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Southwest Airline Flight Attendant Hiring?  
User currently offlineryanrap1 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 193 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8234 times:

Does anyone know when Southwest could possibly start hiring for flight attendants again?

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User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1480 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8233 times:

We are in the middle of integrating the FL FA's into WN and we've only brought over maybe 300 or so out of 2,200-ish. I don't see us hiring off the street for several years.


ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1441 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8006 times:

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We are in the middle of integrating the FL FA's into WN and we've only brought over maybe 300 or so out of 2,200-ish. I don't see us hiring off the street for several years.

While true, these employees are being converted while FL planes are converted, so if Southwest wants to begin growing again which they said they expect to start doing next year, they will need new people.



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User currently offline737tanker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 7842 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 2):
While true, these employees are being converted while FL planes are converted, so if Southwest wants to begin growing again which they said they expect to start doing next year, they will need new people.

Southwest has told the employees not to expect growth until 2015 at the earliest.


User currently offlineASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1181 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7678 times:

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 2):
While true, these employees are being converted while FL planes are converted, so if Southwest wants to begin growing again which they said they expect to start doing next year, they will need new people.

AirTran has quite a few more 717's than 737's. They aren't integrating any of the 717's into the Southwest fleet, though they are integrating all of the FL FA's into the Southwest system. Given that, Southwest could grow quite a bit before they would have to hire new FA's. It's gonna be a few years at minimum I would think - barring any unforeseen rapid expansion.


User currently offlinephxmkeflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7418 times:

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 4):
AirTran has quite a few more 717's than 737's. They aren't integrating any of the 717's into the Southwest fleet, though they are integrating all of the FL FA's into the Southwest system. Given that, Southwest could grow quite a bit before they would have to hire new FA's.

True, but what your missing is that because WN is not retaining the 717, WN is holding onto the 737-300's longer than anticipated to fill that void left by the 717 essentially keeping the a/c fleet count flat.

You must also take into account attrition. WN has some very senior F/A's that will need to be replaced. Don't also forget to take into account the rapid addition over the next year/year and a half of the 737-800 to the fleet which requires 4 F/A's as opposed to 3 on WN's other 737's.

Take all of these factors into account and I would actually expect WN to be hiring F/A's yet again within the next year IMHO.


User currently offlineirish From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7369 times:

They also do internal hiring first which usually fills up all the spots.

User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7351 times:

This is kinda off topic, but I'm interested in becoming a pilot and I have always been interested in flying for WN. By the time I will be looking for a job it will be 2016-2017 at least, as I am still in high school, but do they hire pilots and crews from areas where they don't have bases? For instance, I live near ISP, but it isn't a base. If I did get hired, would I be relocated to an area such as Baltimore or Chicago, or somewhere like that?

User currently offlineCONTACREW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7282 times:

The sCO side of UA will be accepting applications for inflight starting August 28th.   From what I understand all the new hires will be sent to the sub bases (LAX, ORD, SFO, DEN & IAD) EWR & IAH are closed to new hires.


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User currently offlineinfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6682 times:

Quoting irish (Reply 6):
They also do internal hiring first which usually fills up all the spots.

Yes this true, and i can tell you the internal list will be longgg, at least 5% of the workforce at every WN station is waiting to pounce on it as soon as it opens...so do not expect any hiring from off the street for several years.


User currently offline737tanker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6638 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 7):
but do they hire pilots and crews from areas where they don't have bases? For instance, I live near ISP, but it isn't a base. If I did get hired, would I be relocated to an area such as Baltimore or Chicago, or somewhere like that?


WN, and all airlines, hire from across the country. When you are hired you are assigned a base based on your seniority, not where you live. Right now the junior bases for WN F/Os are OAK and LAS. In your case if you were hired by WN and could only hold OAK then you would have the choice of moving to OAK, at your expense, or continue to live near ISP and commute to OAK until such time your seniority allowed you to have a position in MDW or BWI.


User currently offlinee38 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6620 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 7), "I am still in high school . . ."

Your member profile indicates your age between 35 and 46. Are you the oldest student attending your high school? Keep in mind, if you are really interested in becoming a pilot for a major airline, there is a certain level of honesty and integrity that all companies consider to be "core values."

You also stated, "I have always been interested in flying for WN."

Based on your current pilot certificate, ratings, and qualifications, and actual age, how much time do you realistically think will elapse before you meet Southwest's minimum qualifications to be competitive for a pilot position? You are still in high school, but you will be looking for a pilot job with Southwest in the next four to five years? Honest?

