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787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3432 posts, RR: 26
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 52359 times:
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This is a continuation thread of part 7 which can be found here: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 7

Please feel free to rejoin the discussion in this part of the series. Enjoy the website!  


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5675 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 52211 times:

Today should be a big day. We should find out about deliveries to ANA, JAL and Air India (hopefully). LAN is a sdone deal though I'm not as hopeful on JAL being delivered today.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29694 posts, RR: 84
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 52136 times:
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The following are thanks to United787:

17 Frames Confirmed Delivered to Date.

L/N 08 - JA801A - 9/25/2011 - NH #1
L/N 24 - JA802A - 10/13/2011 - NH #2
L/N 31 - JA805A - 12/30/2011 - NH #3
L/N 41 - JA807A - 1/12/2012 - NH #4
L/N 09 - JA804A - 1/13/2012 - NH #5
L/N 23 - JA822J - 3/25/2012 - JL #1
L/N 33 - JA825J - 3/25/2012 - JL #2
L/N 40 - JA806A - 3/29/2012 - NH #6
L/N 42 - JA808A - 4/14/2012 - NH #7
L/N 37 - JA826J - 4/25/2012 - JL #3
L/N 38 - JA827J - 4/25/2012 - JL #4
L/N 47 - JA809A - 6/20/2012 - NH #8
L/N 48 - JA810A - 6/24/2012 - NH #9
L/N 56 - JA812A - 6/30/2012 - NH #10
L/N 51 - JA811A - 7/16/2012 - NH #11
L/N 49 - ET-AOQ - 8/14/2012 - ET #1
L/N 07 - JA803A - 8/20/2012 - NH #12


User currently offline757gb From Uruguay, joined Feb 2009, 676 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 51930 times:

Quoting from previous thread - SCL767:

"There will also be a big ceremony at SCL on 01SEP to welcome CC-BBA to its home."

Do you know if it can be viewed online? Unlikely I know but it is a historic moment. I don't know if it's happened before but it seems like a big deal for a South American carrier to be the fourth operator of a new type.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8610 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 51866 times:
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Quoting 757gb (Reply 3):
Do you know if it can be viewed online? Unlikely I know but it is a historic moment. I don't know if it's happened before but it seems like a big deal for a South American carrier to be the fourth operator of a new type.

The Chilean press is in Seattle to cover LAN's delivery ceremonies and will be on the delivery flight as well. The press will also cover the arrival of CC-BBA at SCL and LAN will release videos and photos of the arrival of CC-BBA.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5675 posts, RR: 48
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 51857 times:

Can anyone confirm the contractual handover of LN 67 and LN 68 too both LAN and ANA? The LAN contractual delivery was to have been done 2 days ago on the 28th while the ANA handover is to be done today? I'm not holding out that JAL or Air India will be contactually delivered by today.


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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12443 posts, RR: 100
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 51741 times:
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Quoting NYC777 (Reply 1):
We should find out about deliveries to ANA, JAL and Air India (hopefully). LAN is a sdone deal though I'm not as hopeful on JAL being delivered today.

To anyone who might know: Did the expected JAL delivery (I'm forgetting the tail number) ever have its C1 flight?

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 5):
I'm not holding out that JAL or Air India will be contactually delivered by today.

May I admit to being guilty of it in the last thread, but I hope we can keep the discussion on the "Airline that shall not be named" to a minimum in this thread. Oh, please update with your very informative posts, this is for others to not sidetrack the discussion and instead please have details of that airlines issues discussed in the appropriate thread:
Indian Aviation Thread # 99 (by aeroblogger Aug 8 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Or... someone may start a thread for the topic.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
17 Frames Confirmed Delivered to Date.

As a fan of the latest technology (I am in Aerospace R&D, its in the blood), it makes me sad to see the difficulties in mass producing these types.

But it pales versus the issues with the B-29 (I just finished the book "Freedom's Forge," quite worth the read.)    I personally think the industry has retired too many of those who know how to get a new type into production or that the new types are too different that the lessons learned in the past are not applying.  

I have faith we'll see high deliveries of 787s. Its just when I might question...

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 4):
LAN will release videos and photos of the arrival of CC-BBA.

I'm betting LAN is going to be *extremely* proactive in ETOPS 330 certification. I know the Trent's have ETOPS 330 cert and discovered recently that I missed the GEnX receiving such cert too. But whatabout the 787 airframe itself? I haven't seen much information on the airframe in a year since Boeing admitted they had to do a software change to meet the rules:
http://flightaware.com/squawks/view/...on_Delayed_For_Software_Adjustment

A month ago there was quite a bit of news on how the 787 was "Intended" to have ETOPS 330 that is supposed to happen before the UA delivery (for a route that is now cancelled). But I haven't seen anything new on the 787s ETOPS 330 status that is more than speculation. Any information?


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5675 posts, RR: 48
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 51647 times:

What time is the LAN 787 supposed to leave Everett tomorrow? Congrats to LAN on becoming the 4th operator of the 787. The airline that shall not be named is falling behind, yet again.


