wnflyguy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 364 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8785 times:
OK it's time for predictions about Monday's schedule release.
Mine are DCA flying FL dropping 2 MKE and 1 MCO flights.
WN using these 3 slots to ADD 3 MDW flights.
8am( 737-800) ,1145am( 737-700) 6pm(737-800).
DAY getting a daily BWI flight.
CAK getting a daily BWI flight.
MEM getting a daily HOU flight.
Enjoy wnfg
my post are my opinion only and not those of southwest airlines.
SurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2588 posts, RR: 31 Reply 1, posted (9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8741 times:
Well, we already know they're going to BKG in some fashion. Assuming the airport sticks to its rule of one airline per route, they won't be serving DEN unless BKG decides to screw over F9 in favor of WN (I doubt they would burn a partner that has been willing to try several routes, like PHX, AUS, MKE, etc.). They'll probably serve BWI, MDW, and HOU as FL did this past year, in spite of a weak brand presence and lack of WN FF access and hub feed, maybe MCO, AUS, DAL, BNA, MSP, and/or PHX too. These are all places that BKG has bought service to in the past. All depends on how much $$ the airport wants to throw at WN!
I'm going to guess that WN assumes all remaining FL MKE ops, with the exceptions of MKE-ATL and MKE-CUN (if they even still fly that one). That means we'll see WN metal flying MKE-RSW and MKE-DCA for the first time, along with additional frequencies to several existing WN routes from MKE. Maybe they'll even throw in a surprise like MKE-BNA or MKE-HOU.
I bet we will see MDW-DCA start with slots currently used for redundant ATL-DCA and MKE-DCA services. I doubt they'll maintain DCA-MCO, so that slot will probably go to MDW-DCA too. I wouldn't be surprised to see MDW-DAY begin as well, and perhaps also DEN-DSM. Maybe CAK/DAY-BWI as well. All a matter of connecting the dots that will most likely happen sooner or later.
WN probably won't assume or add much more at ATL before the FL code share begins, so as not to destroy the value and viability of the current operation there. Perhaps they will partially or fully convert remaining domestic FL stations not connected to ATL, like GRR and PWM. Or who knows, they could always throw unexpected curve balls our way like they did with ONT-RNO....
Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
I'm gonna say for RDU, nothing... Seems to be theme going on...
WN's "theme" is to integrate a couple dozen FL stations into the WN network. RDU is already in the WN network. RDU will undoubtedly get some more LUV in the future, but WN has bigger issues to deal with now.
usdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 756 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8529 times:
Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter): OK it's time for predictions about Monday's schedule release.
Mine are DCA flying FL dropping 2 MKE and 1 MCO flights.
WN using these 3 slots to ADD 3 MDW flights.
8am( 737-800) ,1145am( 737-700) 6pm(737-800).
DAY getting a daily BWI flight.
CAK getting a daily BWI flight.
MEM getting a daily HOU flight.
Enjoy wnfg
Curious to see what MEM-HOU would do to UA/DL MEM-IAH flying. I see a 737 in that market as almost too much capacity, but maybe connecting passengers would help fill it. I guess WN itself needs to start flying from MEM to somewhere in Texas one of these decades, and now that NW is out of the picture and DL does not seem to care about MEM, it may finally be time.
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4721 posts, RR: 15 Reply 6, posted (9 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8200 times:
As mentioned on another thread, Monday also sees an announcement in MSY. Maybe there's a connection between this thread and that one?
I'd like to think positively about what we might see from WN on Monday but honestly I think it will be mostly the continuation of the same as we've seen lately -- integration/conversion of FL into WN, return of some more of the "seasonal" markets, plus (of course) more DEN-growth. Big whoop...
That would be interesting. We have a BWI flight on FL currently. Are you saying it would be a second flight, or a one-one swap just going on WN metal now?
OzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4682 posts, RR: 23 Reply 12, posted (9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7882 times:
Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 11): As an intermediate stop between DAL & MDW, BKG lines up perfectly.
MDW-BKG-DAL
LoneStarMike
Great idea (I've had that one myself), there's probably a few more routes that could line up like that (DEN-BKG-ATL, BWI-BKG-PHX) that could get the BKG station up to 8-10 daily departures, tho the MDW-BKG-DAL has the added attraction of skirting the WA till 2014.
boeing71234567 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 55 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7721 times:
BDL - HOU 1x
BDL - PHX 1x
Only Southwest flight out of the northeast to these destinations is out of Boston. United used to fly to Houston from BDL, and US Airways to Phoenix from BDL. Still a very good marked for this type of service.
FWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3179 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (9 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7584 times:
Another one: IND continuing the transition to an all-WN station. MCO and TPA are now served by both WN and FL, and could very well be the first IND overlap routes to switch over to all-WN service. ATL probably won't change until the codeshare is in place, which means that RSW and FLL could change from FL to WN before ATL.
One has to wonder: if IND-MCO/TPA go all-WN with the corresponding higher fares that WN charges over FL, will G4 get a boost at FWA?
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 1): I wouldn't be surprised to see MDW-DAY begin as well
IND-MDW is being discontinued on 11/3, and DAY-MDW is only slightly longer in length.
iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 7 Reply 16, posted (9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7466 times:
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Quoting wnflyguy (Thread starter): Mine are DCA flying FL dropping 2 MKE and 1 MCO flights.
WN using these 3 slots to ADD 3 MDW flights.
8am( 737-800) ,1145am( 737-700) 6pm(737-800)
Makes sense, especially considering Chicago is the #2 market out of DCA, plus the large amount of connectivity available at MDW.
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 1): Well, we already know they're going to BKG in some fashion. Assuming the airport sticks to its rule of one airline per route, they won't be serving DEN unless BKG decides to screw over F9 in favor of WN (I doubt they would burn a partner that has been willing to try several routes, like PHX, AUS, MKE, etc.). They'll probably serve BWI, MDW, and HOU as FL did this past year, in spite of a weak brand presence and lack of WN FF access and hub feed, maybe MCO, AUS, DAL, BNA, MSP, and/or PHX too. These are all places that BKG has bought service to in the past. All depends on how much $$ the airport wants to throw at WN!
It will certainly be interesting to see how BKG plays out. It seems to me a lot of tourists going to Branson are from the mid-west, but MCI and STL are too close to bother flying.
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 1): I wouldn't be surprised to see MDW-DAY begin as well, and perhaps also DEN-DSM. Maybe CAK/DAY-BWI as well. All a matter of connecting the dots that will most likely happen sooner or later.
MDW-DAY would be one of the shortest routes in the system, although would offer large connectivity.
Quoting planespotting (Reply 7): From what I've heard, I don't expect to see additional freq/destinations out of DSM until 2013.
This schedule release will be for 2013 - MSP-MCI is already announced but won't be starting until February IIRC. DEN is probably my best guess out of DSM as well - it offers great connectivity to PHX and LAS, both popular destinations out of DSM and large WN stations.
Only Southwest flight out of the northeast to these destinations is out of Boston. United used to fly to Houston from BDL, and US Airways to Phoenix from BDL. Still a very good marked for this type of service.
Not entirely correct (depends on your definition of the northeast, but BUF certainly is included):
BUF-PHX
EWR-HOU/PHX
PHL-HOU/PHX
Other than BKG, the following domestic stations are still FL only (I don't expect international stations to be announced yet):
BKG (supposedly will be announced Monday)
ROC
FNT
PWM
RIC
CLT
MEM
PNS
SJU
ICT
GRR
As someone else said, maybe Hawaii will be announced and/or a codeshare. I also expect we'll see some less exciting routes as usual. Personally I would like to see MSP-BWI and DSM-DEN - both reasonable in my opinion.
Only Southwest flight out of the northeast to these destinations is out of Boston. United used to fly to Houston from BDL, and US Airways to Phoenix from BDL. Still a very good marked for this type of service.
Not entirely true. Both HOU and PHX are also served from EWR
wnflyguy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2011, 364 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6812 times:
Hawaii will not be annouced until the FA group passes the current side letter.
I don't see Hawaii flying now until 2014 or even 2015.
Now if a code share is finnally annouced I can see some over lap flying reduced.
And some new FL flying added like
RIC-MDW
ICT-DAL,ICT-DEN
CLT-MDW
GRR-MDW
ROC-MDW
MEM-HOU
PNS-HOU
FNT-MDW
SJU-MDW
Wnfg
my post are my opinion only and not those of southwest airlines.
Only Southwest flight out of the northeast to these destinations is out of Boston. United used to fly to Houston from BDL, and US Airways to Phoenix from BDL. Still a very good marked for this type of service.
Not entirely true. Both HOU and PHX are also served from EWR
Plus, WN does not serve BOS-HOU. EWR-HOU and then PHL-HOU are the most northeast routes out of HOU.
