BDL757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 128 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 12002 times:
As I was looking at schedules and stuff for a family member for flights next summer to YVR, I noticed that Delta is starting JFK to YVR service on 6/6/13. It appears to be year round and will utilize 737-800 equipment:
DL1393 JFK0820 – 1135YVR 738 D
DL1356 YVR1145 – 2030JFK 738 D
Also, when I looked at the schedule I noticed there was a 10 minute turn time so I wondered where another 738 would come from and it looks like next summer's MSP to YVR flight will operate with 738s on 2 out of 3 frequencies. This info was confirmed on another website.
Some nice increases to the YVR station!! It's always nice to so see new routes, frequencies, and equipment to Canada as it's a relatively weak spot in DL's network.
RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2162 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 11779 times:
Quoting BDL757 (Thread starter): It appears to be year round and will utilize 737-800 equipment
So how many carriers does this make, CX, AC, DL and UA via EWR? Is there really that much connecting traffic, or is O/D between YVR & NYC that much better than SEA? Timing isn't workable for European flights, so is O/D their target? I kind of thought CX had that wrapped up with daily 744 flights and reasonable fares, with Cathay service, I'm sure it's much nicer product than a DL 737 or any of the other competition. Just a odd market IMO for DL to be targeting, maybe this is much more for cruise passengers. Times are better for a NYC origin business traveller than one from YVR, guess that is DL's target audience?
Next Flights: AS PDX-SEA-KOA on DH4/738 in F, HA KOA-OGG on 717 in Y, AS OGG-PDX on 738 in F
mogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (9 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 11523 times:
definitely O&D. I think UA is only summer-seasonal. NYC-YVR fares rarely fall below $525, while NYC-SEA fares are in the 3xx range during off-season sales.
4 carriers combined and it's only 4x daily in summer, 3x daily in winter, and only 1 plane that's wide body (with pax-unfriendly arrival time of 1:30am into YVR). I wonder which one came first - the high fares or the low demand ?
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1): So how many carriers does this make, CX, AC, DL and UA via EWR? Is there really that much connecting traffic, or is O/D between YVR & NYC that much better than SEA? Timing isn't workable for European flights, so is O/D their target? I kind of thought CX had that wrapped up with daily 744 flights and reasonable fares, with Cathay service, I'm sure it's much nicer product than a DL 737 or any of the other competition. Just a odd market IMO for DL to be targeting, maybe this is much more for cruise passengers. Times are better for a NYC origin business traveller than one from YVR, guess that is DL's target audience?
PI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 599 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (9 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 11414 times:
Big market for summer Alaska cruise traffic, as flying to SEA generally requires an additional travel day to allow for arrival in YVR by noon to board ship.
FSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 625 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (9 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 11318 times:
Quoting BDL757 (Thread starter): Some nice increases to the YVR station!! It's always nice to so see new routes, frequencies, and equipment to Canada as it's a relatively weak spot in DL's network.
I wouldn't call DL's presence in Canada "weak". They're not as big as UA, but they do serve the following routes:
FoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2807 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (9 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 10774 times:
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 7): And CX is not the first carrier people think about when flying to Canada...though they should.
I agree, CX is a great option. There's no comparison between a CX 77W and a domestic narrowbody, and the fares are often quite good too. However, the timing is not ideal for everyone--some folks don't want to land in YVR at 1am or take a redeye back to JFK, and for that reason I have sometimes taken other flights even when CX was available.
I would add that, in addition to cruise traffic in the summer, this flight will cater to ski traffic to Whistler in the winter. Good addition by DL, and I wish them well on the route.
brilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 3180 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (9 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 9921 times:
Quoting dtwpilot225 (Reply 2): Great news, even though the E175 is a great aircraft. Its nice to see a mainline aircraft on MSP-YVR
Is the E175 not a mainline aircraft? I thought that airlines were using as such. I fly with AC from YVR on business and often travel on their E190/175's and find it is very nice and comparable to their larger aircraft.
CODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2167 posts, RR: 8 Reply 19, posted (9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 8877 times:
Quoting Q (Reply 12): Upgauge is not spelling word.
You mean "Upgrade" ?
Upgauge in airline industry parlance means to substitute a larger aircraft ("gauge") for a smaller one, such as here with E75 to 738. The opposite is a "downgauge", which would be 738 to E75. On a flight that operates with an enroute aircraft change, this is called a "change of gauge".
In the airline business, an upgrade refers to a change in a passenger's itinerary to a higher class of service, or a pilot moving from the right seat to the left, among some other uses.
To be clear AC and UA are via EWR; CX and DL will be JFK
Seems like YVR is trying to grow, grow, grow and try to rival SEA.
