AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 1, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10130 times:
COflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 289 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10051 times:
I live 3 blocks North of Rice Stadium. UCLA's 18 wheeler whizzed by with a police escort about 3 hours ago. Go Rice!
I've travelled with U of Houston a few times. Last season, they used a Continental 738. Eat Em Up, Coogs!
USAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1806 posts, RR: 10 Reply 3, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9903 times:
Washington State flew an AS 738 this afternoon LWS-PVU for tomorrow's game at BYU. Go Cougs!!!
dsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 808 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9772 times:
When the time comes for Boise State to play U of Hawaii the Bronco's will travel on a G4 757.
OT but look at all those GCN-LAS flights-are those just training (especially the 757's) or does G4 actually do sightseeing flights on mainline aircraft?
A detour is a choice between two tasks, each with its own pros and cons
JetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1613 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9638 times:
redzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9596 times:
N839MH From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 362 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9578 times:
Michigan and Alabama are flying to DFW on Delta this Friday for the big game on Saturday at Cowboys Stadium.
Michigan flying on a B757-300, Alabama on a B757-200. This game is so big that Delta has added extra sections
and will operate 8 B767-300's out on Sunday to handle all the extra people.
Should be good Delta plane spotting on Sunday in DFW.
This is a surprise. Considering that the Naval Academy is operated by the U.S. Navy, one would expect a charter aircraft to be a U.S. flag carrier.
Quoting N839MH (Reply 11): Michigan flying on a B757-300, Alabama on a B757-200. This game is so big that Delta has added extra sections and will operate 8 B767-300's out on Sunday to handle all the extra people.
Is AA operating any extra flights or flying larger aircraft between DFW and destinations in Alabama, as well as DTW?
USAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1806 posts, RR: 10 Reply 13, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9551 times:
Bluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3139 posts, RR: 8 Reply 14, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9472 times:
HAL should be transporting the University of Hawai‘i Warriors to LAX for their game against USC. The team leaves Thursday, and returns Sunday ...
The Warriors maybe 40-point underdogs, but i'm still rooting for the home team ... Go Warriors!
"The best use of your life will be to so live your life, that the use of your life will outlive your life" -- D Severn
us330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3746 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9217 times:
Quoting N839MH (Reply 11): Michigan and Alabama are flying to DFW on Delta this Friday for the big game on Saturday at Cowboys Stadium.
I can confirm the need for the extra capacity. Michigan was originally alotted 15,000 tickets, but was forced to request the maximum possible allotment of 30,000. Alabama sold 25,000 tickets.
Hopefully DFW non DL isnt that bad on sunday--I'm flying out on AA sunday morning.
ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4658 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9112 times:
Quoting us330 (Reply 16): I can confirm the need for the extra capacity. Michigan was originally alotted 15,000 tickets, but was forced to request the maximum possible allotment of 30,000.
I can believe it. I had planned to go to the game, but I'm not a season ticket holder or contributor to the Athletic Dept. Alumni higher on the priority list got all of the tickets.
So, instead of a weekend in Dallas, we're taking a vacation in October.
By the way, some of the flights on DTW-DFW Friday and DFW-DTW on Sunday are showing as unavailable for booking, and flights on ORD-DFW are also showing very full (lot's of U of M alumni in the Chicago area). I'm thinking that AA will be a bit busier than normal on the Sunday before Labor Day.
mikesairways From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 635 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9075 times:
Anyone know who is will be handling the charters for Stanford, SJSU or Santa Clara? Football (NFL and college) tend to bring a nice variety into SJC.
The red zone is for the immediate loading and unloading of passengers only, there is no stopping in the white zone...(Ai
DashTrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1314 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9011 times:
Quoting N839MH (Reply 11): This game is so big that Delta has added extra sections
and will operate 8 B767-300's out on Sunday to handle all the extra people.
They are also flying HSV and BHM - DFW segments with MD80s tomorrow and Sunday. War Damn Eagle, however.
TVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2200 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8982 times:
Quoting ckfred (Reply 12): This is a surprise. Considering that the Naval Academy is operated by the U.S. Navy, one would expect a charter aircraft to be a U.S. flag carrier.
I am not completely sure, but I believe this is a big promotional game involving Ireland tourism. And I believe the flights are subsidized ,partially or totally.
71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2736 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8935 times:
Quoting mikesairways (Reply 18): Anyone know who is will be handling the charters for Stanford, SJSU or Santa Clara? Football (NFL and college) tend to bring a nice variety into SJC.
Quoting ckfred (Reply 12): This is a surprise. Considering that the Naval Academy is operated by the U.S. Navy, one would expect a charter aircraft to be a U.S. flag carrier.
Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 21): I am not completely sure, but I believe this is a big promotional game involving Ireland tourism. And I believe the flights are subsidized ,partially or totally.
I am surprised that both flights weren't operated by EI, I guess they did not have the capacity to use 2 of their 7 A330 and thus disrupt normal schedules.
burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 27, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8883 times:
Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 23): I am surprised that both flights weren't operated by EI, I guess they did not have the capacity to use 2 of their 7 A330 and thus disrupt normal schedules.
Notre Dame has a charter agreement with DL (rolled over from NW).
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
Quoting N839MH (Reply 11): Michigan flying on a B757-300, Alabama on a B757-200. This game is so big that Delta has added extra sections
and will operate 8 B767-300's out on Sunday to handle all the extra people.
Looks like they upped to a 763. I've also noticed an upgauge on the usual DTW flights already. So far just MD80>752.
KingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1579 posts, RR: 2 Reply 29, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8854 times:
teneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 423 posts, RR: 0 Reply 31, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 8700 times:
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 35, posted (8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8157 times:
jetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2021 posts, RR: 1 Reply 36, posted (8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8078 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW FORUM MODERATOR
I know the University of North Dakota always uses Sun Country for football charters. My buddy and I always head over to watch the 737 come in since we don't get much variety up here. We may not be on Florida or Alabama's level, but we are Division 1!
Blue
Professor Foltz: You push down on that yolk, the houses get bigger, you pull back on the yolk, the houses get bigger.
USAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1806 posts, RR: 10 Reply 37, posted (8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8046 times:
Question for someone who knows more about this...I believe that in the past, the Hawaii football team has flown scheduled Hawaiian Airlines flights to/from the mainland, and then chartered from LAX/LAS/SFO/etc. to their destination. Has that changed with the move to the Mountain West, or are they still flying that way?
burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 38, posted (8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7951 times:
Quoting tb727 (Reply 33): Looks like ND's flight is diverting to DTW and not going to SBN...
Looks like it didn't divert.
Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 36): I know the University of North Dakota always uses Sun Country for football charters
Unless something changed last year, for the previous 3-4 years (before the 2011 season) they were using Allegiant all the time, before that they used a mix of SY and NW.
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14352 posts, RR: 26 Reply 40, posted (8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7744 times:
Quoting wjcandee (Reply 39): I thought the NCAA arranged the charters, not that any team had a "contract" with any carrier.
No, the team arranges for charters to their regular season games. For bowl games I'm pretty sure the bowl organizers arrange it (fan charters might be the university still). The NFL works similarly: teams are generally on their own but the NFL takes care of the trip to London if they have it.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
jetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2021 posts, RR: 1 Reply 41, posted (8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 7660 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW FORUM MODERATOR
Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 38): Unless something changed last year, for the previous 3-4 years (before the 2011 season) they were using Allegiant all the time, before that they used a mix of SY and NW.
I know last year it was for sure Sun Country. I used to hear them come in on LiveATC and I have seen them fly in twice. Always knew it was the team because you'd see an army of UND busses to pick them up.
