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KLM Fokker 100 Last Routes  
User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3255 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10246 times:

I see that the remaining F100s seem to be covering for F70s nowadays, but is there any route that one can book an F100 flight and er..... actually get one?

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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10232 times:

No, everything is scheduled by F70 or E90, they are only used as back-ups.


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User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10136 times:

When AA and US got them- they thought the would be great planes. One of the biggest issues they
faced was the bladder tanks. They got rid of them really quickly. BN2 ordered them also, and switched
to A320's . Such potential!



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User currently offlineTrucker From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 190 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9989 times:

Quoting FI642 (Reply 2):
One of the biggest issues they faced was the bladder tanks.

Before we go any farther what are bladder tanks and why were they a problem? There's been lots a discussion about the F100 on this forum but I don't recall bladder tanks ever being mentioned.


User currently offlinegr09 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2008, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9517 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Thread starter):
is there any route that one can book an F100 flight and er..... actually get one?

Unless you insist on KLM, you can fly Helvetica's F100 on ZRH-PRG for example.


User currently offlineBrouAviation From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 985 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9376 times:

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 1):
No, everything is scheduled by F70 or E90, they are only used as back-ups.


I flew MUC-AMS two weeks ago, which was scheduled being a E90, but about week in advance it changed to F100 (PH-OFO). So when an OP is willing to pay a premium price he can book his flight only a few days in advance and be quite sure he flies the F100?



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User currently offlinevisualapproach From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9327 times:

Helvetic also flies from Bristol/Cardiff to Zurich. Another garunteed F100 option. The fares are reasonable too.

User currently offlineeham From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9084 times:

The F100s are only their as back-up for an F70 or E190 going tech.

They are used all over the KLC network so flying on one of them is just luck.

I personally flew -OFP, OFM en -OFN in the last 2 months.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6669 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7117 times:

Did AF retire theirs ? I flew on them several times (which is something since I don't fly much and have never set foot on a 737 for example) PAR-BES. If I had to try a plane I would like the opposite of you, the F70 !

I saw that AF "gave" their F100 to KLM apparently, but since KLM has only a few active ones I guess it was for parts.

I'd also like to try the F50 and I see that Cityjet still has a healthy fleet of those.



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User currently offlineKaiTak747 From Switzerland, joined Aug 2012, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6710 times:

Quoting visualapproach (Reply 6):

Do you know if it is possible to book only the Cardiff-Bristol segment? That would be a unique flight! I am guessing it is less than 20 minutes.


User currently offlinevisualapproach From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6168 times:

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 9):

No it isn't.

And with that said, the Cardiff tag on is being removed later this year and the flight will operate to/from BRS exclusively.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5601 times:
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Quoting Trucker (Reply 3):
Quoting FI642 (Reply 2):One of the biggest issues they faced was the bladder tanks.


Before we go any farther what are bladder tanks and why were they a problem? There's been lots a discussion about the F100 on this forum but I don't recall bladder tanks ever being mentioned.

As I understand it, a bladder tank can source either potable or non-potable water or can store grey water.

[Edited 2012-08-20 11:27:18]

User currently offlinembe0002 From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5368 times:

Not KLM for sure but what about OS / Tyrolean?. You can see them daily at FRA to SZG some flights to VIE, too. Both very nice destinations  

User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 778 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5276 times:

Not to forget OLT Express (the German one - not the bancrupt polish OLT ! ) on a few routes.


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User currently offlineScottishDavie From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2011, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5161 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Thread starter):
but is there any route that one can book an F100 flight and er..... actually get one?

Contact Air fly EDI-DUS on behalf of LH using an F100


User currently offlineaxelesgg From Sweden, joined Jan 2010, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4552 times:

It doesn't have to be in days advance, this flight changed from E190 to F100 just some hours before departure from AMS :/


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[Edited 2012-08-20 13:30:33]

User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4531 times:

I flew KLM's F100 on the AMS-FRA leg.... shaking on my legs due the F100 very bad reputation in Brazil due to TAM's several crashes/accidents/incidents....

