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United To Move Express Flights To Terminal 1 @ SFO  
User currently offlineramprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1528 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8764 times:

I think this is a very good decision. Bring mainline flights back to the old Shuttle pier. This is from the Employee's website.

"Since we began using gates in Terminal 1 in June at SFO to augment our operation in Terminal 3 and the International Terminal, customers and co-workers have transferred between terminals via airside bus links. Beginning next month, United Express will operate more than 100 flights from Terminal 1, freeing up gate space in Terminal 3 and reducing peak passenger loads on the buses.

These changes will allow us to more than double the number of flights operating at Terminal 1, reducing aircraft taxi time and gate waits at Terminal 3 for our arriving and connecting customers and crews.

Hub Managing Director Mike Hanna said that the changes in the September schedule that move the majority of United Express flying into one terminal will result in a more constant flow of smaller numbers of customers deplaning from regional jets. "Co-workers have done a phenomenal job with a tough plan," Mike said. "We have a great team working very hard, and with this change we'll have the right plan and the right people to deliver the right product to our customers."

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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8727 times:
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Well, if **all** OO UAX flights are moving from gates 71 though 79 over to terminal 1, then they're gonna need a bigger bus. The ones they're using now only hold twenty or so people.

Okay, then are the SoCal mainlines moving back to F Concourse?


User currently offlineN782NC From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8644 times:

It'll be interesting to see how they're going to fit the majority of the 150+ UAX flights into the old CO gates... Perhaps they will keep the CR7's operating out of T3.

[Edited 2012-08-30 22:29:53]

[Edited 2012-08-30 22:30:13]


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User currently offlinejamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8636 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 1):
Okay, then are the SoCal mainlines moving back to F Concourse?

There is no F Concourse. It sounds like the mainline departures will be moving back to T3, UA's domestic terminal...

UA's international departures leave from the G gates.



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User currently offlinecosyr From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 386 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8593 times:

When is 60-67 going to be reopened? 60-67 are needed. Does anyone know what the master plan is for those the south concourse? When United can move entirely back to the north side, will they try and replicate the design of the north Terminal with the South?

User currently offlineN782NC From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8559 times:

Quoting cosyr (Reply 4):

The plan is to begin renovation of Terminal 1 sometime after B/A E (gates 60-67) is completed. Skip to page 31.

http://www.wtsinternational.org/assets/84/22/WTS_022311_SFO.pdf



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User currently offlinewarden145 From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8280 times:

Quoting ramprat74 (Thread starter):
Beginning next month, United Express will operate more than 100 flights from Terminal 1

Are they accelerating this operation? I had a pax tonight who came in on a UAX flight and ended up coming out of security in Terminal 1.

For that matter, with the SoCal flights, I was under the impression that UA was getting them off the aircraft and immediately onto buses, but tonight's experience implies that it's at least possible to bypass the bus and enter Terminal 1.

This is going to be a mess until some sort of consistency is determined and travelers figure it out...although, at the same time, the space/gate relief is desperately needed...

[Edited 2012-08-31 02:37:35]


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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8034 times:
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Quoting jamake1 (Reply 3):
There is no F Concourse. It sounds like the mainline departures will be moving back to T3, UA's domestic terminal...

Didn't you know?

Terminal 3 and "F" are one and the same.


User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6003 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7864 times:

Just as big, it'll minimize crew delays since all of the flights will be in the same terminal.


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User currently offlinemogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7843 times:

Quoting jamake1 (Reply 3):
There is no F Concourse. It sounds like the mainline departures will be moving back to T3, UA's domestic terminal...

UA's international departures leave from the G gates.

Just last month I've had a SFO-LAS flight that departed out of international G concourse ... guess gate space is a real problem for UA


User currently offlineanonms From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 618 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7675 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 7):
Terminal 3 and "F" are one and the same.

Well... no, T3 also has "E", which is currently closed.

The only "one and the same" case at SFO is T2 and D.



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7613 times:
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Quoting anonms (Reply 10):
Well... no, T3 also has "E", which is currently closed.

Nitpicking is fun, but we're losing the thread message -- yes?


User currently offlinetozairport From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7469 times:

Quoting cosyr (Reply 4):
When is 60-67 going to be reopened? 60-67 are needed. Does anyone know what the master plan is for those the south concourse? When United can move entirely back to the north side, will they try and replicate the design of the north Terminal with the South?

Not until late 2013 or early 2014. The have essentially torn the old terminal down and are rebuilding it due to asbestos contamination.



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6783 times:
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Quoting warden145 (Reply 6):
For that matter, with the SoCal flights, I was under the impression that UA was getting them off the aircraft and immediately onto buses, but tonight's experience implies that it's at least possible to bypass the bus and enter Terminal 1.

