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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24820 posts, RR: 46
Posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 24167 times:

Per GDS load United will deploy its 787s on the following international markets.

Houston - Amsterdam - Effective December 4, 2012
Los Angeles - Tokyo - Effective January 3, 2013
Houston - Lagos - Effective January 7, 2013
Houston - London - Effective February 4, 2013
Los Angeles - Shanghai - Effective March 30, 2013

And previously announced Denver - Tokyo effective March 2013 as well.


Houston was the be the first 787 crew base, I wonder if they will also open one at LAX as well?


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User currently offlineazncsa4qf744er From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 24103 times:

I imagine LA-PVG but LA-NRT is a shocker, considering sCO does not have Global First. This will put UA at a disadvantage considering most other carriers serving LA-TYO markets with First Class.

User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5158 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 24058 times:

Quoting azncsa4qf744er (Reply 1):
This will put UA at a disadvantage considering most other carriers serving LA-TYO markets with First Class.

Yea...but they will be able to milk the novelty of using the 787 for a while.



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User currently onlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9490 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 23969 times:

Quoting azncsa4qf744er (Reply 1):

I imagine LA-PVG but LA-NRT is a shocker, considering sCO does not have Global First. This will put UA at a disadvantage considering most other carriers serving LA-TYO markets with First Class.


Yields on LAX-NRT are the worst of any NRT destination due to overcapacity and 7 airlines on the route. I



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User currently offlineflyTPA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 136 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 23450 times:

I just checked united.com and flight 58 IAH-AMS shows 764 all through the month of December. Any idea when we can book flights?


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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5158 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23353 times:

Quoting flyTPA (Reply 5):

I just checked united.com and flight 58 IAH-AMS shows 764 all through the month of December. Any idea when we can book flights?

They are uploading flights this weekend.



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User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 750 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23334 times:

It's noteworthy that IAH-AMS and IAH-LHR both seem to be temporary just for the Spring (see the More Widebodies at IAH thread...). They are probably filler routes while waiting for enough frames to fly the longer routes to Asia. So by the time S13 rolls around, the routes will be:

LAX-NRT
LAX-PVG
DEN-NRT
IAH-LOS

And presumably IAH-LAX and IAH-DEN to rotate aircraft.


Pretty cool, and I think those routes all make sense. I wasn't expecting the LAX routes, but it's logical because both LAX-NRT and LAX-PVG are extremely competitive, and the 787 is a good way to differentiate UA while reducing capacity.



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User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 911 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23260 times:

Quoting FSDan (Reply 7):

But what will those long routes to Asia be?



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19385 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23262 times:

Where will the "shakedown" flights be done?

User currently offlineCONTACREW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23201 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):

Where will the "shakedown" flights be done?

If by shakedown you mean the first domestic routes it will fly IAH - to UA hubs.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7197 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23123 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Los Angeles - Tokyo - Effective January 3, 2013

woah woah woah wait a sec, is this gonna be an added flight to the current route that UA has?



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User currently offlineCONTACREW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23093 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
woah woah woah wait a sec, is this gonna be an added flight to the current route that UA has?

No. We on the sCO side are taking over LAX - NRT, and LAX - PVG.



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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 22982 times:

LAX-NRT and LAX-PVG are not _poor_ performers, but they do fill up the plane with cheap seats.

This is part of capacity discipline - offer less seats, get more money for them, and move the 777s to places where the capacity is needed.

NS


User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 22974 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 3):
Yields on LAX-NRT are the worst of any NRT destination due to overcapacity and 7 airlines on the route. I

Agreed. LAX-TYO has been a shrinking market for the last 10 years or so and is still the most competitive longhaul route in the world with 8 carriers flying LAX-NRT plus there another 2 LAX-HND flights. UA is smart to shift capacity elsewhere. No one bought UA F anyway (those passengers fly NH, JL or SQ) so removing it is not a huge deal.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7197 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 22867 times:

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 12):
No. We on the sCO side are taking over LAX - NRT, and LAX - PVG.

Hmm an interesting downgage



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User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 22847 times:

Do you think SEA-NRT will also go 787 or getting axed all together?

