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Peoria May Get Mexico, Caribbean Flights  
User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 434 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4163 times:

It was announced Thursday (Aug. 23) Peoria, Ill. might get Mexico and Caribbean flights in the near future.

http://www.pjstar.com/news/x10551700...t-discussing-international-flights

I have little doubt that Allegiant Air is the unnamed airline that has approached PIA about this. A facility may be ready in six months and a permanent, 14,000 sq. ft. facility could be built in two years.

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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4135 times:

F9, G4, SY charters maybe?


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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4129 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 1):

Those would be the clear options, out of all of them, my money is on F9.


User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 434 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4094 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 1):
F9, G4, SY charters maybe?
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):
Those would be the clear options, out of all of them, my money is on F9.

My money is on G4. They've told YNG of interest in similar service. Also, PIA's airport director told a local TV station (WMBD-TV31) that "it is a 757 commercial airline." Since neither F9 or SY have 757's...

http://centralillinoisproud.com/fulltext?nxd_id=268322


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3470 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4036 times:

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 3):
My money is on G4

But AFAIK G4 has no Mexico or Caribbean destinations.



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User currently offlinespinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4026 times:

I agree, F9 would be my top guess, as they already serve Mexico.

I think Mexico and the Caribbean would be great for G4 and I'm sure they are considering it, but not yet. When they do finally launch those routes, they won't start from Peoria.


User currently offlineusxguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1017 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4026 times:

Its not G4... Frontier already has a VERY close relationship with Apple Vacations, and Apple is the 'premier' vacation company for Mexico/Caribbean/Hawai'i for the midwest. I don't think Apple would sit back as another airline comes in and siphon off traffic from their Rockford/St. Louis/Chicago flight program.


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5111 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3950 times:

Peoria would be a good locale to start international vacation charters from, plenty of nearby markets to tap (SPI/BMI/MLI/DEC) as well as the tri-county area of PIA itself. I don't see the other airports building an IFS facility, so PIA could get a leg up on that. I remember back in the late 70's or early 80's there were very occasional charters from PIA to and from LGW on L-1011's (forget the operator, maybe ATA) and they "may" have cleared customs there with a temporary IFS station with IFS agents from ORD or somewhere.

Guess we'll see how this pans out.



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3935 times:

It sounds like G4. They are the only American 757 carrier into whose business model this fits.

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

I posted on another thread the other day to watch for international service from Allegiant as one of their next big announcements.

Allegiant has said for several years that international destinations were in the plan.

In a 2008 investor presentation G4 mentioned Cabo, Puerto Vallarta, Cancun, Nassau, the Dominican Republic, and Hawaii as potential future destinations. They started Hawaii this year so I would not be surprised to be one of the others next.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3829 times:

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 3):
My money is on G4. They've told YNG of interest in similar service.

In FWA's recent 2012 master plan, there are plans for an FIS in Phase 2 of the terminal reconfiguration (which should happen 2 to 3 years from now). The master plan says that it would be for international diversions, but I think this has G4's name written all over it.

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 9):
Allegiant has said for several years that international destinations were in the plan.

  



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3808 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 4):
But AFAIK G4 has no Mexico or Caribbean destinations.

True but they do/ used to (are they still working with apple vacations?) operate charters to CUN and are able to fly to the Caribbean



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25292 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3808 times:
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Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 1):
F9, G4, SY charters maybe?

Maybe Sun Country? They do well for Apple Vacations at Lansing.

mariner



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User currently onlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9375 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3639 times:

Oh come on guys, the riddle isn't that hard to figure out!  

Here are your clues-

What air carrier already flying into Peoria would have the clout to say "we'd like to try this" and they jump on the opportunity of getting something going in the coming months?

What air carrier already flying into Peoria is adding to the fleet which will open up a slew of new markets in the next couple of years?

What air carrier already flying into Peoria's management has been very active this year in expressing interest in Caribbean/Mexican destinations?

[Edited 2012-08-25 18:26:05]


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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 13):

Plus it said it wasa 757 carrier. F9 and SY don't operate 757s. G4 does.

Quoting mariner (Reply 12):

See above about 757s


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7595 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3628 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 4):
But AFAIK G4 has no Mexico or Caribbean destinations.

Exactly, I don't think it's G4.

My money is on F9, too.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3756 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3591 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
Exactly, I don't think it's G4.

Just because G4 isn't flying to Mexico and the Caribbean right now doesn't mean that it's not G4. They have been telling airports to prepare for this kind of service for several years now.

