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LAN Perú To Set A Record On The LIM-CUZ Route!  
User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10037 times:
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As part of the Green Skies of Perú project, LAN Perú intends to increase frequencies on certain routes in Perú. Starting in October, LAN Perú will operate the LIM-CUZ route up to 154x weekly (source: amadeus.net)! Thus, on certain days LAN Perú will offer up to 24 non-stop flights on the LIM-CUZ route! This will be the first time that any single carrier has operated that many non-stop flights between LIM and CUZ on a single day!

CC-CYJ Landing At CUZ:

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User currently offlinemayhem From Belgium, joined Feb 2006, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10157 times:

Interesting!
2 questions:
- I flew this one on an a319, can this be flown by larger? Other AC I saw at CUZ were 732 and avro jets, what's the largest CUZ can take?
- Are all LA and LP pilots certified to do the (spectacular) CUZ approaches? Or is there a subset only?


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10129 times:
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Quoting mayhem (Reply 1):
I flew this one on an a319, can this be flown by larger? Other AC I saw at CUZ were 732 and avro jets, what's the largest CUZ can take?

The A321, LAN will begin to incorporate the A321 a/c into its fleet starting next year and has identified the LIM-CUZ route as a candidate for A321 service.

Quoting mayhem (Reply 1):
Are all LA and LP pilots certified to do the (spectacular) CUZ approaches? Or is there a subset only?

Only LAN Perú pilots operate flights into CUZ. And yes, all LAN Perú A319 pilots are certified to operate the LIM-CUZ route.


User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4401 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10101 times:

CUZ is high 4000m and in a norrow deep valley. Looking at its departures it is dominated by A319, a few 732, Avro and E190. So it looks it is not certified for A320/737NG

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10052 times:
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Quoting Burkhard (Reply 3):
So it looks it is not certified for A320/737NG

Are you sure about that? Another carrier operates the A320 into CUZ and has operated the A321 into CUZ as well...


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7262 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10030 times:

I flew the route with LA aboard CC-COQ LIM-CUZ-LIM which was an A320. It is indeed feasible for larger than 319 ops

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9996 times:
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Quoting Burkhard (Reply 3):
So it looks it is not certified for A320/737NG

A-320-233 CC-COT Departing CUZ for LIM:

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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9980 times:

I wonder how many of those CUZ pax are only using it as a gateway to machu picchu

User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 849 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9984 times:

Quoting mayhem (Reply 1):
Other AC I saw at CUZ were 732 and avro jets, what's the largest CUZ can take?

Many moons ago [June 2003] I flew from Cusco to Puerto Maldonado - what a sweet little airport - and my flight log shows that journey [and the subsequent return to Lima] being on an AeroContinente Boeing 727 - though I failed to note which particular version of the 727 it was.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9913 times:
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Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 7):
I wonder how many of those CUZ pax are only using it as a gateway to machu picchu

Over 1 million people live in the Cuzco Region! LAN Perú operates flights from CUZ to PEM thrice daily, along with daily flights between CUZ and both JUL and AQP!


User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 989 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9864 times:

Loved the landing in CUZ on LAN Peru a couple of years ago! Reminded me of some airports in Alaska with mountains on three sides of the runway. Big ol' 180 degree bank turn just before landing.

User currently onlinekl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9742 times:

With a distance of roughly 580 km wouldnt a highspeed rail or highway be better? Like they did in Spain between Barcelona and Madrid.

User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1672 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9575 times:

Quoting kl911 (Reply 11):
With a distance of roughly 580 km wouldnt a highspeed rail or highway be better? Like they did in Spain between Barcelona and Madrid.

I wouldn't want to see the economics of a high speed rail being built through the Andes...


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9496 times:
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This video details the RNP savings from every flight that LAN Perú operates between LIM and CUZ: http://youtu.be/axTdo-Ic06M

User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9367 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
Over 1 million people live in the Cuzco Region! LAN Perú operates flights from CUZ to PEM thrice daily, along with daily flights between CUZ and both JUL and AQP!

wow .... 1 million ... that's like ... Albany NY! I'm sure those 1mil Cuzco residents are flooded with cash to fly to Lima all the time.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9317 times:
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Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 14):
wow .... 1 million ... that's like ... Albany NY! I'm sure those 1mil Cuzco residents are flooded with cash to fly to Lima all the time.

