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Did Iberia Have 727-100s?  
User currently offlineskycub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2887 times:

Quick question... I was looking through an old OAG and I see Iberia flights listed with both "727" and "72S" equipment.

Generally, the 727S refers to a 727-200.

However, I have noticed that some airlines listed their 727-200s as simply 727.

I did a search of photos and do not find any photos of an Iberia 727-100.

Can anyone tell me whether Iberia did, in fact, operate 727-100s or if they were just using the generic 727 to refer to some of their -200 flights?

Thanks.

[Edited 2012-08-30 13:38:23]

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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12428 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2878 times:

I'm pretty sure they never operated -100s; they first introduced 727s in around 1973 and they were -200s, and every other 727 subsequently for IB.

User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2844 times:

Quoting skycub (Thread starter):
Can anyone tell me whether Iberia did, in fact, operate 727-100s

No.

They never did.

They used, however, two different cabin layouts on their 727-200s, hence the "727" and "72S".

If I remember correctly, "727" was used for those aircraft having a small first class cabin (8-12 seats or so) while "72S" was used for those aircraft which only had standard economy class seating, even though the cabin could be divided into two different classes just as they do today with economy and Business.

Hope this helps.



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User currently offlineskycub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2808 times:

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 2):
Hope this helps.

Very much so! Thank you!


User currently offlinesteve7e7 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 476 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2765 times:

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 2):

Spot on Alfonso, you beat me to it!


User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

Hey Steve!!. I didn't know you had info on Iberia's fleet!!

I also think Iberia had one of the 5 largest B727 fleets outside the US back then (1980 - 1990 more or less). They had up to 37 aircraft, but 2 of them were tragically lost: EC-CFG on Dec 7th, 1983 in Madrid and EC-DDU on Feb 19th, 1985 during approach to Bilbao.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
they first introduced 727s in around 1973

IB's first B727 was EC-CAI, delivered in April, 1972.

Quoting skycub (Reply 3):
Thank you!

You're welcome!.

[Edited 2012-08-30 14:56:47]


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User currently offlineMakeMinesLAX From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2614 times:

My 1980 JP Airline Fleets confirms 37 727-256s in the fleet, with five on order (which they obviously didn't pick up), and 35 remaining in 1985.

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 5):
I also think Iberia had one of the 5 largest B727 fleets outside the US back then (1980 - 1990 more or less)

I remember hearing Mexicana had the largest non-US 727 fleet. The 1985 list shows 43 total -200s - 35 owned outright, 4 leased, and 4 to be leased. The 1980 list also shows 43 727s, of which 11 were -100s


User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 5):
They had up to 37 aircraft
Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 6):
My 1980 JP Airline Fleets confirms 37 727-256s in the fleet

Yes. That is correct.

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 6):
and 35 remaining in 1985.

After the loss of EC-CFG and EC-DDU. Once again, correct.

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 6):
I remember hearing Mexicana had the largest non-US 727 fleet.

Yes.

They even used this as some kind of slogan. "We are the world's largest 727 operator outside the US" or something like that. I remember reading that phrase several times in different places in the past. I'm not sure if IB was 2nd or 3rd.

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 6):
The 1985 list shows 43 total -200s - 35 owned outright, 4 leased, and 4 to be leased.

They lost 1 shortly after. In March 31st, 1986, Mexicana flight 940 (XA-MEM) crashed in Mexico killing everyone on board.



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6181 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2462 times:
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Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 5):
I also think Iberia had one of the 5 largest B727 fleets outside the US back then (1980 - 1990 more or less).

The number 1 was MX´s. But IB was certainly up there.



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User currently offlineiberiadc852 From Spain, joined May 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2104 times:

Sorry for the offtopic, but which year is that timetable?


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User currently offlineskycub From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2074 times:

Quoting iberiadc852 (Reply 9):
Sorry for the offtopic, but which year is that timetable?

1983


User currently offlineiberiadc852 From Spain, joined May 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1722 times:

Quoting skycub (Reply 10):
Quoting iberiadc852 (Reply 9):Sorry for the offtopic, but which year is that timetable?
1983

Thank you. I'm searching for old Iberia timetables, but that one I have. Actually I have collected several data.

Regards



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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4927 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1628 times:

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 6):
I remember hearing Mexicana had the largest non-US 727 fleet. The 1985 list shows 43 total -200s - 35 owned outright, 4 leased, and 4 to be leased. The 1980 list also shows 43 727s, of which 11 were -100s

Interesting .... by one.

AC had 42 B727s, 39 -200s and 3 -100s.

[Edited 2012-09-02 20:20:33]


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25124 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1431 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 12):
Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 6):
I remember hearing Mexicana had the largest non-US 727 fleet. The 1985 list shows 43 total -200s - 35 owned outright, 4 leased, and 4 to be leased. The 1980 list also shows 43 727s, of which 11 were -100s

Interesting .... by one.

AC had 42 B727s, 39 -200s and 3 -100s.

The 43 for MX was at one specific point in time. In total, over their years of 727 service, a check of one fleet list shows MX operated 67 different 727s (18 -100s and 49 -200s), almost 60% more than AC.


User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4927 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1382 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
The 43 for MX was at one specific point in time.

Yes, and AC operated 39 at one specific point in time.

Sounds like you are bored.



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