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Update On The Kid Who Wont Fly, Abu Dhabi Airport.  
User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3281 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12952 times:

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/20/wo...ome/index.html?iid=article_sidebar

Has it really been that long ago, 1stJuly.
They have all the visas sorted to go by land and sea, Good luck kid.  


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User currently offlinejohruk From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12932 times:

I read somewhere yesterday that he is now not going anywhere...they decided that driving in Egypt was to dangerous and he is to stay in the UAE..

Just trying to find the news story...found it and here is it! :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-19341719 (how do i post as a link?)

[Edited 2012-08-23 05:33:53]

User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 12763 times:

For goodness sake, pop him a few valium and get him on a plane!


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User currently offlineUluru From Argentina, joined Sep 2008, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 12691 times:

While I understand that the parents don't want to force him into a situation that he isn't comfortable with but this is just silly at this point. I get it, the kid is scared of flying, albeit all of a sudden, what's going to happen when they decide to travel by bus through active war zones.

Who knows, it could be Balloon Boy round 2. They already have 2 rounds of coverage by CNN... so far!

[Edited 2012-08-23 06:17:53]

User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3281 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 12655 times:

Seems that a medical flight under sedation is going to be the only way to get home, don't think think they can afford that.


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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2193 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days ago) and read 12576 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 2):
For goodness sake, pop him a few valium and get him on a plane!

If only it were that easy. This is a psychological condition that cannot be handled without care. Sometimes, people just snap and I hope for the sake of the boy and his family, he recovers over time. This would be a tragedy to suffer through for the rest of one's life.

The transportation by land and sea sounds like a nightmare of an alternative. If private planes were an option, that could be suggested, but it appears that the overall concept of flying in general is the root of his anxiety issues.

Cue the need for high speed rail transport  



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User currently offlineAirBuffalo From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12450 times:

This is not news worthy. At best it's a publicity stunt by the parents to secure required visas. The reality of that area of the world today is that if you will not fly, you will not go far. Simple as that.

User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12391 times:

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 5):
Cue the need for high speed rail transport

Even if the funding exists, HSR would definitely fail in the Middle East. Cities are simply too far apart for HSR to be competitive or economically viable - using the 4 hour rule, you can't even reach Riyadh from Dubai unless you have the absolute fastest trains.

But of course, knowing how Dubai loves white elephants, maybe they'll actually do it


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2193 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12203 times:

Quoting AirBuffalo (Reply 6):
This is not news worthy. At best it's a publicity stunt by the parents to secure required visas. The reality of that area of the world today is that if you will not fly, you will not go far. Simple as that.

I'm usually not one to defend moves that may be perceived in that fashion, but in this situation, I'm willing to side with the family.

Not to hijack the thread with a sob story, but last year, one of my best friends from college - very normal, energetic, bright and all around fantastic guy - had a dramatic psychotic episode and literally within a span of a week showed signs of onset Schizophrenia. It was quite possibly one of the most terrifying things I've ever witnessed in my life to see someone I knew like the back of my hand go from point A to Z with the drop of a hat, babbling nonsensical things that lacked complete coherency and accusing us (his friends) of actions we never committed.

He's doing much better now - he has a very successful job in Private Equity. But it took him a very long time to show signs of recovery and get back on his feet. I spent a lot of time with him in the hospital and speaking with his family - the most difficult part was watching them struggle with acknowledgment, acceptance and adjustment to the situation - they were all in complete denial at first, but now are 100% supportive. It made me realize that no family deserves to go through these high-anxiety situations where there are very few explicable variables and in this scenario, even fewer options to make ends meet.

I do sincerely hope it gets better for the boy and that he gets to reunite with his Mom and sister. This cannot be easy.



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User currently offlineBlueDanube From United States of America, joined May 2012, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12047 times:

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 4):
Seems that a medical flight under sedation is going to be the only way to get home, don't think think they can afford that.

The article mentions that LH along with Volkwagan were working on a plan to do this with minimal cost to the patient.

Quoting AirBuffalo (Reply 6):
This is not news worthy. At best it's a publicity stunt by the parents to secure required visas. The reality of that area of the world today is that if you will not fly, you will not go far. Simple as that.

