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Did Eastern Air Lines Have D Concourse ATL Gates?  
User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1979 posts, RR: 9
Posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5860 times:

Looking at this photo,

http://www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42...4404764292/sizes/l/in/photostream/

It shows an Independent Air 707-331B at what looks like an Eastern D concourse gate at ATL in the late '80s.

Did EAL have dedicated D gates at that time?

Click on this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42...4404764292/sizes/o/in/photostream/

To reveal much more detail.


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User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1583 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5854 times:
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I thought they were just in C

User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1979 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5848 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 1):
I thought they were just in C

I know that they were in C and half of B, but.....



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User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1583 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5835 times:
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Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 2):
I know that they were in C and half of B, but.....

Yes you are right---was there not an undergroud tunnell connecting B and C?


User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1979 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5822 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 3):
was there not an undergroud tunnell connecting B and C?

Yes, but that now is being used for baggage transfer (?)



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User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5820 times:

I thought EA did have gates on D at one time--in fact, when Delta's Sky Club opened on D last year, I remember reading that it was formerly an Eastern Ionosphere Club. Is that correct?

User currently offlineBoeing773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 438 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5796 times:

Well, I don't know how much this really helps but in the far right of the photo you can see an EA and part of the Eastern symbol on the jetbridge.

So I don't know if it was just extra branding, but I don't know why EA would have their signs on other gates.



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User currently offlinee38 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5776 times:

When the ATL Mid-field terminal opened, the gate allocation was as follows:
Delta occupied all of Concourse A and half of Concourse B.
Eastern occupied the remaining half of Concourse B and all of Concourse C.
All other airlines (except for international operations) used Concourse D and international ops were at the T gates.

From the photo, my assumption is that Eastern may have had a small operation on the D Concourse (the photo looks like it might be Gate D2 or D4) that could be used for overflow, irregular operations, and/or Charter operations (i.e., lease to Independent Air). As I recall, normal Eastern Air Lines operations were not conducted on the D Concourse.

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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5449 times:

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 5):
I thought EA did have gates on D at one time--in fact, when Delta's Sky Club opened on D last year, I remember reading that it was formerly an Eastern Ionosphere Club. Is that correct?

The Sky Club on C is the old Eastern Ionosphere Club. It was supposed to have opened as a Crown Room back in 2000-2001 but they delayed it several years. Delta's Sky Club on D is on the northern end of D by D-27 and was recently built. Prior to that, the only airline club on D was Continental's (Now a United Club).



Quoting e38 (Reply 7):
From the photo, my assumption is that Eastern may have had a small operation on the D Concourse (the photo looks like it might be Gate D2 or D4) that could be used for overflow, irregular operations, and/or Charter operations (i.e., lease to Independent Air). As I recall, normal Eastern Air Lines operations were not conducted on the D Concourse.

I'm thinking overflow parking as well, as the gates at the end of D-South were capable of handling widebody a/c (That's no more due to the addition of two gates at that end several years ago.) and perhaps Eastern at times did not have enough available widebody gates open on B & C and used the gates on D.


User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5370 times:

I used to fly through ATL a lot back in the early 80's. IIRC there were 2 jetways at the south end of D that had Eastern signs on them. However, I never seen them used. I assume they leased the gates and sub-leased them to other carriers on an on-demand basis.

In the picture the OP linked, I noticed that AMR services is doing the ground handling for Independent Air. I couldn't tell what planes were labeled on the stop marks of the lead-in line. However, there is an erased lead-in line near the #3 engine of the 707 at a sharp angle. It looks like the planes were parked so they could power out of the gate. Maybe these clues will help.  


User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5293 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3509 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 8):
Prior to that, the only airline club on D was Continental's (Now a United Club).

Did AA every have an Admiral's Club on D? I remember when AA had gates 5,7,9, 11 and either 6 or 8, before moving to T in late '94 or early '95. But I can't remember if there was an Admiral's Club.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13702 posts, RR: 61
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3482 times:
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EA had dedicated operations on half of B and all of C. They did not have any dedicated gates on Concourse D.


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User currently onlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8454 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3431 times:
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Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 11):
EA had dedicated operations on half of B and all of C

When Eastern went broke Delta took over the whole of B concourse.


