TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4108 posts, RR: 13 Posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12092 times:
Oh my...
What happened to summer, it is all gone now!!
Greetings again Turkish Aviation fans from a mild Istanbul evening.
Yes, more work and I am stuck here in Istanbul for another 3 weeks.
It is always interesting to take a look at our conversations daily though.
- I hear TK wet-leasing a 330-200.
- Very interesting debates on TK wide body seating configs.
- I will ask it again, where is the presidential 332???
- Any more news on GRU-EZE?
Thanks as always for being a part of this community and keeping our threads informative, fun and free of personal attacks or political mumbo jumbo.
I will try to be more involved once I have some free time.
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 24912 posts, RR: 60 Reply 2, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12037 times:
Thanks for the new thread. Although I didnt contribute much on the last I was following
Quoting TK787 (Thread starter): What happened to summer, it is all gone now!!
Indeed cant believe where its gone but then again if you were in the British Isles we didnt get one
It seems TK is still having issues with the ground product. I read on another thread an alarming experience from two J class passengers on a trip to the Far East. It seems out stations are also an issue . I wish they could get those sorted out as it degrades a really nice overall product.
OLYMPIC AIR - ΟΛΥΜΠΙΑΚΗ "Η ΕΛΛΑΔΑ ΨΗΛΑ" "GREECE FLYING HIGH"
gokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1097 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11785 times:
Hey TK thanks for the new thread as always.
Presidential plane is still in outfitting (LH Technik?), last I heard. It is taking a long time, as it should, plane was delivered green, and they are going to blow about 50-75 million dollars in furnishings, technology, etc. takes time...,
As for TK widebody configs I don't think its right sized. I think the allocation to comfort class is overdone, and the J class is suffering in size, it is getting very hard to find a J seat on North American flights especially JFK, And LAX.
As for the J config; 2-3-2. The experience of someone flying on the -2- seats side wont be same with 3 in the middle, as my mom just flew to LAX with my sister and they were on window side, she said very comfortable. However return was from JFK in mid secion and she said its a battle for elbow room in the middle seat. It shouldn't be that way. I am not totally against the 2-3-2 J, but it should be executed better I think. Just my 2 cents.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22053 posts, RR: 51 Reply 6, posted (8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11351 times:
Yes 1st THY half numbers were rather good and beat the market forecast.
39% of passengers flying TK were transfers clients.
In other TK news - for those that are tired of the hazelnut snacks on TK, they will begin offering packs of dried Malatya apricots later this year as well.
Additionally TK is in the process of researching a corporate sensory logo - a signature brand scent that will be used on aircraft and lounges. Recently 2000 cabin crew and passengers participated in survey comparing different smells - everything from jasmine to ocean to pine and lots of different combinations.
While many might laugh at this, branding a scent has been proven to influence brand perception and effect consumer behaviour. For example such scents are employed by hotels, shopping centers, auto dealers, and other airlines.
From what I hear the scent will likely be a flower based one as its seems to have gotten the most favorable results in the survey.
And lastly - MNG last week took delivery of its first A330F.
photo courtesy of Airbus.
As I had previously mentioned will be interesting to see how MNG utilizes this aircraft. Unlike the older A300 fleet, this costly new aircraft needs to stay busy to pay for itself. MNG has stated its seeks to pursue more scheduled service operations, however in the past it has had a difficult time often having to returns to ACMI and charter flying instead.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
tcm From Turkey, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11251 times:
Turkish soccer/football club Galatasaray will apperantly fly in style (hopefully on the pitch as well ) this season. The image in the article suggests a 737 with winglets. Apperantly Airplus aviation is doing the paintwork and refurbishment with a reduced seating capacity for 78 pax. Can't wait to see the real thing...
tcm From Turkey, joined Jul 2010, 584 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (8 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11146 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 8): The scheme is average at best, but why the need for this? Is this for the champs league or domestic away games and such also?
Agreed looking at image the scheme does look uninspiring. AFAIK, such lease arranegements are popular in the U.S. with sports teams ( 2012 Ncaa Football Charters (by flySFO Aug 29 2012 in Civil Aviation) ) This might be part of a sponsorship deal. I would think this is for all their away fixtures both international and national.
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4108 posts, RR: 13 Reply 11, posted (8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10590 times:
TK Facebook page says:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151149242307760&set=a.139834532759.108963.90430042759&type=1&theater
Free wi-fi? Looks like a single aisle to me.