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User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 577 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 51578 times:

Although not as exciting as the upcoming deliveries, Jon Ostrower's recent WSJ article on the activation of the Surge Line had some interesting nuggets of production info. that I did not see reported elsewhere:

-- Everett's output will now climb to 4 frames/month - two on each line.

-- Workers will move back and forth between the two Everett lines rather than duplicating workers at each position.

-- It was reported elsewhere that the Surge Line will mirror only positions 1-3 of the Main Line. All Surge Line frames will be moved to the Main Line for Position 4 work.

-- Employee sources confirmed the Surge Line to assemble the first -9.

-- Surge Line is production risk mitigator for N. Chs. FAL. No indication as to whether the line will be dismantled once N. Chs. is running at intended capacity.

-- Once production reaches 10 frames/month in Dec 2013 - each of the three lines will produce 3.5 frames/month.

-- If production goes to 14/month, 7 frames will be built in Everett and 7 in N. Chs.; which has room to grow. (This raised an eyebrow).

-- N. Chs. is expected to hit 3.5 frames/month by Q2/2013 - ahead of schedule.

[I've tried to post a link to Jon's article but it is not being picked-up by this site]



[Edited 2012-08-30 09:15:00]


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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8610 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 51559 times:
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Quoting lightsaber (Reply 6):
I'm betting LAN is going to be *extremely* proactive in ETOPS 330 certification.

I'm sure that NZ will as well...

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 7):
What time is the LAN 787 supposed to leave Everett tomorrow?

Around 17:00PDT and should arrive at SCL on Saturday around 09:00CLT. The weather in Santiago on Saturday is expected to be sunny and clear.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 7):
Congrats to LAN on becoming the 4th operator of the 787.

Very historic moment for LAN Airlines and South American aviation.   


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29694 posts, RR: 84
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 51419 times:
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Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 8):
If production goes to 14/month, 7 frames will be built in Everett and 7 in N. Chs.; which has room to grow. (This raised an eyebrow).


Having room for additional lines at CHS sounds logical since it both allows for higher production rates in tandem with PAE and should PAE close due to a natural disaster or labor unrest, CHS is able to pick up more of the production load.



Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 8):
[I've tried to post a link to Jon's article but it is not being picked-up by this site]

WSJ is a pay site, but you can bypass it by using Google News.


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8610 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 51349 times:
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Matt Cawby just tweeted:

Quote:
LAN 787 CC-BBA will move to kilo north on Friday for the delivery


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5675 posts, RR: 48
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 51099 times:

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 9):
Very historic moment for LAN Airlines and South American aviation.

Getting word that CC-BBA is officially in LAN's hands as of Aug. 28th. Ceremonial handover today and fly away tomorrow.



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User currently offlinenomadd22 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 51080 times:

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 8):
N. Chs. is expected to hit 3.5 frames/month by Q2/2013 - ahead of schedule.

"Ahead of schedule"? The phrase sounds familiar, but I haven't heard it in so long I'm not sure what it means.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5675 posts, RR: 48
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 51034 times:

LAN's 1st '87 is moving to Kilo North in about 40 minutes according to Matt Cawby.


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5675 posts, RR: 48
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 51003 times:

There's a Tweet by Ghim Lay Yeo of Flightglobal saying that Boeing will be going to 5/month on the 787 rate starting next month. Trying to confirm.


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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2436 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 50942 times:

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 8):
-- Everett's output will now climb to 4 frames/month - two on each line.

Hope they find places to put 'em as they roll off the line - pretty crowded out on the apron at PAE these days.
The ones requiring change incorporation need to get finished pronto so they can get into customers' hands.


User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 577 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 50947 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 15):
There's a Tweet by Ghim Lay Yeo of Flightglobal saying that Boeing will be going to 5/month on the 787 rate starting next month. Trying to confirm.

This seems highly plausible.

KarelXWB calculated in the previous thread that N CHS. was already close to 1 frame a month and we know from above that N. CHS production ramp-up is ahead of schedule and that the Surge Line will allow Everett to assemble four a month.

From KarelXWB "Based on the same calculation the roll out rate at Charleston is currently 1 frame every 41 days. I hope they can reach 1 roll out a month by the end of the year."

[quote=WarpSpeed (Reply 8):
Everett's output will now climb to 4 frames/month - two on each line.



[Edited 2012-08-30 11:58:33]


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Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 50812 times:

Charleston has been handicapped by doing all rework on FAL, Everett has a separate EMC for this, but Charleston has only one rework bird left to do, LN65.

I expect to see them up the rate after that one is done.


User currently offlinencfc99 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 730 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 50743 times:

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 8):
If production goes to 14/month, 7 frames will be built in Everett and 7 in N. Chs.; which has room to grow. (This raised an eyebrow).

Was the original target of 12 frames per month supposed to be all from Seattle? If they can only get 7 per month from each location, isn't that a huge miscalculation by someone?


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Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 50725 times:

The CEO that left told Charleston that they will make 7 airframes a month, that is however a long term plan.

I think 10 was the original target, before Charleston. That would have calculated with the current surge line I am sure, the old 767 line iirc..