Whether you like it or not; they do fly on LAN Perú not only to LIM, but to other domestic destinations that LAN Perú serves with-in Perú! And guess what, LAN Perú is increasing frequencies to other cities with-in Perú as well. Do many tourists visit destinations such as AQP?


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9297 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 15):
Whether you like it or not; they do fly on LAN Perú not only to LIM, but to other domestic destinations that LAN Perú serves with-in Perú! And guess what, LAN Perú is increasing frequencies to other cities with-in Perú as well. Do many tourists visit destinations such as AQP?

How is any of that relevant? I was originally asking how many tourists are on LIM-CUZ services, and you diverge off to AQP. Do you have actual data to show that local Peru residents not on tourism purposes account for the majority for LIM-CUZ pax numbers ?


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9252 times:
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Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 16):
How is any of that relevant? I was originally asking how many tourists are on LIM-CUZ services, and you diverge off to AQP.

Just to show that you really lack knowledge of the Peruvian domestic market. LAN Perú is also increasing frequencies to other destinations with-in Perú as the Peruvian economy continues to grow robustly!

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 16):
Do you have actual data to show that local Peru residents not on tourism purposes account for the majority for LIM-CUZ pax numbers ?

The majority of passengers traveling on the LIM-CUZ route are Peruvian citizens.


User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9219 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 17):

Just to show that you really lack knowledge of the Peruvian domestic market. LAN Perú is also increasing frequencies to other destinations with-in Perú as the Peruvian economy continues to grow robustly!

Your "knowledge" of the market comes straight out of reading spreadsheets provided by your employer LAN, so that's nothing impressive at all.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9173 times:
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Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 18):
Your "knowledge" of the market comes straight out of reading spreadsheets provided by your employer LAN, so that's nothing impressive at all.

Really? Why don't you enlighten us as to what the percentage of domestic capacity will grow to year on year for this November in Perú. Also, what is the fastest growing domestic carrier with-in Perú after LAN Perú, hint it's not TA?


User currently offlinea300 american From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 9145 times:

MogandoCI: SCL767 is absolutely correct. Peru's economy is very (has been) robust and thus business travel has become more of a factor. The tourism to Machu Picchu also has been extremely robust in that there is discussion about having time limits for tourist at the ruins so MORE tourist can visit (stupid idea IMO). I can understand why LAN would want to increase capacity. I don't have stats, but I do read the local Peruvian newspaper everyday and still keep up with the tourist business there. I used to be a travel agent, but have since sold the business. BTW, you asked how many use CUZ as a "gateway" to the ruins. I would say the grand majority of them. The only way to see the ruins (by air) is to land in CUZ.

[Edited 2012-08-21 08:52:26]

[Edited 2012-08-21 09:41:25 by A300 American]

User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8964 times:
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To what other destinations is LAN increasing frequencies? How many total flights does LAN have from LIM? I'm guessing it's becoming one of the largest hubs in terms of flights after BOG, PTY, and GRU (Not in order nor do I know the actual stats, just a lucky guess).


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8870 times:
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Quoting avi8 (Reply 21):

To what other destinations is LAN increasing frequencies?

To domestic destinations with-in Perú such as AQP, IQT, PCL, PIU, TBP, TRU, etc. LAN Perú will also increase frequency on the LIM-UIO route to 2x daily, the LIM-JFK route will increase to 11x weekly, the LIM-MIA route will increase to 17x weekly, the LIM-LAX route will increase to 13x weekly, the LIM-SCL route will increase to 9x daily. In November, LAN Perú will launch a second daily service to Bolivia operating as LIM-LPB-VVI daily; which will complement the existing LIM-VVI-LPB-LIM 4x weekly service and the existing LIM-LPB-VVI-LIM 3x weekly service. Also, TAM will launch GIG-LIM at 3x weekly initially on 31OCT12. Additional flights to CCS, CUN, HAV, MEX, etc. are planned as well.


