757gb From Uruguay, joined Feb 2009, 668 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 51157 times:
Quoting from previous thread - SCL767:
"There will also be a big ceremony at SCL on 01SEP to welcome CC-BBA to its home."
Do you know if it can be viewed online? Unlikely I know but it is a historic moment. I don't know if it's happened before but it seems like a big deal for a South American carrier to be the fourth operator of a new type.
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SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8532 posts, RR: 5 Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 51093 times:
Quoting 757gb (Reply 3): Do you know if it can be viewed online? Unlikely I know but it is a historic moment. I don't know if it's happened before but it seems like a big deal for a South American carrier to be the fourth operator of a new type.
The Chilean press is in Seattle to cover LAN's delivery ceremonies and will be on the delivery flight as well. The press will also cover the arrival of CC-BBA at SCL and LAN will release videos and photos of the arrival of CC-BBA.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5572 posts, RR: 49 Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 51084 times:
Can anyone confirm the contractual handover of LN 67 and LN 68 too both LAN and ANA? The LAN contractual delivery was to have been done 2 days ago on the 28th while the ANA handover is to be done today? I'm not holding out that JAL or Air India will be contactually delivered by today.
lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11923 posts, RR: 100 Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 50968 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 1): We should find out about deliveries to ANA, JAL and Air India (hopefully). LAN is a sdone deal though I'm not as hopeful on JAL being delivered today.
To anyone who might know: Did the expected JAL delivery (I'm forgetting the tail number) ever have its C1 flight?
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 5): I'm not holding out that JAL or Air India will be contactually delivered by today.
May I admit to being guilty of it in the last thread, but I hope we can keep the discussion on the "Airline that shall not be named" to a minimum in this thread. Oh, please update with your very informative posts, this is for others to not sidetrack the discussion and instead please have details of that airlines issues discussed in the appropriate thread: Indian Aviation Thread # 99 (by aeroblogger Aug 8 2012 in Civil Aviation)
As a fan of the latest technology (I am in Aerospace R&D, its in the blood), it makes me sad to see the difficulties in mass producing these types.
But it pales versus the issues with the B-29 (I just finished the book "Freedom's Forge," quite worth the read.) I personally think the industry has retired too many of those who know how to get a new type into production or that the new types are too different that the lessons learned in the past are not applying.
I have faith we'll see high deliveries of 787s. Its just when I might question...
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 4): LAN will release videos and photos of the arrival of CC-BBA.
I'm betting LAN is going to be *extremely* proactive in ETOPS 330 certification. I know the Trent's have ETOPS 330 cert and discovered recently that I missed the GEnX receiving such cert too. But whatabout the 787 airframe itself? I haven't seen much information on the airframe in a year since Boeing admitted they had to do a software change to meet the rules: http://flightaware.com/squawks/view/...on_Delayed_For_Software_Adjustment
A month ago there was quite a bit of news on how the 787 was "Intended" to have ETOPS 330 that is supposed to happen before the UA delivery (for a route that is now cancelled). But I haven't seen anything new on the 787s ETOPS 330 status that is more than speculation. Any information?
WarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 574 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 50805 times:
Although not as exciting as the upcoming deliveries, Jon Ostrower's recent WSJ article on the activation of the Surge Line had some interesting nuggets of production info. that I did not see reported elsewhere:
-- Everett's output will now climb to 4 frames/month - two on each line.
-- Workers will move back and forth between the two Everett lines rather than duplicating workers at each position.
-- It was reported elsewhere that the Surge Line will mirror only positions 1-3 of the Main Line. All Surge Line frames will be moved to the Main Line for Position 4 work.
-- Employee sources confirmed the Surge Line to assemble the first -9.
-- Surge Line is production risk mitigator for N. Chs. FAL. No indication as to whether the line will be dismantled once N. Chs. is running at intended capacity.
-- Once production reaches 10 frames/month in Dec 2013 - each of the three lines will produce 3.5 frames/month.