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5675 posts, RR: 48
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 50594 times:

No the plan was never 12/month from Everett. The original plan was 7/month before all the delays started to push the schedule to the right. Everett can only produce 7/month without the surge line. In 2009 Boeing decided to establish the 2nd line to help get deliveries back on track . That's how the Charleston line came to be. Boeing recognize that the CHS line will take a while to ramp up so they decided to create a surge line that would be tporary and help Boeing get to the 10 rate sooner. Once CHS is at 3/month then the surge line will be deactivated unless Boeing wants to go higher than 10.

[Edited 2012-08-30 13:13:35]


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User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 577 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 50203 times:

Quoting ncfc99 (Reply 19):
isn't that a huge miscalculation by someone?

Let just say there's been a LOT of miscalculations in the 787 program....  



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User currently offlinedynamicsguy From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 851 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 49522 times:

Quoting ncfc99 (Reply 19):
Was the original target of 12 frames per month supposed to be all from Seattle? If they can only get 7 per month from each location, isn't that a huge miscalculation by someone?

No, the original plan was 10/month from Everett on 1 line. Still a big miscalculation.


User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 6738 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 48827 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 21):
Once CHS is at 3/month then the surge line will be deactivated unless Boeing wants to go higher than 10.

So that means that they will maintain their original production schedule numbers even though they are years behind?
I would had hoped they would maintain the line until they cleared all backlog, hope springs eternal. Years of work paying additional staff, but that's how far out the delivery of frames went.


