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Will KLM Restart MIA For The Winter?  
User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1021 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4603 times:

I was reading the old "KLM keeps Miami" thread and was wondering if KLM will be reinstating the AMS-MIA route for the Winter? I haven't yet been able to find any hint of the flight being restarted.

Here's the old thread from last December:

KLM Keeps Miami (by mah4546 Dec 28 2011 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=5343898&searchid=5345232&s=MIAMI+KLM#ID5345232

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User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 820 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4346 times:

There are no plans to resume it this winter.


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6580 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4264 times:

I often wondered how KLM could not MIA work even on a 332 when it does well to some leisure destinations (long haul) that are far far smaller.....like CUR or BON. Yes, I know less competition, but still the metro area for MIA is huge.


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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4768 posts, RR: 48
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4255 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 2):
I often wondered how KLM could not MIA work even on a 332 when it does well to some leisure destinations (long haul) that are far far smaller.....like CUR or BON. Yes, I know less competition, but still the metro area for MIA is huge.

CUR and BON are part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands and there are very strong cultural ties between the Netherlands and the islands. Therefore the amount of traffic is significantly larger than to for example MIA, which is primarily leisure only.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 18396 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4241 times:

I think we can put a fork in it. How many carriers have tried this how many times? This route does not work.


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offline777klm From China, joined Apr 2005, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
I think we can put a fork in it. How many carriers have tried this how many times? This route does not work.

Works well for ArkeFly



Next flight: AMS-PEK
User currently offlineairbuster From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4134 times:

Quoting 777klm (Reply 5):

Only twice a weak in combination with Orlando. That wouldn't work in KLM's business model.

And it's not as if KLM doesn't offer the route, it's just via CDG on AF. Seeing that 80% of pax for AFKL are connecting it doesn't matter if they connect through AMS or CDG. It's a one stop deal anyway for most of them.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 18396 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4067 times:

Quoting 777klm (Reply 5):
Works well for ArkeFly

Not after this Summer apparently; I don't see it loaded anywhere



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offline76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4009 times:

Bookable on ArkeFly.nl, it's still there.

The main reason IMHO that KL doesn't fly to MIA is rather simple: they can use their aircraft more profitably on other routes (read: Africa and China).


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 18396 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3999 times:

Quoting 76er (Reply 8):
The main reason IMHO that KL doesn't fly to MIA is rather simple: they can use their aircraft more profitably on other routes (read: Africa and China).





Or parking it and turning it into a hostel 



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1021 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3579 times:

I'm not familiar with ArkeFly's product. Is it a decent flight to take or would it be a sardine can?

User currently offline76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3289 times:

Well, having ridden a NW333 last month, there's not much of a difference. Unless you get one of ArkeFly's 2-4-2 767s.   

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3666 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3103 times:

MIA-AMS might be a route for AA to start if they want to try AMS. Problem is, as others have previously pointed out about AA in AMS, is the lack of connections at AMS.

Quoting 76er (Reply 11):
Unless you get one of ArkeFly's 2-4-2 767s

Oh geez, don't tell me airlines are starting to do this too like the awful 3-4-3 777s.


User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1516 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3024 times:

Why use a plane on AMS-MIA when you can just route everything through Atlanta on either their own metal or DL?

User currently offline76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2992 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 12):
Oh geez, don't tell me airlines are starting to do this too like the awful 3-4-3 777s

There were 2-4-2 767s loooooong before the 777 even existed.


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3572 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2893 times:

Quoting 777klm (Reply 5):
Works well for ArkeFly

Apparently, the route can only support one carrier. When KL first discontinued AMS-MIA several years ago, it was due to competition from MP, who themselves discontinued the route in September 2009.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 27211 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2854 times:

Quoting 76er (Reply 14):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 12):
Oh geez, don't tell me airlines are starting to do this too like the awful 3-4-3 777s

There were 2-4-2 767s loooooong before the 777 even existed.

But not on full-service scheduled carriers. The few 2-4-2 767s have only been operated by a handful of charter or leisure carriers, virtually all in Europe if not mistaken. 2-4-2 on a 767 (or 3-3-3 on an A330/340, also only used by a few charter/leisure carriers) is even worse than 3-4-3 on a 777 which is bad enough.


User currently offlinefpetrutiu From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

Quoting airbuster (Reply 6):
And it's not as if KLM doesn't offer the route, it's just via CDG on AF. Seeing that 80% of pax for AFKL are connecting it doesn't matter if they connect through AMS or CDG. It's a one stop deal anyway for most of them.

AF is leaving MCO... KL could have a spot. At 80% load factor and especially a lot of connecting traffic might be worth it.


User currently offline76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2435 times:

Even with 100% LF it still won't be profitable due to low yields.

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