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Southwest Airlines To Announce Branson 8/27/12  
User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1378 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 11185 times:

Didn't see it posted but Branson Airport has announced a Pep Rally this monday with "announcements regarding Southwest's arrival date." This is the same day that Southwest expects to extend their schedule. Does anyone know of any other airports the schedule may include. Another question to keep in mind is whether Southwest will completely take over the Branson station or if it will be a dual station with AirTran... I guess we will find out Monday but I thought I would inform those of you not aware.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/pages/FlyBranson/117672807559


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User currently offlineJONC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10792 times:

This really wouldnt be news as WN has already announced the intent to keep branson in the network. Given the recent news that ATL will remain its current size (i.e. 30ish WN flights and 150ish FL flights) THROUGH 2013 at least, im going to guess it will be a dual ops station for awhile.

User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10651 times:

This is frustrating. Where is the Charlotte announcement. Arghh

Btw congrats to WN and Branson


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1378 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10467 times:

Quote:
This is frustrating. Where is the Charlotte announcement. Arghh

Btw congrats to WN and Branson

I don't live in Charlotte but I want CLT too.

Branson is being odd with this... usually SWA doesn't do this kind of pre announcement thing, this is more of an Allegiant thing. Maybe Branson isn't the only city but the only making it known before the announcement. None the less congrats to Branson and WN, and too whatever other city may be added in this round of additions.



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10325 times:

Doesn't Branson only have a weekly BWI flight and a few times a week to ATL? How does this fit into WN's business plan?

User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1378 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10258 times:

Quote:
Doesn't Branson only have a weekly BWI flight and a few times a week to ATL? How does this fit into WN's business plan?

2 Daily ATL and some weekly frequencies to Orlando, Baltimore, Houston and Chicago-Midway.

Heres the thing, you don't know what they will do. They could completely not do ATL and instead do something else. There really is no inference you can make on the routes they will announce because SWA hasn't really made there route plans known when it comes to former AirTran destinations as not many have started conversions to SWA yet.

What I can say is this will be the first time where we will find out if SWA will continue AirTran weekly flights or keep on the daily line SWA has been doing for 40 years.



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User currently offlineskycub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10188 times:

Quoting JONC777 (Reply 1):
This is frustrating. Where is the Charlotte announcement. Arghh

Btw congrats to WN and Branson

It is obvious that Southwest is slowly integrating the former AirTran cities into the Southwest route system.....

So far we have seen announcements regarding Akron/Canton, Dayton, Des Moines, Key West and now, apparently, Branson.

Southwest has made it known what AirTran cities are being dropped and which are staying.

Charlotte is, apparently, one of the cities that will stay.

So they haven't formally made an announcement about CLT.... but it clearly has a place in the future WN route system.

Why is it so frustrating that they have yet to formally announce it?

It is obvious it is sticking around.... it is not on the list of cities cut... so what is the frustration all about?


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3056 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10170 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 2):
This is frustrating. Where is the Charlotte announcement. Arghh

I found this interesting. Although CLT does not populate on WN interactive map http://www.southwest.com/html/cs/tra..._dyn.html?int=GSUBNAV-AIR-ROUTEMAP

The federal GSA contract city pair awards for the government fiscal year 2013 (FY13) which begins October 1 show three city pair contracts awarded to WN for CLT-ATL, CLT-TPA and CLT-BWI CLT&arriving_to1=&arriving_to=&search2013.x=Search+FY13" target="_blank">http://apps.fas.gsa.gov/citypairs/se...iving_to=&search2013.x=Search+FY13

Looking at the FY12 awards WN wasn't awarded anything at CLT. FL was awarded CLT-BWI and CLT-ATL. US holds the CLT-TPA award. The awards are rebid and awarded new every year so either this a FL/WN moniker carryover or the feds know something we don't.



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User currently offlineskycub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10127 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 7):
I found this interesting. Although CLT does not populate on WN interactive map http://www.southwest.com/html/cs/tra..._dyn.html?int=GSUBNAV-AIR-ROUTEMAP

The federal GSA contract city pair awards for the government fiscal year 2013 (FY13) which begins October 1 show three city pair contracts awarded to WN for CLT-ATL, CLT-TPA and CLT-BWI CLT&arriving_to1=&arriving_to=&search2013.x=Search+FY13" target="_blank">http://apps.fas.gsa.gov/citypairs/se...iving_to=&search2013.x=Search+FY13

Looking at the FY12 awards WN wasn't awarded anything at CLT. FL was awarded CLT-BWI and CLT-ATL. US holds the CLT-TPA award. The awards are rebid and awarded new every year so either this a FL/WN moniker carryover or the feds know something we don't.

Maybe I am confused, but I am looking at that map and all I see are the current Southwest cities.

I don't see Charlotte or Branson.....

What am I supposed to be looking at?


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1378 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10071 times:

Quote:
It is obvious it is sticking around.... it is not on the list of cities cut... so what is the frustration all about?