On at least one occasion, a blue-shirted TSA person told me "There are no shuttle buses anymore," and instructed me to take the monorail over to terminal 1. No big deal. It was nice outside, and I needed the exercise anyway. On the other hand, the Terminal 1 TSA guys were waaaay laid back, and I got through in record time.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6674 times:
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Quoting N782NC (Reply 2):
It'll be interesting to see how they're going to fit the majority of the 150+ UAX flights into the old CO gates...


There is one shared gate in that concourse finger that is rarely used. It says FL/WN on the wall, but I've never seen a plane there. Perhaps it can be bartered for.

Quoting N782NC (Reply 2):
It'll be interesting to see how they're going to fit the majority of the 150+ UAX flights into the old CO gates...


They might have to park OO planes remotely and shuttle folks to their flights -- something like they used to do at EWR.


User currently offlineN782NC From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5193 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 14):
They might have to park OO planes remotely and shuttle folks to their flights -- something like they used to do at EWR.

That could work. If so they would probably end up using the RON stands next to the old TWA Building.



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5051 times:
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Quoting N782NC (Reply 15):
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 14):
They might have to park OO planes remotely and shuttle folks to their flights -- something like they used to do at EWR.

That could work. If so they would probably end up using the RON stands next to the old TWA Building.


The pre-Aerotrain rental-car-shuttle and long-term-parking shuttle buses still exist--are in storage. I wonder if they're serviceable enough to do this kind of duty?


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6123 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4892 times:

OK...let me an try to answer all these

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 1):

Well, if **all** OO UAX flights are moving from gates 71 though 79 over to terminal 1, then they're gonna need a bigger bus. The ones they're using now only hold twenty or so people

Not all OO flights are moving. The 700's will still mainly stay in T3. The numbers are 65% of the operations will be moved to T1 as of Sept. 5th

Quoting N782NC (Reply 2):
It'll be interesting to see how they're going to fit the majority of the 150+ UAX flights into the old CO gates... Perhaps they will keep the CR7's operating out of T3.

The whole pier was relined over the last 10 days. Each gate will have multiple lines for OO a/c. I can't share the blueprints, however there will be a lot of gates. UAL has also taken over gate 24 from Alaska which can accommodate 2 Brasilias

Quoting jamake1 (Reply 3):
There is no F Concourse. It sounds like the mainline departures will be moving back to T3, UA's domestic terminal...

There is an F concourse. Gates 76A-90

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 14):
They might have to park OO planes remotely and shuttle folks to their flights -- something like they used to do at EWR.

There will be no remote parking. All OO a/c will be at the 30 gates and 24, or at T3 70-79

Quoting N782NC (Reply 15):
That could work. If so they would probably end up using the RON stands next to the old TWA Building.

Those are the city's spots and used for RON or a/c maint. only. Mainly VX/WN/DL



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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6123 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4873 times:

Quoting cosyr (Reply 4):
When is 60-67 going to be reopened? 60-67 are needed. Does anyone know what the master plan is for those the south concourse? When United can move entirely back to the north side, will they try and replicate the design of the north Terminal with the South?

April 2014 as of right now. No the concourse will have an original and unique look to any other concourse.



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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

April 2014 is a long time from now, but yeah its basically been torn down to the ground.

Do you know anything more about plans for using it? Will UA actually get it, and how big is it going to be?

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 9):
Just last month I've had a SFO-LAS flight that departed out of international G concourse ... guess gate space is a real problem for UA

United uses all of the G gates that face F after the international flights depart for domestic... I get on a lot of flights over there.

So, if they're going to start flying mainline flights from where express currently ops - are they going to make that part of the concourse any, you know, less crowded?

Don't get me wrong - I love that the new United is super stoked about SFO. But its getting a little crazy over there.

NS


User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6123 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4503 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 19):
Do you know anything more about plans for using it? Will UA actually get it, and how big is it going to be?

The gates will be Star gates with UA/AC/US. However, if US merge's with AA, then that will leave more gates for UA.



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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2687 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4361 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 19):
April 2014 is a long time from now, but yeah its basically been torn down to the ground.

Considering the speed the City and County of San Francisco moves on airport construction projects, i consider April 2014 quick.


User currently onlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

UA needs to better inform their staff of what is going on. I am at gate 92F (aka 36) right now waiting for a flight to OTH. I got at least 4 different answers on how to get to this gate from Terminal 3!!! In addition, none of the signs even acknowledged a gate 92F, the signs all said 92A-E. On a more positive note, the shuttle bus gave us a glimpse of the guts of the airport which is always fun.

User currently offlinehiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2172 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3793 times:

SInce UAX flights getting pulled down to protect fullsize flights during bad weather this will keep those disruptions away from the rest of the operation.

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