Visas that they now have; even the ones for Saudi Arabia, which are very difficult to get and they only got after the ambassador in London approved them personally with the blessings of the Saudi royal family.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 8):

This is a great story. Thank you for sharing. We all hope that the boy gets the proper medical care that he desperately needs. The issue that I, and most of us here, seem to have is that the parents are simply unable to get him back to England and that they have given up all hope for now. A lot of people outside of this forum, from LH and Volkswagan, to the Saudi royal family, all wish the boy to get better. The longer this goes on for the boy, the longer he must wait to get the treatment that he needs with the love and support of his family back in England. The treatment is probably also available in Abu Dhabi. But, his family is in England and that environment is probably best suited for him at the time being. The father should be more open to the driving route, even if he has to find another way around Egypt, or getting on a cargo ship and sailing around that way. Not doing so is letting this condition fester and grow over time.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2193 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11820 times:

Quoting BlueDanube (Reply 9):
This is a great story. Thank you for sharing.

No, thank you for the kind words  
Quoting BlueDanube (Reply 9):
The issue that I, and most of us here, seem to have is that the parents are simply unable to get him back to England and that they have given up all hope for now. A lot of people outside of this forum, from LH and Volkswagan, to the Saudi royal family, all wish the boy to get better. The longer this goes on for the boy, the longer he must wait to get the treatment that he needs with the love and support of his family back in England.

Yeah, and that is the tough thing to grapple with. However, I think the important distinction to make here is that psychological episodes and anxiety can be treated OVER time, unlike infectious diseases/viruses or other potentially lethal situations where it is a race AGAINST time to evacuate an individual from a dangerous environment. In this case, the only real jugular here is treating the flying phobia; otherwise speaking, there doesn't seem to be any threatening conditions necessitating his voyage to the UK, other than reuniting with the family, starting school, and getting on with his life. For now, the boy seems to be functioning and fortunately the family has a network and contacts in Abu Dhabi to continue to provide a support system until (hopefully) the boy recovers.



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User currently offlinehz747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10180 times:
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But parents know best. I remember, when I was flying back from Panama to Newark on Continental, right when the plane was pushing back, these two girls (both under 10, one probably pretty young) starting crying really loudly. Even with my limited High School border Spanish, I could interpret "Yo quiero mi mama!" repeated a bazillion times. So we stopped mid-push back. After about 10 minutes, the captain said something we all knew. "we are going to let the two girls who want their mother off the plane, but we are waiting for her to come back to the gate area." In all honesty, the whole affair was done very quickly, probably less than 20 minutes.

In this case though the boy has his mama. And his parents should remind him, the longer they wait and all those flights go to and from his home country without crashing, it only increases the odds that the flight he eventually does take will crash. Still the % is probably less than 1 tenth of 1 per cent.

He needs to be shown that his fear is him and not the plane. If they force him on the plane and it flies without incident (and I do agree with using sedation), what's the worse that happens? Panic attack and passing out? That's the best that can happen. Guard the cockpit door as I don't think he would be able to damage the plane in any other way. Once he lands in the UK, and is back at home, the parents can say, "thanks son, because of you, we are the joke of the neighbourhood. All holidays will now be continental Europe, including the UK and Ireland. Good job you jerk!"

Just read the article on BBC, and I cannot think of a better way to do this than what the Germans have offered. But don't tell him about the plan. If the anathesiologist stays on board, there should be no danger, hell, he may be asleep the whole flight!



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User currently offlineTbone354 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8912 times:
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User currently offlinetype-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7068 times:

The parents must be independently wealthy, how else could they afford the hotel rooms and other costs being ran up due to this child's behavior?

I know what would have happened to me when I was that age and I pulled a stunt like this. I'd get a strong slap and a "I don't care what you say, YOU ARE GOING!" from my parents.

There is not only something seriously wrong with this kid, but also something seriously wrong with the parents to divert so much of their daily lives to their kids whims and fancies.

There also could be a reason that they are not aware of that may be causing him not to want to return to the UK. He could be fearful of the UK!


