NWADTWE16 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 242 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5532 times:
I know this was discussed when VX started these stations and maybe someone from VX can correlate but ive been watching the loads and they are doing very good at both airports most days of the week to both LAX & SFO. Nice work VX, im sure its a ways to go before the stations are profitable but filling the seats is key number 1 and they are getting premium travelers because Main Cabin Select and F are usually Sold out or down to 1.
phxa340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 624 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (9 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5390 times:
VX has never really had a load problem , more of a yield problem. Hopefully these shorter sectors help move VX towards profitability because the yields on the Transcon routes aren't too hot and very expensive to run.
Loads aren't that great of an indicator of success as I am sure you know. But hopefully VX will start churning out profits.
HiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 604 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5131 times:
Totally circumstantial....unless you're standing their at their gate for every flight with a 'clicker' you have no idea how full their flights are. They could be totally full for all we know but we dont....
Where do you think i get my info from LOL..i can tell you what the over-booking percentage is for just about every route pair in any airlines system and considering its approx 15% in these markets..having no FJZ and zerod in all other classes is not only a full flight but one thats over by the OB percentage in Coach. I didnt make this post because i had a dream last night
Where do you think i get my info from LOL..i can tell you what the over-booking percentage is for just about every route pair in any airlines system and considering its approx 15% in these markets..having no FJZ and zerod in all other classes is not only a full flight but one thats over by the OB percentage in Coach. I didnt make this post because i had a dream last night
It was my understanding that VX doesn't overbook. Can someone at VX confirm this?
wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5524 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (9 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4823 times:
Also, think about what time of year we are talking about here. Naturally, summertime is the peak travel for both SEA and PDX and so high loads are expected. Wait until to go into October, November (except Turkey Day), January and February, when loads to these destinations a traditionally significantly lower.
doug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3158 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (9 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4693 times:
I've taken about 15 segments between LAX and PDX. Never had a middle seat or anyone sitting next to me. usually the 6:30a southbound and the 7:10p northbound. I haven't seen more than 10 open seats on the AS flights I've been on. I wish VX the best, as its great to have them on this route, but they sure aren't close to full.
ghifty From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 751 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4462 times:
Quoting 737-990 (Reply 5): It was my understanding that VX doesn't overbook. Can someone at VX confirm this?
Does AS overbook? I looked at the first flight to PDX for tomorrow, 8/20, and it seems like VX and AS have about the same amount of seats open.. (if that's even scientific).
GEG2RAP From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 838 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (9 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4197 times:
AS does overbook, all the time. Some people are fine taking $400 worth of credit for a day or two.
Remember a flight can be totally full on the plane, and only paid, revenue pax at 70%. Lots of people non-rev and they take up lots of seats for free that would otherwise have been empty.
doug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3158 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (9 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4139 times:
Quoting ghifty (Reply 8): AS have about the same amount of seats open.. (if that's even scientific).
It is not. Some people don't have seats assigned yet. Some seats are blocked for higher fare classes or to be assigned by agents. Policies for both of these can vary by airline.
Have heard talk on other boards that SRB buys dummy tickets on VX as a backdoor way of funneling cash in from overseas. No idea if this is for real or just paranoid ramblings.
HiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 604 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (9 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4029 times:
Quoting doug_Or (Reply 10): Have heard talk on other boards that SRB buys dummy tickets on VX as a backdoor way of funneling cash in from overseas. No idea if this is for real or just paranoid ramblings.
Have never heard this before....pretty shocking if it's true. How would anyone know?
VXCabinCrew From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 46 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (9 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3360 times:
Quoting NWADTWE16 (Thread starter): I know this was discussed when VX started these stations and maybe someone from VX can correlate but ive been watching the loads and they are doing very good at both airports most days of the week to both LAX & SFO. Nice work VX, im sure its a ways to go before the stations are profitable but filling the seats is key number 1 and they are getting premium travelers because Main Cabin Select and F are usually Sold out or down to 1.
SEA does very well and is continually becoming an even more dominant market for us. SEA flights command strong fares and MCS and F are usually full by the time the flights go out. Our lowest fares are comparable to those offered by AS and our F fares are higher than those offered by AS. I would anticipate that we will add more SEA frequencies.
PDX flights are pretty full during peak days, but I would assume most of those are lower fares since it is a newer market that we haven't established yet. I wouldn't expect PDX to turn a profit for a least a year (I don't know anything from the company about how the route is doing, I am just basing my opinion off of historical data).
Our F class generally makes a nice profit because we don't offer complimentary upgrades at all and don't use those seats for non-revs.
Quoting 737-990 (Reply 5): It was my understanding that VX doesn't overbook. Can someone at VX confirm this?
so ill stand corrected here..its new to me coming from the majors but VX would join B6 in the not overbooking from what im gathering..Why wouldnt they overbook tho..overbooking is needed to ensure a flight goes out full. Using DTW pairs as an example, service to MCO & LAS were typically over by 30 passengers in Y on 757 equip and it almost always worked out to a full airplane, maybe 2 buyoffs. Whats VX reason for not overbooking?
RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2157 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (9 months 1 day ago) and read 2786 times:
Quoting ghifty (Reply 8): Quoting 737-990 (Reply 5):It was my understanding that VX doesn't overbook. Can someone at VX confirm this?
Does AS overbook?
I thought all carriers overbook in Y cabin, but do not in F, but I also know carriers who routinely overbook J. I guess VX is the exception, I wonder what their no-show ratio is vs other carriers, does VX take extra steps to mitigate no-shows?
Next Flights: AS PDX-SEA-KOA on DH4/738 in F, HA KOA-OGG on 717 in Y, AS OGG-PDX on 738 in F
0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 835 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (9 months 23 hours ago) and read 2682 times:
Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 11): Quoting doug_Or (Reply 10):
Have heard talk on other boards that SRB buys dummy tickets on VX as a backdoor way of funneling cash in from overseas. No idea if this is for real or just paranoid ramblings.
Have never heard this before....pretty shocking if it's true. How would anyone know?
I suspect this is false. Probably made up by some pilot at another airline and said as an off the cuff comment while in flight and then it spread like one of those western wildfires.
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wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5524 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (9 months 20 hours ago) and read 2173 times:
VX could do a lot better along the west coast if they time their flights to fit in with connections eastward and westward. There are many instances where you can VX to MCO, for example, but no return flights are available. What's up with that???
Tomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 656 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (9 months 19 hours ago) and read 2016 times:
Quoting GEG2RAP (Reply 9): AS does overbook, all the time
Although it's not as common as it used to be. Occasionally an AS flight is over by 1 or 2. But nothing like a few years back, as there are very few no shows anymore.
QX operated flights between SEA, PDX and GEG are another story, because same day standby is allowed in these markets and there is a lot of movement between flights.
Tomas SJC
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hereandthere41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 21 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (9 months 15 hours ago) and read 1290 times:
In the last 3 weeks, I've cabin jumpseated on VX 4 times on LAX and SFO/PDX. Never had a problem getting on. Sometimes the load is respectable. Other times, they're wide open. The 2nd daily SFO/PDX roundtrip is stopping soon for the low season. Really sucks for commuters. UA has nine daily flights that are full, full, full. UA, AS, and WN via OAK are often packed to the gills.
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