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Delta To Start JFK-YVR; Upgauge MSP-YVR  
User currently offlineBDL757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 149 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 hours ago) and read 13897 times:

As I was looking at schedules and stuff for a family member for flights next summer to YVR, I noticed that Delta is starting JFK to YVR service on 6/6/13. It appears to be year round and will utilize 737-800 equipment:

DL1393 JFK0820 – 1135YVR 738 D
DL1356 YVR1145 – 2030JFK 738 D

Also, when I looked at the schedule I noticed there was a 10 minute turn time so I wondered where another 738 would come from and it looks like next summer's MSP to YVR flight will operate with 738s on 2 out of 3 frequencies. This info was confirmed on another website.

Some nice increases to the YVR station!! It's always nice to so see new routes, frequencies, and equipment to Canada as it's a relatively weak spot in DL's network.

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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3182 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 hours ago) and read 13677 times:

Quoting BDL757 (Thread starter):
It appears to be year round and will utilize 737-800 equipment

So how many carriers does this make, CX, AC, DL and UA via EWR? Is there really that much connecting traffic, or is O/D between YVR & NYC that much better than SEA? Timing isn't workable for European flights, so is O/D their target? I kind of thought CX had that wrapped up with daily 744 flights and reasonable fares, with Cathay service, I'm sure it's much nicer product than a DL 737 or any of the other competition. Just a odd market IMO for DL to be targeting, maybe this is much more for cruise passengers. Times are better for a NYC origin business traveller than one from YVR, guess that is DL's target audience?



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User currently offlinedtwpilot225 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 hours ago) and read 13462 times:
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Great news, even though the E175 is a great aircraft. Its nice to see a mainline aircraft on MSP-YVR

User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 hours ago) and read 13421 times:

definitely O&D. I think UA is only summer-seasonal. NYC-YVR fares rarely fall below $525, while NYC-SEA fares are in the 3xx range during off-season sales.

4 carriers combined and it's only 4x daily in summer, 3x daily in winter, and only 1 plane that's wide body (with pax-unfriendly arrival time of 1:30am into YVR). I wonder which one came first - the high fares or the low demand ?

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1):
So how many carriers does this make, CX, AC, DL and UA via EWR? Is there really that much connecting traffic, or is O/D between YVR & NYC that much better than SEA? Timing isn't workable for European flights, so is O/D their target? I kind of thought CX had that wrapped up with daily 744 flights and reasonable fares, with Cathay service, I'm sure it's much nicer product than a DL 737 or any of the other competition. Just a odd market IMO for DL to be targeting, maybe this is much more for cruise passengers. Times are better for a NYC origin business traveller than one from YVR, guess that is DL's target audience?


User currently offlinePI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 665 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 hours ago) and read 13311 times:
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Big market for summer Alaska cruise traffic, as flying to SEA generally requires an additional travel day to allow for arrival in YVR by noon to board ship.


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User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 753 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 hours ago) and read 13215 times:

Quoting BDL757 (Thread starter):
Some nice increases to the YVR station!! It's always nice to so see new routes, frequencies, and equipment to Canada as it's a relatively weak spot in DL's network.

I wouldn't call DL's presence in Canada "weak". They're not as big as UA, but they do serve the following routes:

SLC-YVR
SLC-YYC
MSP-YVR
MSP-YYC
MSP-YEG
MSP-YXE
MSP-YQR
MSP-YWG
MSP-YYZ
MSP-YUL
DTW-YVR (summer)
DTW-YYZ
DTW-YOW
DTW-YUL
DTW-YQB
DTW-YHZ (summer)
CVG-YYZ
ATL-YVR (summer)
ATL-YYZ
ATL-YUL
LGA-YOW
LGA-YUL
LGA-YHZ
JFK-YYZ
JFK-YUL
JFK-YYG (summer)

And now JFK-YVR.

Also, LGA-YYZ is served via a codeshare with WS.



SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7551 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 hours ago) and read 13140 times:

Quoting dtwpilot225 (Reply 2):
Great news, even though the E175 is a great aircraft. Its nice to see a mainline aircraft on MSP-YVR

MSP-YVR has traditionally been 3x daily summer (2x A320, 1x E75), then dropping down to 1-2x E75 during the winter months.

Putting the 738 on MSP-YVR is neglible since its traditionally been A320s for the past few years.

However, at its peak about 5-6 years ago, MSP-YVR was 4-5 daily A320 and 757 back in the NW days.


User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3431 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 hours ago) and read 12978 times:

"So how many carriers does this make, CX, AC, DL and UA via EWR?"