User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 22838 times:

SEA-NRT is very unlikely to be axed.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
Hmm an interesting downgage

Gauge. But not grade. A smaller aircraft will do wonders for this route.

NS


User currently offlineANA787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 22823 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 17):
SEA-NRT is very unlikely to be axed.

Even with ANA also on SEA-NRT now?


User currently offlinerunzel From Australia, joined Dec 2011, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 22757 times:

A query please from posts 3 & 12 , what does coding "sCO" signify?
Thank you.


User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 22718 times:

United refers to the subsidiary parts of their business as sCO and sUA. S stands for subsidiary.

NS


User currently offlinekaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 22609 times:

What ever happen to the AKL route? Wasn't this talked about?

Also, this frees up 2 daily long-haul flights worth of 777-200ERs. I wonder where these are going....


User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 22486 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 13):
LAX-TYO has been a shrinking market for the last 10 years or so and is still the most competitive longhaul route in the world with 8 carriers flying LAX-NRT

Great use of the 787 then - new product, smaller capacity, route viability turn-around.



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5294 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 22418 times:

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 20):
What ever happen to the AKL route? Wasn't this talked about?

It was canned officially a while back. UA are said to still be considering AKL from somewhere. Not sure where though.


User currently offlineboilerla From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 22416 times:

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 20):
What ever happen to the AKL route? Wasn't this talked about?

It was cancelled a couple of months ago--very publicly I might add, to spite Houston, but really because it would be a poor performer and is a waste of 2 787s that can be used on better routes.

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 20):
Also, this frees up 2 daily long-haul flights worth of 777-200ERs. I wonder where these are going....

Might be rotating them in during the spring on 763 and 764 routes, which are similar in capacity, while those are refurb'd. There are still 13 763s to refurb and 3 764s. That's my only guess; I doubt there will be new routes announced considering this is all for January-March, the slowest period for airlines.


User currently offlineCONTACREW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 22375 times:

Quoting boilerla (Reply 23):
Might be rotating them in during the spring on 763 and 764 routes, which are similar in capacity, while those are refurb'd. There are still 13 763s to refurb and 3 764s. That's my only guess; I doubt there will be new routes announced considering this is all for January-March, the slowest period for airlines.

One small correction there's 10 763s left to reconfigure. 6668, 6671 & 6674 are already flying.