How many planes have this?
[Edited 2012-09-04 22:33:56]
Sorry can not link, but it is on the TK page of Facebook, about free wi-fi
leftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 655 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 10437 times:
Yesterday was the first flight for Djibouti, which replaced Khartoum as the stop en route to Mogadishu. And today - just days after Nouakchott as a new destination - TK has announced Aden in Yemen. The flights will be routed via Sana'a. There it is: http://airlineroute.net/2012/09/05/tk-ade-oct12/
Further, SHGM has signed a new civil aviation agreement with Gabon. We can expect Libreville anytime I guess. The agreement gives "Turkish aviation companies" (read TK) the chance to use Douala and Port Harcourt as stops en route to Libreville as well as Pointe Noire, Brazzaville and Luanda as tag ons with full 5th freedom.
Finally, DHMI has published figures for end of August. IST still growing like crazy, AYT stagnating, ESB and ADB as well as SAW growing slowly. Source: http://dhmi.gov.tr/istatistik.aspx
Turkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 429 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 10392 times:
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 13): Yesterday was the first flight for Djibouti, which replaced Khartoum as the stop en route to Mogadishu. And today - just days after Nouakchott as a new destination - TK has announced Aden in Yemen. The flights will be routed via Sana'a. There it is: http://airlineroute.net/2012/09/05/t...ct12/
I am really curious if these destinations have a future or if they are served just to collect destinations. In long term this will work for sure, but in short term... Time will tell us. BTW it was reported that TK now is 5th in number of total destination in the world and 1st in europe and 2nd in the world in terms of destinations from a single hub, overtaking Air France. Only Delta has more (maybe in ATL?).
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 13): Further, SHGM has signed a new civil aviation agreement with Gabon. We can expect Libreville anytime I guess. The agreement gives "Turkish aviation companies" (read TK) the chance to use Douala and Port Harcourt as stops en route to Libreville as well as Pointe Noire, Brazzaville and Luanda as tag ons with full 5th freedom.
Brazzaville? Isn't it just opposite to Kinshasa on the other side of the river?? Does this make sense? (Also Air France is serving both airports)
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 13): Finally, DHMI has published figures for end of August. IST still growing like crazy, AYT stagnating, ESB and ADB as well as SAW growing slowly. Source: http://dhmi.gov.tr/istatistik.aspx
IST already has overtaken MUC and FCO and has become europe's 6th busiest airport. With growth keeps stable this year at 21%, IST will have had 45 mio. pax in 2012 ! Another 10% growth in 2013 and IST will become one of the lesse than 20 airpots in the world serving 50+ mio pax/year... What is the capacity after increasing runway capacity ?
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22053 posts, RR: 51 Reply 15, posted (8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 10289 times:
Regarding all the African destinations, I believe its important to remember all markets already have established traffic flows to Europe, and new growing traffic demand to Asia.
THY is not trying to create something new or be the first one to plant a flag in any market (except maybe Somalia), but instead wants to simply divert the existing traffic to route via IST versus historic gateways like Paris.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
ASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 387 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 10196 times:
Quoting Turkish350XWB (Reply 14): Brazzaville? Isn't it just opposite to Kinshasa on the other side of the river?? Does this make sense? (Also Air France is serving both airports)
But these two citites are the capitals of two different countries! And they are not in real good terms also, if I remember correctly. So traffic wise, these two cities are probably different markets altogether.
Still, TK going crazy in Africa. This is a lot of routes ... China maybe a new source of traffic, but all these cities all around the continent? I wonder if Kotil even knows how many cities he serves in Africa
leftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 655 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10169 times:
I don't think IST terminal can exceed 50m. It already looks like a zoo in there. And compared to the airports of the last decade with high ceilings, skylights, large waiting areas and better layout (think new BCN, KUL, LHR T5...) it is severly outdated IMHO.
Turkish350XWB From Switzerland, joined Jan 2009, 429 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10169 times:
Quoting ASA (Reply 16):
But these two citites are the capitals of two different countries!
I know that. One is french-Kongo the other one belgian-kongo.
They are even closer than Buenos Aires and Montevideo (also separated by a river / bay), but Montevideo barely gets served in contrary to Buenos Aires.
Turkish economy itself is growing in Africa. There are also rumours that they just open that destination of the Gulen schools...
BTW Airex in Istanbul begins this Friday. Maybe some orders this weekend ?