25 Post contains links WarpSpeed : IIRC, this was predicated on the FAL being able to "snap together" the 787 in 3 days. This was done virtually to much hoopla as noted in the article
26 ncfc99 : The above quotes from the post from Warpspeed are what made me ask the question. But it seems it was 10 per month originally, all from one line in Ev
27 Post contains links and images lightsaber : See below, that was with a 2nd production line. 7 per month per line. From 2006: According to a key 787 partner in Italy, Boeing plans to raise the p
28 Post contains links and images SCL767 : Awesome! Boeing released this video today taken during FIDAE 2012 at SCL: LAN prepares for the Boeing 787 Dreamliner
29 Post contains links SCL767 : LAN CC-BBA ready for delivery tomorrow: http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/7897723114/in/photostream LAN CC-BBB on the ramp: http://www.flickr.com/pho
30 kanban : RE rates... I love how people take 6 year old guess-timates and want to hold people accountable years later when it is obvious that the process was no
31 JoeCanuck : I chortled out loud at that.
32 tdscanuck : All the 787 ETOPS flight testing was done to 330 minutes, and the engines were certified to 330 minutes...assuming they do the aforementioned fuel qu
33 Post contains images PHX787 : Congrats indeed! the LAN livery on the 87 is so beautiful! Soooooo I missed the end of pt. 7 and I'm having issues loading it....did AI's plane land
34 Post contains images aeroblogger : no. Still sitting at the delivery building at CHS.
35 Post contains images RAGAZZO777 : Meanwhile, LAN is officially becoming the 4th airline to operate the 787. Also, it's the 1st airline from the Americas to operate the Dreamliner !
36 Post contains images SCL767 : LAN's ceremony yesterday concluded with a late night cocktail party right next to CC-BBA that lasted until 1AMPDT. South American style!
37 lightsaber : Does that translate to the fuel quantity system being the last hurdle for ETOPS 330? If so, that implies some additional test flights. Although, most
38 Post contains images par13del : Kindly observe the non-official A.net etiquette listed below put in place for this thread. Thanks
39 817Dreamliiner : So whos next in line to get the 787 (new operaters)? QR would be surely next, who gets after that? UA maybe?
40 PHX787 : Gotcha! Sorry (that reply was collapsed when I read the thread) Sounds good. So who's next then? Anyone have any updates from "All Things 787?"
41 Post contains links rotating14 : Nothing at the moment, just rate increase updates. http://nyc787.blogspot.com/
42 tdscanuck : As far as I know, yes. Only if the change to the fuel quantity system (I'm not sure what the change is) actually requires a flight test to certify...
43 NYC777 : BGoeing officially delivered 4 787s in August, an improvement from previous months and deliveries outpaced production output for the first time which
44 Post contains images United787 : Thanks again to NYC777 (All Things 787)!!! 19 Delivered to Date L/N 8 - JA801A - 9/25/2011 - NH #1 L/N 24 - JA802A - 10/13/2011 - NH #2 L/N 31 - JA805
45 Post contains images aeroblogger : VT-ANJ will not be delivered in September. Early October is the current prediction, which means early December is probably a good time to expect it. [
46 Post contains images Someone83 : No, just as we didn't see the 7 or 8 deliveries predicted for August in late July
47 sweair : I think we should see more than 4 in September, 5-6 frames.
48 Post contains images 757gb : I liked how you pulled that off without mentioning the airline that shall not be named...
49 Post contains links Capt747ret : Maybe this will shed some light on AI http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...03.ece?ref=wl_industry-and-economy Singh, in reply to a question in Lok S
50 Capt747ret : From AW&ST: ANA’s 787-8’s Pax configurations International long-haul 158 seats International short-haul 222 seats Domestic service 335 seats
51 mham001 : I don't understand why those planes would be any higher on the list than any of the other myriad of planes strewn around Payne field. At this point,
52 Capt747ret : From AW&ST The pace of Boeing’s 787 deliveries is expected to pick up considerably as the company drives for a total 35-43 this year. Ray Conner
53 Rheinbote : The bottleneck - repeatedly confirmed by Albaugh and McNerney - is the mid-body integration line at Charleston where sections 43,44,45,46,11 are mate
54 sunrisevalley : Aspire Aviation published a new article on Feb 23rd. I don't believe it has been referenced in this thread. Much of it is a rehash of previously repor
55 PW100 : Alternatively, tasks initially intended to be performed at i.e. mid-body join (which seems too be the the bottleneck), could have been transferred to
56 sonomaflyer : At the current rate, 787 deliveries could surpass 380 deliveries late next year or early 2014. Its way too early to speculate about the 350.
57 Post contains links and images RobK :
58 Post contains links Capt747ret : http://india.nydailynews.com/busines...ing-south-carolina-expanding-again According to recent state filings, the local plane-making plant is extending
59 Post contains links KarelXWB : JA824J LN27 is in the air http://nl.flightaware.com/live/fligh...8/history/20120903/1900Z/KPAE/KMWH
60 NYC777 : Looks like ZA182 is flying out to Japan tonight. This indicates it was delivered yesterday.
61 Post contains links and images Revelation : Looks like our count-down for 787-9 starts today! Ref: http://boeingblogs.com/randy/archives/2012/09/taking_shape.html
62 Post contains images PHX787 : Sounds good to me Now where do we set our clock for the countdown?
63 WarpSpeed : This is a good sign. The post LN66 frames at Everett appear to be exiting the FAL, logging their first flight and then seeing customer delivery at a
64 Rheinbote : With first flight scheduled for August/September 2013, first delivery is unlikely to happen before 2Q 2014.
65 WarpSpeed : I see...Well, how about first flight AND delivery within a consecutive 12-month period?
66 Rheinbote : Sounds reasonable to me.
67 PW100 : Given the state of previous frames and the amount of rework required on those, I'd say this is a fantastic achievement! It is definately a very good