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25 toobz : AKL was cancelled if I remember correctly
26 ual777uk : Its great to know we will see a UA 787 at LHR in the near future, I am hoping for a lot more as the fleet expands
27 STT757 : Absolutely, the 787 is probably best suited for the competitive markets. As pointed to out differentiate their service as well as having a more effic
28 Post contains images frigatebird : I've heard rumors AMS would be one of the early international destinations but it's great to see it will be the first one Well, let's hope UA/CO will
29 jfk777 : No Newark or Chicago ? Only Houston to LHR ? One would think UA would operate their 787 planes on shorter European flights then all the way to Lagos,
30 fun2fly : Will this occupy all 11 a/c or are their more routes to be announced? Seems like this speaks for 8 of them.
31 STT757 : It's quite obvious the new UA has a much different plan for these 787s ( the sCO 787s) than CO did before the merger. It looks like UA is deploying th
32 FSDan : LAX-NRT LAX-PVG DEN-NRT They're going to be flying them on IAH-UA Hubs for at least a month starting in late October. I think this probably speaks fo
33 mogandoCI : It's a good business decision to put the plane on lower yield routes to boost their P&L, but I was really hoping at least 1 of this list would com
34 Post contains links LAXintl : Here is the press release United Airlines Announces First 787 International Routes http://finance.yahoo.com/news/united...announces-first-787-11000065
35 drerx7 : My response to both of those statements is that the current routes probabaly offer the best potential profits possible within the operational constra
36 tommy767 : Some good stuff. Like how LAX will be getting the 787 first. Would have had money on the fact that it would have gone to SFO first. I guess with the e
37 sonomaflyer : They will do some hub to hub domestic flying in the fall for crew familiarization. After that, the benefit of these a/c will be on long routes, not s
38 Post contains images YankeesFan : No EWR??????? Why??? -____- Guess I'll have to wait even longer. Anyway which will be the first destination from EWR that UA sends the 787 to if UA de
39 jfk777 : Shorter European flights as opposed to flying to China and Australia is my definition of " shorter. " 757 is a topic that "stinks" at United, why sho
40 YankeesFan : IDK why EWR-LHR gets a 752 or maybe a 772 when JFK-LHR gets 764's, 772's, and soon 77W's from AA, DL, and UA.[Edited 2012-08-23 09:15:48]
41 tsummersb : I purchased a business class seat from NRT to LAX, May 14, 2013 on UA 772. So, it will now be on the 787? Is the business class product smaller on the
42 CALMSP : Why? Due to flat bed seating. Prior to the merger, none of the CO 762/764 had flat-bed seating.
43 YankeesFan : Can you add more to the "Why?"?
44 drerx7 : This can't be a serious post...but I'll bite... what a concept? How about the concept of making money. IAH-LOS has tremendous profit potential and th
45 mogandoCI : Maybe those displaced birds are exactly destined to be put on EWR-LHR - make 2 flights with 3-class F, and 3 flights with 763/764s.
46 YankeesFan : That EWR will NEVER get a UA 787?
47 Roseflyer : UA is using the business class seat from the pre merger Continental airplanes. It’s fully horizontal flat. The seat is very similar to the new Unit
48 YankeesFan : These 757's and 767's won't last forever....
49 DocLightning : Unfortunately for those of us in SFO, I'm not surprised it didn't. SFO is UA's major transpac hub. All of our Asian destinations support a 772 at the
50 AADC10 : If you can afford F and you wanted UA miles LAX-NRT, it would seem like SQ would be a better choice. The front cabin on UA is for upgraders and redee
51 STT757 : SFO-NGO, SFO-CAN, SFO-HND.
52 CALMSP : I did. The reason is flat-bed seating. Prior to the merger, the 764 fleet did not have flat bed seats. Something CO wanted to ensure was on every LHR
53 boilerla : They will only have 8 788s until the sUA 788s are delivered in 2016. They'll last for at least the next 6-10 years. The 763s are being refurbed so UA
54 YankeesFan : I see.
55 YankeesFan : They need to refurb the 764 if they haven't. IMPO(In My Pessimistic Opinion) EWR will NEVER see an UA 787.
56 CALMSP : with such a large asmount coming in the next 9 months, it will be thwere next year.
57 YankeesFan : That is very unlikely because apparently EWR is fine with the aircraft serving its routes.
