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SWA F/A's To Vote On International(again)  
User currently offlinerumorboy From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 356 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3821 times:

I guess they came to an agreement. I hope it passes this time.

"The deal would lead to overseas service to destinations such as Hawaii, Alaska, Puerto Rico, the Caribbean, Central America, Venezuela, Ecuador, Colombia and Peru, the AP reports. Southwest also plans to take over subsidiary AirTran Airways’ overseas flights, including those to Mexico, Jamaica, the Dominican Republic, Bermuda, the Bahamas and Aruba."

http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/m...uthwest-attendants-to-vote-on.html

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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2434 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3662 times:

The title of the news article in the link should probably say "overseas" or something similar, instead of "international", since according to the article they are voting on new service to Hawaii, Alaska, and Puerto Rico. Last I knew they weren't international destinations.


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User currently offlineskycub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3638 times:

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 1):
The title of the news article in the link should probably say "overseas" or something similar, instead of "international", since according to the article they are voting on new service to Hawaii, Alaska, and Puerto Rico. Last I knew they weren't international destinations.

Okay when I read the article, I read read, as rumorboy posted, the voting included flying to the Caribbean, Central America, Venezuela, Ecuador, Colombia and Peru....

Last I checked... those WERE international destinations.


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1381 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

Does anyone how the flight attendants feel about this... Do they like this contract or is it likely to be vetoed?


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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3567 times:

Does the vote have any bearing on FIS expansion at HOU?


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User currently offlineinfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 655 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3532 times:

In essence it is international & rest of the U.S.A not connected to the mainland.... in the side letter it basically covers everywhere in the western hemisphere within range of our 737's.. FYI the article left alot of other destinations thats in the letter

User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2434 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

Quoting skycub (Reply 2):
Okay when I read the article, I read read, as rumorboy posted, the voting included flying to the Caribbean, Central America, Venezuela, Ecuador, Colombia and Peru....

I agree. All I am saying is that the article addresses BOTH domestic and foreign destinations, yet the title of the news article only states International.

Quoting skycub (Reply 2):
Last I checked... those WERE international destinations.

I agree, those "WERE" and still are.

[Edited 2012-08-24 10:23:02]

[Edited 2012-08-24 10:23:59]


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User currently offlineswafa From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

I'm hearing more positive words about this TA. Also hearing that it doesn't address every concern. In fairness, I do not believe that any TA will address every concern. My feeling is that, with a larger voter turnout, this TA will pass.

User currently offlineyeelep From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 655 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3352 times:

Would outside the Contigous or Lower 48 states make everybody happy.

User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2864 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 2897 times:

Let's hope WN has made the necessary changes to get this approved. The pilots are ready to fly internationally, once the FAs are on board (no pun intended) all they need to do is upgrade the reservation system!

Quoting rumorboy (Thread starter):
Hawaii

I doubt they would have undergone the costly, challenging ETOPS process if they didn't intend to fly here. IMO a matter of if, not when. Will be interesting to see how HA and AS hold up on their established routes to Hawaii from secondary California markets like SMF, OAK, SJC, and SAN where WN is a very strong player and will likely link with the Aloha State...

Quoting rumorboy (Thread starter):
Alaska

I bet AS would aggressively defend its namesake turf at all costs. They do have a cost advantage vs. WN, and Alaska is a heavily seasonal, relatively small market, so I wonder if WN would find it worth their while. They would probably end up serving ANC from the likes of SEA, PDX, and DEN - markets that aren't exactly underserved today by established competitors...

Quoting rumorboy (Thread starter):
Puerto Rico

Appears to be a gold mine for FL. Things could get interesting if they really start to bump heads with B6 down there...

Quoting rumorboy (Thread starter):
the Caribbean

All of the major leisure markets are quite well served by FL already. Will they jump into smaller leisure markets like GCM, PLS, STT, STX, SXM, BON, etc. that are well outside their traditional high frequency model, or will they brave the more challenging (for U.S. carriers) VFR stuff like SDQ, STI, KIN, PAP, POS, etc.? If it is the latter, I suspect B6 will not make life easy for them...

Quoting rumorboy (Thread starter):
Central America

Will be interesting to see if they can make inroads into the VFR markets. Even B6 hasn't ventured anywhere beyond Costa Rica, which has by far the largest American tourist/leisure traveler market - internet savvy pax with credit cards that are much easier to serve than those who can't speak a word of English paying cash through travel agents. That said, WN will have something available that B6 doesn't: Houston  .

Quoting rumorboy (Thread starter):
Venezuela

Don't hold your breath for this one. NK has been waiting for what, 6 years to fly there? Obviously this is just wishful thinking!