68 Capt747ret : Does anyone have any additional info on the expansion of bldg. 88-19 in Charleston? Work started last Thursday to increase aft body production and com
69 KarelXWB : Oh oh: @ https://twitter.com/Kearney_Brendan/status/243372478934708224
70 Post contains images PHX787 : So in other news the grass is green
71 Post contains links and images Revelation : Indeed, I hear you, but the thread title also includes the word "production", so am glad to celebrate the start of production of the 787-9! To me she
72 b78710 : Anyone have a list of what airlines are due to get the -9 first?
73 KarelXWB : Air New Zealand is supposed to be the launch customer.
74 WarpSpeed : How will you describe the 787-10?
75 Post contains images 757gb : I like the 787-8, but the -9 is going to be one sweet looking bird...
76 Post contains images Revelation : The taller more athletic sister after she took human growth hormone?
77 lightsaber : Let us take a moment to celebrate this milestone. It means the start of clearing the oversize backlog that is inhibiting further production. From? I
78 Post contains images deconz : They most certainly are
79 Post contains links aeroblogger : Be F5-ing (refreshing) this page obsessively tomorrow evening.
80 Post contains links WarpSpeed : http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/n...-charleston-campus-to.html?ana=twt Nice story on the N. Charleston expansion intended to help Boeing produce 10
81 PHX787 : It says it's a 777?
82 Rheinbote : My take is that the ramp from 5 per month (end of this month) to 10 per month cannot be achieved by coming down the learning curve alone, so the numb
83 KarelXWB : Source https://twitter.com/ghimlay (Ghim-Lay Yeo from Flightglobal).
84 NYC777 : Here's Boeing's statement on delivery of the 1st 787 to the "airline that shall not be named": Boeing celebrates delivery of Air India's first 787 Dre
85 petera380 : Which registration/line number did the "Airline That Shall Not Be Named" take first?
86 817Dreamliiner : Its about time...
87 NYC777 : ZA236/LN 35/VT-ANH
88 Post contains images Stitch : This puts us at 20 deliveries to date for 2012? They only need 5 more to reach their original delivery target.... ...for 2009. [Edited 2012-09-06 06:4
89 Post contains links mffoda : Some time ago, Jim McNerney stated that the North Charleston facility was built to handle 5 A/C per month and with some additions 7+. I didn't save t
90 starrion : 21 so far. I believe Japan Airlines took another one. That is two deliveries for Sept. so far. Even if the "Airline that shall not be named" only take
91 Post contains links WarpSpeed : We may see the "ATSNBN" take delivery of its #2 787 in (relative) quick succession, but don't hold your breath for any beyond this. ATSNBN has yet to
92 tdscanuck : Boeing has a long history of starting assembly in buildings that are still finishing construction...once the frame and roof is on, they can start ins
93 kanban : interesting that in the picture on Boeing's site of the ribbon cutting, the plane's door was closed...
94 NYC777 : Boeing's not having a big shindig (rightfully so) for this delivery today. Not after what it had to go through to get to this moment. I wonder if the
95 United787 : Wow - 6 deliveries in the last several weeks including 3 new customers! 21 Delivered to Date L/N 8 - JA801A - 9/25/2011 - NH #1 L/N 24 - JA802A - 10/1
96 Post contains links WarpSpeed : Check out this site if you need a production video fix: http://www.newairplane.com/787/deliv...ne/#/en/ain/puttingtogetherthe787/
97 Post contains images lightsaber : Kudos to Boeing. I personally think LAN is the most exciting of the new 787 airlines as I see them really 'changing the game' with the plane, in part
98 Post contains images Revelation : That's a shame. I like samosas and pakoras and chutney and nan and masala and bharta etc etc etc. Oops, did I give away the identity of ATSNBN?
99 nomadd22 : That was the speed Boeing originally thought they could assemble one at.
100 Capt747ret : Maybe Boeing should make a U-turn and take some finished frames to CHS. There are extra parking spots there for those that prolong their deliveries..
101 SCL767 : Indeed, the 787 will be a "game changer" for LAN and the airline is very excited about the new opportunities that the a/c will open for LAN; includin
102 NYC777 : Perhaps he wants to take two on teh same dy? It's pl;ausible to want to have a double delivery...more press that way with a bigger shindig to boot.
103 WarpSpeed : It was meant to have some additional work performed (IFE I believe) after Farn. Do we know for sure that the work was completed and QR's first frame
104 Ronaldo747 : Ethiopians ET-AOQ paid a visit in FRA today.
105 HAWK21M : Anyone having pics of the AI B787 handover ceremony.
106 Post contains images Revelation : Darn, HAWK21M, I was expecting you to comment on #98 above!
107 rwessel : If they can actually manage most of of those ten, Boeing might actually have a shot at making their "70-85" 747+787 deliveries for the year. If my co
108 aeroblogger : VT-ANH (ft# AIC170) to depart to India tomorrow night...[Edited 2012-09-06 13:34:31]
109 NYC777 : No they're at 18 787s for the year.[Edited 2012-09-06 14:19:57]
110 Revelation : In any case, post #95 shows that the highest month so far has had 4 deliveries, and we're on track to double if not triple that in September. It will
111 RobK : I wouldn't get too excited as the originally planned September deliveries are slipping towards October.
112 NYC777 : Not exactly a surprise since we're a quarter of the way through September and we haven't seen many test flights taken place and only one B-1 flight. T
113 Post contains images JOYA380B747 : Anybody have any proof that the ATSNBN 787 has taken off from Charleston? Until then lets not rejoice or think about having Revelation's favorites....
114 NYC777 : The flyaway to India happens tomorrow night.
115 n471wn : Which AI a/c is flying out of Charleston as the first delivery? VT-ANI or VT-ANH?
116 vikramv1 : VT-ANH has been delivered. Leaving Charleston, SC this afternoon EST, arriving Saturday evening 5PM at Delhi (Indian Standard Time)
117 Post contains images PHX787 : Still thursday here in AZ (I guess friday on east coast :P ) Well It's about dang time but still
118 Post contains images Revelation : Who wants to bet that it'll be diverted mid-flight when it is learned that some government official didn't put their stamp on the right document? In
