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Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac  
User currently offlinebakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 days ago) and read 10975 times:

Did a search for SXM but nothing came up.

See the below link for a cool recent video of a go-around at SXM of an AF 340. Looks like a hard crosswind landing that they decided to abort.

You'll have to ignore the exaggeration and hyperbol in the comments/title (as in most Youtube videos) though. At the time it was a tropical storm and not a hurricane.... and I'm not sure how it is "extremely" late as I suppose any abort prior to touchdown is on time  

A shame there is no HD version of the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJaR4azw6NM

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User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9613 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 days ago) and read 10927 times:

That is very late to initiate a go around.

With no ILS and only 7,500 ft of runway, that's a tough approach in bad weather for any widebody. I'm not surprised to see a go around.



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User currently offlinebakersdozen From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10505 times:

It's interesting to see how slow it climbs  

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8234 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 10468 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 1):
With no ILS and only 7,500 ft of runway, that's a tough approach in bad weather for any widebody. I'm not surprised to see a go around.

While likely a visual approach considering the good visibility, 7500 feet is certainly challenging in those kind of winds. He had a pretty good crab angle going there for a while, and it looks like they got a decent sink as they crossed over land. Would be fun to watch, though, that's for sure! Then again, there isn't much of a beach there to enjoy...



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User currently offlinealphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 576 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10038 times:

Interesting to see the waves coming up against the rocks - I'm so used to having the lounge chairs from the bar in the sand, even at high tide (yes I know it was due to a tropical storm, just interesting to see Maho beach covered lol).

Quoting bakersdozen (Reply 2):
It's interesting to see how slow it climbs

HA!


User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9154 times:

Quoting bakersdozen (Reply 2):

It's interesting to see how slow it climbs  

Obviously this is in jest, but the climb performance there isn't actually too bad... And of course, it climbs very nicely with an engine out, which is the important part, and especially useful for SXM!



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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3070 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8511 times:

Did the divert to somewhere else?

User currently offlineBA747400 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7729 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 6):

Doesn't appear so; there's a link in the video description to the second (and sucessful) landing, about 15 minutes later.


User currently offlinethrufru From Marshall Islands, joined Feb 2009, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7159 times:

Don't forget, that even after the pilot initiates a go-around, it's not unusual for the aircraft to lose a significant amount of altitude. This looked like a normal approach to land and a standard decision to go-around. Nothing really out of the ordinary.

User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6147 times:

I've been in a couple of go arounds. One of them, due to strong cross-winds at BCN when coming in from FRA on a LH A320, was initiated once we were already over the runway, not more than a couple of seconds before the expected touch down. I didn't find it abnormal.


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User currently offlineCambridgeFlyer1 From UK - England, joined Jun 2012, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6088 times:

Quoting bakersdozen (Reply 2):

Haha! Back with the a343 power jokes  


User currently offlineflylku From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 806 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5324 times:

Is it just me or does it appear that he is carrying a tad bit more airspeed in the second video?


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User currently offlinexdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 638 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4745 times:

Quoting BA747400 (Reply 7):

just enough time for a change of underwear!


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26954 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 days ago) and read 4660 times:

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 4):

Interesting to see the waves coming up against the rocks - I'm so used to having the lounge chairs from the bar in the sand, even at high tide (yes I know it was due to a tropical storm, just interesting to see Maho beach covered lol).

Sure is  

Must have been some experience for those watching .


User currently offlinemoumou8891 From France, joined Dec 2005, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 hours ago) and read 3595 times:

Here is the HD version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWDOkmiJdHI&feature=g-upl


User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2314 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

Quoting bakersdozen (Reply 2):
It's interesting to see how slow it climbs

They don't climb - they get into ground effect, and rely on the curvature of the Earth to do the rest. 



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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3357 times:

Quoting thrufru (Reply 8):
Don't forget, that even after the pilot initiates a go-around, it's not unusual for the aircraft to lose a significant amount of altitude. This looked like a normal approach to land and a standard decision to go-around. Nothing really out of the ordinary

Here is a video of an NK A319 that did a go around at LAS a few weeks ago. You can see it still lose some altitude even after the engines spool up.

http://youtu.be/VpgmzyhmHxA


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6187 posts, RR: 30
Reply 17, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3338 times:
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Well, isn´t it SOP on go-arounds to not retract the gear until you have confirmed a Positive Rate of Climb? I assume this video illustrates why.


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3272 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 1):

Very late indeed and could've been a costly decision too... Remember the incident in Canada during a storm and aircraft ended up crash landing jumping the runway and into an embankment...

EK413



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7411 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 1):
That is very late to initiate a go around.
Quoting EK413 (Reply 18):
Very late indeed and could've been a costly decision too...

 

There is no "late Go Around" ... A late Go Around is the one that is not performed and the plane crashes ...
A Go Around can be performed even after the wheels touch the Rwy (happened to me at JFK last September).

By Definition, a Go Around is always "late" !!!!


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 19):

What is the cutoff for a go-around if that be the case...

EK413



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5601 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2876 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 18):
Very late indeed and could've been a costly decision too... Remember the incident in Canada during a storm and aircraft ended up crash landing jumping the runway and into an embankment...

That airplane never attempted a go-around.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2813 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 21):

& what is the cutoff to execute a go-around...?

EK413



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User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9033 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

Quoting bakersdozen (Thread starter):

Looks like they were landing with a tailwind.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 20):

Selecting reverse thrust.



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