To answer your questions, there are a plethora of websites available to get you started on a career as a pilot with a major airline . . .off the top of my head, www.airlinepilotcentral.com and www.jetcareers.com just to name two.

Specifically, "If I did get hired, would I be relocated to an area such as Baltimore or Chicago, or somewhere like that?"

No, Southwest would open up a pilot base at ISP just for you.

Of course they would relocate you to a city (one of their pilot bases--domiciles) where they need pilots, and generally speaking, it would be the most junior base. It's a fairly complex process; I think one of the previous mentioned websites would help you, but an airline doesn't care where you come from; they want the highest quality candidate they can possibly find and will assign that person to whichever base has an opening at the completion of training.

Hope this helps, and I apologize for the humor; I just couldn't resist.

e38

[Edited 2012-08-24 21:24:09]

User currently offlinewdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5691 times:

Quoting e38 (Reply 11):
Your member profile indicates your age between 35 and 46. Are you the oldest student attending your high school? Keep in mind, if you are really interested in becoming a pilot for a major airline, there is a certain level of honesty and integrity that all companies consider to be "core values."

You also stated, "I have always been interested in flying for WN."

what age he posts on Airliners.net has nothing to do with his honesty and integrity. Perhaps he says he is 35 to 46 to keep internet perverts away so his honesty and integrity stays intact.





On another note on WN. You won't be flying with them until your 30's. They are very hard to get on with, want a 737 type rating and pull a lot from the military.


User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1480 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5096 times:

Quoting WNCrew (Reply 1):
if Southwest wants to begin growing again which they said they expect to start doing next year, they will need new people.

We have been told we will NOT grow, but stay flat. We deferred delivery of 737-800's for next year and "..will now receive 20 737-800s in 2013 and 24 in 2014, and a total of 34 737-800s this year. Of the deferred aircraft, 15 will be delivered in 2017, with the remaining 15 scheduled for 2018." (ATW)

We've already gotten rid of several 737-500's and 737-300's this year. As for attrition... our rates are VERY low, and as for the 4th FA staffing on the 737-800 that shouldn't affect us very much. We've historically been overstaffed the last few years when it comes to the 4th Qtr and into the new yr, add in the FL FA's and we shouldn't need anyone new for a while.



ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5070 times:

Quoting e38 (Reply 11):
but you will be looking for a pilot job with Southwest in the next four to five years? Honest?

I apologize for miscalculating the years. That's not dishonesty, that's a math mistake.

Quoting e38 (Reply 11):

Specifically, "If I did get hired, would I be relocated to an area such as Baltimore or Chicago, or somewhere like that?"

No, Southwest would open up a pilot base at ISP just for you.

Sarcasm isn't necessary. What I meant was that do they hire pilots and have them operate flights from or near where they live. For instance, if a pilot lives in Raleigh, would they have them stay in Raleigh, and maybe operate a flight from RDU to a base, and then have them operate other flights?

I was not implying that they would open a base just for me.

Quoting e38 (Reply 11):
Your member profile indicates your age between 35 and 46. Are you the oldest student attending your high school?
Quoting wdleiser (Reply 12):
what age he posts on Airliners.net has nothing to do with his honesty and integrity. Perhaps he says he is 35 to 46 to keep internet perverts away so his honesty and integrity stays intact.

That is mostly the reason, but I used to have my real age on my profile, and I noticed that what I said wasn't being taken as seriously as what others, who were older, said. So, I switched it as a test to see if it would help people respect me a bit more, and it did.

Quoting wdleiser (Reply 12):
On another note on WN. You won't be flying with them until your 30's. They are very hard to get on with, want a 737 type rating and pull a lot from the military.

Thank you for that. I wasn't sure if I could get with them, because I have no plans of going into the military, but I was chatting with a WN Senior pilot during a layover in BWI and (granted pilots are not the most informed), but he told me that airlines have been looking less at military backgrounds when looking at hiring pilots. I was surprised to hear this, but this guy seemed to know what he was takling about.

[Edited 2012-08-25 09:33:05]

User currently offlineASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1181 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5067 times:

Quoting phxmkeflyer (Reply 5):
True, but what your missing is that because WN is not retaining the 717, WN is holding onto the 737-300's longer than anticipated to fill that void left by the 717 essentially keeping the a/c fleet count flat.