User currently offlinehomSar From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6924 times:

Quoting hz747300 (Reply 11):
And his parents should remind him, the longer they wait and all those flights go to and from his home country without crashing, it only increases the odds that the flight he eventually does take will crash.

That's faulty logic. Even if it were accurate, I doubt that would be much consolation to the kid in this case.



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User currently offlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6840 times:

Quoting johruk (Reply 1):
I read somewhere yesterday that he is now not going anywhere...they decided that driving in Egypt was to dangerous and he is to stay in the UAE..

If that is correct, it sounds like the parents are rather too averse to taking risks. I imagine that each year hundreds of thousands of tourists (if not millions) take the risk of being driven in Egypt and that nearly all of them live to tell the tale.


User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6828 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 13):
I know what would have happened to me when I was that age and I pulled a stunt like this. I'd get a strong slap and a "I don't care what you say, YOU ARE GOING!" from my parents.

Would your parents also slap the airline representatives for not letting the kid fly?

Quoting type-rated (Reply 13):
There is not only something seriously wrong with this kid, but also something seriously wrong with the parents to divert so much of their daily lives to their kids whims and fancies.

There is something seriously wrong with someone who at this point still thinks this is a case of whims and fancies.


User currently offlinefrmrcapcadet From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6683 times:

Unfortunately psychoactive drugs do not work all that well for children. Many of them produce the opposite of the effect desired. I do concur that a passenger/tour ship routing may be the best alternative. We had one child who simply refused to stay in a car seat. In retrospect we should have ditched the car seat rather than using (non violent) strength.


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User currently offlinetype-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6316 times:

Quoting cmf (Reply 16):
Would your parents also slap the airline representatives for not letting the kid fly?

Of course not as the issue would have been settled long before we got to the airport!

Quoting cmf (Reply 16):
There is something seriously wrong with someone who at this point still thinks this is a case of whims and fancies.


I'm entitled to think what I want. Is this kid a control freak or a nut job? Pick one.
On the same note, what other behaviors is this kid going to pull on them in the future?

So I guess his parents are just going to put their lives on hold until this kid decides what's he's capable of doing?

[Edited 2012-08-26 11:36:47]

User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6171 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 18):

I'm entitled to think what I want. Is this kid a control freak or a nut job? Pick one.
On the same note, what other behaviors is this kid going to pull on them in the future?

I concur. Cry me a river...sedate the kid, put him on the plane, and move on with your lives. There is no need for all this drama. IMHO, this a case of the parents ceding their authority to the kids as is so common in families nowadays. Now they have only set themselves up for more drama from the kid in the future.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6688 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6020 times:

Quoting art (Reply 15):
If that is correct, it sounds like the parents are rather too averse to taking risks. I imagine that each year hundreds of thousands of tourists (if not millions) take the risk of being driven in Egypt and that nearly all of them live to tell the tale.

Even before the revolution a lot of Egypt wasn't open to tourists.



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User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 710 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5908 times:

I hear someone from JetBlue gave this kid a buddy pass, and the family thinks they're all set now.

User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5823 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 13):

There also could be a reason that they are not aware of that may be causing him not to want to return to the UK. He could be fearful of the UK!

I'm leaning towards the same conclusion. While the kid's problems assert themselves in a fear of flying, the root cause may actually be a fear of leaving the country he has effectively grown up in (the UAE), his friends, etc. It's not uncommon for children to react badly when their families move.

I can appreciate why his parents don't want to take this course of action, but I'd just pump him full of drugs, carry him onto a plane and deal with the fallout in the UK. It seemed to work every time for the A-Team!



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User currently offlinehz747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5656 times:
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Quoting homSar (Reply 14):
That's faulty logic.

He's 11, I'll take my chances with faulty logic. We can have a laugh about it over a pint at the corner pub when he's 18. Something that couldn't happen if they stay in Abu Dhabi except at a hotel bar.

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 22):
It's not uncommon for children to react badly when their families move.