Blue
Professor Foltz: You push down on that yolk, the houses get bigger, you pull back on the yolk, the houses get bigger.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 47, posted (8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7134 times:
Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 43): Washington @ LSU - AS 739 (first time Huskies in BTR since 1983)
GO HUSKIES! I know this is gonna be a loss for UW but, I'll be supporting them anyway! I'm just hoping we don't lose any more players to injuries.
mark8762 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 127 posts, RR: 0 Reply 48, posted (8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7130 times:
Quoting AltairF28 (Reply 8): OT but look at all those GCN-LAS flights-are those just training (especially the 757's) or does G4 actually do sightseeing flights on mainline aircraft?
All of those G4 flights to GCN were chartered by JTB (Japan Travel Bureau) taking Japanese tourists for day sightseeing trips. You should also see quite a few from LAS-SMF-LAS and LAS-OAK-LAS. These were taking them to the Blue Diamond factory and Napa Valley before returning to Japan. They only had passengers outbound and the returns were ferries to pick up more. It was more cost effective to time them to run a single plane back and forth rather than take 3 or 4 aircraft out of service to take them all at once, not to mention the ramp at GCN wouldnt have been able to handle that many MD80's and 757's all at once anyway.
flashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2863 posts, RR: 7 Reply 49, posted (8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7126 times:
Looks like the Fresno State Bulldogs took a B6 320 to EUG ... probably so they can watch TV on the way home after they get their butts whooped by the Ducks, I guess.
flashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2863 posts, RR: 7 Reply 50, posted (8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7123 times:
And... for anyone who actually cares about Oregon State...
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 51, posted (8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7100 times:
Quoting NWAESC (Reply 15): The road to glory goes through Autzen stadium...
Not anymore, not this year...... Gotta pass #1 USC first.
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
Georgia does the CRJ thing back all the time, don't remember doing it to the game,
normally bus to ATL and fly big from there.
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 47): GO HUSKIES! I know this is gonna be a loss for UW but, I'll be supporting them anyway! I'm just hoping we don't lose any more players to injuries.
Might be a tough game for LSU, rookie quarterback still learning and a 23.5 point favorite?
We will see.
wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4557 posts, RR: 17 Reply 53, posted (8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7055 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 40): No, the team arranges for charters to their regular season games.
Boy, I wouldn't think the universities would want the responsibility, or if they thought about it, that they would want the responsibility, particularly where they're chartering anything other than a major carrier. Also, if I'm a parent, and I think about it, I'm not sure I want my kid on a What-The-Hell Airlines charter, where they're not going to have the same safety and training culture as a Delta, jetBlue, Miami Air, World, North American and maybe Allegiant.
And please don't give me that "but they pass all the FAA requirements" nonsense. During the heyday of airlines like Sun Pacific, SunJet International, and operations that had one-or-two MD80s and would fly subservice for track charter operators, I was privy to too much information about flaws in the operation where people were just crossing their fingers. It almost never results in a fatal accident, but it does slice the margin of safety closer than it should be and than the unwitting think it is. When employees are saying, "It's only a matter of time", it's not good. They're almost always wrong, but there's that word "almost" again.
Hence my surprise when I saw some team charter on someone called World Atlantic Airlines (not to be confused with World Airways). They're the former Caribbean Sun Airlines, a single MD83 operator. Don't know anything else about them, but... Most people ddn't know anything about these guys, either: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJoXMcehrYo (capital airlines); compared to how it's supposed to be done: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw4PHhLBbrU
When Payne Stewart was killed on a SunJet-operated LearJet, the FAA came in and found training records to be a total mess. And then, embarrassed, they pulled the certificate of the chief pilot, the certificates of multiple airmen (some of whom had a zillion hours; I think there was 75,000 hours among three of them) and the operating certificate for good measure. It doesn't make me happy to see the regulators being that reactionary -- if it were that serious, they should have caught it earlier. And the point is that they don't.
