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Caac 747SP , Old Publicity Pics  
User currently offlinextra1 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 111 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12708 times:

Thought I'll share these old CAAC 747SP publicity pics, circa 1980:-

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/xtra1/caac1.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/xtra1/caac7.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/xtra1/caac3.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/xtra1/caac4.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/xtra1/caac6.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/xtra1/caac10.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b259/xtra1/caac2.jpg

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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12587 times:
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The CAAC 747SP's were regularly scheduled at SFO. I used to see their presence at SFO all the time.

User currently offlineFly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12584 times:

Gorgeous! Thanks for sharing!

User currently offlinextra1 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 111 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12407 times:

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 1):
The CAAC 747SP's were regularly scheduled at SFO. I used to see their presence at SFO all the time.

The initial CAAC schedule to SFO and JFK.



User currently offlineflywrite From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12398 times:
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Fantastic ramp shot of the era, showing Trident, 707s and IL-62. Thanks for sharing!

User currently offlinemadog From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11981 times:

I love these old photos. It shows how much china has grown in air travel compared to the 80's when they've started opened up. These days all we see are Boeings and airbuses, which is rather boring.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11975 times:

Quoting xtra1 (Thread starter):
Thought I'll share these old CAAC 747SP publicity pics, circa 1980:-

Just curious where you found the photos?


User currently offline26point2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11899 times:

Interesting old pics. I remember those old "air hose" earphones. You had to hold them into the ears to hear anything just as the woman in the photo has figured out.

Was this the same a/c that lost control over the Pacific? Did a couple of barrel tools if I remember and the crew threw the gear down well above Vlo and subsequently tore the gear doors off which then took out half the horizontal stab. Same one? I saw it sitting at SFO for a while.

Also, first time I have seen the configuration with the wall along the seat rows. What is behind this wall?


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26029 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11873 times:

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 7):
Was this the same a/c that lost control over the Pacific? Did a couple of barrel tools if I remember and the crew threw the gear down well above Vlo and subsequently tore the gear doors off which then took out half the horizontal stab. Same one? I saw it sitting at SFO for a while.

That was China Airlines (CI, Taiwan), not Air China (CA). Photo of the CI 747SP after that event at SFO below.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19850219-0



User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2135 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11719 times:

What were the panels with foggy mountains next to the orange seats for? Was there a crew rest area behind them?


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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2463 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11700 times:

Quoting WestWing (Reply 9):
What were the panels with foggy mountains next to the orange seats for? Was there a crew rest area behind them?

It appears that there is a galley installed lengthwise, similar to present-day TG 747s.


User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2135 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11674 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 10):
a galley installed lengthwise

Oh, yes. Thank you. One can see an aircraft door and exit sign in the photograph of the galley.



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User currently offlineSQA350 From Thailand, joined Apr 2007, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11250 times:

I flew on that bird B-2442 in October of 1994 from ZRH to PEK. It was a very exciting trip for me back then, especially as it was the SP. Service though was quite basic.


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User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 567 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11107 times:

I can remember seeing CAAC 747SP at Melbourne back in the early 90s, I often woundered why they had the same livery as Aeroflot only difference was having the Chinese flag on the tail and not the old Soviet flag on the tail.

User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2749 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11072 times:

Ha! Oh the irony of a communist airline offering first class, distinct from economy. Love it. And those fantastic wall paintings.

User currently offlinepalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1224 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10755 times:

Brilliant pics -thanks for this.

Yes, it's amazing seeing that tarmac shot how far China's commercial aviation industry has changed, in such a relatively short space of time.

P/jet



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User currently offlinextra1 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 111 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10705 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 6):
Just curious where you found the photos?

From an early CAAC in-flight magazine . Kept it since I toured Chna as a child, with my parents in the late 1970/early 1980s.

[Edited 2012-08-19 03:32:00]

User currently offlineardian From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10423 times:

The wall paintings are beautiful! I wish more carriers these days took the liberty to add a bit more specialty inside their planes. Nowadays it all looks very plain, generic and boring.

User currently offlineflylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8095 times:

Best part of A.net is sharing this type of thing.

It is my understanding that the SP had a range advantage for a short period of time. What was the time-frame? What non-stop routes did it make possible. What aircraft usurped its range advantage? This is not a quiz, I really want to know.



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User currently offlineaquariusHKG From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2010, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7624 times:

Quoting flylku (Reply 18):
It is my understanding that the SP had a range advantage for a short period of time. What was the time-frame? What non-stop routes did it make possible. What aircraft usurped its range advantage? This is not a quiz, I really want to know.