119 Post contains images JOYA380B747 :
120 JoeCanuck : Conditions must be perfect for an ice hockey game tonight in Hades.
121 Post contains links NYC777 : First '87 for AI leaving at 3PM EST today heading for FRA. heads up you spotters over there! http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...0/history/20120907
122 BLRAviation : Boeing created this confusion by releasing a photo of VT-ANI along with the press release on the delivery.
123 NYC777 : What's the word on future 787 deliveries to the Airline That Shall Not Be Named? There are 2 more that are ready.
124 Stitch : As one has the bridge financing in place, I expect she's good to go whenever AI can find the time. As for the others, looks like AI is still trying t
125 Post contains images JOYA380B747 : I think that airline has been named more times by now so we can drop the whole ATSNBN thingy
126 Post contains images WarpSpeed : The deadline, as amended/extended, for bridge financing proposals is Sept. 7 (today in the US). I suspect there will be an evaluation period (time),
127 PHX787 : 1:22 to go! I hope there are spotters there!
128 aeroblogger : VT-AND will happen next Thursday/Friday. If financing gets sorted out, deliveries will continue at the end of every week until the delivery backlog i
129 Post contains links KarelXWB : VT-ANH is now visible on flightradar24.com http://fr24.com/AIC170
130 KELPkid : Just out of curiosity: why the stop in FRA? I thought they would have flown over the Pacific on their way home...
131 WarpSpeed : The WSJ.com is reporting that AI has extended the deadline again by about a week because of a weak response from bankers.
132 Post contains images sunrisevalley : I note from Flight Radar he is barrelling along at about 560k. That probably has a lot to do with why the route is eastbound.
133 Post contains images Stitch : They've had RFPs for the bridge funding for the first eight frames out for over a year...
134 Post contains images 2175301 : But; have the banks offered to pay AI for the privilege of helping finance the 787s? Why should AI accept a deal where they are expected to pay norma
135 Stitch : Well AI's not exactly a prime investment opportunity at the moment. They evidently haven't made a profit in half a decade, they are said to depend on
136 Post contains images RobK : Not another AI thread..................
137 aeroblogger : State Bank of India has submitted an RFP (required to by govt), but AI wants a better deal - the proposals AI got had sky-high interest rates. If no
138 Stitch : I see. So the funding is in place, AI is just hoping for a better deal if they can secure it.
139 Post contains images shamrock350 : Just spotted this fly over my house in London (yes it's 3am here) and even at that altitude the lighting is very distinctive, the beacon and other li
140 aeroblogger : Due to papework issues, the aircraft will sit on the tarmac at DEL for a minimum of 10 days before entering revenue service. DEL-BLR/CCU/BOM are the
141 lightsaber : Please do not turn this into another thread on the Airline that Shall not be Named. There are *multiple* threads to discuss that. Maybe we should star
142 tdscanuck : The great circle route from KCHS to VIDP goes up over Greenland, not over the Pacific. But it's also polar and overflies Russia. I suspect they dippe
143 HAWK21M : Thats normal...... Any plans to Mumbai.
144 sweair : AI has 2 more frames that are ready to fly away, will they pick these up soon? 5 stored at Everett and 2 waiting for first flight at Charleston. AI wi
145 aeroblogger : AI wants to have weekly deliveries through the end of the month.. Next frame (VT-AND) will probably be delivered late next week (Thursday/Friday)
146 Post contains images BLRAviation : One can expect that. Customs formalities will have to be completed, and since AI does not pay 'Urgency' fees, that will take a couple or three days.
147 MEA-707 : following list seems still current:
148 NYC777 : Deliveries are sliding to the right so no one can say for certain when and to whom the next Delivery will be made
149 Post contains links KarelXWB : LN77 (United) has emerged from the final assembly line: http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/7963896068/in/photostream/ There is also an unknown 787 (or
150 NYC777 : Yes LN 77 is out and the pictures of the 787 with the white tail is actually LN 75 for Ethiopian.
151 rwessel : Yes, and eight 747s.
152 KarelXWB : Thanks.
153 starrion : Are you breaking out just the 747I? I don't think Boeing is breaking out the 8i / 8F in their guidance. In that case the numbers are 18 and 19 respec
154 sweair : Yeah 8 747s sound way too low.
155 Post contains links KarelXWB : Check it out: de first 787 for Hainan Airlines (B-2728) is now outside in full livery: http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/7972207222/
156 Post contains links tak : A bit off topic, but per Boeing deliveries website through August: 18 747s have been delivered as well as 16 787s (of course not counting most recent
157 817Dreamliiner : Nice! The view of it is a bit obstructed, but it looks good. Hope to see a better pic soon.
158 Post contains images RobK : Some problem with the UA today?
159 HAWK21M : Is 8 B787s by December 2012 correct for AI.
160 jet-lagged : Kinda pretty. And pretty bright. Now, just marry that paint scheme up with the Air India interior colours . . .
161 Post contains images KELPkid : Anything those with inside info wish to share?
162 sunrisevalley : I don't believe I have seen the following on A. net. Aspire Aviation disclosed the following in their article on 787 last week... Fair use...........
163 aeroblogger : Yes, although 6 is more realistic.
164 KELPkid : Can Boeing successfully rework the early serial number frames in that amount of time? Most of them haven't even entered change incorporation yet, and
165 Stitch : I do not expect Boeing will be working on any of the early LN numbers currently in storage as they can deliver eight without them: 1 has been deliver
166 2175301 : I thought that was previously covered several weeks (or a month or so) ago; as it is easy to remember reading it - but not when. This is certainly no
167 HAWK21M : Heard the AI B787 will be in BOM for Three Days....from Thursday.
