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Irish 12/12: Brakes Released, Power Set, Rolling  
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12472 posts, RR: 37
Posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 32957 times:

Good morning everyone!

As we were above the 240 mark on the last thread, I thought it was time we moved onto our next thread. So here goes.

The civil war (to the extent that any war with FR can be considered civil) between FR and Aer Lingus continues, with FR predictng success and Aer Lingus advising shareholders to hold firm; honestly, I don't know why FR sees any difference on this occasion. We now have EY officially in the mix, saying that it is interested in either FR's or the government's shareholding.

As if to increase EI's corporate blood pressure even more, there's BA's substantial increase on the DUB-LHR route, which is bound to draw quite a lot of business traffic as well; this will initially be to T1, though perhaps a change to T5 might be possible in the future.

The traffic decline of the past few years seems now to have levelled out; where there are continued declines, these appear to be mainly due to other factors, such as the ending of domestic routes (are there any domestic routes left, apart from DUB-KIR?) and lower capacity on some UK routes. And there's more good news, with EK now saying that it will be adding a second daily flight to DUB within 18 mos, depending on available capacity. The first flight appears to be a major success, which is very gratifying and a much needed confidence boost.

So, let's see what Autumn in Irish aviation brings ...

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User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1477 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 32875 times:

Bestwestern said about SNN last thread

"It needs state support, and there is nothing wrong with this."

Well perhaps you are right, but it had plenty of it during the good years, with little enough to show for it, not least hidden subsidy during the enforced years of the stopover, when any Dublin bound passenger had to spend time and money making an unnecessary transit stop TATL.

Now the country, and particularly the non-SNN using taxpayers, are skint. Has that not really registered yet?


User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7152 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 32851 times:

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 1):

Now the country, and particularly the non-SNN using taxpayers, are skint. Has that not really registered yet?

Wow - from being accused of Shannon bashing to being accused of being a shannon fanboi in two posts.... must be a record.

Quite honestly, the government will never close Shannon. Ever. If it cannot be run on a totally commercial basis, which I don't think it can, it needs state support.

The list of what I think could be done with Shannon on the end of the last thread focused on using that infrastructure to develop the region as an aviation centre of excellence in things that don't need passengers, MRO and Leasing. MRO is a labour intensive industry which brings good jobs, and Leasing is a high value, tax strong industry,

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 1):
Now the country, and particularly the non-SNN using taxpayers, are skint. Has that not really registered yet?

Infrastructure is not for now or tomorrow, it is for fifty years.



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7152 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 32843 times:

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
BA's substantial increase on the DUB-LHR route, which is bound to draw quite a lot of business traffic

If BA decide to compete with AF/KL on fares - premium cabin BA fares ex Dublin are sky high in comparison to AF/KL - this could have a secondary effect of damaging the successful CityJet service to CDG.

However, are LH group just going to sit back, and watch feed from Ireland evaporate? Its about time that LH took Dublin seriously and increased their presence in Dublin through increasing frequency and depth of service. The excellent LX service to Dublin needs to increase frequency to make ZRH hub more relevant, and there is room for a SN and OS service too.

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
are there any domestic routes left, apart from DUB-KIR

DUB CFN - but I wonder how that route is performing.



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 32744 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 3):
DUB CFN - but I wonder how that route is performing.

Recently increased to twice daily it seems Flybe have the perfectly sized aircraft for the route, I trust Flybe seen strong numbers to justify the extra service.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 32652 times:

Speaking of SNN . Im wondering if they can ever get back a more substantial mini transit hub like they had back in the days of SU . Even 4-5 flights a day using the pre clearence would be better than nothing. It seems that maybe SNN needs to be let go so it cant have the excuse of DUB holding it back . Then they can re market themselves and try to bring in what they can . Maybe a risky move as it would be boom or bust but they need to be out there everyday trying to get anything they can to keep the airport in operation .

Some photos I found in my archive from the SU days :

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/SNNSU2.jpg
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http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/SNNSU1.jpg

It will be interesting to see the passenger numbers after this Summer especially on TATL.


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 32593 times:
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Quoting bestwestern (Reply 2):
Infrastructure is not for now or tomorrow, it is for fifty years.

Well said bestwestern. I have had this argument with so many people who first accuse the government of not doing enought and then when they do something, it is too big. This by the way does not just apply to Shannon but to T2, the Port Tunnel and so on. By the way, I agree with everything in your last post on the old thread.

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 1):
Now the country, and particularly the non-SNN using taxpayers, are skint. Has that not really registered yet?

How are the non-SNN users "particurarly" skint when compared to the SNN users? From what I recall, those of us who are using SNN are paying a small bit towards a certain T2 and new terminal at ORK every time we fly through there just as much as anyone who is flying through DUB is paying to cover losses at SNN? Point is I think we're all pretty skint at the moment and if you look at the emmigration and unemployment figures, they point in quite the opposite direction.

Quite frankly, I would gladly see my taxes (of which I'm no longer paying in Ireland as I have had to emmigrate) go to propping up SNN, ORK, NOC, paying for T2 at DUB or subsidising broadband, railways, busses, you name it even if it never realises one cent in profit. Certainly much better than being thrown down the crapper into Anglo Irish Bank or propping up insurance companies for losses they made in a different country.

[Edited 2012-08-26 05:49:15]

[Edited 2012-08-26 05:51:52]


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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4636 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 32518 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 2):
Quite honestly, the government will never close Shannon. Ever. If it cannot be run on a totally commercial basis, which I don't think it can, it needs state support.

Quite honestly, the Irish government would be prudent to sell off Shannon, Cork and Dublin airport.

Airports sell for vast amounts of money - EDI had 9 million passengers in 2011 and it was sold in April 2012 for £807 million.

Both Shannon and Cork would clearly go for less than that amount, but Dublin would get substantially more one would assume.

Having the airports owned by the state is an anachronism in this day and age. They should be sold and run as commercial enterprises, solely for profit.

Considering the precarious finances of the state, selling the airports should be on the table as a money earner - why it's not always makes me wonder.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 5):
Im wondering if they can ever get back a more substantial mini transit hub like they had back in the days of SU .

I think this would be unlikely due to the fact that aircraft no longer need to make a stop. That said, if Shannon was in private hands, perhaps they could attract business like this.

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 3):
However, are LH group just going to sit back, and watch feed from Ireland evaporate? Its about time that LH took Dublin seriously and increased their presence in Dublin through increasing frequency and depth of service. The excellent LX service to Dublin needs to increase frequency to make ZRH hub more relevant, and there is room for a SN and OS service too.

You know, for some reason I had forgotten that Swiss served Dublin.

I don't think LH group would have lost a lot of feed with the loss of BMI. I think Star Alliance airlines that serve Heathrow may have lost feed, but LH group? Not so much. It's not like people were flying DUB-LHR-FRA-somewhere else.



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User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 32489 times:

Quoting Jambost (Reply 4):
Recently increased to twice daily it seems Flybe have the perfectly sized aircraft for the route, I trust Flybe seen strong numbers to justify the extra service.

From when I've used it, the morning DUB-CFN leg and the evening CFN-DUB leg are fairly poorly loaded but the opposite direction is often close to full. The ability to day-trip to Dublin (or Donegal for me - seeing as I live beside EIWT but come from Donegal) is a huge advantage so I'd guess the loads/yields are enough one-way to justify carrying pax on the return leg.

BE/Logan seem to be able to extract more traffic from that airport than RE were - Glasgow is now 6 weekly also.

[Edited 2012-08-26 07:24:54]

User currently onlineeicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2163 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 32452 times:

Anyone know what happened the AC flight this morning? From the M50 I could see it parked up on the west apron & it still hasn't departed according to the DUB website.

User currently offlineEI564 From Ireland, joined May 2007, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 32435 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 7):
Having the airports owned by the state is an anachronism in this day and age. They should be sold and run as commercial enterprises, solely for profit.

This was looked at by the McCarthy report. Dublin Airport is too heavily in debt right now. The government wouldn't get enough money from it.

The DAA is (supposedly) run as a commercially enterprise already. It does make profits anyhow.

And public ownership is hardly an anachronism. Plenty airports owned by state or local authorities. Our island status just makes us even more cautious about selling off major pieces of infrastructure. We don't need another Eircom.


User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 29847 times:

Quoting EIDL (Reply 8):

That is very interesting to know.

I am delighted GLA is working out too, a challenging market for Flybe especially in this eco & weather climate! I hope they can improve their loads to stabilise the route to provide more inbound tourists to Donegal. Fair play to FlyBe.

I wonder if the Donegal GAA footy fans booked out the flights in recent days? [off topic, great win for Donegal!]

Has CFN had any other scheduled destinations in the past?



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 29650 times:

Im sure there have been some informal contact with interested parties though !

Government 'has not had any talks' with Etihad over Aer Lingus stake

Minister for Transport Leo Varadkar has said the Government has not had negotiations with Etihad Airways on the possible sale of the State’s 25 per cent stake in Aer Lingus.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2012/0827/1224323031976.html

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Siptu airport workers set to strike

MINISTER for Transport Leo Varadkar has urged Siptu workers at Dublin Airport not to engage in planned industrial action next month.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...eland/2012/0827/1224323032711.html

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Good news for EI/RE and SEN :

Aer Arann operates all of its services and aircraft under the Aer Lingus Regional brand. The operation carried 105,000 passengers in July, up 40pc compared to July, 2011.

In the year to date, Aer Lingus Regional has carried 551,000 passengers, 32pc more than the previous corresponding period.

http://www.independent.ie/business/e...-boost-for-uk-airport-3209637.html

Its great to see SEN performing so well. Lets hope it continues to do so . Certainly a great alternative to the big three.


User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 28842 times:

Quoting Jambost (Reply 11):
Has CFN had any other scheduled destinations in the past?

Some regular, bookable charters in the past (RTM notably) but I'm not aware of any other scheduled routes.

GLA/PIK always worked due to mass emigration from west Donegal to Scotland, there is a slight chance that MAN or BHX could work on the same basis but its all low-yield traffic.


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 28835 times:
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Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):
Its great to see SEN performing so well. Lets hope it continues to do so . Certainly a great alternative to the big three.

It certainly seems to be and with the current owneship structure at both SEN and RE it really suits both parties to have what so far has been a successful route. I wonder if EIR services at SEN continue to be successful and more importantly, helps develop the brand awareness that EI lacked in their failed LGW attempt, could we see mainline services at SEN? EI very much have a bit of an advantage at SEN considering it is largely free of competition at the moment. I can't see BA or VS being particurarly interested in it. As for U2 and FR, well, we all know that they are capable of ruining airports for everyone else.



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User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 28577 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 14):

Easyjet have a 3 aircraft base that's performing well so far. I'm sure they'll defend it staunchly if EI mainline were to come knocking.



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User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 28546 times:

Quoting EIDL (Reply 13):
there is a slight chance that MAN or BHX could work on the same basis but its all low-yield traffic.

I doubt Flybe will be in any hurry to attempt these routes, but I hope an attempt is made to confirm if the routes work.

