sq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1780 posts, RR: 20 Posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12955 times:
Seems like a baby boy was born on EK 332 en-route to Manila. The mother went into premature labor and gave birth in the lav. Two nurses on the flight plus four EK crew tended the mother and child. Pilots decided to divert to Ho Chi Minh City so the baby could get medical attention (was only 27 weeks into the pregnancy!).
tonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1564 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12568 times:
Quoting SSTeve (Reply 1): Oh yikes, my wife's going to be flying in her 32nd week soon! "Full-term" is 37 weeks. "Due date" is 40 weeks.
So, labor at 27 weeks-- that's nuts!
Hey SSteve, im sure you have both checked it out with your relevant carrier but just be aware some airlines have strict rules regarding expectant mothers. Heres BAs for example!
For uncomplicated single pregnancies, we restrict travel beyond the end of the 36th week, and for twins, triplets etc., beyond the end of the 32nd week. After your pregnancy has entered its 28th week, we ask that you carry with you a letter from your doctor or midwife, stating the pregnancy is uncomplicated and confirming the expected date of delivery. In this letter, your doctor should state that you are in good health, that they are happy for you to fly, and that (in their opinion) there is no reason why you cannot fly.
My views are my own and do not reflect any other person or organisation.
That baby boy probably required NICU (neonatal Intensive Care Unit). OTOH, since it was an extremely premature birth (below week 30) the baby was smaller and thus the delivery would have been somewhat less traumatic. Kudos to the Crew and nurses and hopefully the boy and his mother are alright in SGN.
Quoting tonystan (Reply 2): Hey SSteve, im sure you have both checked it out with your relevant carrier but just be aware some airlines have strict rules regarding expectant mothers. Heres BAs for example!
Some countries will deny entry beyond certain point in the pregnancy. Many people flew to the US with late pregnancies only to have the baby born there and hence receive US citizenship. AFAIK, CBP can deny entry beyond 36 weeks.
I'm hoping for the boy's sake that it's just the initials from "Edward Keith" or somesuch...as the name will not sound so nice in the local setting. Given the story, it could take on the character of the hit movie.
I wish both the baby and mother well, and expect him to grow up as a fine, young lad.
koruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11988 times:
Quoting SSTeve (Reply 4): My wife happens to *be* a doctor, but we've also run it by another doctor of our own volition. Nonetheless, she'd be mortified if she delivered absent nearby medical facilities.
Unfortunately, that doesn't cut it with most insurers, and if there had to be a diversion that would be very costly. And the airline would be looking at someone upon whom to dump the cost.
Even if she's a doctor herself, she needs to ensure that she has a letter preferably dated within seven days of departure and written by a medical practitioner confirming that she is fit to travel and that there is no reason to think that delivery might be premature.
9w748capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 832 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11624 times:
My goodness - even as a pediatrician, this would scare the snot out of me! Kudos to the crew and staff - truly miraculous that they were able to keep the baby alive long enough to make it to the NICU in SGN!
thijs1984 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9854 times:
Good job for the aircraft's crew. Hope the mother and son are doing well. 27 weeks is very early.
How is this arranged legalwise? What does the baby have in his future passport as place of birth? And what is the nationality? As the baby was in fact born on a flying piece of UAE/Dubai territory?
I can remember that a baby was born on board of a KLM flight from Africe to AMS and the baby was in fact been given the Dutch Nationality while the parrents were from African origen.
The legal aspects can be a bit tricky as birth on an aircraft does not automatically bestow citizenship of the country in which the aircraft is registered. It is possible that the UAE might grant citizenship but only if the baby were to remain stateless otherwise. As the parents are from the Philippines it is possible that the child will acquire Philippine citizenship.
I love the pun from the linked article: "However, his citizenship was up in the air..."
Quokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 7603 times:
Quoting stgs1988 (Reply 15): In the given situation, is the aircraft's captain empowered to either give,
While the Convention on International Civil Aviation Article 17 states "Aircraft have the nationality of the State in which they are registered," this does not imply that persons born on an aircraft receive the nationality of that State. The 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness addressed this in Article 3, which reads "For the purpose of assigning nationality, birth on a ship or aircraft shall amount to birth in the territory of the State that gives its flag to that ship or aircraft."
As far as I am aware the UAE is not a signatory to the 1961 Convention, let alone ratified it, so while Emirati officials might take Article 3 into account they are not obliged to . UAE law (like that of many countries) does not automatically bestow citizenship through birth within UAE territory, except in the instance of a foundling, so it is more likely that the child will acquire the nationality of the mother.
As to the captain's powers in this area, he can not exceed the powers given to him by the laws of the country in which the aircraft is registered.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13765 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (3 years 5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4080 times:
You can have rules, but 'nature' is stronger. I am quite sure she didn't expect to have a child at this time on an air flight. EK did the right thing in making the diversion, the new child's health was more important than the flight from a moral and even legal view. Hopefully the child will survive despite it's premature birth. I am quite sure the issue of the birth and citizenship will be resolved, most likely the child will become a citizen of the country of the mother.