I am not naive enough to think that airlines function entirely by the book, but the point is that the closer to the book, the safer the operation. Accidents often happen as a result of a series of complacent actions that would normally go unnoticed, because the unusual thing that the rule or checklist or procedure was designed to protect against rarely if ever happens. But the point was to have a protection against it if it did happen, and noncompliance can ultimately bite you when you aren't looking. A very fine example of that was Spanair, where the dufuses did actually did the callouts ("flaps", "check") without actually doing the checklist item. That kind of mistake doesn't ever happen in isolation. That's a culture failure.
Anyway, my kid is safer when the university charters Delta and its ilk. Will my kid arrive alive on East Appleseed Airlines? Yeah, he will. Except when he doesn't. And I am frankly surprised that an ass-covering bureaucracy like those in most-universities would not be taking that into consideration.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 54, posted (8 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7037 times:
Quoting wjcandee (Reply 53): Boy, I wouldn't think the universities would want the responsibility, or if they thought about it, that they would want the responsibility, particularly where they're chartering anything other than a major carrier.
It is the school's responsibility since it comes out if their budget, not the NCAA's. Every school has some form of travel agency and logistics in their athletic departments.
It's not your choice. These kids are adults, over 18. They can take care if themselves easily if their athletics department takes care if them. You are over thinking this. Give the schools some credit here. UW is using AS, for example. UW knows what they're doing. I think youre getting too worked up on this. You need to give the school the benefit of the doubt as they're the ones who are responsible for all travel during the regular season.
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
According to airport officials who witnessed the event, Allegiant Flight 4105 (N887GA) broke down one runway end light, markers that extend 20-25cm (8-10in) above the ground, and knocked the lens out of another light before leaving what appears to be a rut in the grass approximately 7.6m (25ft) long. The runway is 1,981m (6,500ft )long.
"When it got toward the end of the runway, we heard a loud pop and saw a debris field of grass and dirt about 60m in the air," says one witness. "Sight of the aircraft was lost in the dust cloud; shortly after the aircraft reappeared and continued on its departure."
Happened at LCH, think they fly out of CWF now with longer runway.
Quoting wjcandee (Reply 53): Hence my surprise when I saw some team charter on someone called World Atlantic Airlines
Alabama has flown Delta for decades but for the bowl game a couple years ago, the NCAA sends them a World Atlantic MD-83, and I was like what?, never heard of them before.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 58, posted (8 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6980 times:
Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 56):
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 54):
It is the school's responsibility since it comes out if their budget, not the NCAA's.
For Bowl games, I think the NCAA or some bowl comittee arranges the transportation.
They do, as I said earlier, except the bowl committee is the one that does ALL of the arrangements since they picked the teams:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 42): That's for NCAA Basketball during March Madness. For Football, the Bowl Committee does all that.
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4557 posts, RR: 17 Reply 60, posted (8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6937 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 54): It's not your choice. These kids are adults, over 18.
WTF? If I'm paying or subsidizing the tuition, I have one hell of a lot of say. And the kid hasn't really developed sufficient "executive function" to be looking after himself at the level of someone in their mid-20s, say. That's an anthropological fact. At 17, you still think you're invincible, and you're driven to a larger extent by certain drives than someone a little older. Regardless of this discussion, anyway, the kid has no choice what airline to fly if the school has booked it for him and he's supposed to fly with the team. Ask the parents at Marshall whether they worried about whether their kids would be coming back from that game. Probably not a one had a worry. Maybe they should have.
I saw that they had chartered that. Interesting pick with B6 out of FAT. I will say though, after living in PDX now for a year, I still have to root for my home town of Fresno for this game. All others go to Oregon (except U of M of course )
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 62, posted (8 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6818 times:
Quoting wjcandee (Reply 60): If I'm paying or subsidizing the tuition, I have one hell of a lot of say.
Fair point, but the school did not include you in the contract talks (why would they?). I think you're completely overreacting here. How do you think your kid would feel if he found out that his father was flipping out on A.net about the team charters? He would be grossly embarrassed to the point to where he wouldn't want your support anymore at games because you make it more difficult than it needs to be.