At this point, it's not a matter of if but when.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3280 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3505 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 4):
But AFAIK G4 has no Mexico or Caribbean destinations.
Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 3):
it is a 757 commercial airline."
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 9):
They started Hawaii this year so I would not be surprised to be one of the others next.
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 14):
Plus it said it wasa 757 carrier. F9 and SY don't operate 757s. G4 does

G4 has based all 6 757's at HNL, they are not operating anywhere else in the system. G4 hasn't even started all the cities they have announced from Hawaii already, plus nothing else has been announced to OGG xBLI. So there is no way it could be G4, unless they are already giving up on Hawaii, which I doubt. G4 needs time to digest what it's already bitten off.



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User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 434 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 17):
G4 has based all 6 757's at HNL, they are not operating anywhere else in the system. G4 hasn't even started all the cities they have announced from Hawaii already, plus nothing else has been announced to OGG xBLI. So there is no way it could be G4, unless they are already giving up on Hawaii, which I doubt. G4 needs time to digest what it's already bitten off.

That part about 757's may have been a slip of the tongue by PIAs Director of Aviation, or he didn't think the WMBD-TV31 reporter would connect the dots. When they get them, G4 will probably use A-319s for Mexico and Caribbean flights.

While it's entirely possible Apple Vacations is the carrier, G4 looks like a better bet. They've apparently told YNG of similar plans.

http://businessjournaldaily.com/econ...oves-rail-pipeline-study-2012-8-16


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3471 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

G4 (Allegiant) has its hands full trying to make these new Hawaii flights profitable and successful. I would find it bad timing to launch Caribbean and mexico service as well they have enough on their plate. A 757 would be alot of seats i would think a 319/320 would be a better fit for such service anyway

User currently onlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9375 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2533 times:

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 18):
When they get them, G4 will probably use A-319s for Mexico and Caribbean flights.


You're 100% correct.



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User currently offlineCIDFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2310 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2361 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 19):
G4 (Allegiant) has its hands full trying to make these new Hawaii flights profitable and successful. I would find it bad timing to launch Caribbean and mexico service as well they have enough on their plate. A 757 would be alot of seats i would think a 319/320 would be a better fit for such service anyway

keep i mind this is probably a couple years off before they actually start it. I could see CUN being a good spot for a G4 hub. Its accessible from pretty much all of the cities it serves eas of the rockies and is ahuge tourist destination.


User currently offlinemattya9 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2062 times:

If this happens it would be great news for PIA and Central Illinois. There was talk of this when I worked at PIA a few years ago but I think getting the new terminal started, and completed, was priority number 1. Since that is now complete, the airport authority can now focus on this new task.

However, my only question is the cost to build the new facility and how much it will cost (annually) to keep it running. Would the new international service be able to pay for this new customs area? I've heard it's not a cheap operation to run. Plus adding on $6 to $8 million on top the new terminal price of $65 million is a hefty bill to pay.

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User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 434 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 weeks ago) and read 1623 times:

Quoting mattya9 (Reply 22):
However, my only question is the cost to build the new facility and how much it will cost (annually) to keep it running. Would the new international service be able to pay for this new customs area? I've heard it's not a cheap operation to run. Plus adding on $6 to $8 million on top the new terminal price of $65 million is a hefty bill to pay.

One article mentioned an alternative 5,000 sq. ft. facility. I suspect, though, that usage of the temporary facility (former USPS encoding center) will gauge whether to go ahead with a new building.

As for timing, PIA's director said the temporary structure could be in use within six months, so whoever is proposing international service would not start it until sometime in 1Q 2013 at the earliest.


User currently offlinemattya9 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

Would the old USPS building be large enough for customs operations? At only 5,000 square feet that seems rather small, especially if you have a full 757 (200+ pax in G4 standards) worth of passengers. Of course whether you have a 757 or smaller aircraft is another discussion in itself.

But I go back to one of my original questions, hypothetically speaking lets say they are able to use the USPS building, what will be the annual costs with a facility of that size? Then if they do build a bigger facility the costs will just go up. Who's going to pay for that?

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"You can do anything once."
25 FATFlyer : Who said it would be 757s flying at Peoria or any other city to Mexico or the Caribbean? The comment was it was a 757 airline. Allegiant has other ai
26 usxguy : I still circle back around that Apple Vacations has its paws all over this thing. Apple has the ability to use anyone out there, so there's a chance t
27 dlramp4life : Is G4 still working with Apple Vacations? I know they used to run charters out of RFD and GRR to name a few places to CUN..
28 FlyPeoria : The "5,000 sq. ft. building" and old USPS postal encoding center are not the same. The former is an alternative design to the 14,000 sq. ft. proposal
29 FlyPeoria : Frontier Airlines is operating Cancun and Montego Bay flights our of RFD these days.
30 dlramp4life : I see, When did F9 take over the flying? When I was still working G4 operations they had a weekly flight out of RFD
31 FlyPeoria : Not sure, but this coming season might be the first. I forgot to mention that Sunday-only flights to Punta Cana, Dominican Republic starts this winte
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