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Peru To Build A New Cusco Airport  
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16883 posts, RR: 51
Posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6042 times:

It should make travel to Machu Picchu much easier, hopefully allow a direct connection to PTY, MIA, IAH etc..

http://news.yahoo.com/peru-build-air...t-near-machu-picchu-113301306.html

IIRC AA had briefly operated JFK-LIM-Cusco in the mid '90s with a 757.


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User currently offlinesimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6036 times:

Thoughts on a U.S. airline entering? In Safety Management System training at Delta, we were given an example (fictitious? I don't know) of Delta considering a Cusco flight but deciding not to based on all the flight safety factors of the current airport.

User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5996 times:
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Quoting STT757 (Thread starter):
It should make travel to Machu Picchu much easier, hopefully allow a direct connection to PTY, MIA, IAH etc..

LAN has already applied with the Peruvian DGAC to operate international flights from the current airport at Cuzco to Foz do Iguaçu, Brasil. The new airport at Cuzco will also allow LAN to open new regional routes to EZE, SCL, etc. By the time the new airport at Cuzco is built, LAN will have A320neos in the fleet; which could be used to open a CUZ-MIA route.


User currently offlineStevenG From Netherlands, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5888 times:

Cuzco and surroundings are high altitude and in an mountainous area, more than 3000 meters above sea level.
I know operations at the current airport are limited due to weather conditions and its location in an valley (which makes up for some spectacular views upon landing!), but what would bring a new airport when it comes to longer distance flights? Similar kind of limitations?


User currently offlineSPIM2EDDN From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5829 times:

Quoting StevenG (Reply 3):
I know operations at the current airport are limited due to weather conditions and its location in an valley (which makes up for some spectacular views upon landing!), but what would bring a new airport when it comes to longer distance flights? Similar kind of limitations?

No, the new airport, although a little bit higher than the current one will feature not only a longer runway but will also be able to handle wide body aircraft and will allow night operations and ILS approach.


User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3318 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5781 times:

I am not in favour, just me.
STT757, imagine building an airport inside Yosemite National Park, . . . so it is easier to get there.
It is the "Journey" that makes the trip worthwhile, and what you take away with you.
 



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User currently offlinetraindoc From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5535 times:

Even if a new airport is built in CUZ, the journey to Machu Piccu will not change as Cuzco is about 80 miles away. It is a long and tortuous trip, a combination of car/bus/train. The combination depends upon the weather and which roads and bridges our damaged by floods during the rainy season. Went in March and took the bus halfway due to rail line damage about 20 miles out of Cuzco.

If you are adventurous, you can hire a guide and porters and hike all the way from Cuzco to Machu Piccu. The trip takes about 2 1/2 weeks. This is how the Inca royalty did it in the 1500s.


User currently offlineaviateur From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1357 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5426 times:

The existing Cuzco airport is fine.

I have a feeling this is yet another example of a developing country wasting hundreds of millions of dollars that could be better spent providing basic services -- sanitation, clean drinking water -- to its citizens.

Dakar is another example. The current DKR airport needs an overhaul, but is more than adequate enough, space-wise, to serve Senegal. Instead of fixing it up, the government is spending billions to build a whole new airport, south of the city near the beach resorts.

The only people who make out from these wasteful projects are the contractors and builders.


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User currently onlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3392 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5383 times:

Quoting aviateur (Reply 7):
I have a feeling this is yet another example of a developing country wasting hundreds of millions of dollars that could be better spent providing basic services -- sanitation, clean drinking water -- to its citizens.

The additional income from increased passenger traffic at the new CUZ airport and greater tourism throughout the area could be used to fund the basic services you cite. It's an investment.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5350 times:
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Quoting OB1504 (Reply 8):
The additional income from increased passenger traffic at the new CUZ airport and greater tourism throughout the area could be used to fund the basic services you cite. It's an investment.

Indeed, it is extremely important that a new airport is built to replace the current airport. Currently, CUZ is near total collapse and faces significant capacity constraints. The construction of the new airport is vital to the entire Peruvian economy since an increasing amount of tourists continue to visit Cuzco annually. The construction of the new airport is also part of Perú's plan to modernize the infrastructure of its airports as domestic air traffic continues to increase rapidly in the country.


User currently offlinejetsetter629 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

Quoting traindoc (Reply 6):
If you are adventurous, you can hire a guide and porters and hike all the way from Cuzco to Machu Piccu. The trip takes about 2 1/2 weeks. This is how the Inca royalty did it in the 1500s.

It's only a 4 days 3 night hike along the Inca Trail, not 2.5 weeks...


User currently offlineskymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5007 times:

Quoting aviateur (Reply 7):
The existing Cuzco airport is fine.



It is also fun!!! I recall in the late 70's flying out on an Aero Peru F28 (I think) sitting with gold miners, complete with bags of nuggets and loaded .45's on their laps!

Wind gusts in the Andes can also be extra exciting!