I can relate, I moved to Jeddah when I was 6 weeks old, and left shortly after my 13th birthday, my parents having already lived there for five years or so. Plus, we went from a city of ~4m to a town of ~8k in southeast Arizona (probably 20k if you Safford, Thatcher, & Pima together). However, while I was very sad to go, I knew enough to know I wasn't Saudi, and it likely couldn't be my home forever. Plus, mom and dad worked for Saudia, so we flew first class back to the US, which made it more comfortable leaving Saudia City. What I don't know is if the two years makes so much of a difference in maturity and understanding, I can't think that it does.

I still say the best option is to take the German's up on their option, but don't tell him about it.



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User currently offlineCZ346 From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 95 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5620 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 13):

The parents must be independently wealthy, how else could they afford the hotel rooms and other costs being ran up due to this child's behavior?

I know what would have happened to me when I was that age and I pulled a stunt like this. I'd get a strong slap and a "I don't care what you say, YOU ARE GOING!" from my parents.

There is not only something seriously wrong with this kid, but also something seriously wrong with the parents to divert so much of their daily lives to their kids whims and fancies.

There also could be a reason that they are not aware of that may be causing him not to want to return to the UK. He could be fearful of the UK!

While you put it a little harsh for my taste, I have to totally agree. I've been through anxiety attacks and panic attacks that required high doses of Xanax to calm, but for goodness sake a sudden fear of flying that rose up when moving from all of your life-long friends just seems odd. I know the crew had to remove him from the flight a couple times, but this is sort of out of control. I would suspect this is a case of the kid getting it in his mind he can make a stand to not move if he doesnt want to.


25 cmf : Not a chance. This is not a case of a kid acting up like a kid. Sure you are entitled to think what you want. Question is if you include actual data
26 sbworcs : Some of the reactions of people on here really underpin the probelm there is with the perception of mental health issues. Laughing, joking, it's not r
27 BA174 : Are these idiots seriously considering driving through some of the most dangerous parts of the world just because their brat of a kid won't fly. I've
28 Post contains images art : I agree. It seems that some do not recognise that a phobia can have a debilitating effect. The proposals some make suggest that the debilitating natu
29 tp1040 : This might have already been answered. But what is wrong with a ship? There have to be cruise ships that make the gulf countries part of their itinera
30 art : I wondered about that, too, but when I checked cruises to Egypt / The Gulf from UK, I could find none until October. I guess they don't run them in t
31 Post contains images canadianpylon : You have to be kidding me. This kid has something much more deeply rooted than a case of being spoiled. He's 11-years old, and will understand the im
32 Post contains images lightsaber : I think there is something much bigger here than a fear of flying. Is the home situation not healthy for the child? e.g., are the parents fighting? No
33 Post contains links ScarletHarlot : Now the kid has developed a fear of all kinds of travel. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...r-flying-terrified-ALL-travel.html (Forgive the Daily
34 lightsaber : This only reinforces my opinion that this is something far greater driving the child's fear. This isn't normal. Is the dad bad? The mom? Another rela
35 ikramerica : He simply doesn't want to move. And he must know his parents better than all the psych 101 experts and be fully aware of the lengths they will go to t
36 garpd : For pete's sake. Arrange a flight in secret (ie don't tell the boy). The morning of the departure put a double dose of Valium in his breakfast, that'l
37 cmf : Sudden? Are you aware of the earlier occurrences? The flight from UK to UAE and the flight to Sri Lanka.
38 hz747300 : Thanks for the Daily Mail article. I'm sorry, I do believe that there are real mental health issues in the world, and I believe that this is not one o
39 Post contains links cmf : Mr Thompson said: “In March, my wife took Joe back to England for half-term. He was fine on the way out but on the way back he suddenly got this ter
40 art : I'm on the turn here: yes, fear of flying can make it more or less impossible to travel by plane. A fear of any form of alternative travel? No I don'
41 lightsaber : I do not know if it is normally the case or not. To me it screams that the child is either: 1. Using fear of flight as a control mechanism in a world
42 Post contains images readytotaxi : I find your post to be balanced and with some good insight. (hope for a good outcome for all in your case) The straight up presentation by the media
43 BA174 : So the kid is now saying he is scared of all forms of travel?? This has just gone too far and unrealistic, for some reason he wants to stay un AUH an
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