I didn't look up the specific date, but the timeframe when SP is the longest range aircraft is between its first flight ~1975/1976 to when the 747-200B have enough performance updates that it can perform most of the SP's route.

Some routes opened by 747SP are:

JFK - TYO (by PA)
SYD - SFO (by QF)
JFK - THR (by IR)
(not 100% sure) HKG - SFO (by PA)
JNB - Europe (by SA, long range over the Atlantic as the flight cannot fly over the Africa continent due to the Apartheid)


User currently offlineCX711 From Singapore, joined Jun 2011, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7507 times:

I remember that PA flew the 747SP on SFO-HKG non stop (PA005/006) from at least 1976 to the mid 1980's. I do not think there was a non stop flight on the 747-200 until much later. I remember Braniff did the Pacific crossing to HKG in the late 70s, and it may also have been with the 747SP. CX introduced a HKG-YVR non-stop flight (747-200B) in the early 80s, and UA the HKG-SEA route in a DC10-30. These of course are shorter journeys.

The PA005/006 was a true game changer, as all flights from SFO-HKG before then required a stopover, generally in Tokyo. It was also a bit touch and go in the westward direction, as winter winds meant it frequently having to make an unscheduled technical stop in Okinawa or Taipei. My father who took those flights in the late 70s told me that there was a short introductory talk on the flight given by PA staff at SFO departure lounge before boarding, and that they weighed each passenger at check-in.


User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1876 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7491 times:
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Quoting flylku (Reply 18):
It is my understanding that the SP had a range advantage for a short period of time. What was the time-frame? What non-stop routes did it make possible. What aircraft usurped its range advantage? This is not a quiz, I really want to know.

The 747SP wasn't matched in terms of range until the 747-400 came along in 1989. The -400 also had the benefit of being able to carry more passengers what with the stretched upper deck and the standard 231 foot fuselage. That pretty much spelled the dealth knell for the 747SP. Some routes that seem routine today, such as Lax-Syd or Jfk-Jnb could only be operated nonstop with the 747SP. The extra range came from shrinking the fuselage from 231 feet to 184 feet, so, shorter than an A330-200 but with the same wing and engines as the 747-200.

It's amazing how far technology has come. 22 years ago, when the 74L was just starting to be replaced, the notion of a twin capable of flying from Lax-Syd or Atl-Jnb would have been unthinkable.



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User currently offlinextra1 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 111 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7339 times:

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 10):
It appears that there is a galley installed lengthwise, similar to present-day TG 747s.

Typical 747SP config:-


User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2432 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7241 times:

The engines look massive in the first night time ramps shot.

User currently offlinedeltacto From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7183 times:

Fascinating website all about the 747-SP

http://747sp.com/


25 Viscount724 : And KL 744s and 74Ms combis. Pan Am 747SPs also had the longitudinal galley option. TWA's SP's did not. KL current seat maps showing the lengthwise f
26 Post contains images DID747 : 747SP VS 747 classic.
27 Loran : Fantastic pictures, thanks for sharing. I wish I had a time machine to join a flight. I recall Pan Am also operated LAX-SYD or SFO-SYD, which was a de
28 United_fan : I read that QF's RR engines got better 'mileage ' than PA's P&W's. I read that QF swapped their 4 best engines to the SP's on that route. I read
29 tonyban : There is a galley on the other side. This is just behind the first class section.
30 The777Man : That vaaries from day to day. Most of the time, no weight restrictions, sometimes 10-20 seats but very rarely is there a need to go with 30 or over s
31 BoeingGuy : Yep, they eventually added LAX, in addition to JFK, as a tag-on a few days a week to SFO.
32 UK_Dispatcher : Here, here! That is more or less my dream fleet! They even had Viscounts back then too. A few sectors flying around China back then would have made m
33 Post contains images DID747 : Another very rare photo of old Shangai airport with 2 CAAC 747SP.
34 DID747 : Anymore info and pictures???
35 Humanitarian : I flew on one of these CAAC 747SP's sometime in the late 1980's from PEK to HKG. It was only half full and the F/A's spent much of the flight sleeping
36 vincewy : FYI, the international flights out of SHA (Hongqiao) still use this same old terminal (called Terminal 1), the difference today, though, is how much
37 seabosdca : Just like the A388 today, it looks like a pair of wings with a fuselage grafted on as an afterthought. Incredible that today's 777-300ER, with two few
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