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User currently onlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 934 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5350 times:
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2 questions

1-Why does KLM fly the 747 combi to LAX? A330 & 777 too large for this market? When KLM retires the 747M, what will they operate to LAX?


2- Looking at SFO-AMS flights, it shows 2 flights by KLM leaving 15 minutes apart. Is this right?

DL9381 A330 departs 2:25pm (operated by KLM)
KLM 606 MD11 departs 2:40pm

Is the AMS-SFO actually larger than AMS-LAX?

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24729 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5287 times:

Quoting g500 (Thread starter):
Why does KLM fly the 747 combi to LAX?

KLM does lots of cargo biz at LAX -- including in the unique horse transport niche for which they are well known.

Quoting g500 (Thread starter):
Looking at SFO-AMS flights, it shows 2 flights by KLM leaving 15 minutes apart. Is this right?

Don't know what you are looking at, but KLM only has a single SFO flight. KL606 departs at 2pm.

LAX has 2 flights - KL602 daily and KL604 3x week.

Quoting g500 (Thread starter):
Is the AMS-SFO actually larger than AMS-LAX?

LAX is bigger -

Enplanements for 2011 -

LAX - 231,183
SFO - 206,833



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User currently onlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 934 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5111 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
Don't know what you are looking at, but KLM only has a single SFO flight. KL606 departs at 2pm.

that's what I thought, but according to passrider.com "2 routes" that doesn't seem right

Result: 2 Routes timetable
from FlightLookup.com

Info..........Depart......via .....Arrive ...........Duration..... Flight Numbers.. Meals..... Aircraft
(i) SFO....2:25pm..AMS...0:15am+1......10h50m ....... Delta9381............D............332
(i) SFO ...2:40pm..AMS....10:15am+1...10h35m........ KLM606........ .....M........... M11

http://mm.flightlookup.com:8000/?Fro...Hops=NONSTOP&button=Show+Schedules


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5020 times:

Quoting g500 (Thread starter):
1-Why does KLM fly the 747 combi to LAX? A330 & 777 too large for this market? When KLM retires the 747M, what will they operate to LAX?

They fly the full pax and the combi. However nowadays only the Combi

Quoting g500 (Reply 2):

Result: 2 Routes timetable
from FlightLookup.com

Info..........Depart......via .....Arrive ...........Duration..... Flight Numbers.. Meals..... Aircraft
(i) SFO....2:25pm..AMS...0:15am+1......10h50m ....... Delta9381............D............332
(i) SFO ...2:40pm..AMS....10:15am+1...10h35m........ KLM606........ .....M........... M11

Which is entirely incorrect as KL605/6 is a 747 full pax in Summer (OK final month a 77W) and in W12 an A330-200.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 1):
LAX is bigger -

However probably not this year. During S12 SFO is a daily 747 full pax or 77W (2,905 weekly seats). This will be slightly less after September 18th when the 777-200 will take over 3 weekly flights (300 weekly seats less)LAX is a daily 747 combi and 3 weekly MD11 (2,780 weekly seats). Between June 21st and August 17th the capacity between AMS-LAX was higher, but before KL603/4 was operational (and as of mid Spetember when KL603/4 stops operating) the seat capacity between AMS-LAX was much lower. Next winter it will be a daily A330-200 for SFO (243 seats) and a daily 747 combi (275 seats).

[Edited 2012-08-24 09:27:37]

[Edited 2012-08-24 09:29:42]

User currently onlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 934 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4981 times:
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Quoting LJ (Reply 3):

so that 747 Combi on AMS-LAX is not going anywhere??? no chance of seeing one of KLM's 777s at LAX anytime soon


User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3158 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4811 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 3):
They fly the full pax and the combi. However nowadays only the Combi

No, it's still a mix for KL 601/602
Days 357: 747 full pax
Days 1246: 747 combi

KL 603:
Days 467: M11

Quoting LJ (Reply 3):
Next winter it will be a daily A330-200 for SFO (243 seats)

AMS-SFO is now planned for 5x weekly M11, like last year. It was scheduled for 6x weekly 332, but this was changed 3 weeks ago.


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