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4453 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 16):
I flew KLM's F100 on the AMS-FRA leg.... shaking on my legs due the F100 very bad reputation in Brazil due to TAM's several crashes/accidents/incidents....

In what way was that the fault of the design?


User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2326 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4078 times:

Im not sure there was any mention of faulty design, purely local bad reputation.

User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1874 posts, RR: 41
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4014 times:
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Quoting skipness1E (Thread starter):
but is there any route that one can book an F100 flight and er..... actually get one?

Tyrolean Airways now exclusively operates on the VIE-AMS-VIE route on behalf of Austrian Airlines (unless they get REALLY desperate for bigger planes), and they generally send the 100. A few times a week it may be a F70 but it's your safest bet to get one out of AMS!

Martijn



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User currently offlineAviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 41
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

Quoting FI642 (Reply 2):
One of the biggest issues they
faced was the bladder tanks.

They don't HAVE a bladder tank perse, it was an customer option.
Bladder, Integrated or no center wing tank at all.

Quoting Trucker (Reply 3):
Before we go any farther what are bladder tanks and why were they a problem?

Nope, they are not.
From an Sfar88 point of view with today's knowledge it is even the best choice.

Quoting Trucker (Reply 3):
There's been lots a discussion about the F100 on this forum but I don't recall bladder tanks ever being mentioned.

Guess because most have no clue what so ever.............  
like :
Quoting andrefranca (Reply 16):
shaking on my legs due the F100 very bad reputation in Brazil due to TAM's several crashes/accidents/incidents....

and :
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 11):
As I understand it, a bladder tank can source either potable or non-potable water or can store grey water.


Quoting eham (Reply 7):
They are used all over the KLC network so flying on one of them is just luck.

To my best knowledge there is no F100 left in KL fleet.



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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

Quoting CrimsonNL (Reply 19):
Tyrolean Airways now exclusively operates on the VIE-AMS-VIE route on behalf of Austrian Airlines (unless they get REALLY desperate for bigger planes),

Tyrolean now operates almost ALL routes on behalf of Austrian.  
Quoting Aviopic (Reply 20):
To my best knowledge there is no F100 left in KL fleet.

Time to update your knowlegde, there are still 3 F100's left, PH-OFM/O/P.



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User currently onlineDeltaB717 From Australia, joined Jun 2012, 490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3283 times:
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What are the plans for their F70s? Will they start retiring soon too or are they around for a while to come?

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3250 times:

Quoting Aviopic (Reply 20):
To my best knowledge there is no F100 left in KL fleet.

Saw at least three at the weekend, indeed I fell asleep under one in the shade......


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 613 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 17):
Quoting by738 (Reply 18):

It was mechanical failure, there was an uncommanded reverse thrust while on air and thus losing power, stalled, yawed to the right and struck a building, and others were TAM's own mistakes (officially 7 involving F100) but of course TAM is not going to blame themselves but someone else! Because of that Avianca-Brasil (while it was called Oceanair) had to call its F100, MK-27 on its website to avoid fear...


25 n729pa : You'll have to make do with PH-OFE on the roof of Schiphol if you want to board a KLM F100!
26 viasa : PH-OFM: flights today (untill now): BSL-AMS-NCL-AMS-VIE PH-OFO: flights today (untill now): LUX-AMS-LUX-AMS-TRF-AMS PH-OFP: flights today (untill now)
27 Post contains images Viscount724 : At least you can still visit the retired KL F100 that's now on display on the excellent observation deck at AMS. It was originally delivered to Canadi
28 adriaticflight : You can still fly a Fokker100 with Montenegro Airlines. Gatwick- Tivat...
29 CrimsonNL : I guess he means regular (mainline) KLM, and you are referring to KLM Cityhopper, which technically is a standalone airline! Martijn[Edited 2012-08-2
30 Post contains links and images Aviopic : It was an mechanical failure indeed but one that should not have led to an accident if handeld properly by the crew I must confess not to keep a shar
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