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Baby Born On EK Flight To Manila - Diverts To SGN  
User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11549 times:

Seems like a baby boy was born on EK 332 en-route to Manila. The mother went into premature labor and gave birth in the lav. Two nurses on the flight plus four EK crew tended the mother and child. Pilots decided to divert to Ho Chi Minh City so the baby could get medical attention (was only 27 weeks into the pregnancy!).

Favourite part of the story? The baby boy was named EK after Emirates! Kudos to the nurses to my fellow crew  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n-on-emirates-plane_n_1842430.html

http://gulfnews.com/about-gulf-news/...d-after-emirates-airline-1.1067755


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User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11230 times:

Oh yikes, my wife's going to be flying in her 32nd week soon! "Full-term" is 37 weeks. "Due date" is 40 weeks.

So, labor at 27 weeks-- that's nuts!


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11162 times:

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 1):
Oh yikes, my wife's going to be flying in her 32nd week soon! "Full-term" is 37 weeks. "Due date" is 40 weeks.

So, labor at 27 weeks-- that's nuts!

Hey SSteve, im sure you have both checked it out with your relevant carrier but just be aware some airlines have strict rules regarding expectant mothers. Heres BAs for example!

For uncomplicated single pregnancies, we restrict travel beyond the end of the 36th week, and for twins, triplets etc., beyond the end of the 32nd week. After your pregnancy has entered its 28th week, we ask that you carry with you a letter from your doctor or midwife, stating the pregnancy is uncomplicated and confirming the expected date of delivery. In this letter, your doctor should state that you are in good health, that they are happy for you to fly, and that (in their opinion) there is no reason why you cannot fly.



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User currently offlinefalkerker From Seychelles, joined Apr 2012, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11112 times:

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 1):
So, labor at 27 weeks-- that's nuts!

That baby boy probably required NICU (neonatal Intensive Care Unit). OTOH, since it was an extremely premature birth (below week 30) the baby was smaller and thus the delivery would have been somewhat less traumatic. Kudos to the Crew and nurses and hopefully the boy and his mother are alright in SGN.

Quoting tonystan (Reply 2):
Hey SSteve, im sure you have both checked it out with your relevant carrier but just be aware some airlines have strict rules regarding expectant mothers. Heres BAs for example!

Some countries will deny entry beyond certain point in the pregnancy. Many people flew to the US with late pregnancies only to have the baby born there and hence receive US citizenship. AFAIK, CBP can deny entry beyond 36 weeks.


User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11105 times:

My wife happens to *be* a doctor, but we've also run it by another doctor of our own volition.   Nonetheless, she'd be mortified if she delivered absent nearby medical facilities.

Interestingly, it'll be on B6, and they appear to not really care up to "expected to deliver within 7 days."


User currently offlinefalkerker From Seychelles, joined Apr 2012, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10981 times:

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 4):
"expected to deliver within 7 days."

     


User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4781 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10843 times:

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Thread starter):

Favourite part of the story? The baby boy was named EK after Emirates!

I'm hoping for the boy's sake that it's just the initials from "Edward Keith" or somesuch...as the name will not sound so nice in the local setting. Given the story, it could take on the character of the hit movie.

I wish both the baby and mother well, and expect him to grow up as a fine, young lad.  

And props to the nurses and crew!   



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User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2598 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10691 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 6):
I'm hoping for the boy's sake that it's just the initials from "Edward Keith" or somesuch

Well, they could name him Tim...with middle name Clark


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10582 times:

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 4):
My wife happens to *be* a doctor, but we've also run it by another doctor of our own volition. Nonetheless, she'd be mortified if she delivered absent nearby medical facilities.

Unfortunately, that doesn't cut it with most insurers, and if there had to be a diversion that would be very costly. And the airline would be looking at someone upon whom to dump the cost.

Even if she's a doctor herself, she needs to ensure that she has a letter preferably dated within seven days of departure and written by a medical practitioner confirming that she is fit to travel and that there is no reason to think that delivery might be premature.

Good luck!


User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 695 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10495 times:

Not according to B6, so... whatever.