I fear that NOC , LDY & BFS are just too close to make the likes of MAN and BHX work, but I hope my instincts are wrong! Could such routes succeed using 15-20 seater aircraft or is that just beyond comfort limits to passengers?



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User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 28387 times:

Quoting Jambost (Reply 16):
Could such routes succeed using 15-20 seater aircraft or is that just beyond comfort limits to passengers?

Something like a Beech 1900 might be acceptable - on the basis that it looks like a "proper" plane still (moreso than the S360s that used to do DUB-CFN!). Interior isn't terrible either.

Problem is - there's only a few airlines that'd be likely to try run a route like that and none of them have suitable craft and you can't buy them new.


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 28358 times:

Quoting Jambost (Reply 16):

Are those "flyBe" services not Loganair services, in reality? I'm not entirely sure who the commercial responsibly likes with, but I think it is Logan, how routes flow to/from flyBe (UK) to Longan and vice-versa I don't know, if it even happens at all?

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 14):

It's an interesting point, I think DUB-SEN might happen someday, although AT7s would need to be operating the route multiple times daily for that to happen, IMHO. The obvious candidates would be early morning and late evening, but there would be a lot of competition within the network for aircraft at those times, I would guess.

Interestingly, it has been speculated that the new LHR-MAN route that VS is launching may be operated by EI. Now that would be an interesting turn and lend some credibility to EIs ambition for LHR-EDI flights. Mind you, even as VS services I think these flights have a limited future, unless First seriously drop the ball with their new West coast train franchises - but even this would surely be a temporary advantage. MAN-LHR is no dissimilar to ORK-DUB I suppose, in that improvements in infrastructure and increased air tax and security checks have rendered the flight inconvenient and uncomeditive.



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User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1836 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 28338 times:
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Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 18):
Interestingly, it has been speculated that the new LHR-MAN route that VS is launching may be operated by EI.

Well VS would need a franchise operator to run the service for them. However on another note haven't both VS and EI indicated interest in the ex bmi/BA domestic slots out of LHR. Wonder how that deal would work out.

I can't really see EI operating on behalf of VS. Unless EI get a great deal they would not want to reduce their own services by taking an aircraft away from their own network.


User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 28289 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 19):
I can't really see EI operating on behalf of VS. Unless EI get a great deal they would not want to reduce their own services by taking an aircraft away from their own network.

The reduction in services from the BFS-BHD move should free up enough capacity I would have thought?


User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 28081 times:

Quoting EIDL (Reply 17):
Something like a Beech 1900 might be acceptable

If it was not for the Manx2 disaster, I wonder if they would have expanded more into the Irish regional market?

Could EIR be considering reestablishing ORK - BHD? RE dropped the route insisting it was due to aircraft unavailability.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 18):
Are those "flyBe" services not Loganair services, in reality?

I hate to sound like a moron like times before, but your right. It seems that Loganair has adapted to Flybe's franchise, I actually thought Flybe took them over.

When did Loganair withdraw from LDY? Was it shortly before they commenced CFN operations? If so a nice move to escape FR to acquire an untapped [hopefully stable] market for themselves.



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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 27854 times:
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Quoting Jambost (Reply 16):
Easyjet have a 3 aircraft base that's performing well so far. I'm sure they'll defend it staunchly if EI mainline were to come knocking.

True but there is a nice cosy arrangement between EI, RE and the Stobart Group who own SEN so there is plenty of scope for EI to make alot more of SEN if the demand is shown to exist and by all accounts, things have started off very well. EI can of course also offer something that U2 cannot which is connections to long haul services. If EI mainline were to come to SEN they would stand a much better chance of competing with U2 than they had at LGW.



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User currently offlinecc2314 From Ireland, joined Jan 2008, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 27724 times:

Does anyone have any info on the charter flights operating into DUB this weekend to support the navu vs notre dame match?

User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1836 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 27690 times:
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From Boards.ie:

2 x World MD-11's due @ 1000 and 1100 on Friday 31th Aug and departing at 1600 and 1700 on Sunday 01 Sep

Air Atlas 747-400 due Thursday morning @ 0500 and departing later on @ 1700.
Returns on Saturday at 1700 and departs Sunday morning.

Miami Air 737-800 in at 1100 out at 1200 on the Thursday.
again at 0930 and 1100 on the Sunday.

EI are operating a couple of extra flights for the event: EI-7118 IAD-DUB, EI-7122 ORD-DUB,
I have been told that both are in Thursday morning. Not sure of the return journey.

Also....USS fort mchenry is docking this weekend.


User currently offlineaerlingusa330 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 27822 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 24):
EI are operating a couple of extra flights for the event: EI-7118 IAD-DUB, EI-7122 ORD-DUB,
I have been told that both are in Thursday morning. Not sure of the return journey.

So I assume these are A330's? Perhaps EI is using this as an opportunity to get one of the MAD A330's to DUB for maintenance or a rotation.



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User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1836 posts, RR: 2
Reply 26, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 27340 times:
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Just heard on Newstalk.ie that the EU have decided to move to a Phase 2 investigation of the FR takeover bid for EI. So the saga gets extended by another few months.

So rather surprisingly the door has not been shut in the face of FR. I wonder what concessions FR are willing to make towards anti-monopoly requests.

My fear is that FR would be willing to gut EI shorthaul to satisfy these requests, thus leading to an effective monopoly on flights ex-Ireland by FR. Regardless of how many of the "host" of airlines contacted by FR actually start routes, I can't see this offering the same competition/options to FR that EI currently offer. (this works vice-versa, FR offer options against the EI shorthaul route network)

EDIT: found link to announcement-
http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleases...&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en

"The Commission's preliminary investigation into the proposed takeover, which takes the form of a public offer, indicated potential competition concerns. Ryanair and Aer Lingus are the main operators out of Dublin airport. On a large number of European routes, mainly out of Ireland, the two airlines are each other's closest competitors and barriers to entry appear to be high. Many of these routes are currently only served by the two airlines. The takeover could therefore lead to the elimination of actual and potential competition on a large number of these routes.

The Commission will now investigate the proposed merger in-depth to determine whether these initial concerns are confirmed or not. The opening of this in-depth inquiry does not prejudge the result of the investigation. The Commission now has 90 working days, until 14 January 2013, to take a decision on whether the proposed transaction would significantly impede effective competition in the European Economic Area (EEA)."

[Edited 2012-08-29 03:58:57]

On a related point:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2012/0828/1224323095760.html
"Ryanair has approached Air France-KLM, easyJet, Etihad Airways, Flybe, International Airlines Group and Virgin Atlantic, asking them to consider providing competition on routes to and from Dublin where the two Irish carriers are the leading or only providers."


[Edited 2012-08-29 04:02:50]

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 27, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 27456 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 26):
My fear is that FR would be willing to gut EI shorthaul to satisfy these requests, thus leading to an effective monopoly on flights ex-Ireland by FR. Regardless of how many of the "host" of airlines contacted by FR actually start routes, I can't see this offering the same competition/options to FR that EI currently offer. (this works vice-versa, FR offer options against the EI shorthaul route network)

Cant see this going ahead and they probably just want to make sure they cant be accused of not making a fair decision. If this was allowed to go ahead then the commission is not fit for purpose and double standards.

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Some interesting comments from TC :

''Clark even joked that if he could get a “runway extension” for Cork Airport, he’d put a flight in there given that he has a house in Lismore. About 40 per cent of the passengers leaving Dublin are hopping off in Dubai. The rest are using the Emirates hub to fly onwards to Australia and New Zealand, and parts of Africa and Asia. “We are opening up Adelaide in a couple of months,” he says. “That will be our fifth point in Australia. We are the biggest [overseas] player, apart from Singapore Airlines, in Australia.”

Ironically, given that we are in the depths of the worst recession in memory, Emirates offers a first-class cabin on its Dublin flights, in addition to business and economy.

Clark said Ireland, Spain and Greece are among its best performers in Europe. Go figure.''

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2012/0822/1224322659157.html


User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (2 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 27244 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 27):
''Clark even joked that if he could get a “runway extension” for Cork Airport, he’d put a flight in there given that he has a house in Lismore.

Very amusing!

Could that be a hint that EK are sniffing around to serve a second Irish airport? I imagine EK would like to beat EY to it, although the question is which airport would they go for [ SNN/ORK, BFS]? Or both, EY to serve the north and EK to serve south of the Island? I guess in 3-10 years we will find out if any such plans prevail. Exciting topic no matter how extreme the idea seems.



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User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (2 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 27138 times:

Quoting Jambost (Reply 28):

I suspect a ORK could certainly work out on the 332 - get the tarmacers out, lads!

I dont think hints like that are dropped for no reason, but i'm sure if it's serious for the short term, they'll have been onto the CAA. I'd imagine it certainly features in their long term plans.



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User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 14
Reply 30, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 26594 times:

Lufthansa will return to Knock with their Dusseldorf service next summer, already on sale with its Saturday flight. Great news for Knock!

https://twitter.com/Irelandwest/status/240864869451177984

Would love to see a Cork service from Lufthansa.

Shamrock350


User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 26116 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 30):


Congratulations to NOC and LH long may it continue!

Personally I hope they are looking at BHD as well as ORK  



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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 32, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 26104 times:
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Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 30):
Lufthansa will return to Knock with their Dusseldorf service next summer, already on sale with its Saturday flight. Great news for Knock!

Great news for NOC! Who would have thought NOC would ever attract a carrier like LH? Take note new SAA. Miracles do happen but you have to go out and make them happen. Don't just wait for them to fall into your lap. It has taken NOC over 20 years to get to a stage where they can do this so ye're well behind the possy.

Quoting Jambost (Reply 28):
Could that be a hint that EK are sniffing around to serve a second Irish airport? I imagine EK would like to beat EY to it, although the question is which airport would they go for [ SNN/ORK, BFS]? Or both, EY to serve the north and EK to serve south of the Island? I guess in 3-10 years we will find out if any such plans prevail. Exciting topic no matter how extreme the idea seems.

I would say it is unlikely thay EK are contemplating a second Irish airport but never say never and certainly is an interesting topic. If recally that EY hinted of possible future services to ORK or SNN way back when they first came to DUB but those were different times before we knew what sorry state the country really was headed for. Still, lots of Irish in Australia looking for convenient ways home and there are no shortage of people from the "Whest" out here. I would imagine EK (or EY for that matter) would see BFS and DUB being quite close and would be reluctant to compete with themselves. ORK obviously has the better population catchement but there are difficulties with getting widebodies in and out of that runway and I would imagine that EK/EY would insist on an airbridge (not that there isn't one available but it never seems to be used). SNN on the other hand has not got as good a catchement on its doorstep but it does have the facilities and it does have the advantage in that it is more centrally located and could draw passengers from both Cork and Galway as well as its own immediate catchement. It also in spite it its many pitfalls and problems it has proven that it can sustain long haul services provided they are targeted to the right markets and the right aircraft is available.

