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Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac  
User currently offlinebakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11102 times:

Did a search for SXM but nothing came up.

See the below link for a cool recent video of a go-around at SXM of an AF 340. Looks like a hard crosswind landing that they decided to abort.

You'll have to ignore the exaggeration and hyperbol in the comments/title (as in most Youtube videos) though. At the time it was a tropical storm and not a hurricane.... and I'm not sure how it is "extremely" late as I suppose any abort prior to touchdown is on time  

A shame there is no HD version of the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJaR4azw6NM

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User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9707 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11054 times:

That is very late to initiate a go around.

With no ILS and only 7,500 ft of runway, that's a tough approach in bad weather for any widebody. I'm not surprised to see a go around.



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User currently offlinebakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10632 times:

It's interesting to see how slow it climbs  

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8341 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 10595 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 1):
With no ILS and only 7,500 ft of runway, that's a tough approach in bad weather for any widebody. I'm not surprised to see a go around.

While likely a visual approach considering the good visibility, 7500 feet is certainly challenging in those kind of winds. He had a pretty good crab angle going there for a while, and it looks like they got a decent sink as they crossed over land. Would be fun to watch, though, that's for sure! Then again, there isn't much of a beach there to enjoy...



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User currently offlinealphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10165 times:

Interesting to see the waves coming up against the rocks - I'm so used to having the lounge chairs from the bar in the sand, even at high tide (yes I know it was due to a tropical storm, just interesting to see Maho beach covered lol).

Quoting bakersdozen (Reply 2):
It's interesting to see how slow it climbs

HA!


User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 660 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9281 times:

Quoting bakersdozen (Reply 2):

It's interesting to see how slow it climbs  

Obviously this is in jest, but the climb performance there isn't actually too bad... And of course, it climbs very nicely with an engine out, which is the important part, and especially useful for SXM!



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3208 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8638 times:

Did the divert to somewhere else?

User currently offlineBA747400 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7856 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 6):

Doesn't appear so; there's a link in the video description to the second (and sucessful) landing, about 15 minutes later.


User currently offlinethrufru From Marshall Islands, joined Feb 2009, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7286 times:

Don't forget, that even after the pilot initiates a go-around, it's not unusual for the aircraft to lose a significant amount of altitude. This looked like a normal approach to land and a standard decision to go-around. Nothing really out of the ordinary.

User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2903 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6274 times:

I've been in a couple of go arounds. One of them, due to strong cross-winds at BCN when coming in from FRA on a LH A320, was initiated once we were already over the runway, not more than a couple of seconds before the expected touch down. I didn't find it abnormal.


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User currently offlineCambridgeFlyer1 From UK - England, joined Jun 2012, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6215 times:

Quoting bakersdozen (Reply 2):

Haha! Back with the a343 power jokes  


User currently offlineflylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5451 times:

Is it just me or does it appear that he is carrying a tad bit more airspeed in the second video?


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User currently offlinexdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4872 times:

Quoting BA747400 (Reply 7):

just enough time for a change of underwear!


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27252 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4787 times:

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 4):

Interesting to see the waves coming up against the rocks - I'm so used to having the lounge chairs from the bar in the sand, even at high tide (yes I know it was due to a tropical storm, just interesting to see Maho beach covered lol).

Sure is  

Must have been some experience for those watching .


User currently offlinemoumou8891 From France, joined Dec 2005, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3722 times:

Here is the HD version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWDOkmiJdHI&feature=g-upl


User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2382 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3530 times:

Quoting bakersdozen (Reply 2):
It's interesting to see how slow it climbs

They don't climb - they get into ground effect, and rely on the curvature of the Earth to do the rest. 



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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3484 times:

Quoting thrufru (Reply 8):
Don't forget, that even after the pilot initiates a go-around, it's not unusual for the aircraft to lose a significant amount of altitude. This looked like a normal approach to land and a standard decision to go-around. Nothing really out of the ordinary

Here is a video of an NK A319 that did a go around at LAS a few weeks ago. You can see it still lose some altitude even after the engines spool up.

http://youtu.be/VpgmzyhmHxA


User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6475 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3465 times:
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Well, isn´t it SOP on go-arounds to not retract the gear until you have confirmed a Positive Rate of Climb? I assume this video illustrates why.

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3399 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 1):

Very late indeed and could've been a costly decision too... Remember the incident in Canada during a storm and aircraft ended up crash landing jumping the runway and into an embankment...

EK413



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7425 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 1):
That is very late to initiate a go around.
Quoting EK413 (Reply 18):
Very late indeed and could've been a costly decision too...

 

There is no "late Go Around" ... A late Go Around is the one that is not performed and the plane crashes ...
A Go Around can be performed even after the wheels touch the Rwy (happened to me at JFK last September).

By Definition, a Go Around is always "late" !!!!


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 19):

What is the cutoff for a go-around if that be the case...

EK413



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5716 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3003 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 18):
Very late indeed and could've been a costly decision too... Remember the incident in Canada during a storm and aircraft ended up crash landing jumping the runway and into an embankment...

That airplane never attempted a go-around.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 21):

& what is the cutoff to execute a go-around...?

EK413



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User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 76
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

Quoting bakersdozen (Thread starter):

Looks like they were landing with a tailwind.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 20):

Selecting reverse thrust.



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