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User currently offlinejrn216 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2012, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4970 times:

When I went to Machu Picchu this April our tour guide mentioned that the Peruvian authorities wished to build a new international airport near to the city. I think he pointed the area out as we went through Chinchero, and obviously it has now been approved.

It’s good for the local economy that the new airport will allow tourism to develop further, but I hope that it doesn’t just mean that tourists will be shipped into and out of Machu Picchu without enjoying Cusco, which is a wonderful city.

From a personal perspective, flying into and out of Cusco has to be one of my favorite flying experiences. The location in the centre of the city with the surrounding mountains is fantastic.


User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 988 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4893 times:

Landing in CUZ is part of the adventure of traveling to Peru and I'll be sad to see the old airport close. While a new airport might be great operationally and for the local economy, I fear that Cuzco and the Sacred Valley will be overrun by even more tourists. Machu Pichu has basically reached "capacity" and there is a limit imposed of 2500 max persons each day. There has even been talk of limiting the time a visitor is allowed to stay in the park.

User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6013 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4877 times:

Given that Machu Picchu is already suffering under the strain of the current influx of tourism, heaven knows how bad it'll be if people can fly more or less direct to it?!

I sure hope the Peruvian government has some plans in place to ensure that isn't the case..


User currently offlinetraindoc From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4126 times:

To jetsetter.

The Inca trail is only 24 miles and you start hiking much closer to Macchu Piccu . I am talking about replicating the hike from Cuzco to Macchu Piccu which is how the Inca royalty got there. There is an article on the New York Times website which details this hike and the incredible ruins which can only be reached on foot.

Regards,
Traindoc


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4545 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

Quoting traindoc (Reply 6):
the journey to Machu Picchu will not change as Cuzco is about 80 miles away.

The point here is basically a new airport serving Cuzco area and avoiding the layover at LIM for those tourists from abroad.
Most of them must spend at least one night in Lima prior to leave towards CUZ.
LP LIM-CUZ has recently recorded their highest levels, in terms of daily frequencies and the intended airport will alleviate the crowded LIM-CUZ sector.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlinejetsetter629 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3688 times:

Quoting traindoc (Reply 15):
The Inca trail is only 24 miles and you start hiking much closer to Macchu Piccu . I am talking about replicating the hike from Cuzco to Macchu Piccu which is how the Inca royalty got there. There is an article on the New York Times website which details this hike and the incredible ruins which can only be reached on foot.

Gotcha - I know you start the Inca trail near Ollantaytambo versus Cusco. On my "to-do" list for 2013


User currently offlinegsoflyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1093 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3641 times:

No way Peru will allow another airport to have long range international flights outside of Lima. I was there much of last year reading how Trujillo, Chiclayo were told no for approvals for long range international service. And by long range, I mean more than localized country connections in SA.

if its coming to peru from the west, it goes to Lima.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11668 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3627 times:

The new airport will be higher at around 3,700m ASL, so I presume we can expect a 4,000m runway similar to La Paz. Even so, I'm not sure if direct flights to Europe would be possible.


Dan  



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4545 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3385 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 19):
The new airport will be higher at around 3,700m ASL, so I presume we can expect a 4,000m runway similar to La Paz. Even so, I'm not sure if direct flights to Europe would be possible.

Even LPB is not capable to sustain non-stop flights fully packed to Europe.
The non-stop scheduled services linking Bolivia and Spain were attended out of VVI instead.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3322 times:

Quoting gsoflyer (Reply 18):
No way Peru will allow another airport to have long range international flights outside of Lima.

Why? IIRC AA has 757 CUZ-JFK rights but operationally have to stop in LIM. I'd love to see CUZ-North America flights.



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User currently offlinegsoflyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1093 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3241 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 21):
Why? IIRC AA has 757 CUZ-JFK rights but operationally have to stop in LIM. I'd love to see CUZ-North America flights.

Why? Politics, simple as that? There is more than AA that has rights to Cuzco, but, much money has been invested into Lima and they want all the international connections. They may continue to other places, but operationally they will go to LIM first. It is simply the way it is. The only exceptions are places like Iquitos that has flights to Brazil.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11668 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 20):
Even LPB is not capable to sustain non-stop flights fully packed to Europe.
The non-stop scheduled services linking Bolivia and Spain were attended out of VVI instead.

Indeed, although it would be around 1000ft lower which will make a slight difference.


Dan  



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

Quoting gsoflyer (Reply 22):
but, much money has been invested into Lima

You don't think much money is being invested in a brand new airport?



"I want to know the voice of God the rest is just details" --A. Einstein
25 gsoflyer : Sure I do. But it is less than half what was invested in LIM. Everything goes through LIM as a mandate presently. And every other airport's maneuver t
26 SJOtoLIR : Speaking about CUZ, the following schedule shows the seasonal flights linking CUZ and Chile. LA 1356......SCL 11:00........CUZ 11:50..........319 LA 1
27 gsoflyer : That's the the same thing. Chile, Brazil and Comunidad Andina (Ecuador, Bolivia, Peru, Colombia) have special agreements (a lot like Canada/Usa/Bermud
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