58 aznmadsci : Hey Kid! CHILL!!! UA is getting plenty more 788s and 789s beyond this initial 5, so EWR will see its fair share.
59 CALMSP : please explain your thoughts. You are very incorrect.
60 Roseflyer : And the 787s will eventually be in EWR. In 10 years they will be the backbone of the international fleet. SFO-KIX struggles in the winter and would b
61 fun2fly : Last I knew it was 11 788's and 14 789's for the PMCO 25 birds. I do not think it has changed so they should have 3-4 a/c to open new routes in 2013
62 YankeesFan : Apparently I am getting shelled for stating an opinion that was PESSIMISTIC. And when is an opinion a fact? I do think EWR will get the 787 but not un
63 STT757 : I think it will be in October, domestically for a bit.
64 YankeesFan : I hope so.
65 sonomaflyer : Given CO posted their order prior to UA, its assumed the "CO" order will be filled first. Boeing I'm sure will do what it can to accommodate UA with t
66 YankeesFan : He is talking about routes like EWR-LHR which require bigger planes than the 757 IMO. I am fine with the 757 going to smaller European cities.
67 Roseflyer : Pulling the 787 off of LAX-NRT and LAX-PVG might give EWR-LHR the bigger plane with 3 classes.
68 YankeesFan : I'd say the 767 will be fine until more 787s come. I'll let those routes have the 787.[Edited 2012-08-23 11:43:06]
69 sonomaflyer : They don't require bigger planes necessarily. UA elected to go with frequency over size of the a/c. If they felt they could make a ton of cash runnin
70 tommy767 : Honestly, who the hell cares? Why is EWR treated like it's some golden child of the UA hub network on this forum? It's not that great. If anything, E
71 Post contains images kl911 : What is sCO? I see it mentioned a lot here. Its now all UA right? Or are some persons here still thinking they work for CO? Great that AMS is getting
72 YankeesFan : It is the 3rd largest hub.
73 tommy767 : That's not a reason. What about SFO or ORD? Why does EWR need to have them ahead of any of the other hubs?
74 gigneil : Um, because its the right plane for IAH-LOS and the only other one that can fly it - a 777 - is way too big? You need to get over flying planes for t
75 YankeesFan : Well EWR doesn't need to have them right now. IDC who gets them first. I just want EWR to have them ASAP.
76 CALMSP : it was completely for that reason (along with frequency). 767-200's were only scheduled into LHR when we (CO) first gained access to LHR. IAH-LHR had
77 gigneil : Yes you may want that, and it may happen, but likely a lot of things will continue as so from Newark while they optimize where the money is - which is
78 Tristarsteve : I can understand that a-net members, and aircraft spotters like to see the B787, but how many paying passengers do you think really care? I would pro
79 tommy767 : Wow, I honestly would not go that far. A 787 on EWR-Europe is STUPID? That's a fat load right there. EWR should eventually get 787 or at the very lea
80 YankeesFan : Ok....... But it is only one route(EWR-LHR) I am questioning. The other routes are fine IMO.
81 gigneil : I think that in the long term, you're right. Certainly some 767s where the load or performance is required. But in the SHORT term, they are going to
82 YankeesFan : I know.
83 CALMSP : i said somewhat..........not fully. i think we all know it is not at the same level.
84 Tristarsteve : Well BA is planning to run B787 EWR-LHR next summer. The BA B787-800s will be direct replacements for long haul B763s, starting in North America.
85 N62NA : Because EWR is not a "premium" airport. JFK is and always has been. That will be a welcome visitor to EWR!
86 YankeesFan : Link???
87 YankeesFan : I know EWR is not as important as JFK but NYC-London is a big market.
88 AVENSAB727 : I hope IAH-AMS and IAH-LHR could end up being permanently 787, I think as more 787s come in more routes will be announced.
89 RyanairGuru : Out of interest what is it about EWR-LHR that makes this so repulsive? I don't mean to sound rude but why is EWR-CDG acceptable to you but not EWR-LH
90 gigneil : You think that maybe as more 787s come in, they might fly them on more routes? I hadn't considered that. NS
91 CALMSP : LHR could keep one during the winter months. Best part about the 787 is the cockpit commonality with the 777.
92 gigneil : ...idk about that. The cockpits are totally dissimilar. BUT they do share a common type rating. Cue the people saying a type rating is BS. NS