AC is out of EWR.

And CX is not the first carrier people think about when flying to Canada...though they should.

The move from JFK to EWR by AC left this wide open for DL or AA to step in and now they will have to deal with the extra competition.


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2996 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 hours ago) and read 12669 times:

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 7):
And CX is not the first carrier people think about when flying to Canada...though they should.

I agree, CX is a great option. There's no comparison between a CX 77W and a domestic narrowbody, and the fares are often quite good too. However, the timing is not ideal for everyone--some folks don't want to land in YVR at 1am or take a redeye back to JFK, and for that reason I have sometimes taken other flights even when CX was available.

I would add that, in addition to cruise traffic in the summer, this flight will cater to ski traffic to Whistler in the winter. Good addition by DL, and I wish them well on the route.



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User currently offlineRKSofACinUSA From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 hours ago) and read 12521 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 3):
definitely O&D

Not necessarily. The DL flight is timed well with flights to Asia on Sky Team partners KE and MU.

The AC flight EWRYVR connects a lot of people to Asian flights out of YVR too.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 hour ago) and read 12358 times:

Quoting RKSofACinUSA (Reply 9):
The DL flight is timed well with flights to Asia on Sky Team partners KE and MU.

At the same time, they usually don't sell tickets that connect through a non-hub.


User currently offlineRKSofACinUSA From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 hour ago) and read 12302 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 10):
At the same time, they usually don't sell tickets that connect through a non-hub.

True but that doesn't mean the flight won't have a lot of KE and MU customers on it.


User currently offlineQ From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11992 times:

Upgauge is not spelling word.

You mean "Upgrade" ?

Q


User currently offlineKLAXAirport From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11908 times:

Vancouver EH?   

Why doesn't Delta join in on the LAX-YVR market with AC,WJ, and AS?
Not enough pax to do the route?

Cheers,
KLAXAirport   


User currently offlineaquariusHKG From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2010, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11814 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1):
I kind of thought CX had that wrapped up with daily 744 flights

Minor correction, it's running with a 77W right now, with 3 or 4 class service


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 4193 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11816 times:

Quoting dtwpilot225 (Reply 2):
Great news, even though the E175 is a great aircraft. Its nice to see a mainline aircraft on MSP-YVR

Is the E175 not a mainline aircraft? I thought that airlines were using as such. I fly with AC from YVR on business and often travel on their E190/175's and find it is very nice and comparable to their larger aircraft.



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11714 times:

Quoting RKSofACinUSA (Reply 9):
The AC flight EWRYVR connects a lot of people to Asian flights out of YVR too.

Well, it's an A319, so "a lot" is kind of relative here.

Quoting Q (Reply 12):
Upgauge is not spelling word.

Well, it's a word that has meaning here.  


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11512 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 15):

For DL, the E175 is not a mainline aircraft. they are operated by Shurttle America and Compass.


User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 756 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10946 times:

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 10):
At the same time, they usually don't sell tickets that connect through a non-hub.

I guess you haven't seen the bazaar connections in/out of MCI!



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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2403 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 10772 times:

Quoting Q (Reply 12):
Upgauge is not spelling word.

You mean "Upgrade" ?

Upgauge in airline industry parlance means to substitute a larger aircraft ("gauge") for a smaller one, such as here with E75 to 738. The opposite is a "downgauge", which would be 738 to E75. On a flight that operates with an enroute aircraft change, this is called a "change of gauge".

In the airline business, an upgrade refers to a change in a passenger's itinerary to a higher class of service, or a pilot moving from the right seat to the left, among some other uses.


User currently offlineYYZAMS From Canada, joined Feb 2011, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10601 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1):

To be clear AC and UA are via EWR; CX and DL will be JFK

Seems like YVR is trying to grow, grow, grow and try to rival SEA.


DL and AA has many codeshare flights with WJ.
I just recently saw a DL flight from YYZ to LAX nonstop. I did a double take since I didn't hear the announcement DL flew nonstop to LAX, but it turned out to be a codeshare with WJ.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10442 times:

Quoting B727FA (Reply 18):
I guess you haven't seen the bazaar connections in/out of MCI!

You're talking about DL or WN here ?


User currently offlinedeltacto From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10162 times:

Quoting KLAXAirport (Reply 13):
Why doesn't Delta join in on the LAX-YVR market with AC,WJ, and AS?
Not enough pax to do the route?

Delta has flown this route before - after the Western merger.