[Edited 2012-08-31 03:18:50]


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User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 777 posts, RR: 9
Reply 33, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 25714 times:

I noticed UA are operating 3 flights this Saturday from DUB, UA 23 to EWR, UA 67 to EWR and UA 123 to IAD. How long have they been operating 3 flights for or is this just a one off on accounts of the match over the weekend?


Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 25656 times:

Quoting EIRules (Reply 33):
I noticed UA are operating 3 flights this Saturday from DUB, UA 23 to EWR, UA 67 to EWR and UA 123 to IAD. How long have they been operating 3 flights for or is this just a one off on accounts of the match over the weekend?

The extra UA67 is operating through until sept 5th - and is full up every day til then along with the regular UA23!

EI operate an extra JFK on sunday - which, along with their regular JFK's, is also completely sold out.

In fact, getting a seat on anything out of Dublin to the US is impossible for the next few days.

Methinks we should do this every year......  



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User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1836 posts, RR: 2
Reply 35, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 25613 times:
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Quoting pesit4a (Reply 34):
In fact, getting a seat on anything out of Dublin to the US is impossible for the next few days.

Methinks we should do this every year......

I'm with you on that idea......great boost for irish tourism if even 20% of those short term trippers return.


User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 25598 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 35):

Any other sports we could steal and claim as our own or establish a link to, no matter how tenuous?

 



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User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 25362 times:

Quoting pesit4a (Reply 34):
EI operate an extra JFK on sunday - which, along with their regular JFK's, is also completely sold out.

In fact, getting a seat on anything out of Dublin to the US is impossible for the next few days.

Has SNN or BFS seen a surge in demand? I hope inbound tourists realise two other airports can provide them with an easy alternative to access Dublin.

[Edited 2012-09-01 05:13:01]


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User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 25141 times:

Quoting Jambost (Reply 37):

I dont know, but i'll sure check for you when I get near a GDS!

On another note, anyone know what Air China are doing in town?

One of their A330's is parked up on Pier D northside at the moment?



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User currently offlineEI320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 1437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 25067 times:

A trip report that was recently uploaded gave an excellent account of EK's DUB-DXB service. The entire service offering onboard seemed quite impressive but perhaps the aspect of the service that particularly stood out for me was the exceptional quality of the Economy Class Catering.





(Pictures courtesy of lukeyboy95)

The main meal was described as "a glorious occasion with delicious food, excellent presentation and real, metal cutlery - most impressive"

This catering is provided by none other than EI.

Now lets take a look at the "culinary experience" that one can look forward to on an EI service:

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d55/ClassicLover/Aer%20Lingus%20Business%20Class/P1040546.jpg

(Uploaded by ClassicLover)

"Great Care"? I'm not seeing much of it here to be honest.

There's a marked difference between the two offerings. Almost hard to believe that both meals were prepared in the same flight kitchen.

I think we'd all agree that EI's hard product on long-haul has improved considerably in recent years whilst the soft product has been largely neglected. An enhanced meal service (similar to the meals they provide EK with) would firmly place EI's onboard offering as the best between Ireland and the US. Any thoughts?


User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 25028 times:

Quoting EI320 (Reply 39):
I think we'd all agree that EI's hard product on long-haul has improved considerably in recent years whilst the soft product has been largely neglected. An enhanced meal service (similar to the meals they provide EK with) would firmly place EI's onboard offering as the best between Ireland and the US. Any thoughts?

I agree. This is the stuff economy class pax notice and value on long haul.

IFE? Has to have variety
Food? Were we fed well, or did it look and taste cheap.

People accept the seat is not going to win any awards for comfort - its Y class. But those two are the vital ingredients IMHO and will make up for other shortcomings.

EI are perfectly capable of dishing up very good food. The catering in J is regarded as excellent.



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User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 25031 times:

Quoting Jambost (Reply 37):
Has SNN or BFS seen a surge in demand? I hope inbound tourists realise two other airports can provide them with an easy alternative to access Dublin.

For tomorrow,

BFSEWR is full in Y but with decent availability in J.

SNNEWR still has a handful of seats in Y, and a handful in J.

SNNJFK on EI is sold out, while DL to JFK has a few seats left in J.

So decent loadings, but not really out of the ordinary for a Sunday in the high season.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 42, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 24749 times:

Quoting EI320 (Reply 39):
The entire service offering onboard seemed quite impressive but perhaps the aspect of the service that particularly stood out for me was the exceptional quality of the Economy Class Catering.

Indeed and hopefully Aer Lingus will start to offer the paid for meal upgrade. Not an ideal situation as EK offers this as standard without any supplement but I think its the only way we will see an upgraded offering in Y on EI.

Personally I dont mind paying an extra EUR20-25 for a decent upgraded meal if I was ever flying Y on TATL rather than standard slop.

AF seem to have a decent ''add on'' offering :



User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 24519 times:

Quoting pesit4a (Reply 41):

Thanks mate I much appreciate your effort providing such info   , delighted to see healthy loads from both BFS and SNN.

Quoting EI320 (Reply 39):

From my experience EK destroys the stereotype reputation of economy class airline food.
Congratulations to EK to provide DUB with such a service and to Lukeyboy95 with his excellent photography!

I hope EI can improve to match EK's standards but to be honest I do not see it happening. Prove me wrong EI!

Also links to my EK experience:

EK&I, To Carry Me Home Part 1 (by Jambost Jun 30 2012 in Trip Reports)

EK/I To Carry Me Home Part 2 (by Jambost Jul 4 2012 in Trip Reports)



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User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 24320 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 42):
Personally I dont mind paying an extra EUR20-25 for a decent upgraded meal if I was ever flying Y on TATL rather than standard slop.

AF seem to have a decent ''add on'' offering :

The catering in AF Y on long haul is already very good - but in a nation of Gourmands, i'd imagine the new premium meals will be a good revenue source.

EI need to improve presentation a bit and it would work wonders.

Quoting Jambost (Reply 43):
Thanks mate I much appreciate your effort providing such info   , delighted to see healthy loads from both BFS and SNN.

No problem!  



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User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 24124 times:

Leo Varadkar on Newstalk breakfast this morning stated that new routes to Canada and Russia are to be announced "shortly".

Guessing EI to YYZ as we thought, and SU to Moscow?



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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 24080 times:

Quoting pesit4a (Reply 45):
Guessing EI to YYZ as we thought

My money would be on this new Air Canada longhaul LCC replacing the mainline operation in 2013.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 47, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 23953 times:

Quoting pesit4a (Reply 45):
Guessing EI to YYZ as we thought, and SU to Moscow?

Hoprefully. Since they got government approval last November we were supposed to get a thrice weekly A320 service with SU so would be great to see the goods.

As for Canada that would be a nice link too if it was all year round .  


User currently offlineei2ksea From Ireland, joined Jul 2004, 578 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 23676 times:

Did anyone hear of some larger than normal queue issues this morning in DUB? Seemingly everything was all jammers at 7am!

I arrived in on UA's EWR-SNN flight early this morning for a family wedding. It was quite full, maybe 1 or 2 seats available in Business First and totally full in Y based on checkin seat-map. The vast majority of passengers were elderly Americans on vacation, very very few Irish accents to be heard. Service was very much mediocre. Things have definitely degraded since the good times of CO. Sad to see after quite a few years of me flying this route and I'm at a point where recent small improvements by EI, in my opinion has pushed them above UA. I'll be flying back to BOS on September 23rd from SNN so Im looking forward to that a bit more!



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User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 23675 times:

Quoting ei2ksea (Reply 48):

Flights were very, very busy this morning. All of ours had above average loads this am.

Holidays now over, and all now back to work - the commuting and business travel resumes!



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User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1477 posts, RR: 3
Reply 50, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 23482 times:

Never saw Dublin as empty as on arrival tonight, hardly a soul in t2.
I do agree that united are lowering the standard set by co. Loads good though.


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 51, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 23188 times:
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Quoting dstc47 (Reply 50):
I do agree that united are lowering the standard set by co. Loads good though.

Pity to hear that UA have downgraded the quality of the service on the former CO routes. I flew them quite a few times over the years and without question they had passed EI out at some point particurarly if you were looking to make a connecting flight at EWR. The only complaint I ever had about CO was the food, particurarly out of EWR. Apart from that, always gave them top marks for everything else. Comfortable seats, plenty of room even though the flights were operated by a 757, friendly staff, good IFE, always on time and got some great bargins over the years. Best airfare I ever got was €263 return SNN-EWR-BOS and that was at Thanksgiving! I have never even come close to that before or since.

As for my (admittadly limited) experience of UA, that is a whole other real of unpleasantness. Hard to have a good opinion of an airline that delays you by 7 hours (granted that was more to do with Chicago's often tempermental weather), charges you $50 dollars each time I checked my bags (without any prior reference to this when booking and when you check in three times that adds up) and than subjects you to the horrors of watching Confessions of a Shopaholic three times in less than a week!



Next Flights: 27/06/14 CX 178 MEL-HKG; 28/06/14 CX 830 HKG-JFK; 04/07/14 EI 134 BOS-SNN
User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 14
Reply 52, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 23225 times:

Ryanair have launched a new iPhone App, you can browse fares, timetables and book flights but it will cost you €3 and doesn't yet have mobile check in or much else.

http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ryana...-low-fares-now-available-on-iphone

Wonder if mobile check in was ever considered.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 53, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 23207 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 52):
Ryanair have launched a new iPhone App, you can browse fares, timetables and book flights but it will cost you €3 and doesn't yet have mobile check in or much else.

Its about time they had one . Especially as more and more people are booking flights and hotels from smart phones. Hopefully mobile check in will come soon . Most airlines Apps are free to download so in typical FR style a revenue generator .  


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4636 posts, RR: 23
Reply 54, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 22955 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 52):
Ryanair have launched a new iPhone App, you can browse fares, timetables and book flights but it will cost you €3 and doesn't yet have mobile check in or much else.

I noticed this today as well - you can count me out from paying €3.00  



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User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 22901 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 52):

Ryanair have launched a new iPhone App, you can browse fares, timetables and book flights but it will cost you €3 and doesn't yet have mobile check in or much else.

€3 is a bit steep for an airline app isn't it?! I'll wait to see if mobile check-in is launched before I download it!



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12472 posts, RR: 37
Reply 56, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 22873 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 52):
Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 55):
€3 is a bit steep for an airline app isn't it?! I'll wait to see if mobile check-in is launched before I download it!

Yes, but wait a year or two and they'll probably charge you more for not using it!

Incidentally, I heard from a friend who flew EI J Class; he was very impressed with the service (he was flying to EDI via DUB) and wrote to them, to compliment them and got a very nice reply by post - which also impressed him. Now if they could only apply that across the board!


User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1836 posts, RR: 2
Reply 57, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 22860 times:
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 56):
Incidentally, I heard from a friend who flew EI J Class; he was very impressed with the service (he was flying to EDI via DUB) and wrote to them, to compliment them and got a very nice reply by post - which also impressed him. Now if they could only apply that across the board!

Simple little thing but shows attention to detail. Something EI historically are not great at.