93 YankeesFan : I was questioning the aircraft used on EWR-LHR. EWR-LHR is more popular than EWR-CDG. And the NYC-London market is big.[Edited 2012-08-23 13:20:01][E
94 RyanairGuru : Sure. But I was saying why the 757 was/is such a big component of the EWR-Europe market (including LHR) - CO simply didn't have enough widebody aircr
95 N62NA : But the key in your statement is NYC. EWR draws very little of the NYC traffic, that traffic goes to JFK. Though things also aren't all that great ov
96 YankeesFan : I am pretty sure 1,000,000+ is not very little.
97 N62NA : Can you please put that figure in context? One million people originating in the 5 boroughs use EWR per year? And if that's what you mean, then that'
98 YankeesFan : I am comparing that to the JFK-LHR traffic. Otherwise, the 33 million people that fly out of EWR is not tiny compared to JFK's 47 million. Stats are
99 tommy767 : IIRC, EWR-LHR is the largest international market in terms of passengers for EWR. All of that is a fraction of passengers traveling on JFK-LHR. Havin
100 CONTACREW : sCO = Subsidary CO, sUA = Subsidary UA. Some also use the term LCO - Legacy CO, LUA - Legacy UA. To the flying public it's just UA, but internally th
101 drerx7 : I hope not. The 787 is a downgauge from 777 aircraft on IAH-LHR.
102 kl911 : Ok, thanks. But officially all the paperwork , license etc is now UA right? What is the chance of AMS keeping the 787 on IAH route, and also getting
103 N62NA : OK, now you're really confusing me. Are you saying that 1 million people fly EWR-LHR each year?
104 gigneil : Low, I think, in the short term. The priority for the 787 is to go on either new, lucrative routes for which it is the right size and capability or on
105 YankeesFan : Chances are great. IMO it is a matter of when not if.
106 The777Man : Yes, it's all one airline. However, most of the employee groups are all separate so they are referred to as s-CO or S-UA. The777Man
107 YankeesFan : Yep.
108 CONTACREW : Officially it's UA. But we on the sCO side are still working under our contract and pay, while those on the sUA side are working under their contract
109 N62NA : That 1 million number doesn't add up. UA 4 x 757 = 169*4 = 676 seats UA 1 x 772 = 267*1 = 267 seats BA 2 x 772 = 272*2 = 544 seats BA 1 x 763 = 192*1
110 Post contains links N62NA : Oh, BTW, the UA 787 seat map is up on seatguru.com: http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Uni...United_Airlines_Boeing_787-800.php
111 Post contains links YankeesFan : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newark_...al_Airport#Traffic_and_statistics Here it is.[Edited 2012-08-23 15:22:20][Edited 2012-08-23 15:23:00]
112 United1 : That's T100 data and the million plus figure is gotten by combining EWR-LHR and LHR-EWR. NOTE: The latest data is from September 2011...using the tra
113 RyanairGuru : The linked sourced from Wikipedia to Office of Aviation Analysis (which I've never heard of but does have a .gov domain) quotes a figure of 1,065,842
114 YankeesFan : Ok...... Thanks.
115 YankeesFan : Any predictions of the next routes UA will announce for the 787?
116 olddominion727 : DL has a 2 cabin as well... LAX-NRT and HND
117 AVENSAB727 : I predict, IAH-FRA, EWR-HKG, IAH-PEK (new route). And some routes out of ORD.
118 YankeesFan : I think that route is better suited with a 772. I could be wrong though.
119 Post contains images N62NA : And now that we know that is both ways, it makes a bit more sense!
120 jfk777 : There is Nothing repulsive about EWR to LHR, its United's use of 757 that is Repulsive. Neither AA, Virgin, Delta or BA use a 757. UA uses them on 4
121 CONTACREW : Why is repulsive? I'm an sCO FA and I have yet to hear anyone complaining about having to fly a 757 over to LHR.
122 N62NA : Again, EWR is not a "premium" airport - JFK is, which is why all the "prestige" metal has always and will continue to be dedicated to JFK by airlines
123 YankeesFan : EWR-LHR will happen later and UA thinks the 787 suits IAH-Lagos better than the 777.
124 sonomaflyer : I think there are some wide body purists on this site who believe that TATL must always be on a wide body aircraft. That's their reality. The economic
125 YankeesFan : You're right on.
126 Post contains images RyanairGuru : That's precisely what I was questioning, not the fact they fly the route at all!
127 azncsa4qf744er : I thought sCO order 25 B788? Why only 8 until 2016?
128 United727 : Which domestic routing will "eventually" make use of the 787?
