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Stowaway Found Dead On A BA Flight From Cape Town  
User currently offlineEI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 703 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 14016 times:

The Stowaway was found in the wheel well of the British Airways 747 at London - Heathrow (LHR / EGLL), United Kingdom">LHR.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...rce=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter 

[Edited 2012-08-23 07:50:24]


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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13953 times:

If some people wouldresearch what they're doing before they climbed into the wheelwell of a jumbojet, maybe we wouldn't have so many tragedies like this.

User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5478 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13846 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 1):

I'm not sure it was so much a tragedy as another tidbit proving Darwin right.



What the...?
User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11722 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13765 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 1):
If some people wouldresearch what they're doing before they climbed into the wheelwell of a jumbojet, maybe we wouldn't have so many tragedies like this.

Most of the time they have done just this - researched it extensively. They know the risks and that the odds are not in their favor, but desperation make people select options like this.


Dan  



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4718 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13709 times:

Do you really think the people doing this are capably of sufficient research? Perhaps their iphone wikipedia app was acting funny that day.


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User currently offlineFly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13568 times:

People will go to no ends to make a better life for themselves, especially if under extreme hardship.

User currently offlinemcr From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13551 times:
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The report here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19359935

mentions the stowaway "may have been" a man seen scaling the fence and running towards the aircraft at Cape Town. Security couldn't approach the plane "already in it's holding pattern ready for take-off". (Since when has queuing for take-off been "in a holding pattern"?). The man couldn't be found in a search.

Frankly, that's really shocking. They knew airport security had been breached and the man hadn't been apprehended, and yet the aircraft he was last seen running towards departed anyway? Setting aside the possibility he "just" intended to stow away and was going to die, what if he had malicious intent and wanted to kill everybody on board first?


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1448 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13436 times:

What appals me here is that the security staff at CPT saw him scale the fence and saw him run towards the aircraft yet they did not supsend operations at the airport immediately.

I was on a flight recently ex LHR on Fathers Day this year. Just as we were about to taxi onto 27R for departure the airport was immediately brought to a standstill because of the Fathers for Justice crowd cutting through the fence and running out onto grass at the side of the runway! It was all over in a flash and operations resumed in a relatively short space of time but thats exactly how it should be.

For all those security people in CPT knew that individual could have had a bomb strapped to him!



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User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13412 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 4):
Do you really think the people doing this are capably of sufficient research? Perhaps their iphone wikipedia app was acting funny that day.

Exactly, maybe their Apple computer wasn't booting up while they were enjoying their latte ... jeez ...


User currently offlineslinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 859 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13386 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 7):
What appals me here is that the security staff at CPT saw him scale the fence and saw him run towards the aircraft yet they did not supsend operations at the airport immediately.

Completely agree - the consequences of this could have been horrendous and it's shocking that he was not stopped .


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9833 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13364 times:

From the article it sounds like they were trying to find someone running around at the airport. They notified BA, but didn’t hold the flight on the ground as the airplane might have already been cleared for takeoff before the security officer realized that the person could have ended up on the airplane.

It sounds like CPT needs to be a bit more tight with security and review its security procedures. I’ve seen other airports issue a groundstop for a dog or deer on the runway.

It would get cold up there, and there’s no way a human can survive for 12 hours above 30,000ft pressure altitude. People have survived short flights, but I haven’t heard of anyone surviving a long haul flight.



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11722 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13332 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 4):
Do you really think the people doing this are capably of sufficient research? Perhaps their iphone wikipedia app was acting funny that day.

Yes, that is generally how most of them know where to hide when they reach the plane, and how not to get sucked into an engine. These are desperate people completely blinkered/blinded by the idea of a better life - it only takes one report of somebody doing this and surviving, which does happen (although rarely), to make them think they can do it too.


Dan  



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User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1787 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13297 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 10):
People have survived short flights, but I haven’t heard of anyone surviving a long haul flight.

Amazingly it has happened. I think there's a guy who went from Cuba to Spain in a DC-8 a long time ago.


User currently offlineTriple Seven From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 530 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11364 times:

Reminds me of the incident back in early 90s with an MH 742 from KUL-JNB. After arrival the FE found a frozen leg 'hanging' out from uder the wheel well. The dead stowaway also had severe gash on his body. Apparently died from wheel retraction at lift-off even before the air and temperature got to him.