User currently offlineEI1989 From Ireland, joined Dec 2010, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 22704 times:

Just a small question. I flew home on EI from Heathrow on Sunday. It was a codeshare flight with BA and (as I found out collecting my baggage in DUB) UA. Now when the announcements were made pre flight, something along the lines of "this flight operated in conjunction with our codeshare partners BA" was mentioned but absolutely no mention of UA. I have never really heard this before even though I've flown on BA codeshare flights this year. I know it's anecdotal but I'm just curious. How uniform are these announcements by EI? Do they only focus on BA and neglect UA? Does anyone else have any insight?

As an aside, I notice UA are advertising their IAD route quite strongly. Large ads in newspapers as well as a billboards at train stations. Always good to see an airline putting an effort into promoting and marketing a "new" route.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 59, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 22686 times:

Quoting EI1989 (Reply 58):
I have never really heard this before even though I've flown on BA codeshare flights this year. I know it's anecdotal but I'm just curious. How uniform are these announcements by EI? Do they only focus on BA and neglect UA? Does anyone else have any insight?

I have heard the BA partner bit on most of my LHR flights. I have never heard UA being mentioned. Probably the more important partner is BA so thats why its mentioned? Im sure someone can confirm.


User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 22647 times:

I have heard UA as codeshare mentioned on occasion before, generally if they're giving the massive length intro (the one that welcomes GC holders, etc).

I also have some memory of United being announced from BHX once before - but can't find anything about them doing a codeshare on these flights. Either my memory is going or the F/A doing the announcement was a bit confused, I'm not sure which!


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 61, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 22447 times:

Quoting EIDL (Reply 60):
I have heard UA as codeshare mentioned on occasion before, generally if they're giving the massive length intro (the one that welcomes GC holders, etc).

Im wondering if they have a list that shows UA connecting passengers and thus amend the announcement accordingly.

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Ryanair still hopeful of buying Aer Lingus

Budget airline Ryanair reckons it will able to persuade competition authorities that its latest bid for Aer Lingus isn't a cause for concern.

"There are 46 cross-over routes and we will remedy all of them by getting airlines to come to Dublin and take them over," he told a news conference in London. Mr O'Leary's airline launched a €694m (£550m) bid for Aer Lingus in June which the former Irish state carrier has urged its shareholders to reject.

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/...lingus-16206894.html#ixzz25agTjTIh

Sounds like a plan for disaster to me . When those said Airlines decide to pull out and there is no competition then FR would come in with ''rescue'' routes and thus achieve its monopoly goal !

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Belfast International Airport passengers to be randomly body scanned

Non-invasive body scanning for some passengers travelling from Belfast International Airport will begin later this week.

It is being introduced in response to new regulations by the Department for Transport (DfT).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19483017

I guess this is a better solution to the previous ones.

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Chambers want early date for separation of airports

Three mid-west chambers of commerce have made a joint call to the Government to speed up the separation of Shannon Airport from the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA).

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...eland/2012/0905/1224323611685.html

Will certainly be interesting to see how this pans out and how well a seperate SNN will do . Maybe they will all surprise us  


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 62, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 22445 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 61):

Non-invasive body scanning for some passengers travelling from Belfast International Airport will begin later this week.

Noticed it set up in T1 in DUB now too!



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User currently offlineDavecFlyer From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 22408 times:

Hi folks

I don't post very often but I've got a request for some help or insider knowledge if possible.

I'm due to fly DUB - FRA - PHL with LH on Friday morning but they are now reporting a 24 hour strike which means that in all likelihood my flight will get cancelled. LH reservations have told me I can rebook to tomorrow or Saturday or else take my chances on Friday morning. They won't speculate on whether my flight will be cancelled or not and say that they only know shortly in advance which I accept.

Question is, are they likely to rebook pax onto any other airline or will they just try to clear the backlog on LH metal? i.e. I'll end up on Saturday's flight anyway. Anyone at the airport able to comment on what they did yesterday or last Friday?

Given that I'm heading USA way and there are a few flights out of DUB that direct US B757 looks quite appealing (never thought I would say that!!!)

Appreciate any advice or insight...

DaveC



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 64, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 22387 times:

Quoting DavecFlyer (Reply 63):

''Passengers whose flights have been cancelled are entitled to rebook or refund their ticket free of charge.

As a sign of courtesy, all passengers with Lufthansa tickets issued on/before 4 September 2012 for Lufthansa operated flights (even if not cancelled) departing before Saturday, 8 September 2012, 11:59 p.m. are entitled to one rebooking onto alternate flights by Lufthansa, Austrian Airlines, Brussels Airlines or Swiss free of charge. New travel must occur before 30 November 2012. Origin and destination cannot be changed.''

http://www.lufthansa.com/de/en/Travel-information

I would get re booked before personally. It will be 50/50 if 1: They have seats on the US flight and 2: If LH will prefer to offer a hotel and fly out on next LH flight. Depends on how urgent you want to get to PHL. You could always sit tight and wait and see but then you wont know until morning of check in at DUB .


User currently offlineDavecFlyer From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 22353 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 64):
I would get re booked before personally. It will be 50/50 if 1: They have seats on the US flight and 2: If LH will prefer to offer a hotel and fly out on next LH flight. Depends on how urgent you want to get to PHL. You could always sit tight and wait and see but then you wont know until morning of check in at DUB .

Thanks OA260 - I think you are right - chances are that direct DUB - PHL will be very heavily booked and when I asked LH reservations about other star alliance partners they just mention LX and SN.

Cheers



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User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 22336 times:

Last Friday at LGW one of the FRA rotations was operated by a Monarch A300-600, so there is some subbing going on.

User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4636 posts, RR: 23
Reply 67, posted (2 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 22145 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 59):
I have heard the BA partner bit on most of my LHR flights. I have never heard UA being mentioned. Probably the more important partner is BA so thats why its mentioned? Im sure someone can confirm.

I'd hazard a guess the codeshare airlines are only mentioned when passengers flying on those codeshare flight numbers are on board.

There is no use mentioning it in an announcement if no-one is on board under that flight number - hence why you would hear BA mentioned more often as the feed with them would be much more than UA.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 68, posted (2 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 22099 times:

Quoting DavecFlyer (Reply 65):

Yeah shame LX doesnt go to Philly. I would have said to try that   Hope it works out for you whatever you decide.

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 66):

Now thats a nice sub .   I remember flying DUB-FRA with LH on a AB6 once ! Those were the days.


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4636 posts, RR: 23
Reply 69, posted (2 years 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 22076 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 68):
I remember flying DUB-FRA with LH on a AB6 once ! Those were the days.

Ahh, the A300... I've been on the A300B4-203 of Qantas (previously Australian Airlines/TAA) and an AB6 of Thai. Not many chances to do that anymore!



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User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (2 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22060 times:

LH codeshare on UA flights from DUB to EWR and IAD, both handy enough to PHL. I'd ask can you nor be booked on those under the LH flight number?

Perhaps their customer service just are not aware of it?



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User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1477 posts, RR: 3
Reply 71, posted (2 years 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22021 times:

And there is a direct rail connection from Newark airport to Philadelphia if Ua is an option.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 72, posted (2 years 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 21967 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 69):

Indeed I flew Transaer DUB-REU on an A300 years back and of course OA had the B4's so I was on them all the time in the 80's/90's . Lovely aircraft and very much missed.

Quoting pesit4a (Reply 70):

They usually only allow LH SN LX OS metal from my experience and are reluctant to book codeshares. Not to say they wouldnt but just my own experience. I have always found LH good though in times of strikes/delays.


User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (2 years 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 21916 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 72):

I'd imagine its a case of making enough noise about the urgency of your trip.

Understand they want to keep the revenue in-house, but its not really fair on the pax.



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User currently offlineDavecFlyer From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 21695 times:

Folks - thanks for the comments. I'm still in Ireland.

I asked about UA and US flights out of DUB but as the DUB - FRA flight tomorrow wasn't yet officially cancelled (it is now!) they could only rebook me onto LH / LX / OS / SN metal. My couple of hours of deliberation meant that today's FRA - PHL got booked up solid. It also looks like this mornings DUB - FRA was cancelled too so I wouldn't have made it anyway.

The agent I was dealing with was very confident that the transatlantic's won't get cancelled tomorrow so suggested that I fly to FRA tonight to be at least in play for whatever happens tomorrow. Obviously there's a much greater choice of flights to North America with LH / UA out of FRA so I think I should be ok. Of course I had to pay for a hotel at FRA tonight.

In spite of the trouble going on at LH they handled my query pretty well and called me back several times which I was quite impressed with.



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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 75, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 21663 times:

Quoting DavecFlyer (Reply 74):
Of course I had to pay for a hotel at FRA tonight.

This you may be able to claim back on travel insurance and failing that sure write yourself a wee letter to LH customer relations and who knows! You may get some form of compensation even if it doesnt cover the entire cost!



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 76, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 21673 times:

Quoting DavecFlyer (Reply 74):
The agent I was dealing with was very confident that the transatlantic's won't get cancelled tomorrow so suggested that I fly to FRA tonight to be at least in play for whatever happens tomorrow. Obviously there's a much greater choice of flights to North America with LH / UA out of FRA so I think I should be ok. Of course I had to pay for a hotel at FRA tonight.

In spite of the trouble going on at LH they handled my query pretty well and called me back several times which I was quite impressed with.

Good news and probably the best option . Glad you got sorted. FRA is not a bad place to transit and Frankfurt isnt a bad city if you get a chance to pop into town .

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Good news on the passenger numbers for EI :

Aer Lingus passenger number up 2% in August

Long haul traffic was up 7% to 103,000, despite the company having cut back a significant number of routes.
The airline reported a 93% load factor, or percentage of seats filled on long haul, primarily transatlantic, routes last month.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0906/aer...umber-up-2-in-august-business.html

Long haul continues to perform well for EI which is very good news.


User currently offlinemutu From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 21839 times:

BA3 loses SNN pre clearance from 28 October 2012. So it will be a refuel stop and then onward to arrive JFK as an international arrival.....could spell the end of this flight.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 78, posted (2 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 21808 times:

Quoting mutu (Reply 77):
BA3 loses SNN pre clearance from 28 October 2012. So it will be a refuel stop and then onward to arrive JFK as an international arrival.....could spell the end of this flight.

Indeed this was discussed a few threads back and Im sure it will not be so attractive for passengers as it offers no benefit than other carriers who operate direct. The only benefits are product and LCY departure so it may or may not be enough to entice people onto this flight rather than the earlier one.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12472 posts, RR: 37
Reply 79, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 21678 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 78):
Indeed this was discussed a few threads back and Im sure it will not be so attractive for passengers as it offers no benefit than other carriers who operate direct. The only benefits are product and LCY departure so it may or may not be enough to entice people onto this flight rather than the earlier one.

Could they transfer it to DUB? I would certainly agree that having pre-clearance at SNN would be crucial to the survval of this route. Business travellers would simply just move to flights ex-LHR. And BA would face the challenge of selling two A318s in a market which never much liked them.

