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OO New SOP For Planes Following Incident At SGU  
User currently offlineazncsa4qf744er From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 692 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3299 times:

A co-worker said mentioned there's a new SOP in place for OO planes sitting idle on a gate for extended period of time. Their new SOP is to have passenger loading pridge pulled off when a plane is at a gate with no crew member on board. Has anyone heard of this? I have not heard of such coming from OO.

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User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6041 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

That's standard for every airline. Nothing new there.


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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3254 times:

This is true. The jetway needs to be pulled off so the main door like other access points to the inside of the aircraft can be sealed, this is for over night aircraft though.

As for sitting at the gate for a long turn or any other extended instance of time, I have not heard of this nor do I think it is true...



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User currently offlineazncsa4qf744er From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3254 times:

I realized that on RON sitting. But during the operations where the plane might be schedule to sit for a few hours and heads out again. OO tend to have a/c sitting for a few hours at hubs on reduced schedule day.

User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6041 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3226 times:

Quoting azncsa4qf744er (Reply 3):
I realized that on RON sitting. But during the operations where the plane might be schedule to sit for a few hours and heads out again

No, it applies for any time the plane is going to be unattended. It doesn't matter what time of day.



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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3220 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 4):
No, it applies for any time the plane is going to be unattended. It doesn't matter what time of day.

This isn't CURRENT standard practice, hence the OP saying this is a new SOP. For all DCI operators, if the a/c is going to be at the gate, even if it's a RAD, they won't remove the jetway. It just doesn't happen. Only time the jetway is removed is if it's a RON.

FWIW, as far as I know, the jetway was NOT attached to the a/c at SGU that night, He simply didn't power back enough to clear when he powered out but the jetway wasn't attached. He just opened the door. So, i'm not sure what this has to do with the incident.



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User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

Is discussing airline security procedures really an appropriate topic to discuss online?


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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7591 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

.....nevermind....

removed.

[Edited 2012-08-22 21:14:53]

User currently offlineazncsa4qf744er From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

A co-worker mentioned that after hearing it from a OO pilot. I though that was a little weird . Again, this is not for RON procedure.

User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6041 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 6):
Is discussing airline security procedures really an appropriate topic to discuss online?

No, it's not, which is why I'd rather keep it vague.

Actually, I'd rather prefer the mods lock or delete this.



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User currently offlineusxguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1017 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2945 times:

because heaven forbid a pilot knows how to use a jetway, or open an RJ door from the ramp.....


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User currently offlinerivervisual From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 5):
This isn't CURRENT standard practice, hence the OP saying this is a new SOP. For all DCI operators, if the a/c is going to be at the gate, even if it's a RAD, they won't remove the jetway. It just doesn't happen. Only time the jetway is removed is if it's a RON.

This is actually not correct. Late last year procedures were changed and all RON DCI aircraft are supposed to have the jetway pulled and the aircraft door closed. Whether stations actually follow it or not is another question  


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2474 times:

Don't Skywest's plane all have air stair doors anyway so this wouldn't stop anyone with ramp access?


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User currently offlinefrmrcapcadet From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1718 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

Some security procedures should not be discussed on line. I don't think that applies to knowing that jetliners are not open to the public while no crew is aboard.


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User currently offlinecrj900lr From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 1):
That's standard for every airline. Nothing new there.

Not true. Where I work planes sit for hours at a time with the jetbridge connected and the cabin door open. Any ramper or employee can go into the aircraft at any time.


User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6041 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

Quoting crj900lr (Reply 14):

You missed the memo. I said I wanted to keep it vague.



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User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

The door is to be closed, Jetway pulled and stowed. Belly doors should be closed also. All accessible areas of the aircraft are to be secured.

Had a stow-away recently because this wasn't done.



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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1764 times:

CRJs have airstairs so I don't see how this will really deter anyone since you'll simply be able to walk right up the stairs.

User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5650 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 6):
Is discussing airline security procedures really an appropriate topic to discuss online?
Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 15):

You missed the memo. I said I wanted to keep it vague.

Easy, guys. There's nothing that's been said here that you can't find out after 30 minutes watching the action from a parking garage.



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