You must also take into account attrition. WN has some very senior F/A's that will need to be replaced. Don't also forget to take into account the rapid addition over the next year/year and a half of the 737-800 to the fleet which requires 4 F/A's as opposed to 3 on WN's other 737's.

Take all of these factors into account and I would actually expect WN to be hiring F/A's yet again within the next year IMHO.



There's a post just several posts above this that explains in better detail about WN's fleet plans for the next few years. I still doubt that there will be new FA's brought on in the next couple of years or more,

[Edited 2012-08-25 09:33:18]

User currently offlinee38 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4985 times:

Quoting spiriair97 (Reply 14), "Sarcasm isn't necessary."

Don, I apologize to you for that.

The more I thought about it, I realize the way airline crew members live is so vastly different than most other folks who work for a living and have regular jobs--the schedules, the number of days on, days off, contract issues, the process of bidding mpnthly schedules, possibly commuting to and from work and much, much more--that unless you have actually "lived it," it is almost impossible for someone else to understand. I didn't intend to hurt your feelings.

Also quoting spiritair97, " if a pilot lives in Raleigh, would they have them stay in Raleigh, and maybe operate a flight from RDU to a base, and then have them operate other flights? "

While that sounds logical, it really doesn't work like that. The scheduling of crewmembers at a major air carrier is quite a complex process and normally crew members start and end their trips at their assigned crew base (domicile), although there are exceptions. In your example, if a pilot lived in Raleigh and was going to work a flight outbound from RDU, assuming no other pilot lived in that area, who would work the inbound flight?

There are exceptions--some trips begin and end with "deadhead" legs, but these are the exception, not the rule. Also, with some of the fractional ownership companies, such as NetJets, since the aircraft are constantly moving around the country, they often do not have assigned pilot bases, and pilots are allowed to live anywhere they want. The company provides them confirmed seats on commercial airlines to meet their aircraft. I'm not positive how this works--I have never worked for such a company--but it seems to be a great deal. Perhaps there is someone on this forum or someone you know who can give you better information on fractional ownership operations--Flex jets, NetJets, etc.

Concerning where you live, most air carriers don't care where you live as long as you show up to work on time. Many pilots choose to live in places other than where they are based and "commute" to work, and every company has a different policy on commuting (i.e., how early you have to start and what process to follow if your inbound flight to get to work is delayed or cancelled). Some pilots can bid trips so they are able to commute from their home to their base city the same day and return home the same day at the end of their trip, while others--depending on their seniority--find it convenient to have an apartment or rental home in their base city. You may have heard these called "crash pads" or "commuter apartments/commuter homes" and they are typically shared by a large number of crewmembers. Of course, commuting to and from work can add a certain amount of stress to your life. My advice to anyone interested in working as an airline crewmembers is to plan to actually live in the city in which you are based. This reduces stress and increases opportunities for flexibility with schedules and/or to pick up additional flights, as necessary, and this is particularly true if you are on "Reserve." The downside to this of course, is if the company decides to close the base in that city, for example, as Delta receently did with the Memphis pilot base.

Last quote from spiritair 97, "airlines have been looking less at military backgrounds when looking at hiring pilots."

Don, there is a reason for this. With all the events that have happened in the world since 2001--particularly commitments in Iraq/Afghanistan, etc--some branches of the military have increased the commitment by their servicemembers or imposed "stop loss" (i.e., placing a moritorium on people planning to separate from the military) and as a result, there has been a considerable reduction in the pool of military pilots. Therefore, airlines have had to turn to regional carriers or small cargo operators, ab initio flight training programs, flight schools, etc from which to source their pilots. Also, remember that the air carriers have not been hiring for a while, and many military pilots have chosen to extend their time in the service; perhaps electing to complete a full career (20 years) in the military before persuing work as an airline pilot. True, most airlines think military pilots make good candidates because the training provided to them by the military services is outstanding, but if the pool of pilots is not there, they have to turn to other sources.

I hope all that helps, and I wish you well with your endeavors.

e38


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4944 times:

Quoting e38 (Reply 16):
Don, I apologize to you for that.

The more I thought about it, I realize the way airline crew members live is so vastly different than most other folks who work for a living and have regular jobs--the schedules, the number of days on, days off, contract issues, the process of bidding mpnthly schedules, possibly commuting to and from work and much, much more--that unless you have actually "lived it," it is almost impossible for someone else to understand. I didn't intend to hurt your feelings.

It's alright. I respect that you actually apologized, unlike some people on this forum.

Quoting e38 (Reply 16):

Thanks for clearing all that up, though.


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