168 NYC777 : I just put up a new blog post with new locations of the 787 around Everett....more 787s have entered change incorporation while a few more are being p
169 Post contains links NYC777 : Finally another 787 B-1 flight from CHS. This is the one that had the engine issue in July. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE238
170 United787 : 21 Delivered to 5 Airlines L/N 8 - JA801A - 9/25/2011 - NH #1 L/N 24 - JA802A - 10/13/2011 - NH #2 L/N 31 - JA805A - 12/30/2011 - NH #3 L/N 41 - JA807
171 NYC777 : 54, it's on it's first flight right now.
172 sweair : I guess AIs birds need to do a B1 just to be able to get the paint on? Everett has its own paint hangars. LN60 should be ready for a B1 as well? Or do
173 starrion : So is 69 delivering today? I presume we won't see the actual flyaway until tomorrow or Friday?
174 NYC777 : I don't think it's happening. ZA119 has only had two test flight and no customer flights so I don't think it has delivered today.
175 aeroblogger : Looking like VT-AND delivery will be pushed into next week. This one appears to be a scheduling issue at Boeing's end.
176 flightsimer : Two things What time does Boeing quit delivery as its 6PM EST, 3PM PST, and NH #15 was supposed to be delivered today? Second thing, would it be poss
177 United787 : I assume you are talking about the charts on All Things 787, I can't take credit for that, Uresh aka NYC777 is the blogger with the awesome charts...
178 PHX787 : So was JA814A delivered today?
179 NYC777 : Again JA814A, ZA119, LN 69 only had 2 test flights so it is highly unlikely that it was delivered today.
180 NYC777 : I create the charts in Google Docs so I'm limited by that. I don't think there's any compatability feature with the iPhone display so unfortunately i
181 flightsimer : Didn't even pay attention that you were the one I quoted and not NYC777 lol nope, iPad doesn't work...that's all I use anymore...
182 EK413 : Anyone able to provide details why AI haven't scheduled their registration in alphabetical order and skipped -ANA to -ANG...? EK413
183 aeroblogger : The registrations are in order of line number. Boeing has many of the earlier line numbers in storage due to rework, so the order of delivery is a bi
184 dynamicsguy : Don't get hung up on the exact dates. The dates in the table are from a snapshot of the schedules which change frequently in the lead up to delivery
185 RobK : 814 isn't going anywhere til at least the end of next week now.
186 NYC777 : Got new 787 delivery estimates up on the blog more slippage though it looks like the first for QR is starting to look a little bit more firm, still Se
187 NYC777 : LN 75 is supposed to make it's B-1 flight today. This aircraft is for Ethiopian.
188 petera380 : Are you sure? LN 71 ET-AOR had it's first flight yesterday.
189 Post contains links NYC777 : Yes http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE264
190 Post contains images lightsaber : Do I read this correct in that we might see 4 more airlines receive 787s in 2012? I find it interesting that none of the 'terrible teens' will be del
191 Post contains images Stitch : I expect Boeing is just going to ignore those for the time being while they chew through the 20s, 30s and 40s.
192 WarpSpeed : Geez, this frame could not have been sitting on the flightline that long since leaving the FAL. Another good sign. I wonder if it has been painted ye
193 NYC777 : It has not, probably will be painted at Ft. Worth.
194 sweair : Yeah that did not look good, a very rapid descent from 40k feet..The AI bird that flew yesterday did not fly back, another bug? Anyway its good to se
195 ORDBOSEWR : Absolutely. UA already sent an email to FF about the pending arrival.
196 HAWK21M : The AI B787 arrived BOM on Thu morning & will be here for a few days ...Three to be exact.
197 aeroblogger : To be clear, it is VT-ANH which is in BOM right now... VT-AND is still in CHS.
198 HAWK21M : Anyone aware of the B787 programme at AI old Airport in these 3 days.
199 KarelXWB : Source https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/246618851893202946 Are there 7 positions inside the CHS FAL? Or do they mean: - 4 in FAL - 1 parts arri
200 NYC777 : There can be more than 4 positions inside that building but Boeing is not using them all. The line has five positions but there are only 4 airplanes
201 Post contains links mffoda : Speaking of 787 production... Ray Conner has some updates on this and other programs... sounds pretty positive. http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20120
202 Post contains links flightsimer : Well, we finally now know what happened to the 35 slots from QF's cancelation. Boeing decided to drop those slots completely to add assurance to futur
203 Stitch : Makes sense. Boeing can always add delivery positions back in if the production rate warrants it.
204 aeroblogger : AI deliveries being pushed further to the right in light of the NTSB recommendations issued today regarding GEnx engines. DGCA (Indian regulator) is c
205 KELPkid : Huh? The NTSB recommendations are that the FAA issue an Airworthiness Directive that requires: 1) all GEnx engines that haven't been inspected for a
206 aeroblogger : Right... Both AI and DGCA have requested additional info from NTSB and GE, and deliveries are on hold until AI gets the answers they want. And that w
207 JoeCanuck : Boeing exhibiting caution about 787 production...now that's a good thing.
208 PW100 : Huh? I think you (conveniently?) missed the phrase BEFORE FURTHER FLIGHT. NTSB recommendation: . . . issue an airworthiness directive to require, bef
209 Post contains images sweair : Why I am not surprised, I do wonder if any other airline having these engines doing the same thing. Will AI play up any future issue like this? There
210 BoeingVista : Do we know which 787-8 or at least the customer on which the additional unflown faulty GEnx was found? NTSB name the unit as ESN 956-175 if this helps
211 Stitch : With 14 GEnx powered 787-8s preparing for delivery and five more being assembled, if the FAA feels the GEnx needs to be grounded, that's going to pile
212 tdscanuck : The worst case of the NTSB recommendations was just to ground *until inspection*. It's not good, to be sure, but it's not like they'll all be stuck t
