Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 139):
Why does United park at gate 10 at terminal 2, I thought it was Alaskas gate?

It is. I've never seen a UACO plane there, ever. I've seen UACO (mostly CO) park a few planes to the west of T2 near where T1 used to be. One is typically sitting there when I leave about 1030a.

AS has one overnighting airplane so they have an empty gate. UACO had alot of RON planes tonight. They sometimes will use an AS gate to park a RON aircraft and tow it off later. I don't know if AS gives them permission to the gate or not because DGS handles both CO and AS so they could be choosing where to park aircraft but you will never see an AS plane at CO or UA gate



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User currently offlineasqx From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 615 posts, RR: 0
Reply 144, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10173 times:

Alaska has been subleting gate 10 to United for quite some time now. Mostly just for overnighters but once or twice I have seen United planes on gate 10 during the day.

User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2133 posts, RR: 3
Reply 145, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 10169 times:

Quoting asqx (Reply 144):
Alaska has been subleting gate 10 to United for quite some time now. Mostly just for overnighters but once or twice I have seen United planes on gate 10 during the day.
Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 143):
f RON planes tonight.

Interesting. Whenever I've been on that 6a PHX-SEA flight, we've always left from gate 10. It used to always be gate 10 was for SEA flights and gate 11 was for PDX flights. That's changed this summer as well...

Thanks for the info.


User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 146, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10151 times:

Gate 10 does have Alaska titles on it, but more frequently of late especially around 730 onwards I have seen a UA 737 there. Thanks for the clarification. Side question, when did AA start using the gate at the end of 3 on the west side ( same
Side as the HA/B6 gate. Thanks


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 947 posts, RR: 1
Reply 147, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10150 times:

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 146):
Side question, when did AA start using the gate at the end of 3 on the west side ( same
Side as the HA/B6 gate. Thanks

About four months or five months ago when light rail construction started on T3. With all the work being done there is no room for not even an RJ on gate 2. They use gate 9 and only park MD80s on that end.



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User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10145 times:

Thanks for the reply. When the light rail is completed do you know if AA will continue to use it?
Has HA had to adjust operations at all?


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 947 posts, RR: 1
Reply 149, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10116 times:

Well I think a merger might happen before the light rail is complete. So IDK about AA gates usage but it would be a perfect AE gate once all is complete. HA has not had any problems at the gate but they should be moving their operations at gate 26. I have said that were moving their operations over their before but nothing yet. They do use 26 for parking the RON aircraft and tow it off later in the night.

To me it seems like a cluster f*** having two airlines share a gate like that and it seems in the HA is the red headed step child of PHX



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 150, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10113 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 138):
ASU and Illinois

When would they leave? The kick-off is at 7:00 so I would think about a 00:00 departure? Got to love college football and the travel. I do not miss that at all.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 133):

It was fun watching it envelop the airport. I saw it getting started down in Casa Grande on my way up this afternoon.
So much for my clean car.

I wash mine and my wife's every weekend and think it is a good thing if it rains. If I have to sacrifice a clean car/truck for some moisture, I am all for it.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 142):
I agree. However, my car has done the TUS-PHX drive about 20 times since May. The thick layer of bugs needed to come off.

Do what everyone else does, just driver quicker until it starts to peel off.

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 148):
Thanks for the reply. When the light rail is completed do you know if AA will continue to use it? Has HA had to adjust operations at all?

I believe that some time ago someone stated that HA was going to switch to one of the DL end gates.


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2133 posts, RR: 3
Reply 151, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10092 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 150):
When would they leave? The kick-off is at 7:00 so I would think about a 00:00 departure? Got to love college football and the travel. I do not miss that at all.

Later than that. Games typically wrap up by 11ish. By the time everyone is done with the media formalities, showering etc, they're usually out of the stadium by 12-1230a. They're looking at a 2a departure.

Arizona took a 0330a flight out of BFI last year. Landed here in Tucson at about 530a.


User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 152, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10093 times:

Why not move Alaska out of 2 and over 3? They code share with a carrier there and move hA over to 2 and allow UA to expand with T2. Just a thought.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 153, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10074 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 151):
Later than that. Games typically wrap up by 11ish. By the time everyone is done with the media formalities, showering etc, they're usually out of the stadium by 12-1230a. They're looking at a 2a departure.

I've seen some DL 757 depart at about 3AM last year after a game. Woke up the neighbors who left their windows open   

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 149):
To me it seems like a cluster f*** having two airlines share a gate like that and it seems in the HA is the red headed step child of PHX

They haven't re-set the HA gate yet? what are they all working on 3-25 for?

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 141):
Quoting chrisair (Reply 133):
So much for my clean car.

I've made it a rule when I lived in PHX that never wash cars in the summer. You'll be better off waiting till October.

Yeah yesterday before the haboobies I was driving as fast as I can up Rural to get home, swerving around ASU drivers   Made it into the garage just in time to get enveloped by dust.



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 154, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9994 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 149):
To me it seems like a cluster f*** having two airlines share a gate like that and it seems in the HA is the red headed step child of PHX

I think it is more of the fact that HA has only one flight that arrives at 23:55 and leaves at 8:00 (or normally earlier). That is why I was wondering why they would not move to T-4 as it seems there is a lot more space especially with the light rail going in now.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 153):
Yeah yesterday before the haboobies I was driving as fast as I can up Rural to get home, swerving around ASU drivers Made it into the garage just in time to get enveloped by dust.

HA, I have done that also, but it helps that if you are driving something big to get people moving. Nothing worse than the sprinkles followed by dust look on a car.


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Reply 155, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9964 times:

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 152):
Why not move Alaska out of 2 and over 3? They code share with a carrier there and move hA over to 2 and allow UA to expand with T2. Just a thought.

Cannot confirm or deny this but AS might be moving their operations to be closer to DL in T3.

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 154):
I think it is more of the fact that HA has only one flight that arrives at 23:55 and leaves at 8:00 (or normally earlier). That is why I was wondering why they would not move to T-4 as it seems there is a lot more space especially with the light rail going in now.

Well they were in T4, I do not know why they moved to T3 but with two widebody capable gates on the northend of T3 why not move their operations over to gate 24 or 26? They already use 26 or when B6 is still at the gate. Then in the middle of the night they do the long tow around the building to the south end... This is why I think it is a cluster



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Reply 156, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9928 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 154):
I think it is more of the fact that HA has only one flight that arrives at 23:55 and leaves at 8:00 (or normally earlier). That is why I was wondering why they would not move to T-4 as it seems there is a lot more space especially with the light rail going in now.

When HA first started ops to PHX they used T4 and then eventually made the move to T3. I've always wondered why they moved since the times their flight arrives and departs, T4 is usually pretty quiet.