Quoting rumorboy (Thread starter):
Ecuador, Colombia and Peru

Interesting, I didn't realize these markets were even on WN's radar.

Quoting rumorboy (Thread starter):
Southwest also plans to take over subsidiary AirTran Airways’ overseas flights, including those to Mexico, Jamaica, the Dominican Republic, Bermuda, the Bahamas and Aruba."

With the exception of the new Mexican routes, for the time being random p2p services that lack FF loyalty and hub feed, all of these services seem to be doing very well with one exception: BDA. Many expected WN to close BDA, but they have said it will be kept. This station apparently cannot even sustain year-round service of any kind, though perhaps that will change once WN's BWI flier base and tremendous hub feed become available. Will be interesting to see if WN is willing to serve some markets with very low frequency or complete seasonal suspensions in the future - a far cry from the minimum 6-8 daily flight rule  .



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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1941 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Quoting rumorboy (Thread starter):
Venezuela
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Quoting rumorboy (Thread starter):
Ecuador, Colombia and Peru

Interesting, I didn't realize these markets were even on WN's radar.

This is something I'm surprised more people have not picked up on. WN has said that they want to fly to overwater places and then they start naming these 4 countries along with Panama. It's just oddly specific. It's not like WN simply says "Latin and South America" and leaves it at that. They actually name countries. Interesting.



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User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7152 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

Well, with WN in Ft Lauderdale and AA looking at removing ATR's fron Nassau and replacing with RJ's, 2 to 4 737's flights FLL-NAS-FLL per day or even 3x weekly would certainely put a hurting on AA.
Bahamians drive in MIA so usually have no issue whether we fly into MIA or FLL, and with the number of bags we travel with a 737 can accomodate much more than the current ATR's and their eventual replacement.
AA's strength from MIA has been frequency which will have to go down if they replace the ATR's with jets, and since we have seen nothing to say it will be mainline 737's, odds are RJ', so let's see what WN offers.
AA's strength of connections is MIA, WN has a strong base in FLL so both can co-exist and offer markets where college students and their families presently struggle with easy travel options.


User currently offlinegizmonc From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2418 times:

Most airlines do not consider SJU or HNL International , however if the destination does require Passport and you must go thru Customs and Immigrations it is International. Many international cities are staffed with US Officials so you clean Customs and Immigrations, such is the case leaving YYZ and other Canadian destinations. I know Ireland , Dublin and Shannon offer the same, making it easier for travelers to enter US having documents checked prior to boarding the aircraft.

User currently offlineFlyingHollander From Netherlands, joined Jul 2011, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

Quoting gizmonc (Reply 12):
if the destination does require Passport and you must go thru Customs and Immigrations it is International.

That isn't a 100% accurate definition. When travelling between different countries in the Schengen Area you do not need to clear customs or immigration. Also I'm allowed to use my Dutch ID card instead of my passport when I travel within the EU, Andorra, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, Turkey, Iceland and Switzerland. Flights between any of these countries are still international.

When flying to any of the Dutch islands in the Caribbean Dutch citizens must travel on a passport, even though I believe this isn't considered international.

[Edited 2012-08-26 05:46:20]


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User currently offlineFlyingHollander From Netherlands, joined Jul 2011, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

What's the maximum range of Southwest's aircraft while fully loaded? According to wikipedia it's about 3365nm. From Florida that means a good chunk of Brazil could be served, from BOS Western Europe could be served and from ANC Japan and Korea could be served. On the one hand I assume winds and other circumstances make the maximum range quite a bit shorter as there is no regular 737 transatlantic service. On the other hand CM is able to fly long flights like PTY-GIG, which is shorter than both BOS-LHR and BOS-LIS, on a 737.

I know WN will do shorter flights first like Hawaii, the Caribbean, Central America, and Colombia. However, it would be very interesting to see Southwest in Europe, Asia and Brazil.



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User currently offlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 931 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

Quoting FlyingHollander (Reply 14):

Those will be after the 787's come in. Lol!



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User currently offlineFlyingHollander From Netherlands, joined Jul 2011, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2172 times:

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 15):
Those will be after the 787's come in. Lol!

I know its a longshot, but if CM can do similar missions from PTY with their 737 why can't WN?

[Edited 2012-08-26 07:29:09]


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User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2325 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 15):
Those will be after the 787's come in. Lol!

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User currently offlinegizmonc From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 days ago) and read 1679 times:

Quoting FlyingHollander (Reply 13):

FLYINGHOLLANDER I was referring to flights that WN would be making I was not referring to flights within the EU. WN has no plans to go to Europe at this time. My post was reguards to US citizens and not the EU , Asia or South America.


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