Trust the schools. That's all you can really do. If the parents had any say on team charters, it would make life much more difficult in athletic departments. The schools have hell of a lot more experience in this department than you do.
You need to chill out, relax and focus on supporting your kid, instead of the team charters. Let the athletic department do their jobs. And seeing that you are an A.net member, I'm surprised at the attitude you display on this issue. This, to me, looks like FlyerTalk attitude...... Just sayin.....
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4557 posts, RR: 17 Reply 64, posted (8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6604 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 62): you make it more difficult than it needs to be.
Relax, Francis.
All I am saying is that it is surprising to me that ass-covering bureaucracies like those at universities aren't more sensitive to issues of safety surrounding team charters. The moment that some Sun Atlantic Pacific Caribbean Airlines MD80 has the kind of incident that, say, Spirit had a few years ago, or worse, there will be all this "How come the school chartered these guys?" drama that the school could have avoided.
USAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1806 posts, RR: 10 Reply 65, posted (8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6552 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 62): I think you're completely overreacting here.
Agreed, but...
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 62): How do you think your kid would feel if he found out that his father was flipping out on A.net about the team charters? He would be grossly embarrassed to the point to where he wouldn't want your support anymore at games because you make it more difficult than it needs to be.
To claim to know how someone else's kid would react, and your estimation of said reaction, is also quite an overreach.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 66, posted (8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6427 times:
Quoting wjcandee (Reply 64): All I am saying is that it is surprising to me that ass-covering bureaucracies like those at universities aren't more sensitive to issues of safety surrounding team charters. The moment that some Sun Atlantic Pacific Caribbean Airlines MD80 has the kind of incident that, say, Spirit had a few years ago, or worse, there will be all this "How come the school chartered these guys?" drama that the school could have avoided.
So, are you suggesting that every university/college nationwide should gain access to every aircraft's MX records for the company they want to sign a contract with? Seriously?
Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 65): To claim to know how someone else's kid would react, and your estimation of said reaction, is also quite an overreach.
I disagree.
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
LV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1813 posts, RR: 0 Reply 67, posted (8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6424 times:
During the Mizzou/ Georgia game Saturday night ESPN commentators mentioned that DL (well, connection partners at least) has added flights to COU from ATL since Mizzou joined the SEC because there is more travel between COU and the Southeast now.
USAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1806 posts, RR: 10 Reply 68, posted (8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6280 times:
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 69, posted (8 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6267 times:
burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 70, posted (8 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6284 times:
Quoting LV (Reply 67): During the Mizzou/ Georgia game Saturday night ESPN commentators mentioned that DL (well, connection partners at least) has added flights to COU from ATL since Mizzou joined the SEC because there is more travel between COU and the Southeast now.
All the COU flights are moving to ATL, no longer will have service to MEM.
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
USAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1806 posts, RR: 10 Reply 71, posted (8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6247 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 62): He would be grossly embarrassed to the point to where he wouldn't want your support anymore at games because you make it more difficult than it needs to be.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 72, posted (8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6257 times:
Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 71): You claim to know how somebody else would feel:
Fair enough, but keep in mind, we were all young adults at one point. Remember what it was like being between the ages 17-24? You get my point.
My statement in reply 62 still stands.
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14352 posts, RR: 26 Reply 73, posted (8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6265 times:
Quoting wjcandee (Reply 53): Boy, I wouldn't think the universities would want the responsibility, or if they thought about it, that they would want the responsibility, particularly where they're chartering anything other than a major carrier.
