Navion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 981 posts, RR: 1 Posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3143 times:
I was reading the old "KLM keeps Miami" thread and was wondering if KLM will be reinstating the AMS-MIA route for the Winter? I haven't yet been able to find any hint of the flight being restarted.
Here's the old thread from last December:
KLM Keeps Miami (by mah4546 Dec 28 2011 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=5343898&searchid=5345232&s=MIAMI+KLM#ID5345232
yellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5159 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2804 times:
I often wondered how KLM could not MIA work even on a 332 when it does well to some leisure destinations (long haul) that are far far smaller.....like CUR or BON. Yes, I know less competition, but still the metro area for MIA is huge.
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JRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4598 posts, RR: 51 Reply 3, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2795 times:
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 2): I often wondered how KLM could not MIA work even on a 332 when it does well to some leisure destinations (long haul) that are far far smaller.....like CUR or BON. Yes, I know less competition, but still the metro area for MIA is huge.
CUR and BON are part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands and there are very strong cultural ties between the Netherlands and the islands. Therefore the amount of traffic is significantly larger than to for example MIA, which is primarily leisure only.
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MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15726 posts, RR: 47 Reply 4, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2781 times:
I think we can put a fork in it. How many carriers have tried this how many times? This route does not work.
Only twice a weak in combination with Orlando. That wouldn't work in KLM's business model.
And it's not as if KLM doesn't offer the route, it's just via CDG on AF. Seeing that 80% of pax for AFKL are connecting it doesn't matter if they connect through AMS or CDG. It's a one stop deal anyway for most of them.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15726 posts, RR: 47 Reply 7, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2607 times:
76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 410 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2549 times:
Bookable on ArkeFly.nl, it's still there.
The main reason IMHO that KL doesn't fly to MIA is rather simple: they can use their aircraft more profitably on other routes (read: Africa and China).
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15726 posts, RR: 47 Reply 9, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2539 times:
Quoting 76er (Reply 8): The main reason IMHO that KL doesn't fly to MIA is rather simple: they can use their aircraft more profitably on other routes (read: Africa and China).
BoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2307 posts, RR: 7 Reply 12, posted (8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1643 times:
MIA-AMS might be a route for AA to start if they want to try AMS. Problem is, as others have previously pointed out about AA in AMS, is the lack of connections at AMS.
Quoting 76er (Reply 11): Unless you get one of ArkeFly's 2-4-2 767s
Oh geez, don't tell me airlines are starting to do this too like the awful 3-4-3 777s.
Apparently, the route can only support one carrier. When KL first discontinued AMS-MIA several years ago, it was due to competition from MP, who themselves discontinued the route in September 2009.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21478 posts, RR: 24 Reply 16, posted (8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1394 times:
Quoting 76er (Reply 14): Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 12):
Oh geez, don't tell me airlines are starting to do this too like the awful 3-4-3 777s
There were 2-4-2 767s loooooong before the 777 even existed.
But not on full-service scheduled carriers. The few 2-4-2 767s have only been operated by a handful of charter or leisure carriers, virtually all in Europe if not mistaken. 2-4-2 on a 767 (or 3-3-3 on an A330/340, also only used by a few charter/leisure carriers) is even worse than 3-4-3 on a 777 which is bad enough.
fpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 754 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1115 times:
Quoting airbuster (Reply 6): And it's not as if KLM doesn't offer the route, it's just via CDG on AF. Seeing that 80% of pax for AFKL are connecting it doesn't matter if they connect through AMS or CDG. It's a one stop deal anyway for most of them.
AF is leaving MCO... KL could have a spot. At 80% load factor and especially a lot of connecting traffic might be worth it.
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