User currently offlineflyingsux From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day ago) and read 3193 times:

Quoting ckfred (Reply 10):
Did AA every have an Admiral's Club on D? I remember when AA had gates 5,7,9, 11 and either 6 or 8, before moving to T in late '94 or early '95. But I can't remember if there was an Admiral's Club.

Yes - The United Club is where the Admiral's Club was in the early 90's.


User currently onlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 843 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 months 1 day ago) and read 3177 times:

A little off topic sorry...

Why were concourses A-D not built in the same length and width? ATL is such a utilitarian, functionally design airport and terminal you would think each of the original concourses would be the same.


User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2009 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 2670 times:

Quoting questions (Reply 14):
A little off topic sorry...

Why were concourses A-D not built in the same length and width? ATL is such a utilitarian, functionally design airport and terminal you would think each of the original concourses would be the same.

A, B, & C are very similar. D is much narrower than the other three. Eastern, as stated above, shared B with Delta and occupied all of C, but never part of D. Delta's use of the D gates began with ASA, and today, they use it for both Connection and mainline flights.


User currently offlinegr8slvrflt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1608 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 2613 times:

At the time the Midfield Terminal opened in 1980, D was occupied primarily by Republic, Piedmont, Braniff, Ozark and USAir. None of these had much connecting traffic. Republic and Piedmont were only recently out of the business of feeding Delta and Eastern. Most of the planes using D had less than 100 seats so there was no need for holding areas as large as those on A, B and C.

User currently offlinewingsofman72 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 2603 times:

I know that EA did have some gates there, but not sure they were not automated. I was with EA IT (such as IT was back then in the late 80's in ATL ), and do not ever remember going to D for anything. I do know that I came in from GSP one day (after a diversion) in '87 and we parked at D, due to the mess from ATL being closed for a while. However I have no idea what gate they might have been.

User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6839 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 months 9 hours ago) and read 2578 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 8):
he Sky Club on C is the old Eastern Ionosphere Club. It was supposed to have opened as a Crown Room back in 2000-2001 but they delayed it several years. Delta's Sky Club on D is on the northern end of D by D-27 and was recently built. Prior to that, the only airline club on D was Continental's (Now a United Club).

I was just at the skyclub in C. It looks brand new!



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User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 940 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 months 8 hours ago) and read 2518 times:

EA did not have any dedicated gates on "D". The original Frontier (FL) had D2 and that is where the photo looks to have been taken although that was when the terminal opened in September 1980. The photo is likely afterwards. Eastern Metro Express operated from a small downstairs at C1 and this is also in the photo with their J31s. I worked for EA and never remember any "D" gates. It is interesting though the photo. Also at one time Piedmont had a small club around gate D27. I do not remember the name of it though?


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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 months 7 hours ago) and read 2464 times:

Quoting gr8slvrflt (Reply 16):
At the time the Midfield Terminal opened in 1980, D was occupied primarily by Republic, Piedmont, Braniff, Ozark and USAir. None of these had much connecting traffic. Republic and Piedmont were only recently out of the business of feeding Delta and Eastern. Most of the planes using D had less than 100 seats so there was no need for holding areas as large as those on A, B and C.

This was also where United and American were supposed to be had they not left ATL prior to Midfield opening. If I recall from some articles I've read that date back to the when the new facility was being designed and constructed, UA and AA pretty much said they weren't going to contribute much $$$ to help build Concourse D (All of the airlines did contribute money to help build their parts of the complex (Eastern's tunnel between B-North and C-North was paid by them and Delta considered a similar tunnel between A-South and B-South, but by the time they considered it, the concrete had been laid and the costs to dig the tunnel went up significantly.). I think they were among the airlines that were not supportive of the Midfield Complex and had hoped that the second airport project would have gone ahead (Some of the carriers with smaller marketshares at ATL were in support of the original proposal to build a second airport essentially to leave the current facility to Delta and Eastern.).

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 18):
It looks brand new!

That's because Delta pretty much gutted the place when they built it. I've seen what it used to look like up until Delta started to turn it into their club room, and it was definitely stuck in the late 1970s.