213 Post contains images lightsaber : I join the crowd thinking this is Boeing's lowest cost option. Get out the sold units! But did AI really need another reason to delay. Ok, done kiddi
214 NYC777 : Boeing sent up 3 787s and a 747 for test flights. 3 of the 4 airplanes that flew had GE engines. They must be ok but still haveto wonder about deliver
215 sunrisevalley : In the meantime GE will not be shipping any new engines. Why would they assemble an engine with suspect parts only to tear it apart later. So Boeing
216 lightsaber : That would be very expensive for RR to have been ready. And the point of lean is to not have parts sitting around in case they have to be re-engineer
217 NYC777 : Any reason to belive that this is in fact the case?
218 BoeingVista : @ NYC 22 do you have a list of candidate aircraft at Everett on which the faulty GEnx was discovered?
219 sunrisevalley : I concede your point. Perhaps it is rather a question of the wish of the airlines who have GE powered aircraft on the line in the next month or two.
220 Post contains links PHX787 : Not sure if this was posted but I found a nifty little thing that JAL posted about the 787: http://www.jal.co.jp/jal_panorama/787_kinai/
221 dynamicsguy : There's still a fair amount of space at Everett to store airframes. The total number of airplanes hasn't changed all year. The first 787-9 slot has b
222 KELPkid : I doubt it. The report that Reuters ran on the NTSB recommendations quoted an official at GE as saying a new treatment process was being used on the
223 Post contains links and images United787 : I had my 40th birthday party a couple of weeks ago and my awesome wife surprised me with a 787 cake! The cake didn't fly very well but it sure tasted
224 Post contains images RAGAZZO777 : Now that's a cake I would also like to have for my birthday party ! Congrats to Mrs. United787 !
225 WarpSpeed : Nice! And, an on time delivery to boot! It wouldn't be a 787 if there wasn't one job required for change incorporation!
226 NYC777 : Ok so BA is to take it's first '87 in May, 2013 and I'm hearing from a source that QR will take its first '87 on Thrusday, flyaway on Friday with arri
227 Post contains images lightsaber : The fuel savings will more than cover the cost of the inspections; heck, GE will have to reimburse anyway. I've heard no rumors of a grounding or pro
228 Post contains links KarelXWB : Another source is saying something else: Source: Akbar al-Baker http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topic...sion=1&template_id=57&parent_id=56
229 Post contains images Stitch : Then maybe you should not have sent it to an air show and let people walk inside it for a couple of days. Either that, or they let the folks who outf
230 United787 : Does anyone know if UA is still delivering today? Will my screenname finally come true?
231 Post contains links NYC777 : Looks like anther 787 was delivered to Air India yesterday. Delivery flight today. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIC170 This is ZA233, (LN 29, VT
232 NYC777 : It doesn't appear that Boeing delivered the 787 to UA today. UA has been very visible with regards to marketing the 787 as part of its fleet (i.e. liv
233 Post contains images sweair : And Boeing let that Leahy on board with his sharp tongue
234 Post contains images KELPkid : Ahem.... So, the GE engine issue isn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be...or AI's delivery pilots are absolutely nuts for flying an aircraft
235 Post contains images PW100 : That is surprising indeed, given their recent history. To use a well known quote from a well known Anet member, my rumourmill is saying that a lot of
236 lightsaber : Mods, please create a Thread Part 9. Thanks in advance, Lightsaber
237 aeroblogger : DGCA gave the clearance for VT-AND Tuesday afternoon India time. I'm absolutely shocked that AI managed to get itself together so fast... The aircraft
238 WarpSpeed : Do you have any info. about whether then next four AI frames have executed bridge financing facilities in place to allow those to be delivered? Last
239 Post contains links Stitch : Per The Hindu Business Line, financing for the first four planes was secured last Friday - http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...try-and-economy/art
240 aeroblogger : Yes, bridge financing is secured for all deliveries expected in 2012. Financing for aircraft to be delivered in 2013 will be taken care of at a later
241 seabosdca : So does DGCA have to sign off on each frame, or will AI have carte blanche to accept deliveries from this point forward? I'm sure Boeing would love t
242 Post contains images WarpSpeed : Well, then, there must be nothing standing in the way of the delivery of the next four frames to AI....absolutely nothing...
243 kanban : since the mods generally only read a thread if A) they are interested or B) there is a complaint, the best way to roll a thread is using the "Suggest
244 NYC777 : I still don't know if AI would use the GEnx issue as a reson to refuse delivery of the next four airframes. That's wy I'm reluctant to drink the "Air
245 aeroblogger : No, AI requested DGCA to confirm that the GE report on the engine problems (whatever it said) fell in line with safety practices required in India, p
246 RobK : Past experience suggests to me that it was flying the acceptance flight today.
247 NYC777 : Don't think so as GEnx powered 787s for JAL, Qatar and United all flew today (or will fly) quite a bit of activity.
248 aeroblogger : They're flying now, but will they keep flying? If there was another failure tomorrow, the fleet worldwide might very well be promptly grounded.
249 United787 : 22 Delivered to 5 Airlines L/N 8 - JA801A - 9/25/2011 - NH #1 L/N 24 - JA802A - 10/13/2011 - NH #2 L/N 31 - JA805A - 12/30/2011 - NH #3 L/N 41 - JA807
250 aeroblogger : VT-AND was delivered 18SEP (morning), not 17SEP.
251 NYC777 : Don't think so now that the FAA will come out with an airworthiness directive and there is an inspection plan to catch the cracks before there's a fr
252 PHX787 : Based off of this, how many will UA have by the end of the year?
253 Post contains links and images wilco737 : Part 9 now available: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9 (by wilco737 Sep 18 2012 in Civil Aviation) This thread will be locked now. wilco737
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