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Good news pretty much all around for EI, with EI's August results out today. S/H pax numbers down, but LF up and both numbers and LF up for long haul (93% for LF!). EI Regional also performing well.

http://www.businessworld.ie/livenews.htm?a=2981212


User currently offlineei2ksea From Ireland, joined Jul 2004, 578 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 21559 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 76):
despite the company having cut back a significant number of routes.

What 'significant' long haul routes were cut-back since last year??!!

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 67):
I'd hazard a guess the codeshare airlines are only mentioned when passengers flying on those codeshare flight numbers are on board.

I could see why one would think that but its never been a feature of BOS-SNN-BOS or BOS-DUB-BOS when booked on a UA ticket flying with EI (which I normally do). I've arrived at Logan and not once was the UA flight mentioned on the ground or in-flight. SNN did have the UA flight number on baggage reclaim back in June though!!



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User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 21337 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 79):
Could they transfer it to DUB?

The preclearance station at DUB currently closes earlier than the one at SNN at around 15:00ish.



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User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1477 posts, RR: 3
Reply 82, posted (2 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 21065 times:

Airshow at Mountshannon on Sunday

According to the Irish Times , up to 20,000 people are expected to converge on Lough Derg in Co Clare on Sunday for the first air display to be held over Lough Derg.The event has been organised by the Lough Derg Air Spectacular group, a voluntary body whose remit is to promote and develop tourism in the area. One of the groups behind the event is Lough Derg-based Harbour Flights Ireland Ltd, which plans to operate seaplane flights from Mountshannon.

Which reminds me it has been some time since we heard anything about this seaplane operation. Looks like they have missed the 2012 season.


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 83, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 20649 times:
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Quoting dstc47 (Reply 82):
Airshow at Mountshannon on Sunday

Good luck to them. The Salthill Airshow was a big loss so it would be nice if this could become some sort of a replacement. Summers in Galway just haven't been the same since it ended.

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 82):
Which reminds me it has been some time since we heard anything about this seaplane operation. Looks like they have missed the 2012 season.

While this certainly is a cool idea. I somehow doubt that the economics stack up now in our current econmic climate or if they ever did.



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User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20396 times:

Is there any thoughts or predictions of what Terminal SU will use if they are to start operations?
Will they be the second or first non irish European flag carrier to operate from T2?



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12472 posts, RR: 37
Reply 85, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 20394 times:

Serious turbulence incident on MXP-DUB flight last night; three cabin crew hospitalised, incl. one with a broken ankle.

User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 20376 times:

Quoting Jambost (Reply 84):
Is there any thoughts or predictions of what Terminal SU will use if they are to start operations?
Will they be the second or first non irish European flag carrier to operate from T2?

Gonna predict T1.

Not a hope of anything except long haul or additional EI getting in to T2 anymore i'd expect.

DAA need to get some life back into T1, especially Pier A and B. With some shops closing down in T1, some footfall is well needed.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 87, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 20169 times:

Quoting Jambost (Reply 84):

Will be T1 as before they would be handled by the same crowd that handle AF and same ticket desk etc...

Quoting kaitak (Reply 85):

Ouch that sounds nasty. One reason I always have my seatbelt fastened as a passenger when not moving around.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12472 posts, RR: 37
Reply 88, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 19970 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 85):
Serious turbulence incident on MXP-DUB flight last night; three cabin crew hospitalised, incl. one with a broken ankle

Here's a little more on that from Aviation Herald; only one crewmember needed to go to hospital, although two others needed medical attention; 'CVA was the aircraft involved. (Thought that had already gone?)

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=455911f9&opt=0

Sad news today is that Bmibaby ceases operations on all routes; they provided good service down through the years on routes to Belfast, Cork and Knock. They'll be missed.


User currently offlinebx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 679 posts, RR: 3
Reply 89, posted (2 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 19961 times:

CVA was given a C-Check and was stored pending sale but according to Irish Air Letter it was returned to service following the departure of CVD and DET from the fleet.

User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 19798 times:

Quoting pesit4a (Reply 86):
Quoting OA260 (Reply 87):

Shame, T2 would really shine with an SU bird at the gate.

Hope S7 continue to have success alongside SU.



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User currently onlineeicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2163 posts, RR: 4
Reply 91, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 19589 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 88):
Sad news today is that Bmibaby ceases operations on all routes; they provided good service down through the years on routes to Belfast, Cork and Knock. They'll be missed.

They flew from DUB too in their early days.

Quoting bx737 (Reply 89):
following the departure of CVD and DET from the fleet

Was a sad day in my life when I saw CVD in the AirBlue livery outside the hangar after leaving the EI fleet   


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 92, posted (2 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 19568 times:

Quoting Jambost (Reply 90):

Indeed but as mentioned they cant run down T1 otherwise no one will want to use it. It would end up like BCN. All closed up and run down.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 93, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 19113 times:

Strike notice served for October 1st if no deal is found :

SIPTU issues strike notice on Dublin Airport Authority

The union said it will stage industrial action on Monday 1 October if the dispute is not resolved in the meantime.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0911/str...er-lingus-and-daa-authorised.html.

Hopefully something can be done before then.


User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2836 posts, RR: 15
Reply 94, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 18943 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 69):
Not many chances to do that anymore!

There's always the A300s of Monarch  



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User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 95, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 18886 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 93):
Strike notice served for October 1st if no deal is found :

SIPTU issues strike notice on Dublin Airport Authority

The union said it will stage industrial action on Monday 1 October if the dispute is not resolved in the meantime.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0911/str...er-lingus-and-daa-authorised.html.

Hopefully something can be done before then.

Why do I have a horrible sinking feeling I may end up on EI-R (if they can even operate with mainline on strike) from MAN-WAT that weekend and have to get a lift back to my car... which I won't be putting in a DAA carpark!


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4636 posts, RR: 23
Reply 96, posted (2 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 18600 times:

Schedule changes for the Aer Lingus Dublin to Chicago flights.

EI125 was 1250 departure, 1515 arrival.

Now retimed to 1545 departure, 1810 arrival.

EI124 was 1845 departure, 0815 arrival.

Now retimed to 2020 departure, 0950 arrival.

Of course, this is due to the new Chicago flight being added for several days in the week.

EI123 Dublin to Chicago - 1130 departure, 1345 arrival
EI122 Chicago to Dublin - 1550 depature, 0520 arrival.

I have someone booked on flights to Chicago in May, and just got the schedule change e-mail.



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User currently offlineEISHN From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 1509 posts, RR: 7
Reply 97, posted (2 years 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 18468 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 96):
Schedule changes for the Aer Lingus Dublin to Chicago flights.

Hi all.

I was out at O'Hare recently to pick some people up and saw a very pretty A330 painted in a lovely shade of green with a big shamrock on the tail. Hadn't seen an Aer Lingus plane in over a year (haven't been home in over a year either) but it was so nice to be reminded of something that was once so familiar and comforting. Hopefully the next time I do return will be on Aer Lingus, headed home.

Also, just found the old "This Is Not Just An Airline" ad on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp1JLaMIWI8



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User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 14
Reply 98, posted (2 years 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 18446 times:

Quoting EISHN (Reply 97):
Also, just found the old "This Is Not Just An Airline" ad on youtube.

Uploaded by Aer Lingus themselves, nice to know they still have those great adverts. Would be a good idea if they took some inspiration from them for new campaigns.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (2 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 18418 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 96):
Schedule changes for the Aer Lingus Dublin to Chicago flights.

The reason for the change is because ORD couldn't facilitate the schedule previously published by EI due to increasing congestion and lack of gate space at the International Terminal 5 during peak hours. The downside (for me anyway) is no longer having the opportunity to see two EI A330s side by side at ORD  



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User currently offlineEIBusiness From Ireland, joined Feb 2010, 641 posts, RR: 7
Reply 100, posted (2 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 18358 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 99):
The downside (for me anyway) is no longer having the opportunity to see two EI A330s side by side at ORD  

The major downside in this case is for working or business PAX who could get in an evening's work in the greater Chicago area upon arrival or could commute readily on the same day to a neighbouring state for work, catch the evening flight connection to Kalamazoo for example etc. This is obviously somewhat mitigated by the additional EI123 rotation.

I'd imagine that this could also have an impact on transfer PAX volumes to a limited extent.

Regards,

EIBusiness



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4636 posts, RR: 23
Reply 101, posted (2 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 18366 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 99):
The reason for the change is because ORD couldn't facilitate the schedule previously published by EI due to increasing congestion and lack of gate space at the International Terminal 5 during peak hours.

Well there you go!

In other news, I also noticed that Gran Canaria is now all year round from Dublin. It wasn't bookable past 31 March, then it wasn't bookable past 31 March but it showed dates later on the Select Dates screen, and now it's bookable past 31 March  

No guesses where I plan to go at Easter!



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 102, posted (2 years 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 18318 times:

BA repeats its commitment to BHD services as it accuses UA of having an advantage over it.

BRITISH AIRWAYS is committed to developing services from Belfast’s George Best airport and rules out the prospect that Northern Ireland could lose landing slots at Heathrow, Willie Walsh has told MPs in London.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...eland/2012/0913/1224323959249.html


User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 14
Reply 103, posted (2 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 18154 times:

Aer Lingus have increased frequency on BHD-LGW from next summer, up to 4 daily except Saturday where it remains 3 daily. Going after Flybe by the looks of it, not that I see it lasting unless something with VS is on the cards for domestic operations from LHR and includes BHD.

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Expect disruption from October 1st

SIPTU members at the airline are due to hold work stoppages on Monday 1 October.

SIPTU aviation sector organiser Dermot O%u2019Loughlin said notice was being served because of what he called the airline's decision to renege on its obligations.

SIPTU served similar notice of industrial action on the Dublin Airport Authority two days ago.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0913/siptu-aerlingus-pension.html


User currently offlineEIBusiness From Ireland, joined Feb 2010, 641 posts, RR: 7
Reply 104, posted (2 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 17994 times:

SIPTU serves strike notice on Aer Lingus

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0913/siptu-aerlingus-pension.html

Having supported the genuine grievances of various groups within EI previously - I think this latest threat of industrial action is truly deplorable and any staff member genuinely supporting it should question their rationale.

Aer Lingus is a public company - no longer perpetually supported by the state. Most people in the private sector have had their pension entitlements either significantly reduced, decimated in 2008 and 2009 or have no pension plans - only those contributed to explicitly on their own part.

Every year there is some reason for strike threats and in the past - some of these were genuine. In this case, why not let the individuals go on strike and have them directly share the burden of any financial impact on the airline through wage reductions?

The time has come for this culture in Aer Lingus to be eradicated for once and for all. I'm all for the protection of individual rights and entitlements - but this is yet another case of The company has a large cash pile - let's have some of it type mentality. If these people spent their days and focused their energies on developing new concepts and more efficient work practices within Aer Lingus rather than peddling these agendas - the outcome could be much better for all.

Today in Northern Ireland we see hundreds of job losses because of the need for efficiency improvements. Those peddling strike agendas should take note. When oil prices climb further (and they certainly will) and when yield cannot be improved markedly - the pressure is going to come upon the need for further internal efficiencies. No longer is there opportunity for strike threats that erode potential revenues - it is no longer tolerable.

