boacvc10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 628 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2868 times:
In light of the renewal of BG fleet with new Boeing a/c, and newer aircraft such as the A380 .. A35X and B787-variants available now and soon, and with the changed economics of the aviation industry, and a growing US based pool of pax travelling to BGD (DAC/CGP/SYL) .... are direct flights between US and Bangladesh (a) feasible (b) being planned at all ?
Surely the pax numbers cannot be that bad? Most EK, EY, SQ, TG flights are 100% in and out. Any figures on the load factors from official sources? US-Bangladesh air cargo must be huge..
If not, why not? Ego's abound, so a corrupt country doesn't factor in this type of decision.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 22488 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2856 times:
Will they ever be feasible? Yes, and they will happen. Bangladesh is developing, it's got a huge population, and it's going to grow more important on the world stage, so it's going to get a direct flight at some point.
That said, I don't think it'll happen for several years at least.
7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
jimbobjoe From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 669 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2395 times:
Probably not. A direct flight (particularly for ultra long haul) requires plenty of business passengers and the fact that there are so few DAC to Europe flights indicates to me that there just isn't enough high paying passengers to maintain ULH services.
Consider how many business and economy passengers fly between the US and India...and the fact that they can barely maintain five non-stop flights to India, of which only two are confirmed to make money (though that is Air India's fault.)
Surfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2982 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2332 times:
I assume when you say "direct" you do not mean a nonstop service between the U.S. and Bangladesh, but a direct/same plane/one stop service?
The ONLY airlines that serve Bangladesh are Asian, hailing from the Indian Subcontinent, Middle East, Southeast Asia, and China. These airlines capitalize on the high O&D between Bangladesh and the relatively wealthy countries that import Bangladeshi laborers, such as Saudi Arabia, U.A.E., and Malaysia, while also offering seamless connections beyond their hubs to key markets further afield like the U.S., Canada, U.K., Italy, Japan, South Korea, and Australia. BA was the last non-Asian carrier to serve Bangladesh; they pulled out back in 2009. Obviously if they (along with all other European airlines) don't see a business case for Bangladesh, rest assured that Bangladesh is absolutely out of the question when it comes to U.S. carriers! This leaves state owned basket case flag carrier BG as the only candidate for U.S.-Bangladesh direct service, and their last attempt at this was a renowned failure.
The only nonstop intercontinental services from Bangladesh today are operated by BG, an airline notorious for its chronic delays, shoddy maintenance, and poor service, not to mention lack of profitability. As such, BG is even avoided by many Bangladeshis, in spite of the fact that Bangladeshis are said to routinely experience tacit discrimination on the ground [in transit] and onboard many of the Middle Eastern and Southeast Asian carriers that are the primary alternatives to reaching Bangladesh! Apparently, BG's only viable intercontinental services are the U.K. and Italy. These two countries just so happen to host the largest Bangladeshi diaspora communities outside of Asia, and these Bangladeshi communities are heavily concentrated in the major urban areas of Manchester and London/Milan and Rome, respectively. The U.S. hosts fewer Bangladeshis, and while many of them live in and around New York, they tend to be much more widespread throughout the whole country than in Europe. As such, it is difficult to serve the Bangladeshis in the U.S. via a single gateway such as JFK. and Italy. BG did attempt to serve the New York/U.S. Bangladeshi community in the recent past, but quit after experiencing major losses. Despite the airline's acquisition of newer, more efficient aircraft, I would not expect another attempt at JFK to fare any better than last time around.
1) I would tend to think Bangladesh is Category II, barring Bangladeshi airlines from adding any U.S. services unless the country can achieve Category I status. If [re]gaining Cat 1 status is a difficult task for the Philippines, Indonesia, Kenya, and even Israel to achieve, I should think it would be a nearly impossible chore for Bangladesh...
2) Even if Bangladesh were to somehow get Cat 1, the U.S. gov't could still have security concerns a la Pakistan or Lebanon, barring nonstop (or perhaps even direct) services for one reason or another.
3) Ultra long haul services are extremely expensive to operate nonstop; the low-yielding U.S.-Bangladesh market could never provide the yields to support such a link. Even BKK couldn't support ULH flights to the U.S., and that's a much larger, more affluent and popular market. A direct one (or perhaps even two) stop service would negate any advantage vs. vastly superior one-stop options like EK and SQ, and require the acquisition of fifth freedom rights. In fact, part of the failure of BG's last JFK service was the inability to reroute the service via MAN - they could not get MAN-JFK fifth freedom rights IIRC.
Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!