FL already flies DAY-BWI 3x daily...would probably be best for WN to convert those flights immediately. Opens up wonders for additional connections and revenue opportunities.
KDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 155 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6311 times:
Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 21): FL already flies DAY-BWI 3x daily...would probably be best for WN to convert those flights immediately. Opens up wonders for additional connections and revenue opportunities.
Agreed. FL has had a monopoly on this route for some time now. I do not know if there is demand for a fourth flight or not, but it may be possible with the enhanced connections a conversion to WN would bring.
ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4009 posts, RR: 23 Reply 23, posted (9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5777 times:
Quoting flyinryan99 (Reply 21): FL already flies DAY-BWI 3x daily...would probably be best for WN to convert those flights immediately. Opens up wonders for additional connections and revenue opportunities.
Mmhmm. Really it should be anything not going to ATL should be moved to WN as soon as possible. It is going to be better for those markets that can benefit from the WN network overall. Isolating ATL protects the different business model for that network for now until it can be redone to match up with other large WN stations.
Any opinion/comment posted is that of my own and not that of Southwest Airlines Co.
seb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9834 posts, RR: 17 Reply 24, posted (9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5745 times:
How about seasonal service to BZN? Something like MDW-BZN-SEA? They are a ski destination and Yellowstone is about an hour away. They might keep that service over the summer?
GO CANUCKS GO!!
25 OzarkD9S: I highly doubt it's going to be a completely new market not currently served by WN or FL, unless it's some new int'l destination. 2013 is going to be
26 Flytravel: It's still over a 5 hour drive from Dayton to Chicago, while Indianapolis is 3 1/2. It should be noted that WN is launching DSM-MDW which is over 5 u
27 F9fan: Are they doing anything with PNS? IIRC, FL has about 3x PNS-ATL, and this would be an easy swap. WN's pattern on the conversion of FL is to convert FL
28 airliner371: Not for a while, AirTran ATL flights are overall not going to change or convert at all until the code share is in place.
29 LV: I keep seeing people on here saying MDW this or MDW that but isn't MDW just about out of capacity?
30 QANTAS747-438: I would not expect any Hawaii announcement. I don't see WN starting up Hawaii until at least OCT/NOV of 2013. That would mean a MAY/JUN 2013 announce
31 JONC777: BKG 3 flights HOU, DAL and MDW schedule is now on southwest.com
32 wnflyguy: DRUM ROLL.... BKG-HOU BKG-MDW BKG-DAL EYW-MSY DAY-MCO that's all I found . Wnfg [Edited 2012-08-27 06:16:04]
33 MSYtristar: MSY-EYW and MSY-EWR. FL is adding a MSY-MCO.
34 WA707atMSP: The route I'd like to see before MSP-BWI is MSP-OMA. As I've said on other WN threads, there isn't a quick way to get from MSP to OMA, and I think th
36 enilria: Weird and I'm not certain the plane can make it that far off that runway in EYW. I guess it is a de facto HOU flight. Does it through to HOU? This is
37 dbo861: You were right again. It looks like WN will only have 2 flights a day at DSM thru spring break next year. I'm curious if they're waiting to see how D
38 erj170: Good for MSY for getting EYW, but I can't begin to fathom how MSY got EYW before BWI... DC metro area has to have a larger amount of traffic to EYW th
39 sdoyon: It all comes down to runway length; EYW's runway is only 4,800 ft long. Makes me wonder if the MSY flights will have some seats blocked off... MSY/AT
40 MSYtristar: It's not really about the local market. The local traffic is just a bonus in this case, though I'm sure it will grow. You can call this flight the Ji
41 wnflyguy: PHL-RDU gone and BWI-EWR gone...looks like ISP -BWI the only Washington New York hold out. With these constant schedule changes I feel like WN is flyi
42 spiritair97: Not only is it incorrect, but isn't PHX-BUF getting a 738 soon? I saw that mentioned in another thread.