EIBusiness



Vivo Per Lei...
User currently offlineauntie From Ireland, joined Jan 2009, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (2 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 17691 times:

As an affected customer, I cannot believe that yet again I am living under the threat of strike action. I'm (supposed to be) flying to ACE on 1st October for a long-awaited, well-earned, much-needed couple of weeks in the sun.

EI's response is very blasé to say the least

Quote:
The airline said it would assess the situation over the coming days and would communicate with customers over alternative travel arrangements in the event of any likely disruption.

Really? They make it sound so easy!

We have accommodation booked and paid for that's non changeable. We don't have the luxury of accepting "alternative travel arrangements" In any case EI only fly DUB-ACE 4 x weekly, so we'd be looking at moving at least 2 days in either direction. Unacceptable.

I'm sick and tired of unions holding paying customers to ransom like this. I didn't cause the pension issues they are having now, so I don't see why I should have to suffer for it.

  


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 106, posted (2 years 6 days ago) and read 17627 times:
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Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 104):
SIPTU serves strike notice on Aer Lingus

                       

What the hell are potential investors such as Etihad going to make of this crap? Seriously? When will unions in Ireland get their head out from under the mountain of sand and realise that they cannot go around with a gun pointed at the rest of us? The Aer Lingus and DAA employees are not the only group of people in the country whose pension funds have gone down the crapper. They are just luck enough to be members of a union who can hold the country to ransom in a hope that someone will cough up the balance.



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User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (2 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 17475 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 106):

That is exactly why it's being done Tony! To blackmail management while EY consider buying a bigger stake.

These guys really do know how to harm their own cause sometimes!



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User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (2 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 17365 times:

Ryanair is to discontinue the Shannon-Liverpool route from the 4th November. No doubt Aer Lingus Regional's better frequency offering to Manchester (13 weekly vs. 3 weekly) played a role in the SNN-LPL demise. I think the route was daily at its peak.


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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 109, posted (2 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 17201 times:
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Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 108):
Ryanair is to discontinue the Shannon-Liverpool route from the 4th November. No doubt Aer Lingus Regional's better frequency offering to Manchester (13 weekly vs. 3 weekly) played a role in the SNN-LPL demise. I think the route was daily at its peak.

I saw a note on the Wikipedia page for SNN recently that said this route was ending come November. Another blow for the airport and it is not a good sign to see such an established route being dropped. I wonder if EIR will consider swopping a few of the MAN frequencies over to LPL or alternatively, use the aircraft that will be freed up when BRS stops for the winter to open SNN-LPL?



Next Flights: 27/06/14 CX 178 MEL-HKG; 28/06/14 CX 830 HKG-JFK; 04/07/14 EI 134 BOS-SNN
User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 110, posted (2 years 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 17168 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 109):
I wonder if EIR will consider swopping a few of the MAN frequencies over to LPL or alternatively, use the aircraft that will be freed up when BRS stops for the winter to open SNN-LPL?

I wouldn't think so. LPL is not part of the EIR or EI network at present. So I can't see why a 2-3 weekly service would be launched. I would think a few additional services on the MAN might happen, to make it a 14x weekly service.
I don't think there is any free capacity at SNN this winter as the base is going from 2 to 1 ATR. Previously the BRS was operated on a W from ORK in any case, prior to the summer when SNN got the second AT7.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineharpandshamrock From Ireland, joined Mar 2011, 133 posts, RR: 3
Reply 111, posted (2 years 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16659 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 109):
I wonder if EIR will consider swopping a few of the MAN frequencies over to LPL or alternatively, use the aircraft that will be freed up when BRS stops for the winter to open SNN-LPL?

If it's anything like the LPL-ORK route, I suspect a large amount of passengers were travelling from further away than the greater Liverpool area, and were simply using LPL over MAN because of Ryanair's (generally) lower fares.

That said, I was surprised by this news, LPL-SNN is a route I check the fares for regularly and it's usually been the more expensive than DUB or ORK, so I had thought that FR were doing ok on it.



2011 so far: LX (4), FR (2), EI (2), BE (2) - 4004 miles
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 112, posted (2 years 4 days ago) and read 16621 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 106):
Quoting pesit4a (Reply 107):

Indeed just when you think Aer Lingus has matured and the threat of these annual strikes over decades are gone it all starts off again and we are back 5-10 years. Again customers can't plan ahead for fear of ruined trips. I'm glad my next trips are with BA . I'm not going to comment on the rights or wrongs but purely from a customer and PR point of view it's disastrous.


User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (2 years 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 16530 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 112):
Indeed just when you think Aer Lingus has matured and the threat of these annual strikes over decades are gone it all starts off again and we are back 5-10 years. Again customers can't plan ahead for fear of ruined trips. I'm glad my next trips are with BA . I'm not going to comment on the rights or wrongs but purely from a customer and PR point of view it's disastrous.

Flying BA isn't guaranteed to save you, what with the risk of the DAA going on strike also.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 114, posted (2 years 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 16534 times:

Quoting EIDL (Reply 113):

BA will allow re accommodation out of BHD   I've already covered that base   Thank god I'm able to access both Airports in an hour. The joys of living near the border with the United Kingdom.


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4636 posts, RR: 23
Reply 115, posted (2 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 16414 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 114):
BA will allow re accommodation out of BHD I've already covered that base Thank god I'm able to access both Airports in an hour. The joys of living near the border with the United Kingdom.

I wonder what BA will do on codeshare flights?

I'll be interested to see what happens all round really. I am due to fly out October 4, so let's hope more notice is given before the next one, as I'd rather not have my travel plans ruined. Especially the non-refundable domestic First Class flights on AA, which are quite unchangable.

I'm heading to the US to visit friends and on the way back I'm doing a status run as the transcontinental flights on AA in First give 210 tier points a piece on BA which will bring me up to Silver and give me back my oneworld lounge access for about 20 months. Not a bad deal with MIA-LAX-MIA at $780 in First.



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 116, posted (2 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 16387 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 115):
I wonder what BA will do on codeshare flights?

I guess it would depend on who issued the ticket, unless it is soley the responsibility of the operating carrier to get you to LHR? I imagine customers flying out of DUB or BHD on an EI code would be reaccomodated wherever possible on BA metal? IIRC when MALEV bit the dust customers on BA code booked on MA metal were reaccomdated by BA.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (2 years 3 days ago) and read 16030 times:

United Airlines flight UA97 (Berlin-Newark) diverted to Shannon this morning. It arrived at 11:37 and departed for EWR again at 13:17. Not sure what the reason is at this stage.


Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 14
Reply 118, posted (2 years 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 15657 times:

The Etihad code share flights are now live on the Aer Lingus website, being advertised on the homepage with a new routemap extending to Australia.

http://www.aerlingus.com/travelinfor...ation/planandbook/etihadcodeshare/

It's nice to see Sydney (SYD) available on aerlingus.com at last!

Shamrock350


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 119, posted (2 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15555 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 118):

I can't see anything on the website about FFP benefits. I wonder if GC Elite and Prestige members get access to EY lounges on EY metal? Can GC members earn (a no doubt pittyful number of ) GC points on EY?

With these developments I think we can safely say that EI will how never join an alliance. If anything the day of the alliance has passed it seems to me. Much better seems to be deep bilateral agreements between individual airlines where they make sense for both parties. There are quite a few seemingly unlikely bedfellows of late, The QF/EK being the most notable. DJ also partners with DL over the pacific and EY over AUH. For EI it seems clear that no one alliance would cover all bases. The EI/EY partnership is right for a lot of the reasons the QF/EK partnership makes sense - feed byond the middle east hub and one-stop access to Asia/Australia.

Oneworld - the only airline of any significant interest is BA - who EI effectively continue an alliance like relationship anyway. AA is the wrong US partner for EI and a possible merger with US won't fix that. IB, AY and AB have never been close partners with EI. CX might offer something and QF seems to be moving away from OW and towards EK for European routes.

STAR - UA is the interesting one here, defiantly the US airline with the "right" hubs but already serving DUB (SNN and BFS) in their own right, again the alliance-like relationship gives them what the need in terms of feed over ORD.

SkyTeam - KL would be the only airline of any interest at all. DL already covers Ireland more than adequately with its own metal.

In an alliance setting these agreements may, or may not survive. With Irleand being such a small market, EI is probably best to do what AS has done quite successfully in the US and partner with aIrlines as and when it makes sense. I will say that AS has quite good reciprocal arrangements with its partners for lounge access and miles earning. This is something EI should do if they are serious about taking growing byond the Irish O&D market. We have been saying this for years, but E have still done noting about earning opportunities, either with EI themselves, partner airlines on-line shopping, credit cards, etc.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 120, posted (2 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15513 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 119):
I can't see anything on the website about FFP benefits. I wonder if GC Elite and Prestige members get access to EY lounges on EY metal? Can GC members earn (a no doubt pittyful number of ) GC points on EY?

No its just a codeshare agreement not a FF Agreement . No points no lounges .


User currently offlineNibog From Ireland, joined Apr 2009, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 121, posted (2 years 2 days ago) and read 15458 times:

I see Ryanair are taking delivery of a brace of 737's today.One is currently tracking towards Dublin(RYR 800T),the other should be landing at about 13.30(RYR 800S). Have they many more coming or is this near the end of deliveries?.

User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12472 posts, RR: 37
Reply 122, posted (2 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15257 times:

Quoting Nibog (Reply 121):
Have they many more coming or is this near the end of deliveries?.

'EVS and 'EVT arrived today and according to Jethros, there are 11 more to come.


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4636 posts, RR: 23
Reply 123, posted (2 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15212 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 118):
It's nice to see Sydney (SYD) available on aerlingus.com at last!

It is very good actually!  
Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 119):
I can't see anything on the website about FFP benefits. I wonder if GC Elite and Prestige members get access to EY lounges on EY metal? Can GC members earn (a no doubt pittyful number of ) GC points on EY?

I rang them this morning, and the rep, who was an old girl at first didn't know what I was talking about regarding the codeshare. Then she put me on hold (as presumably someone overheard her), then she said she didn't know if you could earn on it. I asked when she might know and she said, "Management hasn't told us anything about any of this so we don't know".

Typical.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 120):
No its just a codeshare agreement not a FF Agreement . No points no lounges .

Well that's pretty stupid to be honest. You should be able to earn on an EI flight number no matter what airline is the actual carrier. It makes my blood boil sometimes at the stupidity of this airline. Let's hope that they do allow earning on the new routes.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12472 posts, RR: 37
Reply 124, posted (2 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15194 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 123):
. Then she put me on hold (as presumably someone overheard her), then she said she didn't know if you could earn on it. I asked when she might know and she said, "Management hasn't told us anything about any of this so we don't know".

That's sloppy and disappointing; even if she didn't know, she should not have bad mouthed mgmt to an outsider, particularly a customer; that should be a recorder used for a training session.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 123):
Well that's pretty stupid to be honest. You should be able to earn on an EI flight number no matter what airline is the actual carrier. It makes my blood boil sometimes at the stupidity of this airline. Let's hope that they do allow earning on the new routes.