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4108 posts, RR: 13 Reply 20, posted (8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9996 times:
Quoting ASA (Reply 16):
Still, TK going crazy in Africa. This is a lot of routes ...
Well, Topcu of TK mentioned two years ago that TK wants to double its destinations in Africa to 35. I guess we are almost there. Anyone counting?
TK is doing all it can, from;
-Serving everywhere from IST up to 2-3 hours with single aisles.
-Serving what it can with its current LH fleet to Asia and N.America.
-Utilizing 739s at off hours at IST to long haul destinations, for connecting pax in mind.
Regional jets and 787/350 type service come to mind next. That is easier than bunch of 77W/330 or bigger service and competing with EK, LH and others in a world economy the way it is.
ASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 387 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (8 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9818 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 20): Well, Topcu of TK mentioned two years ago that TK wants to double its destinations in Africa to 35. I guess we are almost there. Anyone counting?
yes - a list or map of Africa routes would be great. thanks in advance to the poster!
Quoting TK787 (Reply 20): TK is doing all it can, from;
-Serving everywhere from IST up to 2-3 hours with single aisles.
-Serving what it can with its current LH fleet to Asia and N.America.
-Utilizing 739s at off hours at IST to long haul destinations, for connecting pax in mind.
I think that's a smart move - especially utilizing the night hours to get Africa services going.
Quoting TK787 (Reply 20): Regional jets and 787/350 type service come to mind next. That is easier than bunch of 77W/330 or bigger service and competing with EK, LH and others in a world economy the way it is.
yes - a 787/350 strategy would be a better choice to make TK more efficient and opening new doors than go head-to-head with the Manatee flyers! even if not for that ... atleast to appreciate the long waiting a-nutters like us
25 ASA: Thanks, tcm! Posted three questions on the board ... let's see if Kotil picks them up!
26 TK787: Thanks for the post, 6 frames a good start. -Do we have any clues what seat configs a possible TK 748/380 might have? I imagine all 3 class. -Can JFK
27 Northstar80: this is a freaking joke! one month they decide that they urgently need VLAs. Next month they change their minds and now they no longer need VLAs. The
28 Turkish350XWB: You are not the only one to think so. There is a guy named Sefa Inan is writing about Turkish Aviation. Well i do not know about his expertise but i
29 tcm: Airbus has, ironically, EK send one of their A380s to the Airex show, probably playing on TK's EK envy. The manufacturers will always be after a possi
30 TK787: 3rd Bogazici Bridge preliminary work has started, which will be crucial for the 3rd airport. Latest news that the 3rd airport, 1st phase will be oper
31 Turkish350XWB: It is a very bad situation right now. Not knowing when the new airport will be finished and what the first phase offers. Does anybody know how this a
32 TK787: If I could interrupt here; -TK made profit 2nd quarter, $100m. or so -TK flies to record number of destinations and still being profitable and it is
33 LAXintl: Like the management or not, in cooperation with the government going back to Ozal days, an bold vision was planted for Turkish Airlines, and this is w
34 tcm: Me too I hope so for the sake of TK and the economy in general. The Mayor announced that the metro connection will be ready before the opening of the
35 leftyboarder: As much as I would want to see the 3rd airport in place ASAP, I can't believe that a long suspension bridge, hundreds of kilometers of highway, a very
36 cuban8: Funny thing is, the A380 (and to a certain extent the B748) were partly build for busy, high-volume airports. Sounds to me that TK would be in more n
37 tcm: Nope, TK finance their aircraft acquisitions through private institutions. example: http://www.ascendworldwide.com/2011/...s-a330-a321s-and-737-ng-or
38 Turkish350XWB: How do you know that another management wouldn't have made $200m. ? These numbers are not a proof. Hmmm, i always thought that destinations should ad
39 TK787: I hear you, definitely not my style of management, but I look at it this way; it works. I believe in numbers. TK is profitable. TK stock closed at 3.
40 gokmengs: If you have any questions for TK CEO... (no later than 7 a.m. Friday) See: http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/p...-for-turkish-airlines-ceo/840155/1
41 Turkish350XWB: Aha, so you believe that stock exchange values are a product of logical behaviour and thinking...? The same with me.
42 ju068: Pegasus applied to launch flights from SAW to Belgrade but it seems they were turned down by the Serbian Civil Aviation Directorate... unfortunately.