They can afford it. I don't think any parents or students really know or care how they get to games. Besides, this is perfectly in character for schools where they make millions in revenue from athletics but a booster buying lunch for a player is strictly forbidden.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
The odd thing is that the flight is two legs, LYH - MSP then MSP - MSO. I'm surprised that the SY 738 can't do LYH - MSO non-stop. LYH has a 7100 foot runway, is that part of the problem here? Shouldn't a 738 be able to do this trip without (what I presume is) a fuel stop?
jetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2021 posts, RR: 1 Reply 76, posted (8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5993 times:
The odd thing is that the flight is two legs, LYH - MSP then MSP - MSO. I'm surprised that the SY 738 can't do LYH - MSO non-stop. LYH has a 7100 foot runway, is that part of the problem here? Shouldn't a 738 be able to do this trip without (what I presume is) a fuel stop?
Btw, check out the KUOX station activity for the past few days. Heard they've begun diverting private jets to KTUP and KMEM because there isn't anymore ramp space to hold all the planes!
We will ride this thunderbird, silver shadows on the earth, a thousand leagues away our land of birth... -Captain Bruce
USAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1806 posts, RR: 10 Reply 80, posted (8 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5971 times:
Washington State flew yesterday for tonight's game at UNLV - AS 738 LWS-LAS
N202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1549 posts, RR: 4 Reply 82, posted (8 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5904 times:
At the University of Virginia, we usually fly football charters on a Miami Air 738. For example, we flew to Atlanta this afternoon on one for our game at Georgia Tech tomorrow.
Other UVA team charters can be and usually are on different airlines, BTW. We've been on USA Jet, Allegiant, USA 3000 (before they folded), AirTran, Sun Country and AmeriJet, to name a few. Usually depends on who's the lowest bidder and who has a/c available.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 86, posted (8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5760 times:
I assume Portland State is going to bus up to Seattle to play Washington at CLink.
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
teneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 423 posts, RR: 0 Reply 87, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5517 times:
I saw 2 football charters on friday in ATL. I couldn't tell which team was on which plane and they were both Miami Air 738's. It was interesting that as the first one was departing the 2nd one was arriving.
71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2736 posts, RR: 0 Reply 88, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5494 times:
Quoting teneriffe77 (Reply 87): I saw 2 football charters on friday in ATL. I couldn't tell which team was on which plane and they were both Miami Air 738's. It was interesting that as the first one was departing the 2nd one was arriving.
teneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 423 posts, RR: 0 Reply 89, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5385 times:
Oh I wondered why there was a UA 738 parked in the air cargo area. I wonder why it didn't park in the GA area?
wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4557 posts, RR: 17 Reply 90, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5301 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 66): So, are you suggesting that every university/college nationwide should gain access to every aircraft's MX records for the company they want to sign a contract with? Seriously?
Actually, no. As I thought I said before, it isn't about maintenance, it's about the ops spec, training, time-in-type, safety culture, etc. Very hard to get that to the same level as a Miami Air (or World or a major) at a one-plane operation. The Spirit incident I referred to was the high-altitude-stall/upset followed by a crew coverup.
wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4557 posts, RR: 17 Reply 91, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5309 times:
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 73): I don't think any parents or students really know or care how they get to games.
Because they assume that the University is a sophisticated, safety-conscious consumer. Watch the scandal, followed by lawsuits, if that turns out not to be the case.
If the University would refuse to hire one of the so-called "Chinatown Bus" companies to do the ground charter these days, which certainly would be the case, why hire East Geezus Caribbean Airlines?
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 92, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5246 times:
I think this is more of a personal problem on your part than anything else. You don't trust the schools. The schools know what they're getting themselves into on travel arrangements. I trust the schools since they have the experience in this stuff.
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 94, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5134 times:
Quoting wjcandee (Reply 93): I am saying that some schools are hiring crap airlines. They are.
Humor me here for a second.... Who is hiring whom? And how are they "crap" airlines?
Quoting wjcandee (Reply 93): [ But you're trying to make this very, very personal./quote]
Me? No. You. See your own reply 60 as you are the one taking it personally:
[quote=wjcandee,reply=60]WTF? If I'm paying or subsidizing the tuition, I have one hell of a lot of say.
Just an observation......
