gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16309 posts, RR: 87 Posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12304 times:
So, ladies and gents (mostly gents I'm sure), with the schedule upload tomorrow (Sat, Aug 25) the largest number of sUA and sCO redeployments will occur since the merger.
United now has a very flexible fleet - and you may say the difference between an A320 and 737-800 is small, but across a whole fleet and a bunch of flights those extra (or fewer) seats add up. Also the performance characteristics of the planes will be matched to routes - A320s deployed where a non-SFP 738 couldn't take off, 73Gs on those long long flights, things of that nature.
So as you note these schedule changes, lets keep them here. Things I know will be happening:
SFO - going to be a big 739ER recipient
IAH - going to get all those A320s from SFO
gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16309 posts, RR: 87 Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12275 times:
I understand, from what I understand, that SFO is going to be sending A320s and getting 739ERs in return since there's no such thing as a lightly loaded mainline flight to SFO.
Basically as I understand it, IAH is not filling its 738s or 9s consistently - and the routes that DO will be getting 757s. So a lot of A320s to IAH to right size those flights, and a lot of 737s to DEN and SFO to backfill the A320s and 757s.
Using Cobra/Shares on the 737's and having to follow what the CO loadplanners want is a major pain in the butt for those guys so it is a "nightmare" for them. On the sUA aircraft, it is lead discretion on how the plane is loaded.
Leads want the same flexibility when loading a sCO aircraft as if it was a sUA aircraft.
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gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16309 posts, RR: 87 Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 12049 times:
Its not the entire fleet, as you pointed out. There will be a lot of crossover.
To make you happy: in a lot of cases the 737 fleet is too small. IAH will be getting a LOT of 757s from the SA)">UA side.
But the A320 fleet is better suited to a lot of the IAH flying. It has an onboard IFE system that isn't satellite, so its best used to those Mexican and Caribbean and northern SA destinations.
Also, IAH is unencumbered. They can add flights there all day. 5 A320 trips exchanged for a few 737s that would be very key in the SFO long-haul domestic network. Most flights from IAH are shorter than most flights from DEN or SFO.
It makes sense. I promise. It works out in the wash.
The 737 Captains I know are not moving bases that I have heard.
Quoting gigneil (Reply 2): Basically as I understand it, IAH is not filling its 738s or 9s consistently
That is an interesting comment, since every B738 or 9 that I've been on in the last 10 years from IAH has been either full or just about full, and the guys I know who fly them say the same thing. I know I'm not on every flight nor are they, but what's your source?
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cosyr From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 312 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11633 times:
What is the effect on the 737's at DEN altitude. I know UA got the IAE engines primarily for the extra trust from DEN (same with HP in PHX for heat, which I suppose effects IAH, but not an issue due to humidity). Obviously 737's can fly DEN, as CO flew them there as long as they've had them, but does it not make sense to keep more of your high trust engines in your one hub that is most in need of thrust?
gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16309 posts, RR: 87 Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11408 times:
I don't know a whole lot about crossfleeting to DEN yet - but DEN was one of the hardest hit by the retirement of the 737 fleet originally. I guess it all depends on what they can make work.
UA got IAE engines because they would never purchase another GE product. That's clearly changed. But the A319s are the ones with the thrusty engines - the A320s have the standard 27k.
Back in ye olde day, DEN and ORD were the ones with the 737 fleet, and plenty of runway and a relatively mid-Continent location means DEN will likely get a 738 even as far afield as BOS with a completely full load. I don't see a big problem.
777ord From United States of America, joined May 2010, 427 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11077 times:
Quoting DualQual (Reply 22): sCO 737 pilot bases open in DEN and ORD with some expansion in LAX
beat me to it! Those bases become "live" the start of the SEPTEMBER Bid period. Sure, it brought down coverage in our main hubs, but it will make the long term affect of turning, delays, recrews way easier.
Just one more step in integrating this airline. Expect more to follow for bases.
25 VC10er: What about widebodies? When will we see 3 class sUA aircraft start to move from IAD, SFO to other hubs like IAH and EWR. I believe there are 2, 3 clas
26 warreng24: I'm looking at the schedule on united.com right now (8/25) and I don't see any additional aircraft changes that weren't already previously loaded. Any
27 STT757: Any examples yet? I found this which looked interesting, nice bump in capacity. IAH-SAN 2 A320, 1 737-800, 3 757
28 kgaiflyer: Yeah -- I fly sCO and sUA about 50-50 (93 segments so far this year) and notice that neither subsidiary has empty seats lying around. On what route a
29 T5towbar: It's a pain for everybody on both sides. It's because the way the sCO plans the load, especially with the 900 and the tail tip. It's loading in rever
30 tommy767: 9/13/12 for instance: EWR-MIA: 3x sUA 757, 1x sCO 739 A definite bump in capacity.
31 ANITIX87: Damnit. I fly to MIA allllllll the time, and I intentionally take UA1086 because it's a PMCO 757. I don't love the 737s. TIS
32 tommy767: I flew EWR-MIA on UA this past April on a sUA version. Other than the pissed off crew and a delay, it was a great ride. Enjoy them out of EWR as they
33 gigneil: Its beyond our ability to understand the yield management system. I doubt there are a ton of seats flying empty. I am betting that its a ratio of whi
34 spiritair97: I don't think sUA's T7s have the legs to do EWR/IAD-Asia. On a side note, will PVD be seeing 737s replacing a319s and a320s to ORD?
35 United: ... except that they do it every day from IAD UA976 IAD-DXB (7069 mi) UA897 IAD-PEK (6921 mi) UA803 IAD-NRT (6753 mi) UA982 IAD-KWI (6575 mi) Maybe y
36 mpdpilot: they surely do. I think what you are thinking about are the few 777-200 (Non-ER) models that UA has. But I asure they have quite a few ERs as well th
37 VC10er: Thanks, I fly to IAD or ORD from EWR to get GF on a 777 or 747. I wish they had an sUA 3 class bird from EWR to at least NRT and HKG! With the new me
38 AUSisAwesome: Looking at flight schedules, a lot of EWR-Texas flights (primarily AUS, DFW, SAT) have gotten 320s and 319s. Don't know where the 738's and 9's are go
39 tommy767: The cross fleeting can be so random. I don't know how they schedule it. One day in september EWR-DFW is all 737s, the next day 2-3 A32S