It is; don't these people learn; DON'T do things by half measures, because you know the competition (EK) won't. This is just a repeat of DXB all over, in the sense that they didn't (and in this case, don't) have all their ducks in a row from day one. Get it right, first time; you want business/high earning people to use this route, then give them an incentive to do so. The message of this product, from the outset is, "well, you should really fly Emirates if you want to earn points". Why should EI do EK's marketing for them. Just not good enough!


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4636 posts, RR: 23
Reply 125, posted (2 years 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 15151 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 124):
That's sloppy and disappointing; even if she didn't know, she should not have bad mouthed mgmt to an outsider, particularly a customer; that should be a recorder used for a training session.

Oh, the other comment (her name was Mary by the way) that made me roll my eyes was disgust was her statement that, "It depends on supply and demand" in regards to whether the Etihad codeshare flights will count towards anything. Now if that isn't an answer by a former employee of a Government owned organisation, I don't know what is.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 124):
It is; don't these people learn; DON'T do things by half measures, because you know the competition (EK) won't.

Actually, they should be taking notice - as of 1 April 2013 when the Qantas and Emirates partnership commences, it will be one stop from Dublin to Sydney and Melbourne, with full reciprocal frequent flyer benefits on either airline as a member of either programme. This theoretically blows Aer Lingus' codeshare with Etihad out of the water immediately from this perspective.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 124):
This is just a repeat of DXB all over, in the sense that they didn't (and in this case, don't) have all their ducks in a row from day one. Get it right, first time; you want business/high earning people to use this route, then give them an incentive to do so. The message of this product, from the outset is, "well, you should really fly Emirates if you want to earn points". Why should EI do EK's marketing for them. Just not good enough!

I wonder who is dragging their feet this time. Etihad allows earning on many airlines - I remember the announcement when they put money into Air Berlin that there would be benefits for both airlines customers. Interesting how Etihad owns some of Aer Lingus, now there is a codeshare, and yet there is no frequent flyer benefit.

Meanwhile, something has screwed up somewhere - Sydney wasn't bookable past January earlier today, I noticed.

(Edited to remove fact that new destinations were no longer in the list - they've come back again - IT issues indeed!)

[Edited 2012-09-18 13:51:02]


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 126, posted (2 years 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 15048 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 125):

Mind you in fairness Etihad are far from ideal when it comes to admin and staff knowing the FF product. My dealings with Emirates over the last few weeks in contrast have been professional throughout.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12472 posts, RR: 37
Reply 127, posted (2 years 20 hours ago) and read 14824 times:

One big drawback of EY, I have to say, is that they do not serve two of the major SE Asian commercial centres: SIN and HKG. Hopefully that will be rectified at some stage.

Incidentally, FR announced today that it would add service to a new Polish city - Lublin (pronounced "Wublin" - there's a stroke through the first "L") Some good alliteration there, for marketing purposes!

FR has also welcomed a third new 738 this week, EI-EVR - which arrives today.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 128, posted (2 years 2 hours ago) and read 14436 times:

A chance for anyone interested to see the Old Terminal Building at DUB :

http://openhousedublin.com/index.php/site/tour/old-terminal-building/


User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 14
Reply 129, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 13923 times:

Some interesting news today though.

Air Canada and Aer Lingus Sign Interline Agreement

Quote:
MONTREAL, Sept. 21, 2012 /CNW Telbec/ - Air Canada and Aer Lingus today announced they have signed an interline agreement to make flying between Canada and Ireland more convenient. The agreement is effective immediately and is a preliminary step toward a full code sharing relationship expected to be finalized next year between the Canadian and Irish flag carriers.

"Air Canada is pleased to interline with Aer Lingus as it will complement our Toronto-Dublin seasonal service to make it easy to fly year-round between Canada and Ireland via convenient connections through London Heathrow Airport, Air Canada's largest international station. We intend to follow through with other measures to enhance the experience for customers traveling between Canada and Ireland, including a full code share relationship with Aer Lingus beginning next year, the planned relocation of both carriers to Terminal 2 at Heathrow to facilitate connections and following that the introduction of year-round flights between Canada and Ireland," said Marcel Forget, Vice President Network Planning at Air Canada.

- Bit of clever wording makes it sound like DUB-YYZ is going year round but it actually means via LHR in the winter.
- Aer Lingus to move to Terminal 2 at LHR next year, must also mean they'll be in the new T2 from 2014.
- Code share between both airlines to begin next year. Aer Lingus service out the window or more likely than ever?

http://aircanada.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=580

More 'Aer Lingus is doomed without us' talk from Michael O'Leary

Ryanair has had approaches for its stake in Aer Lingus

Quote:
Ryanair has warned that Aer Lingus would likely be broken up if the European Commission blocks the bid by the airline to take over its rival.

The commission is due to rule by January whether Ryanair's third attempt to take over Aer Lingus would restrict competition. Ryanair's chief executive Michael O'Leary said the airline had received approaches by financial institutions to buy its near 30% stake in Aer Lingus. It said it may sell it if the EU rejects a package of remedies to address its competition concerns.

Would put an end to this long battle if they just got rid of their stake.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0921/rya...rce=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Willie Walsh sounds in favour of a Ryanair take over, I guess BA/IAG has a lot to gain if FR start shrinking EI at major hubs in Europe.

Walsh rules out BA bid for State's 25% share of Aer Lingus

Quote:
WILLIE WALSH yesterday definitively ruled out buying Aer Lingus or bidding for the Government’s 25 stake when it is put up for sale.

Speaking to The Irish Times after receiving the RDS’s gold medal for industry and commerce, Mr Walsh also said IAG would not lodge an objection with the European Commission to Ryanair’s latest offer for Aer Lingus.

When asked if he was definitively ruling himself out of acquiring Aer Lingus, Mr Walsh said, “Yes”.

“We will not bid to acquire Aer Lingus; definitely not,” he said.

Or the Government’s stake? “No, we won’t do that either. We [BA] want to fly from Heathrow to Dublin. Potentially we could do Cork as well. We’re doing it from Belfast.

- Interestingly states BA could operate to ORK but also says BA could potentially do transatlantic from DUB so it sounds like bravado on his part more than anything else.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...nance/2012/0921/1224324232535.html

Shamrock350


User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 130, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13894 times:

The more I read things like the above, it seems EI and BA are having a major spat! EI seem to be cementing ties with Star carriers and trying to muscle in on Heathrow domestic.


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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 131, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13845 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 129):

I don't think EI are moving as much as being evicted from T1, as it needs to be demolished to allow phase 2 of T2 to be built. However I believe from all CGIs and plans I have seen that EIs current gates "the green mile" are to remain, but will be serviced via T2, as opposed to T1.

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 129):

I suspect that what WW says is true. IAG have no interest in EI, becuase the FR deal will serve them up exactly what they want, a chunk of slots at LHR, they might be tied to serving ORK, DUB and SNN, possibly even BHD but it could still liberate almost a dozen slots over a period of time. Why go to the trouke of buying the whole, when the part you are interested in has already been offers to you?
I put it that the situation at LHR is very different to that of Ireland as a whole. Even with the acquisition of BD, BA still only has 50-60% market share at ONE airport in ONE city. Not 90-100% share at ALL airports in an entire country. That's comparing Apples to Androids, frankly.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12472 posts, RR: 37
Reply 132, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13846 times:

Also reported on another site that BA is interested in a DUB-LCY service.

User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 133, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13797 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 132):
Also reported on another site that BA is interested in a DUB-LCY service.

They failed badly last time, but would be good to have more competition that route. Given they are happy to overnight the LHR crew at DUB, would be worth while doing the same with LCY - they failed last time with too late a departure out of DUB, all the business traffic had already left for London.

Pilot21



Aircraft I've flown: A300/A310/A320/A321/A330/A340/B727/B732/B733/B734/B735/B738/B741/B742/B744/DC10/MD80/IL62/Bae146/AR
User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4636 posts, RR: 23
Reply 134, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13776 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 131):
I suspect that what WW says is true. IAG have no interest in EI, becuase the FR deal will serve them up exactly what they want, a chunk of slots at LHR, they might be tied to serving ORK, DUB and SNN, possibly even BHD but it could still liberate almost a dozen slots over a period of time. Why go to the trouke of buying the whole, when the part you are interested in has already been offers to you?

You're wrong, perhaps. According to this article that came out today -

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...ght-to-buy-aer-lingus-3236118.html

I quote -

"Speaking following Ryanair’s annual general meeting in Dublin this morning, Mr O’Leary said that the carrier has tabled “radical remedies” to Brussels in an effort to secure approval.

He said that a number of airlines have already told Ryanair that they will begin servicing routes to and from Dublin that Ryanair would plan to relinquish under a deal to acquire Aer Lingus."

The important quote is the part that says that Ryanair would plan to relinquish under a deal to acquire Aer Lingus.

Therefore, as I expected, Ryanair will exit routes (no doubt for a certain period of time) and other airlines (I would bet on easyJet for one, FlyBe perhaps, and others in other countries) will take up the slack.

I seriously doubt there is any plan to sell, remove, or tamper with the EI LHR slots. For a start the uproar in Ireland would be mighty, and I hazard a guess if they are planning to expand EI transatlantic, they will still need LHR for connections.

I'd love to see the submission Ryanair are putting forward!



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1836 posts, RR: 2
Reply 135, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13672 times:
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Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 134):

I'd love to see the submission Ryanair are putting forward!

I love the assertion by MoL that EI will be broken up if he doesn't get it........
............as opposed to farmed off to other airlines and/or reduced in size to an extension of FR.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 136, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13600 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 132):
Also reported on another site that BA is interested in a DUB-LCY service.
Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 133):
They failed badly last time, but would be good to have more competition that route

If BA went for it this time maybe with some E Jets then WX would suffer big time !


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 137, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 13203 times:

Any truth to the rumour that Air Canada are moving into Terminal 2 at Dublin next year as part of the EI/AC codeshare? Does T2 really need extra flights? T1 will be like a ghost town soon!


Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 777 posts, RR: 9
Reply 138, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 13182 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 137):

Any truth to the rumour that Air Canada are moving into Terminal 2 at Dublin next year as part of the EI/AC codeshare? Does T2 really need extra flights? T1 will be like a ghost town soon!

It seems to be true alright. For me its a good move for EI. As things currently stand the only airline EI co-operate with in T1 is SA)">UA (I'm excluding BA here for obvious reasons). Now AC will be added to the mix and they already offer connections to SQ which will also be T2 and I hear a deal is on the cards for SA to offer connections using EI now that BD has bit the dust



Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13099 times:

Quoting EIRules (Reply 138):
It seems to be true alright. For me its a good move for EI. As things currently stand the only airline EI co-operate with in T1 is SA)">UA (I'm excluding BA here for obvious reasons). Now AC will be added to the mix and they already offer connections to SQ which will also be T2 and I hear a deal is on the cards for SA to offer connections using EI now that BD has bit the dust

I think you're answering a different question there - AmericanShamrock was talking about AC moving to T2 at DUB; not EI moving to T2 at LHR. Although the latter is almost certain and the former isn't (yet) so a very easy error.