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
And such a fine display of football it was lol. As a BSU fan, it was an embarrassment!!! Anyway, I am kind of amazed BYU flew up to Boise. A bus trip would have only been about 6 hours or so.
srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 102, posted (8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4338 times:
Please keep your posts relevant to the discussion. If you want to argue about the various charter airlines and their safety records, START A SEPARATE THREAD. Any further off topic posts in this thread WILL BE DELETED!
Alias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2644 posts, RR: 2 Reply 106, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3929 times:
Boise State Donkeys headed to Albuquerque to take on New Mexico.
redzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0 Reply 109, posted (7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3846 times:
Montana State going to Southern Utah on a F9 319. This is SUU's first season in the Big Sky and this is MSU's first ever visit to SUU. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the first commercial flight ever between BZN and CDC. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/F...8/history/20120928/1800Z/KBZN/KCDC
Note to other posters: I am particularly interested in the airline and aircraft used for the various charters. I would appreciate it if you can include that info in your post. Thanks!
jetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2021 posts, RR: 1 Reply 112, posted (7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3575 times:
redzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0 Reply 118, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2920 times:
Quoting mcg (Reply 117): So here is an interesting sequence:
Seems like a pretty efficient use of an aircraft to me.
Interesting. I wonder why Sac State chose to fly to SGU rather than CDC. Would maybe have been more efficient to start with BZN-SMF, then SMF-SGU, then SGU-LAS, rather than making two trips to SMF in the same day. Especially given the very short repositioning flight from SGU to LAS. Still pretty cool to see one aircraft moving two teams on the same day. Does the Big Sky conference help their schools coordinate charters?
Seems like a pretty efficient use of an aircraft to me.
Interesting. I wonder why Sac State chose to fly to SGU rather than CDC. Would maybe have been more efficient to start with BZN-SMF, then SMF-SGU, then SGU-LAS, rather than making two trips to SMF in the same day. Especially given the very short repositioning flight from SGU to LAS. Still pretty cool to see one aircraft moving two teams on the same day. Does the Big Sky conference help their schools coordinate charters?
I wonder if SGU had a longer runway. The Big Sky does not help coordinate charters. I thought this was a pretty slick operation though. I wonder how the money works out, because the repositioning flights are sort of the responsibility of both, so who pays? I suspect in the final analysis G4 gave both teams a price cheaper than each chartering separate aircraft.
USAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1806 posts, RR: 10 Reply 120, posted (7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2916 times:
Washington State @ Oregon State - Alaska 738 LWS-EUG
teneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 423 posts, RR: 0 Reply 122, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2769 times:
Pittsburgh @ Syracuse
Outbound on thursday and return on friday night (the game was played on friday night and SU won)
Super80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1637 posts, RR: 12 Reply 128, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2199 times:
Here's my Kansas State Wildcats heading to Ames, IA to play Iowa State. Go Wildcats!!
jetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2021 posts, RR: 1 Reply 129, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2176 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW FORUM MODERATOR
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE9122
Northern Arizona at North Dakota. Nice change seeing an A319 up here. My buddies and I ran over to see the beauty but just missed it. Must have been quite a ride on landing. We've had winds 23G30KT all afternoon. Even cancelled my training flight. They brought the plane empty back to PHX. Kind of surprised they brought it all the way back there. Though I suppose that was their only option.
Blue
Professor Foltz: You push down on that yolk, the houses get bigger, you pull back on the yolk, the houses get bigger.
MTNWEST1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2122 posts, RR: 1 Reply 130, posted (7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2157 times:
Seems kind of odd to me that FSU used JetBlue. But when you consider $$, might be a no-brainer. At least it is something different in BOI. Not usual G4 or F9.
Sponsor Message: 
From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 92 posts, 
From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1619 posts, 
From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2401 posts, 
)
From Bosnia and Herzegovina, joined Jun 2005, 847 posts, 
From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 502 posts, 
Printer friendly format 