User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2009 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 months 7 hours ago) and read 2429 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 20):
This was also where United and American were supposed to be had they not left ATL prior to Midfield opening. If I recall from some articles I've read that date back to the when the new facility was being designed and constructed, UA and AA pretty much said they weren't going to contribute much $$$ to help build Concourse D (All of the airlines did contribute money to help build their parts of the complex (Eastern's tunnel between B-North and C-North was paid by them and Delta considered a similar tunnel between A-South and B-South, but by the time they considered it, the concrete had been laid and the costs to dig the tunnel went up significantly.). I think they were among the airlines that were not supportive of the Midfield Complex and had hoped that the second airport project would have gone ahead (Some of the carriers with smaller marketshares at ATL were in support of the original proposal to build a second airport essentially to leave the current facility to Delta and Eastern.).

While United once was Atlanta's third largest trunk carrier, after its purchase of Capital, the middle and late 70's saw the discontinuation of most and then all of their service. But as far as American, I was not aware that American served Atlanta before the mid field terminal was opened, unless you are counting the American aircraft used on the Delta-American interchange flights that operated via Dallas & Ft Worth to the West Coast before Delta was awarded authority to the west coast from DAL and ACF/GSW.

Braniff and National brieflyserved Atlanta in the 1970's and may be the airlines the author was thinking of.


User currently offlineAv8rDAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 463 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 months 7 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

Quoting gr8slvrflt (Reply 16):
At the time the Midfield Terminal opened in 1980, D was occupied primarily by Republic, Piedmont, Braniff, Ozark and USAir. None of these had much connecting traffic. Republic and Piedmont were only recently out of the business of feeding Delta and Eastern. Most of the planes using D had less than 100 seats so there was no need for holding areas as large as those on A, B and C.

And throughout the 90s and early 2000s, TWA and Northwest also went out of D.

I recall taking a TWA DC-9 to STL back in 1997 or so out of D27 or D25. They had an ops office below those gates. Not sure how many other gates TWA occupied, but I believe they had ATL as a focus city for some time.



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User currently offlineglobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 940 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 months 6 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

When TW had the mini-hub in ATL after the demise of EA they operated out of the C Concourse where FL is located although I do not think it was all of the concourse. Kiwi (KP) has a few gates on the other side. US Air did not enter ATL until quite sometime later in the 1980s. OZ did operate next to PI at their gates as well as the daily UP flight to NAS.


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User currently offlinemilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2009 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 months 6 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

Quoting Av8rDAL (Reply 22):
Quoting Av8rDAL (Reply 22):
And throughout the 90s and early 2000s, TWA and Northwest also went out of D.

I recall taking a TWA DC-9 to STL back in 1997 or so out of D27 or D25. They had an ops office below those gates. Not sure how many other gates TWA occupied, but I believe they had ATL as a focus city for some time.

TWA started serving Atlanta from STL in the late 1950's, and then ended service in 1979, but started again in the 80's.. Ozark started service from PIA and MLI in the mid 70's, service that was then moved to STL. I believe at the time of the OZ/TW merger both airlines served Atlanta. TW also had service to JFK that fed their international flights. After the Eastern shutdown, TW built up Atlanta as a focus city, but that didn't last for more than a year or two, and then along came ValuJet and Kiwi.


25 Post contains links deltacto : Summary of United's history in Atlanta: UA pulled out in 1979 and returned in 1984 United Airlines Original Service At Atlanta (by CAMPBELL Apr 18 200
26 srbmod : 1986. Initially service to PIT followed up a few years later with service to PHL. By the time USAir had bought Piedmont, Piedmont had cut their opera
27 DeltaRules : Since we're talking ATL gate history, did ValuJet somehow end up with gates on B or did mainline DL metal operate off C in the late '90s? I seem to re
28 KBJCpilot : When I graduated from Basic Training at Ft. Benning in 1990 my flight back home to MFR was on Eastern out of C Terminal (ATL to PDX and then QX to MFR
29 toltommy : DL grabbed the other half of B as quickly as they could when EA collapsed. Not sure if mainline had migrated out to C by the late 90's.
30 FlyASAGuy2005 : I should be! Delta's renovations to turn it into a SkyClub took close to 5 months. DL never had mainline OPS off of C. In fact, as some ATL engineers
31 Post contains links FlyASAGuy2005 : ATL has been the subject of many threads over the years and this http://www.sunshineskies.net/atlanta.html site almost always comes up. A GREAT resour
32 FlyASAGuy2005 : Now that I think about it, the gate in question with the Eastern logo in the OP's pic is the same gate i'm talking about. DL somehow got the lease on
33 milesrich : All ValuJet Flights operated out of the C concourse. I don't think they ever operated out of D, although when they became AirTran and expanded, they
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