User currently offlineSPIM2EDDN From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8807 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 3):
CUZ is high 4000m and in a norrow deep valley. Looking at its departures it is dominated by A319, a few 732, Avro and E190. So it looks it is not certified for A320/737NG
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 4):
Are you sure about that? Another carrier operates the A320 into CUZ and has operated the A321 into CUZ as well...

Actually Aero Continente and AA used to operate the 752 into CUZ.

And I've seen pictures of the former Luftwaffe A310 (you can find them on that other popular aviation photography site) and a C-17 landing in CUZ.

[Edited 2012-08-21 11:21:15]

User currently offline123 From Bolivia, joined Nov 2003, 745 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8743 times:

Amaszonas of Bolivia want to serve CUZ as well, now that 5L is gone and LB since long does not serve CUZ anymore.

25 SCL767 : Yep, AA used to fly JFK-LIM-CUZ without Fifth Freedom Rights on the LIM-CUZ sector. According to their website, daily flights with the CRJ200 commenc
26 RCS763AV : The topic is kind of misleading. I thought they were going to do some altitude/aircraft performance related stunt! Anyway, it's good to hear that the
27 Post contains links SCL767 : Why is it misleading; as I explained in OP, no other carrier has ever operated up to 24 daily non-stop flights on the LIM-CUZ route; which is the mos
28 realsim : What a weak comparison. 1 million people in the middle of the Andes mountains is not the same as 1 million people in Frankfurt, or 1 million people i
29 RCS763AV : Ok, not misleading. Maybe a little bit sensationalist. It's probably the first thread I've seen in years when someone calls operating a large schedul
30 SCL767 : IMO, it's actually quite fascinating since CUZ does not permit night take-offs or landings! And what's wrong if Peruvians and Foreigners are travelin
31 BoeingGuy : Boeing flew the 747SP into CUZ as part of a sales demonstration. So CUZ can handle larger airplanes.
32 Post contains images RAGAZZO777 : It's 'funny' how some posters in this thread talk about the Peruvian domestic market with no actual data and no background information. It's a FACT t
33 RCS763AV : Nothing is wrong with it. You just jumped into the conclusion that a user was somehow saying it was because of his poorly chosen, yet true words. Ind
34 SCL767 : Indeed, also it's important to note that LIM serves as a domestic hub offering multiple daily connections. Next month, LAN Perú will increase freque
35 kenadams : While some data about the Peruvian domestic market would be desirable and beneficial to this discussion, I believe one aspect that has been overlooked
36 Post contains links SCL767 : LAN Perú has previously worked with GE to design and deploy RNP procedures at CUZ since 2009. LAN Perú has also operated more than 20 daily flights
37 SJOtoLIR : I flew as a passenger on TA LIM-CUZ with 321: April 2010. . The topographical issues among Lima and Cuzco made this statement unfeasible. Regards
38 Skisandy : Remember Faucett? About 25 years ago, just before they went out of business, I flew on their DC-8 in and out of CUZ. Now-that's a plane that needs a l
39 airsmiles : I flew LIM-CUZ-LIM with Aerocontiente in 2003 and standard equipment then was the B727-100. Other flights noted at CUZ were operated by B737-200, B727
40 Post contains links and images SCL767 : Done! As you can see, LAN has several flights that depart within 5-10 minutes of each other. Also, some flights depart both LIM and CUZ at the same t
41 airsmiles : Wow that's some schedule! We were delayed about 2 hours leaving Cuzco due to fog, so I'd hate to be the one to get all of those flights out by 3pmn in
42 SCL767 : These are the first 6 departures from CUZ and the last 6 departures from CUZ: 07:20 LA2014 07:25 LA2024 07:45 LA2012 07:45 LA2016 08:15 LA2010 08:45
43 SPIM2EDDN : The new CUZ airport is due to begin operations in 2017 if I´m not mistaken and is supposed to be able to handle wide bodies. It will feature ILS app
44 SCL767 : No, the B763s will eventually be deployed on certain short-haul routes that are cargo intensive, i.e. LIM-UIO and LIM-BOG. Also, LAN will be receivin
45 Burkhard : Looking at the map, no. And knowing that the earth is very unstable in that area speaks against a railway as much against a good highway. Yes, not as
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