-- If production goes to 14/month, 7 frames will be built in Everett and 7 in N. Chs.; which has room to grow. (This raised an eyebrow).
-- N. Chs. is expected to hit 3.5 frames/month by Q2/2013 - ahead of schedule.
[I've tried to post a link to Jon's article but it is not being picked-up by this site]
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 28571 posts, RR: 84 Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 50646 times:
Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 8): If production goes to 14/month, 7 frames will be built in Everett and 7 in N. Chs.; which has room to grow. (This raised an eyebrow).
Having room for additional lines at CHS sounds logical since it both allows for higher production rates in tandem with PAE and should PAE close due to a natural disaster or labor unrest, CHS is able to pick up more of the production load.
Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 8): [I've tried to post a link to Jon's article but it is not being picked-up by this site]
WSJ is a pay site, but you can bypass it by using Google News.
ER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2349 posts, RR: 7 Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 50169 times:
Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 8): -- Everett's output will now climb to 4 frames/month - two on each line.
Hope they find places to put 'em as they roll off the line - pretty crowded out on the apron at PAE these days.
The ones requiring change incorporation need to get finished pronto so they can get into customers' hands.
WarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 574 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 50174 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 15): There's a Tweet by Ghim Lay Yeo of Flightglobal saying that Boeing will be going to 5/month on the 787 rate starting next month. Trying to confirm.
This seems highly plausible.
KarelXWB calculated in the previous thread that N CHS. was already close to 1 frame a month and we know from above that N. CHS production ramp-up is ahead of schedule and that the Surge Line will allow Everett to assemble four a month.
From KarelXWB "Based on the same calculation the roll out rate at Charleston is currently 1 frame every 41 days. I hope they can reach 1 roll out a month by the end of the year."
[quote=WarpSpeed (Reply 8): Everett's output will now climb to 4 frames/month - two on each line.
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5572 posts, RR: 49 Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 49821 times:
No the plan was never 12/month from Everett. The original plan was 7/month before all the delays started to push the schedule to the right. Everett can only produce 7/month without the surge line. In 2009 Boeing decided to establish the 2nd line to help get deliveries back on track . That's how the Charleston line came to be. Boeing recognize that the CHS line will take a while to ramp up so they decided to create a surge line that would be tporary and help Boeing get to the 10 rate sooner. Once CHS is at 3/month then the surge line will be deactivated unless Boeing wants to go higher than 10.
dynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 823 posts, RR: 8 Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 48749 times:
Quoting ncfc99 (Reply 19): Was the original target of 12 frames per month supposed to be all from Seattle? If they can only get 7 per month from each location, isn't that a huge miscalculation by someone?
No, the original plan was 10/month from Everett on 1 line. Still a big miscalculation.
par13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 6499 posts, RR: 8 Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 48054 times:
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 21): Once CHS is at 3/month then the surge line will be deactivated unless Boeing wants to go higher than 10.
So that means that they will maintain their original production schedule numbers even though they are years behind?
I would had hoped they would maintain the line until they cleared all backlog, hope springs eternal. Years of work paying additional staff, but that's how far out the delivery of frames went.
25 WarpSpeed: IIRC, this was predicated on the FAL being able to "snap together" the 787 in 3 days. This was done virtually to much hoopla as noted in the article
26 ncfc99: The above quotes from the post from Warpspeed are what made me ask the question. But it seems it was 10 per month originally, all from one line in Ev
27 lightsaber: See below, that was with a 2nd production line. 7 per month per line. From 2006: According to a key 787 partner in Italy, Boeing plans to raise the p
28 SCL767: Awesome! Boeing released this video today taken during FIDAE 2012 at SCL: LAN prepares for the Boeing 787 Dreamliner
29 SCL767: LAN CC-BBA ready for delivery tomorrow: http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/7897723114/in/photostream LAN CC-BBB on the ramp: http://www.flickr.com/pho
30 kanban: RE rates... I love how people take 6 year old guess-timates and want to hold people accountable years later when it is obvious that the process was no