DL and AA has many codeshare flights with WJ.
I just recently saw a DL flight from YYZ to LAX nonstop. I did a double take since I didn't hear the announcement DL flew nonstop to LAX, but it turned out to be a codeshare with WJ.
connies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 3857 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 8206 times:
Quoting YYZAMS (Reply 20): Seems like YVR is trying to grow, grow, grow and try to rival SEA.
Indeed, the YVR Airport Authority is even now looking at the feasibility of a 3rd E-W runway. It would be built on totally new land west of the terminal complex. I can already envisage the green movement picketing, etc.
Quoting YYZAMS (Reply 20): but it turned out to be a codeshare with WJ.
lychemsa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 905 posts, RR: 3 Reply 24, posted (9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 8205 times:
I would pick Cathay Pacific over DELTA on this route. 100 x better service.
25 usflyer msp: CX has horrible flight times and no preclearance. Who wants to arrive in YVR at 1AM?
26 longhauler: Are you sure about this? WS doesn't fly from YYZ-LAX. They do however, code-share on AA's YYZ-LAX flight. Or is DL code-sharing on a WS flight which
27 BoeingGuy: It doesn't work that way. An airline doesn't code share on a code share partner's code share like that. DL would only be code sharing on a WS flight
28 connies4ever: Didn't WS try a 1x YYZ-LAX a few years back, and then retreated ? Yes, AA do it 1x as well, but that market seems to me pretty much AC territory.
30 SLCUT2777: If further DL/WS agreements are reached (speculation) I suspect these two routes as well as a historic SLC-YEG will go WS for at least 1 frequency. M
31 BoeingGuy: I'm not aware that DL has pulled down SLC in the slightest. What data do you have that suggests SLC will go the way of MEM or CVG? Others have posted
32 brilondon: I first of all don't believe that for a moment, both MEM and CVG are too close to major hubs to be viable. Also,SLC is further west and makes for a g
33 LHCVG: Believe it or not, both DL and AC (Jazz) fly CVG-YYZ. I thought DL had dropped it, but lo and behold, I just did a dummy booking for Friday and 3 n/s
34 FlyASAGuy2005: Not so fast. I've personally seem AA's code on an "Alaska" flight but at the bottom it said Operated By Delta Air Lines. It was a topic of discussion
35 BoeingGuy: I'd like to see this one. AA wouldn't have code share rights on a DL operated flight. Besides how would it be AA's code on an AS flight if it were op
36 FlyASAGuy2005: The code was on AS's flight number, which was on DL metal. I don't remember what the route pairwas but Enilria is good with that stuff maybe he'll re
37 OOer: The timing seems to be awful. No international arriving passengers at JFK will make the YVR flight and most won't be able to connect onto an internati
39 YVRLTN: Nice DL! Interestingly, the first regular DL 738 only arrived at YVR this summer on the DTW Saturday only seasonal flight. There were / are quite a fe
40 yegbey01: I had the pleasure of flying HKG-YVR-JFK back in November in business class. I would say, half of the pax got off in Vancouver (in Biz and First) - ca
41 CPA62: That would be wishful thinking! Despite the success of Bellingham Airport and the arrival of Emirates into Seattle i am surprised to see YVR doing so
42 FSDan: Not even close. I'm not sure why this idea keeps coming up. SLC has more mainline service now than it has had for many years (just took a quick look
43 ANM604: Good to see YVR getting some more service, even if it's not a new market. Personally I thought DL would try running ATL-YVR year round to try and comp
44 cbphoto: On a good number of Saturdays this summer, DL has been running a 757 between MSP-YVR! Does that still continue next summer as well?
45 RWA380: More than meaning, it's required. Anyone remember the first time you said upgrade vs upgauge? I do, my a** still hurts. Not that great of an arrival
46 PSU.DTW.SCE: DL has MSP and SLC to route their traffic into YVR. The vast majority of markets have easy year-round connections over both hubs. Most connections ca
48 Viscount724: Is that really true? I thought DL (including regional partners) served more cities in Canada than any other U.S. carrier. I'm pretty sure that was th
49 Cubsrule: They've cut back a lot of smaller Ontario markets ex-DTW. I expect UA serves more cities now, as UA has picked up YXU/YKF/YQT/YLW in the past 5 years
50 davescj: As noted above, this is a red-eye. I suspect that does effect what traffic gets not the plane if they plan to fly only to Canada. The flight is timed
51 mogandoCI: I don't think AA code-shares on the CX JFK-YVR flight, so if you want to accrue AA miles you'll be pretty much paying for full-fare economy or higher
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