rumorboy From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 352 posts, RR: 1 Posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3469 times:
I guess they came to an agreement. I hope it passes this time.
"The deal would lead to overseas service to destinations such as Hawaii, Alaska, Puerto Rico, the Caribbean, Central America, Venezuela, Ecuador, Colombia and Peru, the AP reports. Southwest also plans to take over subsidiary AirTran Airways’ overseas flights, including those to Mexico, Jamaica, the Dominican Republic, Bermuda, the Bahamas and Aruba."
CitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2312 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3310 times:
The title of the news article in the link should probably say "overseas" or something similar, instead of "international", since according to the article they are voting on new service to Hawaii, Alaska, and Puerto Rico. Last I knew they weren't international destinations.
skycub From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 287 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3286 times:
Quoting CitationJet (Reply 1): The title of the news article in the link should probably say "overseas" or something similar, instead of "international", since according to the article they are voting on new service to Hawaii, Alaska, and Puerto Rico. Last I knew they weren't international destinations.
Okay when I read the article, I read read, as rumorboy posted, the voting included flying to the Caribbean, Central America, Venezuela, Ecuador, Colombia and Peru....
Last I checked... those WERE international destinations.
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infiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 312 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3180 times:
In essence it is international & rest of the U.S.A not connected to the mainland.... in the side letter it basically covers everywhere in the western hemisphere within range of our 737's.. FYI the article left alot of other destinations thats in the letter
swafa From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 24 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3044 times:
I'm hearing more positive words about this TA. Also hearing that it doesn't address every concern. In fairness, I do not believe that any TA will address every concern. My feeling is that, with a larger voter turnout, this TA will pass.
SurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2738 posts, RR: 31 Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2545 times:
Let's hope WN has made the necessary changes to get this approved. The pilots are ready to fly internationally, once the FAs are on board (no pun intended) all they need to do is upgrade the reservation system!
I doubt they would have undergone the costly, challenging ETOPS process if they didn't intend to fly here. IMO a matter of if, not when. Will be interesting to see how HA and AS hold up on their established routes to Hawaii from secondary California markets like SMF, OAK, SJC, and SAN where WN is a very strong player and will likely link with the Aloha State...
I bet AS would aggressively defend its namesake turf at all costs. They do have a cost advantage vs. WN, and Alaska is a heavily seasonal, relatively small market, so I wonder if WN would find it worth their while. They would probably end up serving ANC from the likes of SEA, PDX, and DEN - markets that aren't exactly underserved today by established competitors...
All of the major leisure markets are quite well served by FL already. Will they jump into smaller leisure markets like GCM, PLS, STT, STX, SXM, BON, etc. that are well outside their traditional high frequency model, or will they brave the more challenging (for U.S. carriers) VFR stuff like SDQ, STI, KIN, PAP, POS, etc.? If it is the latter, I suspect B6 will not make life easy for them...
Will be interesting to see if they can make inroads into the VFR markets. Even B6 hasn't ventured anywhere beyond Costa Rica, which has by far the largest American tourist/leisure traveler market - internet savvy pax with credit cards that are much easier to serve than those who can't speak a word of English paying cash through travel agents. That said, WN will have something available that B6 doesn't: Houston .
Interesting, I didn't realize these markets were even on WN's radar.
Quoting rumorboy (Thread starter): Southwest also plans to take over subsidiary AirTran Airways’ overseas flights, including those to Mexico, Jamaica, the Dominican Republic, Bermuda, the Bahamas and Aruba."
With the exception of the new Mexican routes, for the time being random p2p services that lack FF loyalty and hub feed, all of these services seem to be doing very well with one exception: BDA. Many expected WN to close BDA, but they have said it will be kept. This station apparently cannot even sustain year-round service of any kind, though perhaps that will change once WN's BWI flier base and tremendous hub feed become available. Will be interesting to see if WN is willing to serve some markets with very low frequency or complete seasonal suspensions in the future - a far cry from the minimum 6-8 daily flight rule .
Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9): Quoting rumorboy (Thread starter):
Ecuador, Colombia and Peru
Interesting, I didn't realize these markets were even on WN's radar.
This is something I'm surprised more people have not picked up on. WN has said that they want to fly to overwater places and then they start naming these 4 countries along with Panama. It's just oddly specific. It's not like WN simply says "Latin and South America" and leaves it at that. They actually name countries. Interesting.
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par13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 6482 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2095 times:
Well, with WN in Ft Lauderdale and AA looking at removing ATR's fron Nassau and replacing with RJ's, 2 to 4 737's flights FLL-NAS-FLL per day or even 3x weekly would certainely put a hurting on AA.
Bahamians drive in MIA so usually have no issue whether we fly into MIA or FLL, and with the number of bags we travel with a 737 can accomodate much more than the current ATR's and their eventual replacement.
AA's strength from MIA has been frequency which will have to go down if they replace the ATR's with jets, and since we have seen nothing to say it will be mainline 737's, odds are RJ', so let's see what WN offers.
AA's strength of connections is MIA, WN has a strong base in FLL so both can co-exist and offer markets where college students and their families presently struggle with easy travel options.
gizmonc From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 303 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2066 times:
Most airlines do not consider SJU or HNL International , however if the destination does require Passport and you must go thru Customs and Immigrations it is International. Many international cities are staffed with US Officials so you clean Customs and Immigrations, such is the case leaving YYZ and other Canadian destinations. I know Ireland , Dublin and Shannon offer the same, making it easier for travelers to enter US having documents checked prior to boarding the aircraft.
FlyingHollander From Netherlands, joined Jul 2011, 214 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2019 times:
Quoting gizmonc (Reply 12): if the destination does require Passport and you must go thru Customs and Immigrations it is International.
That isn't a 100% accurate definition. When travelling between different countries in the Schengen Area you do not need to clear customs or immigration. Also I'm allowed to use my Dutch ID card instead of my passport when I travel within the EU, Andorra, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Norway, San Marino, Turkey, Iceland and Switzerland. Flights between any of these countries are still international.
When flying to any of the Dutch islands in the Caribbean Dutch citizens must travel on a passport, even though I believe this isn't considered international.
FlyingHollander From Netherlands, joined Jul 2011, 214 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1941 times:
What's the maximum range of Southwest's aircraft while fully loaded? According to wikipedia it's about 3365nm. From Florida that means a good chunk of Brazil could be served, from BOS Western Europe could be served and from ANC Japan and Korea could be served. On the one hand I assume winds and other circumstances make the maximum range quite a bit shorter as there is no regular 737 transatlantic service. On the other hand CM is able to fly long flights like PTY-GIG, which is shorter than both BOS-LHR and BOS-LIS, on a 737.
I know WN will do shorter flights first like Hawaii, the Caribbean, Central America, and Colombia. However, it would be very interesting to see Southwest in Europe, Asia and Brazil.
FLYINGHOLLANDER I was referring to flights that WN would be making I was not referring to flights within the EU. WN has no plans to go to Europe at this time. My post was reguards to US citizens and not the EU , Asia or South America.