Well I'm not frustrated but it just has to do with timing. You want the flights to start so you can fly them. Knowing SWA is coming and not cutting the destination is great but, all anyone wants is to fly it. So I am assuming the frustration is that he wants the flights to start soon so he can fly it. That is at least how I feel about a few cities, I wouldn't consider it frustration though just eager.



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User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1901 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10071 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 4):
Doesn't Branson only have a weekly BWI flight and a few times a week to ATL? How does this fit into WN's business plan?

Keep in mind that Branson is a private airport and are paying WN handsomely for their operations there, so while this doesn't fit the bill for the conventional WN service, if the money they're being offered is the right price they're obviously willing to make an exception.


User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4567 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10072 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 2):
This is frustrating. Where is the Charlotte announcement. Arghh

Relax. It is going to happen. WN has already pretty much listed out which cities are going away, and most of those are already done. A lot of the markets that have been migrated already are those with multiple destinations that aren't limited to just ATL or BWI.

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 7):
The federal GSA contract city pair awards for the government fiscal year 2013 (FY13) which begins October 1 show three city pair contracts awarded to WN for CLT-ATL, CLT-TPA and CLT-BWI

Would FL/WN being on the same operating cert and the same company have anything to do with that?


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10039 times:

Quoting skycub (Reply 6):

Its just I've been waiting 8 years for WN to come. I moved from a WN city so it was a big change. I always flew them

So I'm kinda impatient


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9997 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 9):

Exactly

I moved from a WN city. I flew them everywhere. It's just eager and excitement


User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9906 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 7):

I don't understand, they bid for the flights


User currently offlineskycub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9788 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 14):

I don't understand, they bid for the flights

Huh?

Who bids for what flights?

No one bids for anything except for at slot-controlled airports...and Charlotte isn't one of them.

Anyone can fly to Charlotte if they can get the gates to allow it.

Southwest will come to Charlotte... don't worry. Charlotte is among many former AirTran cities that will slowly make its way into the Southwest route system.


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3139 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9721 times:

You'd think with an airport name like that Sir Richard would be trying to get Virgin America into there...


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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9673 times:

Quoting skycub (Reply 15):

Ik he just made it sound like that I now CLT is not slot controlled


User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9605 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 3):

I don't live in Charlotte but I want CLT too.



Folks I'm still holding my breath and praying that SWA Life enters a long term marriage with MIA! I know, FLL is a stone's throw away but WN is one of the few domestic airlines that could compete with the juggernaut that is AA in MIA. There is so much untapped potential with serving MIA.

Regarding BKG being a dual station: for the foreseeable future yes but I understand WN is absorbing the smaller FL stations and working their way to the biggies such as ATL and us BWI.



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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4567 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8311 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 18):
Folks I'm still holding my breath and praying that SWA Life enters a long term marriage with MIA!

Why would an employee website enter a relationship with a MIA? Oh wait we've been down this road already before if I remember right.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 18):
I know, FLL is a stone's throw away but WN is one of the few domestic airlines that could compete with the juggernaut that is AA in MIA. There is so much untapped potential with serving MIA.

Maybe some day once FLL is expanded as much as possible. Otherwise there is no reason to go into MIA.


User currently onlineinfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7743 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 11):
Would FL/WN being on the same operating cert and the same company have anything to do with that?

In the federal governments' eyes FL/WN is one company. Therfore I dont see anything stopping WN from allowing their subsidiary to fulfill the contract.
[
quote=ouboy79,reply=19]Maybe some day once FLL is expanded as much as possible. Otherwise there is no reason to
go into MIA.[/quote]

WN would have to get a super super super sweet deal to even considered MIA. When your the carrier holding the market share at FLL, I dont see them expanding into MIA, If they grow out of their space I see them negotiating for more at FLL not going to MIA. And to go into someones neighborhood and start fresh may not be smartest thing now.


User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4368 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7703 times:
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I expect we will continue to see cities integrated as the new schedule releases come along. Closing the smaller stations WN doesn't want and the start of integrating the small ones they do want to keep (DSM, DAY, CAK, EYW, now BKG) is already occuring. Stations like CLT are bound to be coming up soon as it is an obvious hole in their route network (and is being kept).

Quoting skycub (Reply 15):

Huh?

Who bids for what flights?

No one bids for anything except for at slot-controlled airports...and Charlotte isn't one of them

For federal government employees, they visit the GSA site GentFromAlaska posted to book air travel. This includes everything from national park employees to employes of FEMA. Airlines "bid" on route pairs to be the preferred carrier for all federal government travel between the respected city pair. For example, AirTran had FY '12's contract from 10.1.11-9.30.12 for $88 one-way on CLT-ATL. This fare stays the same and there are no restrictions (fully refundable, no Saturday night stays required, capacity constraints, etc.). WN also has the contract from 10.1.12-9.30.12 on CLT-ATL at a $108 each-way fare, or a capacity controlled $94 one-way fare. Also for example on STL-Los Angeles AA into LAX and US into ONT are the current options, while for FY'13 WN has the STL-LAX contract and US is retaining the STL-ONT contract (via PHX).

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 18):
Folks I'm still holding my breath and praying that SWA Life enters a long term marriage with MIA!