User currently offlinePRFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10410 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 6):
I'm hoping for the boy's sake that it's just the initials from "Edward Keith" or somesuch

How about Eddie Katindig? I hope they don't make a lot of "ekek" about his initials.   


User currently offline9w748capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 555 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10218 times:

My goodness - even as a pediatrician, this would scare the snot out of me! Kudos to the crew and staff - truly miraculous that they were able to keep the baby alive long enough to make it to the NICU in SGN!

User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10139 times:

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 4):
Interestingly, it'll be on B6,

OK But if she does give birth itll obviously be a boy cos its JetBLUE and you need to name it something blue! lol



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User currently offlinethijs1984 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8448 times:

Good job for the aircraft's crew. Hope the mother and son are doing well. 27 weeks is very early.

How is this arranged legalwise? What does the baby have in his future passport as place of birth? And what is the nationality? As the baby was in fact born on a flying piece of UAE/Dubai territory?
I can remember that a baby was born on board of a KLM flight from Africe to AMS and the baby was in fact been given the Dutch Nationality while the parrents were from African origen.


User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7764 times:

Quoting thijs1984 (Reply 13):
And what is the nationality?

The legal aspects can be a bit tricky as birth on an aircraft does not automatically bestow citizenship of the country in which the aircraft is registered. It is possible that the UAE might grant citizenship but only if the baby were to remain stateless otherwise. As the parents are from the Philippines it is possible that the child will acquire Philippine citizenship.

I love the pun from the linked article: "However, his citizenship was up in the air..."


User currently offlinestgs1988 From Denmark, joined Sep 2007, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6544 times:

In the given situation, is the aircraft's captain empowered to either give, grant or suggest the citizenship / nationality that the baby should receive?

And what about if the baby is born in international airspace?


User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6197 times:

Quoting stgs1988 (Reply 15):
In the given situation, is the aircraft's captain empowered to either give,

While the Convention on International Civil Aviation Article 17 states "Aircraft have the nationality of the State in which they are registered," this does not imply that persons born on an aircraft receive the nationality of that State. The 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness addressed this in Article 3, which reads "For the purpose of assigning nationality, birth on a ship or aircraft shall amount to birth in the territory of the State that gives its flag to that ship or aircraft."

As far as I am aware the UAE is not a signatory to the 1961 Convention, let alone ratified it, so while Emirati officials might take Article 3 into account they are not obliged to . UAE law (like that of many countries) does not automatically bestow citizenship through birth within UAE territory, except in the instance of a foundling, so it is more likely that the child will acquire the nationality of the mother.

As to the captain's powers in this area, he can not exceed the powers given to him by the laws of the country in which the aircraft is registered.


User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4341 times:

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 7):
Well, they could name him Tim...with middle name Clark

Oh please don't...



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9166 posts, RR: 29
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3520 times:

I was reading the Huffington post article and I stopped where it said

quote
"the baby was born into the toilet"
unquote

Now, that ain't funny. What kind of journalists are at work there?

As to gthe name - EK is another joke., Boeing or Aiurbus would be a good suggestion, A girl born many years ago on an LH flight was actually christened "Lufthansa" .



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User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4781 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3072 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 18):
As to gthe name - EK is another joke.

Imagine if it happened on an Etihad flight...  .

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 18):
Boeing or Aiurbus would be a good suggestion

No...that would be a cruel joke.   


Quoting PanHAM (Reply 18):
A girl born many years ago on an LH flight was actually christened "Lufthansa".

Makes one wonder how she now feels about her name...    ?



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6530 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3008 times:

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 16):
UAE law (like that of many countries) does not automatically bestow citizenship through birth within UAE territory

Exactly, so the question is moot.



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User currently offlinestgs1988 From Denmark, joined Sep 2007, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2743 times:

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 16):

Thanks for the response!


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2674 times:

You can have rules, but 'nature' is stronger. I am quite sure she didn't expect to have a child at this time on an air flight. EK did the right thing in making the diversion, the new child's health was more important than the flight from a moral and even legal view. Hopefully the child will survive despite it's premature birth. I am quite sure the issue of the birth and citizenship will be resolved, most likely the child will become a citizen of the country of the mother.

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