OAG's from 1989 and 1995 show 3 flights a day:

http://www.departedflights.com/LAX89p10.html

http://www.departedflights.com/LAX95p11.html

It was gone by 1998


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10101 times:

Quoting YYZAMS (Reply 20):
Seems like YVR is trying to grow, grow, grow and try to rival SEA.

Indeed, the YVR Airport Authority is even now looking at the feasibility of a 3rd E-W runway. It would be built on totally new land west of the terminal complex. I can already envisage the green movement picketing, etc.

Quoting YYZAMS (Reply 20):
but it turned out to be a codeshare with WJ.

WS, not WJ. WJ is Air Labrador.



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlinelychemsa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1185 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 10100 times:

I would pick Cathay Pacific over DELTA on this route. 100 x better service.

25 usflyer msp : CX has horrible flight times and no preclearance. Who wants to arrive in YVR at 1AM?
26 longhauler : Are you sure about this? WS doesn't fly from YYZ-LAX. They do however, code-share on AA's YYZ-LAX flight. Or is DL code-sharing on a WS flight which
27 BoeingGuy : It doesn't work that way. An airline doesn't code share on a code share partner's code share like that. DL would only be code sharing on a WS flight
28 connies4ever : Didn't WS try a 1x YYZ-LAX a few years back, and then retreated ? Yes, AA do it 1x as well, but that market seems to me pretty much AC territory.
29 burnsie28 : There are 2 A320's MSP-YVR today.
30 SLCUT2777 : If further DL/WS agreements are reached (speculation) I suspect these two routes as well as a historic SLC-YEG will go WS for at least 1 frequency. M
31 BoeingGuy : I'm not aware that DL has pulled down SLC in the slightest. What data do you have that suggests SLC will go the way of MEM or CVG? Others have posted
32 brilondon : I first of all don't believe that for a moment, both MEM and CVG are too close to major hubs to be viable. Also,SLC is further west and makes for a g
33 LHCVG : Believe it or not, both DL and AC (Jazz) fly CVG-YYZ. I thought DL had dropped it, but lo and behold, I just did a dummy booking for Friday and 3 n/s
34 FlyASAGuy2005 : Not so fast. I've personally seem AA's code on an "Alaska" flight but at the bottom it said Operated By Delta Air Lines. It was a topic of discussion
35 BoeingGuy : I'd like to see this one. AA wouldn't have code share rights on a DL operated flight. Besides how would it be AA's code on an AS flight if it were op
36 FlyASAGuy2005 : The code was on AS's flight number, which was on DL metal. I don't remember what the route pairwas but Enilria is good with that stuff maybe he'll re
37 OOer : The timing seems to be awful. No international arriving passengers at JFK will make the YVR flight and most won't be able to connect onto an internati
38 FURUREFA : And also BOS-YYZ.
39 YVRLTN : Nice DL! Interestingly, the first regular DL 738 only arrived at YVR this summer on the DTW Saturday only seasonal flight. There were / are quite a fe
40 yegbey01 : I had the pleasure of flying HKG-YVR-JFK back in November in business class. I would say, half of the pax got off in Vancouver (in Biz and First) - ca
41 CPA62 : That would be wishful thinking! Despite the success of Bellingham Airport and the arrival of Emirates into Seattle i am surprised to see YVR doing so
42 FSDan : Not even close. I'm not sure why this idea keeps coming up. SLC has more mainline service now than it has had for many years (just took a quick look
43 ANM604 : Good to see YVR getting some more service, even if it's not a new market. Personally I thought DL would try running ATL-YVR year round to try and comp
44 cbphoto : On a good number of Saturdays this summer, DL has been running a 757 between MSP-YVR! Does that still continue next summer as well?
45 RWA380 : More than meaning, it's required. Anyone remember the first time you said upgrade vs upgauge? I do, my a** still hurts. Not that great of an arrival
46 PSU.DTW.SCE : DL has MSP and SLC to route their traffic into YVR. The vast majority of markets have easy year-round connections over both hubs. Most connections ca
47 B727FA : Delta flights.
48 Viscount724 : Is that really true? I thought DL (including regional partners) served more cities in Canada than any other U.S. carrier. I'm pretty sure that was th
49 Cubsrule : They've cut back a lot of smaller Ontario markets ex-DTW. I expect UA serves more cities now, as UA has picked up YXU/YKF/YQT/YLW in the past 5 years
50 davescj : As noted above, this is a red-eye. I suspect that does effect what traffic gets not the plane if they plan to fly only to Canada. The flight is timed
51 mogandoCI : I don't think AA code-shares on the CX JFK-YVR flight, so if you want to accrue AA miles you'll be pretty much paying for full-fare economy or higher
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