I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen eventually, although I believe MIA is one of the more expensive airports in the nation to operate out of (which in my opinion makes it a little less of a priority).



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User currently offlineKDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7630 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Thread starter):
Another question to keep in mind is whether Southwest will completely take over the Branson station or if it will be a dual station with AirTran

Um, not likely a duel station. I think they are converting the station over is really all. I saw them do this with the FL station here in DAY. Same announcement.


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3056 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7614 times:

Quoting skycub (Reply 8):
What am I supposed to be looking at?
http://apps.fas.gsa.gov/citypairs/search/index.cfm?ft Type CLT in the origin airport block and select the FY13 tab at the bottom of the page. all the awards and carriers who won any particular route will populate. To check the current awards which expire September 30 select the FY12 tab. To check other cities just type in the airport three letter IATA code or the city name. You can also conduct a single search by typing in the origin and destination cities.

Quoting skycub (Reply 15):
No one bids for anything except for at slot-controlled airports...and Charlotte isn't one of them.

You're on the wrong page. See below.

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 14):
I don't understand, they bid for the flights

These are fare awards which generate hundreds of millions dollars for the U.S. airline industry annually under the confines of the Fly America Act. They are generally unrestricted "Y" coach fares for federal government employees travelers including the military and their families on official duty and who are authorized to use them when flying enters the equation. Without getting to wordy these city pair awards are mandatory use where travel begins in the origin city. Example if my journey began in JNU (Juneau, Alaska) to BWI. There is no city pair between JNU-BWI. I could fly from JNU to SEA on one award and from SEA to BWI on a second award but I would not be mandated to do so. The senior military commander or government official historically establishes policy as to which airport is to be used where multiple airports exist in a single city. With that said every traveler must exercise prudence and be a steward of the tax payer dollar. I've seen travelers absorb what some travel manager term fluff

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 10):
Would FL/WN being on the same operating cert and the same company have anything to do with that?

That would be my guess but I dunno the intricacies of the certificate



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User currently offlinecrjflyer35 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 668 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7490 times:

Not to high-jack the thread, but is there any hard dates set on when WN will start service into GRR while they phase out the Airtran name? If so, do we know what routes WN plans on serving out of GRR? (MDW, ATL, LAS/PHX possibly?)


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25 bobnwa : Maybe SWA doesn't usually make pre announcements, but their partner AirTran, is the king of pre announcements via a few A netters on this forum.
26 Kcrwflyer : I can't wait to see how BKG performs once its a pure WN Station. Ditto for ICT.
27 Post contains links LoneStarMike : Do any AirTran employees work at Branson right now? The reason I ask is because of the following from an old New York Times article when BKG was gett
28 Post contains images airliner371 : I think it would preform the same if not better in a bigger network. Both airports are using insentive programs and BKG specifically has alot of . So
29 southwest737500 : Okay, thank you that makes more sense. I know it's not slot controlled. Thank you
30 Post contains images wnflyguy : Airtran has only one employee at Branson the station manager. All other work is 3 party contract. This I belive along with Key West will be WN first
31 Kcrwflyer : At the end of the day, yes. But a subsidized route that runs 40% loads is bad, period. The subsidy makes it worthwhile for the airline but it doesnt
32 alggag : Just because the Branson management decided to tip their hand a bit doesn't necessarily mean that BKG will be the *only* station announced on Monday.
33 zippyjet : Within the past 18 months, I heard from several sources within our company that WN and Metrodade (operates MIA) were working on an agreement for up t
34 infiniti329 : KLM & Delta are partners..... FL is a subsidiary of WN
35 SurfandSnow : I wonder how many markets BKG has bought WN service to. Assuming the airport doesn't want to screw over longstanding partner F9, which has faithfully
36 Post contains images point2point : most likely...... Probably, since these are FL nonstop routes which are already there..... In addition, I would think that DAL (I don't think that th
37 Post contains links LoneStarMike : It doesn't. I think WN may possibly convert FL's MDW-BKG service to WN and have it operate once daily (if it doesn't already) and pair that with a ne
38 Post contains images wnflyguy : I agree new DAL service. But I see it more of a BWI-BKG-DAL service. Wnfg l
39 QANTAS747-438 : And I'm holding my breath waiting for you to stop calling us SWALife. Seriously, please stop.
40 usflyguy : I second that. SWALIFE is a website, Southwest Airlines or WN is the airline. It's like someone that works at DL calling it deltanet...
41 Post contains images skycub :
42 smoot4208 : US has over 650 flights out of CLT. I'm not quite sure what WN is really going to do for you that FL (via ATL or BWI) can't do for you right now.
43 airliner371 : AirTran schedule came out today. One daily BKG-ATL remains at AirTran and that is it, when I type in MDW, HOU and MCO it brings me to Southwest Airlin
44 southwest737500 : I don't think the amount of flights matters. Let's just wait to see how it goes. I expect CLT-MDW CLT-STL CLT-DEN. Maybe CLT-BWI getting converted to
45 ouboy79 : At some point, hopefully, someone at the station they work at will say something. The company has a huge loyalty towards the brand and not identifyin
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