User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6617 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10257 times:
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Now, exactly what kills them? The landing gear when retracting or the altitude and lack of Oxygen? Or does it depend on the size of the individual?

User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10164 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 14):
Now, exactly what kills them? The landing gear when retracting or the altitude and lack of Oxygen? Or does it depend on the size of the individual?

I believe if they survive the landing gear it's more the cold which would be fatal. Lack of oxygen might be an issue but people have climbed Everest without Oxygen (28k ft).


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5478 posts, RR: 31
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9513 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 15):

Anyone who has survived Everest without oxygen did it with months of acclimation. The reduction in oxygen from going from sea level to 35,000ft in 20 minutes will kill you before you get much more than chilly.

Remember Helios? I believe everyone was passed out before they finished the climb.



What the...?
User currently offlineflyBTV From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5716 times:
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Quoting AM744 (Reply 12):

Amazingly it has happened. I think there's a guy who went from Cuba to Spain in a DC-8 a long time ago.

Indeed. http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...AJ&sjid=IaEFAAAAIBAJ&pg=861,763294

I was also able to find this one, from 2007:

http://www.digitaljournal.com/articl...la_Lumpur_hides_in_nose_wheel_well

He was arrested upon arrival.

Also, came across this topic from a few years ago, although it doesn't shed any more light on survivable incidents, beyond the above two:

RE: History Of Surviving Stowaways (by HAWK21M Oct 20 2007 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineAnt72LBA From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 414 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5004 times:

Quoting flyBTV (Reply 17):
Also, came across this topic from a few years ago, although it doesn't shed any more light on survivable incidents, beyond the above two:

Wikipedia under "stowaway" has a list of both survivors and those that died. From a quick scan of the list at least four people seem to have survived.


User currently offlinecrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1957 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4841 times:

Its reall y no big deal this whole stowaway thing.. Ada Quonsett in her late 70's pulled it off several times back in the 70's aboard Trans Global...

User currently offlineshankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4810 times:

Quoting crownvic (Reply 19):
Its reall y no big deal this whole stowaway thing.. Ada Quonsett in her late 70's pulled it off several times back in the 70's aboard Trans Global...

...if this had been Ada she would have made it into Club World...upper deck

One can only dare to imagine the terror one would experience during the take-off run, gear retraction and initial climb in the wheel well of a 747.



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User currently offlinegrozzy From Australia, joined Oct 2007, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4758 times:

In theory, if someone could access the avionics bay or the cargo hold would they be survivable?

User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7545 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4567 times:

I think it was a Fine Air DC8 that returned to SIN becuase the gear wouldn't retratct all the way. Ended up being a stow away in there. They ended up writng the plane off because the gear did not fully extend.

There have also been stories of bodies falling out when the gear is lowered ,and landing in inopportune places.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4516 times:

Certain areas of the Aircraft are unpressurized.....flying at FL40 & more can have some real low OAT & pressurization will be an issue.

But I guess its more that these folks are not aware.....



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User currently offlinestrangr From Australia, joined Apr 2012, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4392 times:

Quoting mcr (Reply 6):
mentions the stowaway "may have been" a man seen scaling the fence and running towards the aircraft at Cape Town. Security couldn't approach the plane "already in it's holding pattern ready for take-off". (Since when has queuing for take-off been "in a holding pattern"?). The man couldn't be found in a search.

I would think that most of the above and the comments on the BBC news site are just the BBC trying to make a story more viewer interesting as most media is these days. I am sure that security did not see the person at all in the first place, nor did they see them run toward the plane.

They are just trying to make a story.


25 thegeek : What's the delta between passing out and being dead?
26 BA9216C : Indeed. Electrical bays and cargo bays are pressurised. The doors however are in pressurised structure so have feedback to the flight deck. If the do
27 Lofty : I was watching on as the fire crew found the body. Not good but they acted with dignity to the body.
28 Post contains links GDB : This one made it; http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...owaway-vienna-heathrow?INTCMP=SRCH
29 Post contains links GDB : This report, from 2001, includes within it's tragic stories, one who did survive a longer flight; http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/ju...ation.immigra
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