129 gigneil : Unless you know something I don't, that's very not right. I think EWR-HKG will happen much of the year. IAH-FRA will stay 777. There are no rights or
130 Polot : sCO has (well had, I guess the order can be considered all UA now even if the operations are split between sCO and sUA) 25 787s on order. 11 788s and
131 STT757 : Except the longest all business class flight in the World, SQ's EWR-SIN. Also EWR is tied with ORD for the second most nonstops to LHR from the US, s
132 STT757 : When will the first sUA 787-8s be delivered, before or after the first sCO 787-9?
133 N62NA : Yep. ONE flight. Look, please let's not go through the usual where it's pointed out that EWR is second fiddle to JFK and then you start posting all s
134 CONTACREW : IAH to the UA hubs, the first 787 flight will be SEA - ORD for the media event, although it won't be a "live" pax flight.
135 STT757 : Also the two daily British Airways all business class Open Skies service between Newark and Paris Orly. So three daily all business class flights. Sp
136 jfk777 : DEar CO FA, I did not call a 757 to LHR repulsive, #89 on this board did .
137 tommy767 : Um, seats? JFK clearly has way more seats to LHR than EWR with 4x 757 service.
138 sonomaflyer : He was referring to flights not seats as was the statistic to which he referred. SEA to NRT will be a good route for the 787 when they have enough fr
139 STT757 : I wasn't making a comparison to JFK, I stated EWR is tied with ORD for the second most nonstops to LHR from the US. JFK obviously has the most flight
140 tommy767 : Yeah but you have 1 isle and less restrooms on a TATL than the 763.
141 N62NA : Grasping at straws (again). YOU seem to understand, STT doesn't. But I'll leave it be, as this always ends up being an "EWR is a premium airport just
142 YankeesFan : How would SEA-NRT work if SEA isn't a UA hub? Are they going to base that route from the NRT hub?[Edited 2012-08-24 09:15:49]
143 STT757 : Right, but you mentioned "seats". Which I pointed out a sCO 757 has nearly the same capacity as a three class 763.
144 tommy767 : There is local feed. UA has a strong following in SEA and has for a very long time. It's one of the largest non-hub stations for them up there with B
145 N62NA : Yep. I would be surprised (and disappointed) to see it on such a short route, as its capabilities would be vastly underused.
146 STT757 : It's five daily, 4 757 and 1 777-200ER.
147 YankeesFan : Well if it can't fly from EWR-LHR then there can't be any domestic 787 service with your logic. If the demand from EWR-LHR increases then it is fair
148 drerx7 : I would too...at least this early on. When the last portion of the 787 order comes to fruition and its functioning as a replacement for 757/767s then
149 YankeesFan : Yep.
150 N62NA : He was talking about the 4x757 portion of the daily schedule. Sure there can: GIG-EWR-SFO-NRT-ORD-NRT-SFO-EWR-GIG[Edited 2012-08-24 11:41:12]
151 YankeesFan : Well why can't it fly from EWR-LHR then? It will most likely fly from EWR to LHR in the future.
152 Roseflyer : It's not a waste to Lagos. The 787 range is needed. Cargo capacity is important, but the 777 may be too large for Lagos. The 757 and 767 can't make I
153 klwright69 : IAH-LOS is a long route that is very busy during certain times of the year. But it is a new route, so it has not reached its full potential. The 787 i
154 YankeesFan : It is the number of pax, that fly from EWR-LHR-EWR that requires a larger plane than the 757. IMO a 767 would satisfy me until the 787's come unless
155 tommy767 : The issue with 757s on EWR-LHR is how the other hubs are capable of filling up larger A/C -- yet EWR gets stuck with frequency of a smaller narrowbod
156 N62NA : Because.... Yep. Why isn't AA running internationally configured 2 class 757s every 30 minutes on JFK-LHR? There is definitely a "problem" at EWR wit
157 drerx7 : Not necessarily...otherwise they would be doing so... The frequency aspect is what is catering to the premium market. Contrary to a.net belief, the b
158 gigneil : So, does that mean every 757 that goes out EWR-LHR is 100% load? NS
159 tommy767 : It's not emotional, I was thinking of it in relation to J seat availability. There are only 16 of them on the 757. That's not a lot for a market with
160 drerx7 : Honestly, that may be an a.net fallacy.
161 tommy767 : Not to London/Heathrow. Other cities might be candidates for a.net fallacies.
