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Will KLM Restart MIA For The Winter?  
User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1022 posts, RR: 1
Posted (3 years 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4683 times:

I was reading the old "KLM keeps Miami" thread and was wondering if KLM will be reinstating the AMS-MIA route for the Winter? I haven't yet been able to find any hint of the flight being restarted.

Here's the old thread from last December:

KLM Keeps Miami (by mah4546 Dec 28 2011 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=5343898&searchid=5345232&s=MIAMI+KLM#ID5345232

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User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4426 times:

There are no plans to resume it this winter.


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6624 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4344 times:

I often wondered how KLM could not MIA work even on a 332 when it does well to some leisure destinations (long haul) that are far far smaller.....like CUR or BON. Yes, I know less competition, but still the metro area for MIA is huge.


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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4776 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4335 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 2):
I often wondered how KLM could not MIA work even on a 332 when it does well to some leisure destinations (long haul) that are far far smaller.....like CUR or BON. Yes, I know less competition, but still the metro area for MIA is huge.

CUR and BON are part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands and there are very strong cultural ties between the Netherlands and the islands. Therefore the amount of traffic is significantly larger than to for example MIA, which is primarily leisure only.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 18546 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4321 times:

I think we can put a fork in it. How many carriers have tried this how many times? This route does not work.


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offline777klm From China, joined Apr 2005, 547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4290 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
I think we can put a fork in it. How many carriers have tried this how many times? This route does not work.

Works well for ArkeFly



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User currently offlineairbuster From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4214 times:

Quoting 777klm (Reply 5):

Only twice a weak in combination with Orlando. That wouldn't work in KLM's business model.

And it's not as if KLM doesn't offer the route, it's just via CDG on AF. Seeing that 80% of pax for AFKL are connecting it doesn't matter if they connect through AMS or CDG. It's a one stop deal anyway for most of them.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 18546 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4147 times:

Quoting 777klm (Reply 5):
Works well for ArkeFly

Not after this Summer apparently; I don't see it loaded anywhere



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offline76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 601 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4089 times:

Bookable on ArkeFly.nl, it's still there.

The main reason IMHO that KL doesn't fly to MIA is rather simple: they can use their aircraft more profitably on other routes (read: Africa and China).


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 18546 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4079 times:

Quoting 76er (Reply 8):
The main reason IMHO that KL doesn't fly to MIA is rather simple: they can use their aircraft more profitably on other routes (read: Africa and China).





Or parking it and turning it into a hostel 



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1022 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (3 years 21 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

I'm not familiar with ArkeFly's product. Is it a decent flight to take or would it be a sardine can?

User currently offline76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 601 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3369 times:

Well, having ridden a NW333 last month, there's not much of a difference. Unless you get one of ArkeFly's 2-4-2 767s.   

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3812 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (2 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

MIA-AMS might be a route for AA to start if they want to try AMS. Problem is, as others have previously pointed out about AA in AMS, is the lack of connections at AMS.

Quoting 76er (Reply 11):
Unless you get one of ArkeFly's 2-4-2 767s

Oh geez, don't tell me airlines are starting to do this too like the awful 3-4-3 777s.


User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

Why use a plane on AMS-MIA when you can just route everything through Atlanta on either their own metal or DL?

User currently offline76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 601 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3072 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 12):
Oh geez, don't tell me airlines are starting to do this too like the awful 3-4-3 777s

There were 2-4-2 767s loooooong before the 777 even existed.


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3638 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2973 times:

Quoting 777klm (Reply 5):
Works well for ArkeFly

Apparently, the route can only support one carrier. When KL first discontinued AMS-MIA several years ago, it was due to competition from MP, who themselves discontinued the route in September 2009.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 27517 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (2 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

Quoting 76er (Reply 14):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 12):
Oh geez, don't tell me airlines are starting to do this too like the awful 3-4-3 777s

There were 2-4-2 767s loooooong before the 777 even existed.

But not on full-service scheduled carriers. The few 2-4-2 767s have only been operated by a handful of charter or leisure carriers, virtually all in Europe if not mistaken. 2-4-2 on a 767 (or 3-3-3 on an A330/340, also only used by a few charter/leisure carriers) is even worse than 3-4-3 on a 777 which is bad enough.


User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2655 times:

Quoting airbuster (Reply 6):
And it's not as if KLM doesn't offer the route, it's just via CDG on AF. Seeing that 80% of pax for AFKL are connecting it doesn't matter if they connect through AMS or CDG. It's a one stop deal anyway for most of them.

AF is leaving MCO... KL could have a spot. At 80% load factor and especially a lot of connecting traffic might be worth it.


User currently offline76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 601 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 12 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2515 times:

Even with 100% LF it still won't be profitable due to low yields.

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