User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 140, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13105 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 137):

The reference to T2 in the press release was actually in reference to LHR - both AC and EI are moving to LHR T2 in 2014!



You just can't keep a good man down!
User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 141, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13074 times:

So FR have apparently spoke to IAG about EI routes. I don't for a second believe that IAG would be interested in anything other than LHR, with an outside chance of LGW, IAG can get what it needs out of EI by encouraging the FR deal, simple as that. The landscape at LHR has changed, BA has got quite a number of slots from the BD acquisition, more than it can use right now for long-haul, at least until all the A380s and 787s arrive - if 767s and 747s aren't retired as was planned. More crucially the 3rd runway is now back on the political agenda, it's still nothing like a done deal and a long way off, but the prospect means that DUB will just not be required as a reliever hub over the north atlantic for IAG.

Quoting EIRules (Reply 138):

EI and SA have been working together for years, certainly put of ORK and SNN. Maybe it was different out of DUB. Thing is that alliances are more about FFPs and Rewards really, rather than any real commercial or operational ties. Airlines will jump into bed with each other as and when it makes sense, regardless of alliance, especially of late.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1836 posts, RR: 2
Reply 142, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13068 times:
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Quoting pesit4a (Reply 140):
The reference to T2 in the press release was actually in reference to LHR - both AC and EI are moving to LHR T2 in 2014!

Isn't this going to be called Heathrow East?

So we will have Heathrow East, T3, T4 and T5 at LHR


I agree with Brian, BA would be quite happy to take over the DUB-LHR route, (maybe even SNN-LHR and ORK-DUB?) that would protect (and may actually increase) their current feed from Ireland. In hard nosed commercial terms, BA would not care about the other aspects of an FR/EI merger. So WW protects his group by adding positive comments to the FR bid. (The BA/Bmi merger can't be compared to FR/EI but WW managed to link them in the public mind)

[Edited 2012-09-22 14:32:46]

User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 143, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13026 times:

Ah, I probably got LHR T2 confused with DUB T2 then.

Quoting Irish Times:

Aer Lingus flight returns to airport after engine failure

An Aer Lingus flight was forced to return to Shannon Airport yesterday after one of the aircraft’s engines failed soon after take-off.

Aer Lingus regional flight EI 3606, operated by Aer Arann, had left Shannon at 3.49pm for Manchester with 46 passengers and a crew of four on board.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...eland/2012/0921/1224324230806.html



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlinepesit4a From Ireland, joined Jul 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 144, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 12865 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 142):
Isn't this going to be called Heathrow East?

So we will have Heathrow East, T3, T4 and T5 at LHR

Heathrow East was the initial working name for the new terminal, but now it is referred to simply as Terminal 2.



You just can't keep a good man down!
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 145, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 12825 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 142):
I agree with Brian, BA would be quite happy to take over the DUB-LHR route,

Indeed BA show all the signs of wanting their own flights DUB-LHR filled with onward connections and BA-EI codeshare second. They have asked the travel trade to use BA metal as priority and EI codeshare only where needed. A break up and fire sale of EI routes would be great news to BA as it would mean more connecting via LHR on BA .


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4636 posts, RR: 23
Reply 146, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12655 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 145):
They have asked the travel trade to use BA metal as priority and EI codeshare only where needed

Well, you'd hardly expect them to advise otherwise, would you?  

I'd say this is going to be more successful than the LGW route - much more frequency for a start!



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 147, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12604 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 146):

Yes but in the past its been a case of "book any EI/BA metal" this time its only book EI if BA is full. Its especially apparant in the Nett fares. When the LGW route was running this was not the case.


User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2836 posts, RR: 15
Reply 148, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12019 times:

Kind of annoyed with EI. I'm flying tomorrow with them from MAD, but because I didn't buy a seat, they won't let me check in online! To make it worse I'm coming from GRO & connecting. I have around 2.5 hrs but I'm a bit stressed as I've never had to check in at the airport for a connecting flight before.   


Cabin crew blog http://dolefuldolegirl.blogspot.ie/
User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2758 posts, RR: 57
Reply 149, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11947 times:

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 148):

Are you on the 8.35pm departure? Could it simply be because you tried checking-in earlier than 30 hours before departure? Remember online check-in is only available from 30 hours to 2 hours before departure time.

I take it you're arriving from GRO with FR? If so at least you arrive into T1. Arrival at Madrid is quick (unless you've checked-in luggage, which is usually quite slow). Then you simply exit baggage reclaim area, take first stairs you see to upstairs where the check-in desks are. EI usually only have 2 check-in desks at MAD. I fly frequently from MAD, and T1, which I don't love as it's a bit dated, but security and passport control are usually swift so if your flight from GRO is on-time, you should have no worries.



Long live Aer Lingus!
User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2836 posts, RR: 15
Reply 150, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11858 times:

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 149):
Are you on the 8.35pm departure? Could it simply be because you tried checking-in earlier than 30 hours before departure? Remember online check-in is only available from 30 hours to 2 hours before departure time.

No, 10.35am departure.

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 149):
I take it you're arriving from GRO with FR?

Yes  
Quoting Toulouse (Reply 149):
If so at least you arrive into T1. Arrival at Madrid is quick (unless you've checked-in luggage, which is usually quite slow). Then you simply exit baggage reclaim area, take first stairs you see to upstairs where the check-in desks are. EI usually only have 2 check-in desks at MAD. I fly frequently from MAD, and T1, which I don't love as it's a bit dated, but security and passport control are usually swift so if your flight from GRO is on-time, you should have no worries.

Thanks very much!! 



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 151, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11875 times:

Some bits of Irish related aviation snippets :

Emirates are holding Cabin Crew open days to recruit Ireland based applicants.

10th October at the Holiday Inn Belfast and 13th October Hilton Dublin City.

https://ekgrpapplications.emirates.com/careersonlineapps/CC_OPENDAYS/CabinCrewOpenDays.aspx

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Statement from the DAA about the threatened strike which could close all three Airports DUB,ORK,SNN on Monday .

DAA Statement Re Potential Industrial Action on October 1September 25 2012Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) regrets to inform passengers that operations at Dublin, Cork and Shannon airports may be affected by industrial action on Monday, October 1.DAA has been served with notice of potential industrial action for October 1 by SIPTU and Mandate and in recent days, SIPTU has indicated that its members plan a series of rolling work stoppages at the three airports on that day. DAA is deeply disappointed that trade unions have embarked on this unwarranted course of action and is exploring every option available to avert potential disruption to its operations. The planned industrial action, which relates to pension issues, is needless and will cause unnecessary worry and inconvenience for the travelling public.

http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-...ndustrial_Action_on_October_1.aspx

Lets hope its called off as its the last thing we need in Ireland right now .


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4636 posts, RR: 23
Reply 152, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11958 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 147):
Yes but in the past its been a case of "book any EI/BA metal" this time its only book EI if BA is full. Its especially apparant in the Nett fares. When the LGW route was running this was not the case.

I guess they are planning to actually make this work!



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineEI320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 1437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11821 times:

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 148):
Kind of annoyed with EI. I'm flying tomorrow with them from MAD, but because I didn't buy a seat, they won't let me check in online! To make it worse I'm coming from GRO & connecting. I have around 2.5 hrs but I'm a bit stressed as I've never had to check in at the airport for a connecting flight before.

Hi Aerdingus,

Were you trying to use the Advance Check-In facility by any chance? Advance Check-In is available between 30 days and 30 hours before departure and can only be used if you have paid a seating fee.

The regular Web Check-In service is available to all passengers between 30 hours and 2 hours before departure regardless of whether a seating fee has been paid.

I'm just curious to know why the online system was preventing you from checking in!


User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 154, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11825 times:

UTV mentioned tonight that FR are possibly in talks with BFS to launch international routes. [Nothing on their website yet]

Knowing UTV so far its bulls**t or a prank they got sucked into, however could it be that they have genuinely intercepted the early stages of talks? I want to speculate what FR are planning however I will restrain my thoughts until more proof prevails.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 155, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11788 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 152):
I guess they are planning to actually make this work!

Indeed I certainly hope so . All the things they are doing certainly point in that direction and I hope they are around at DUB for many years to come.

Quoting Jambost (Reply 154):
UTV mentioned tonight that FR are possibly in talks with BFS to launch international routes. [Nothing on their website yet]

Knowing UTV so far its bulls**t or a prank they got sucked into, however could it be that they have genuinely intercepted the early stages of talks?

It maybe just BS but I actually wouldnt be surprised. With the loss of EI BFS are needing anyone to keep the place going . Maybe BFS will offer FR a package they are happy to accept.


User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 14
Reply 156, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11770 times:

Aer Lingus might not be ready to join an alliance but working with members of a certain alliance could be suitable option for Aer Lingus, especially with British Airways giving them the cold shoulder.

Star Alliance courts Aer Lingus to fill Heathrow gap left by BMI

Quote:
Istanbul: Deutsche Lufthansa AG’s Star group of airlines said it needs a short-haul ally at London’s Heathrow hub to fill a gap left by the British Airways takeover of BMI, and will reach out to carriers including Aer Lingus Group Plc.

Star, which includes United Continental Holdings Inc. and Singapore Airlines Ltd., is suffering from reduced connectivity at Heathrow after Lufthansa sold unprofitable BMI to BA parent IAG in April. The Oneworld alliance member was attracted by the scarce operating slots on offer at Europe’s busiest airport.
http://gulfnews.com/business/aviatio...heathrow-gap-left-by-bmi-1.1080729

Could be a good match for Aer Lingus, they need to offset the weakening partnership with BA and working closely with but ultimately staying out of Star will enable them to do that. Things could get very interesting if EI manage to get those domestic routes!

Quoting Jambost (Reply 154):

UTV mentioned tonight that FR are possibly in talks with BFS to launch international routes. [Nothing on their website yet]

I think BFS management would want to be very careful not to annoy easyJet, working with Ryanair can be great for an airport until the contract is up and landing fees become an issue. At that point easyJet might have reduced and Ryanair is in the driving seat. BHD know this all too well.


User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 157, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11772 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 155):

It maybe just BS but I actually wouldnt be surprised. With the loss of EI BFS are needing anyone to keep the place going . Maybe BFS will offer FR a package they are happy to accept.


I am a little nervous if this turns out to be true, I hope FR target new untouched routes and maybe rub shoulders with U2. I am worried that they would wipe out LS. Although if FR can expand to many new European routes then I guess LS is a worthy sacrifice.

I have a soft spot for LS as I travel with them to Leeds and recently had very pleasant flights with them. TR coming soon  



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26997 posts, RR: 57
Reply 158, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11574 times:

Quoting Jambost (Reply 157):
I am a little nervous if this turns out to be true, I hope FR target new untouched routes

Yes well there is that . I would want to see new routes not flooding already served routes.

Quoting Jambost (Reply 157):
I have a soft spot for LS as I travel with them to Leeds and recently had very pleasant flights with them. TR coming soon  

Me too I flew them a few times to Leeds and really had good flights. Look forward to the TR