162 STT757 : Because their product is inferior on their 757s compared to the sCO 757 aircraft. BA operates three daily 777s to EWR from LHR, VS two daily (A340-60
163 YankeesFan : Not necessarily, however; if the demand is too much for the 757's to handle then something needs to change. The 757's appear to be fine NOW but the d
164 YankeesFan : Top 8 American airports to LHR and back. 1. JFK 2. LAX 3. ORD 4. EWR 5. BOS 6. IAD 7. MIA 8. SFO[Edited 2012-08-24 14:37:10]
165 STT757 : In terms of ?[Edited 2012-08-24 14:40:53]
166 YankeesFan : Total passengers.
167 sonomaflyer : This thread is dissolving into a scene of a dog chasing its tail. Some of you are convinced that either UA is shooting itself in the foot with 757's o
168 N62NA : And for the comparable Star hub to hub, we have EWR-FRA and.... UA flies a 757! Yep. Nope, not on the AA Internationally configured 757s (which I hav
169 YankeesFan : You're right. Right now the 757's are doing their job. But when the demand raises for EWR-LHR things should change.
170 Post contains links YankeesFan : EWR-LHR (by YankeesFan Aug 24 2012 in Civil Aviation) Here is the new discussion board for the off topic stuff.
171 CONTACREW : This is what you wrote on reply 120. So therefore I want to know why is it repulsive to use a 757 on EWR - LHR?
172 N62NA : Because you would NEVER see that out of JFK. AF 757 (if they even had one) to CDG? Nope, they put on their premium A380 / 77W. They "could" go all A3
173 klwright69 : Back on the topic.. I wonder when we will see UA serving SCL from either IAH or EWR nonstop. Now that is what I would love to see! Are both IAH-LHR fl
174 sonomaflyer : I would think a SCL route would be from IAH given how many flights they run to Latin America. It could also connect NRT passengers (though EWR could
175 Polot : My guess is it will be used on UA 4/UA 5. The 777 used for flight UA 34/UA 35 often ends up working/coming from the EWR 777 flight. UA 4 only arrives
176 YankeesFan : So any ideas for 787 domestic routes?
177 CONTACREW : IAH between the hubs.
178 FSDan : That's really not true. LGW is largely leisure traffic and a lot of LCCs. EWR has a large amount of premium traffic, although not nearly as much as J
179 gigneil : ...or the hometown hub airline wants to just capture O/D at their slot restricted airport, and route their connections to other (cheaper) hubs. ...or
180 YankeesFan : I like that.
181 tommy767 : Possible UA domestic 787 routes: EWR-MCO EWR-LAX EWR-IAH IAH-ORD IAH-DEN (Given) IAH-LAX (Given) IAH-MCO IAH-SFO ORD-SFO ORD-LAX ORD-DEN (more than li
182 CONTACREW : Here's the schedule for the 787 flights. UA58 IAH - AMS 3:45p 8:15a +1 UA59 AMS - IAH 10:00a 1:45p UA32 LAX - NRT 11:05a 4:10p +1 UA33 NRT - LAX 6:00p
183 icanfly : I'm still hoping for SYD-IAH on the 787!
184 gigneil : I am nearly sure the 787 doesn't have the range for that flight. Its a B market plane, not a C. NS
185 cosyr : I am so disappointed! I just bought a ticket from LHR-IAH 2 weeks before the start. We were also thinking about going to AMS, and decided not too! Ter
186 FSDan : I'm not surprised in the least. That's actually kind of the point I was arguing. Even though EWR probably doesn't get a large share of the NYC premiu
187 tommy767 : It's just the areas nearby EWR that make it seem 2nd world. Not saying the areas surrounding it don't have wealth, it's just almost pathetic about ho
188 YankeesFan : Even with its shortcomings it is the 14th busiest airport in the USA.
189 N62NA : OK, I don't understand why, but this topic has now been deleted. So now we're just going to have the continued debate about whether EWR is a "premium
190 YankeesFan : Damn....
191 N62NA : Usually the moderators will send you an email explaining why the topic was deleted (this is one of the few websites where the moderators are courteou
192 tommy767 : Maybe the title was too short -- "EWR-LHR" sounds a bit too non specific for a.net mods.
193 Post contains links YankeesFan : Discussion About EWR-LHR Route. (by YankeesFan Aug 25 2012 in Civil Aviation) Here is the new topic.[Edited 2012-08-25 11:13:56]
194 Post contains images N62NA : And... once again deleted. I'm certain the mods have emailed you the reason why. Probably not a good idea at this point to create another one.
195 AVENSAB727 : I wonder if any more IAH routes will come with the next batch of 787 deliveries.
196 CONTACREW : Generally if a mods delete or lock a thread, they usually don't like you to create a new one unless you contact them first and they give you the ok.