43 knope2001: Looks like the combined WN+FL LGA-MKE is decreasing from 5x to 4x. Thought that might mean a new LGA market, but I don't see one. Anybody catch where
44 STT757: New: Gone: This makes more sense, they were probably just filling EWR-BWI with Florida connections, not very competitive with B6's nonstops. This broa
45 sdoyon: By my count, the first weekday in the schedule (3-11-13) has the following: ATL: 8x BNA: 2x CAK: 3x DEN: 2x MDW: 6x MKE: 4x STL: 2x Total: 27x, which
47 gizmonc: What time is the schedule to be released it is 0948 in DALLAS and nothing posted to the SWA media page? Does everyone think it will be loaded in the s
48 enilria: I'm sure on some days they will. Any real crosswind will be death for A/C performance. That's sloppy. It should roundtrip to DAL or HOU to build conn
49 planespotting: I mean the announcement won't come until sometime in 2013. I wouldn't say reluctant to grow - probably just reluctant to bite off more than they can
50 Flytravel: WN might not serve ATL nonstop but could still route pax to ATL via BNA. Service to ATL will pretty much be only for O&D and WN will be up agains
51 spiritair97: Just like they are filling EWR with Florida connections, they are filling LGA with mid-country (ongoing debate as to what to call that region) connec
52 ScottB: EYW-MSY is 3 miles shorter than EYW-ATL. Maybe. There seem to be a good number of markets which can take advantage of the STL connection in one direc
53 AVLAirlineFreq: So BKG will be a 3x/daily market for WN, with the Sat only flight to MCO, correct? Is WN/FL ending the rest of the FL flying? I actually think WN wil
54 airliner371: They added an extra CAK and got rid of one MKE. That's the full portfolio. I'm not, they said they would de hub ATL and turn it into a SWA focus city
55 Flytravel: BNA is just 20 mins more over ATL too. Agreed on the premium for non-stop. I suppose it's not so terrible of a difference as WN has EWR-BWI as a 1 ho
56 enilria: I know. I still say that ATL is filling that need for Florida capacity better than BWI did. There are a ton of MSY-DAL/HOU flights, it shouldn't have
57 MSYtristar: DAL-EYW same plane service is great, but EYW-DAL with a 30 minute connection isn't terrible. Still relatively convenient. In addition, besides the bef
58 knope2001: Oh DUH...thanks, I forgot to check CAK. Didn't see any change to MDW, ATL, STL, etc.
59 ScottB: I think there's a bit too much emphasis on "de-hubbing" ATL when it's likely the intent is to end the banked hub structure; they're still going to co
60 Flytravel: It won't be a major loss in that way (for Pitt travelers into NYC or vice versa since there many nonstops). But the loss would be to BWI, in its role
61 OzarkD9S: BWI has only had the EWR flights for what, 2-3 years? And 3 flights a day is hardly a big loss to BWI. I don't have the figures but how much local tr
62 Atrude777: EWR hasn't even been open for that long EWR opened March 27th, 2011 to MDW and STL. BWI was added in June in the 2nd round in 2011. Were you thinking
63 TheGov: Knew this wasn't happening but didn't want to burst someone's bubble. While I'm not hoping it will happen, I suspect WN will pull out of MEM when the
64 gizmonc: HEY THEGOV- Southwest and AirTran already have a SOC. As the FAA/DOT sees them they are one company Southwest/Airtran. That happened about 6 months a
65 smoot4208: Well count me as a happy camper! As a Charlottean I'm glad they are putting CLT off as long as possible. Considering CLT is a very large banking cente
66 PITrules: Considering flying in the wrong direction is done quite routinely to make a connection, I'd say all but 4 of the cities served from BWI are fair game
67 TheGov: Kinda thought I may have been wrong about the SOC. Thanks for the correction, gizmonc. But, I still stand by my previous statement that WN may pull o
68 ScottB: Why is that much of a loss? BWI has only had WN service to NYC for a whopping three years -- but it has been a major connecting station for over a de
69 FlyPNS1: The number of people traveling PIT-BWI-LGA/EWR is miniscule. It will be no loss to WN. BWI produces more origin and destination traffic than either D
70 infiniti329: This makes more sense, they were probably just filling EWR-BWI with Florida connections, not very competitive with B6's nonstops. This broadens their
71 infiniti329: I see a DAL- LGA flight to begin with. after the wright amendment is officially in the trash... Before anyone cries perimeter rules DAL- LGA is only
72 airliner371: Don't want to turn this into a Love Field thread but I completely agree. I could also see alot of the small cities connected to Love Field today move
73 wnflyguy: I agree DAL and inter Texas flying going to take a Hit once the WA dies 2014. I see markets like DAL-HOU going down from 24 flts a day to like 15. Bec
74 alggag: Not to stray too far off topic but as a HOU based Southwest flyer it will be really awkward to connect through DAL to actually get somewhere far away
75 usflyguy: I think HOU will maintain it's route network for the most part. I'd say that AMA, MAF, LBB, OKC, ABQ, ELP, LIT, MCI, and STL are at much more risk tha
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