197 Post contains images YankeesFan : Guess I'll NEVER start a thread then.
198 CONTACREW : You can start a thread, you just can't restart one that has been deleted or locked since the mods prefer you contact them and they give you the ok. A
199 N62NA : No, don't think like that. I see that you are kind of new around here, so it will naturally take a little while to get the hang of the place. I've st
200 YankeesFan : I know I can but I feel like it will be deleted. I created one that didn't relate to that thread and that thread got deleted. I guess I suck at creat
201 CALMSP : thank goodness you aren't running UA.................b/c your perception on what should be done with routes out of EWR would certainly run the airlin
202 STT757 : Both AA and DL have flown scheduled 757 services from JFK to both FRA and Paris.
203 commavia : I did not realize that AA had ever flown a 757 JFK-FRA.
204 N62NA : If you read my posts carefully, you'll see that I am not advocating that UA do anything different at EWR. Rather, my comments are more about EWR itse
205 YankeesFan : My confidence in creating threads is shot right now. That means I have NO confidence in myself to create threads. Absolutely NONE. Anyway, any more f
206 tommy767 : What exactly is so bad of what he's saying. It's true, JFK is more of premier international airport than EWR. Hell, it's in NEW YORK!
207 CALPSAFltSkeds : And the reason is that 34/35 are on the ground at IAH the same time as the AMS aircraft, allowing swap out capability.
208 CALMSP : anyone can say what they want, its the comments towards, "UA/CO is not doing things right with the 757, there should only be widebody's into CDG/FRA/
209 N62NA : But you've misinterpreted my comments. Please re-read them. Mine are directed at the airport and not at UA (CO).
210 CALMSP : that may be, but you are referencing aircraft in some posts, which is directed towards the 757's flying for UA/CO.
211 N62NA : Correct, but that is a product of the airport not being able to draw traffic (premium and otherwise) from Manhattan, despite it being the same distan
212 tommy767 : Well clearly these markets have been right sized for too long. That's why EWR-CDG is getting a 764 this winter instead of a 757.
213 CALMSP : And will continue to see mroe changes with fleet redeployment. The 764 that is moving to flt 56 could have come from FCO/MXP, which is now receiving
214 tommy767 : IIRC the 763 is only temporary on EWR-FCO until the route seasonally gets suspended in October.
215 CALMSP : correct. Just using that as a reference.
216 N62NA : So no Star Alliance nonstops from the Star Alliance hub in New York City after October? Interesting. And another big question mark re: why EWR can't
217 CALMSP : this has always been the case, even with reductions while CO was in SkyTeam. If people aren't going to fly it, no need to keep it.
218 YankeesFan : We really have to talk about EWR vs JFK? JFK is OBVIOUSLY bigger than EWR. A surprising fact for those who don't know yet. In 2011 LGA was busier than
219 RyanairGuru : a) Southern Italy is still primarily a leisure-oriented destination from North America. Needless to say, leisure demand is higher in summer than wint
220 tommy767 : Which is interesting to me considering UA is currently flying a 3-class 767 on the route.
221 PHX787 : Maybe so but EWR is the UA hub. JFK has some intl ops for UA but most of it's operated from EWR. JFK is mainly for AA, DL, and B6 domestic ops. JFK p
222 dampfnudel : Don't worry, they'll come. Not everything has to be ASAP in life. They'll have to start replacing the 767s in the next few years. In 1990 I flew JFK-
223 YankeesFan : ASAP doesn't always mean very soon. When it is right for EWR to get the 787 EWR should have it...
224 CALMSP : ...and EWR will have it. EWR will have it very soon. These first few flights are more of a temporary thing as outlined in the press release. As more
225 Post contains images BLRAviation : And with SQ offering First Class Suites why on earth would someone want to fly UA. They will earn the *A mileage also on SQ. Okay they may miss out o
226 drerx7 : To bring this thread back on topic... Any word on when the domestic proving runs will be announced/loaded?
227 YankeesFan : No word yet I think.
228 CALMSP : so what are you trying to prove in your analysis/perception of EWR vs JFK. You seem to be getting off on this excitement of JFK. Even AZ cuts back on
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