43 TK787: I believe, if you were to put $1000 last year to TK stock and it is worth $1500 today, this is profit you can see. This makes me think TK is profitab
44 LAXintl: I think this argument about the management is a bit academic. Questioning the results of TK management is like saying could different management at Lu
45 lightsaber: That is amazing. 15 years ago, who would have considered TK as the growth engine they are today. Lightsaber
46 ju068: Could someone tell me when did Turkish Airlines start to change? And what were the first steps taken? Thanks.
47 LAXintl: First real change was under Turkish prime minister than president Ozal in the mid/late 1980s. Ozal took personal interest in the airline, and brought
48 TurkishWings: Had a rather nice short flight on TK yesterday.. Flew a 737-800 (TC-JFU) between IST and PRG. Some notes: * IST was a complete mess... It was apparent
49 ju068: Cool, thanks for the explanation! It is nice to see that the government didn't go back to its old ways later on! Why is that?
50 TK773ER: Not sure if this has been mentioned before ? Looks like Mozambique is on TK's radar next i know there has been talk of TK expanding in the African con
51 TK787: Thanks for the report, coming from you it is very important to learn that the FA'S couldn't finish the food service. On another note; 10 Best Airline
52 ASA: As nobody brought it up yet, was wondering how the EK + QF tie-up affects TK's future plans? 1. No effect? 2. Would TK be able to launch Australia pla
53 LAXintl: Doubt it would effect or change much for TK. The deal is meant to help in the Europe-Australia market. A market TK does not play in today. Other kanga
54 leftyboarder: I think CX/SQ/MH/TG have more to worry. I don't think EK gains a lot either, as they already serve every major Australian city. They are just getting
55 ASA: Different topic altogether ... was trying to book JFK-IST-DAC ... the schedule shows a 14 hour gap between arrival and departure from Dhaka, Banglades
56 Turkish350XWB: Strange. Normally DAC is on the same bank as BOM and DEL: Dep around 7pm from IST around 2 hours after the arrivals of North American flights, arriva
57 HB-IWC: I am sure that the schedule is being prepared for a tag on to this flight. TK712/713 is being retimed from the winter schedule onwards. Coult the fli
58 ASA: Thanks, guys. I hope that is the case! if TK starts a tag on, it would probably be to a city it doesn't already serve ... and within 3-4 hours of flyi
59 leftyboarder: TK indeed flies to SGN (via BKK) and CGK (via SIN) so only MNL of those three is not served. I would expect an unconventional tag on like Yangon or ev
60 HB-IWC: DAC KUL has quite some traffic. QR used to fly that tag.
61 ASA: even EK flew this route in the 90s ... I hope it's a new route though ... for both DAC and IST. Let's see.
62 LAXintl: TK flew to KUL back since the A310 days. It was dropped in 2002 in favor of focusing on Singapore and switching the then BKK-KUL tag to launching bran
63 TK787: Good Afternoon friends, Do you know if TK still has 200euro upgrades to Comfort from Y on IST-JFK? I have a K class ticket for next week. If there is,
64 bahadir: Here's a special from IAD on TK to onward destinations. If this is not a proof that TK has been successfully targeting transit traffic , I don't know
65 LAXintl: TK changes its China schedule slightly for the winter schedule. HKG becomes daily now (was 6x weekly) using the 777. CAN slots are better coordinated
66 cmoltay: Realised a mix up in the Ipad application of TK. When buying an award ticket, limited capacity selections for all classes are more expensive than the
67 777way: TK Cargo have launched frieghter services to Dhaka, Minsk and Vienna, while dropped Damascus according to mid summer schedule revision. http://wwwdown
68 TK787: Yes, also the latest transit pax numbers Jan-Aug. year on year is up over 40%, again. Now, an award for Turkish Cargo; http://awards.payloadasia.com/
69 TK787: Thanks LAXintl, Can anyone send a message to me about the IST-JFK TK 11, Comfort class loads for Sept. 20th and Sept 21st? Thanks.
70 tozbek: Only one A340 leased back to Air Blue? http://kokpit.aero/thy-a340-airblue Any information about reaming aircraft?
71 777way: ^ They are getting another one from same source.
72 tozbek: I think the second one is owned by ILFC and will be taken by Air Blue... Thank you...
73 ju068: I just saw that Turkish Airlines had sent their A330-200 to Benghazi today, is there really that much demand or did one of their smaller planes go tec
74 leftyboarder: Has to do with this: http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/0...ibya-airport-idINL5E8KECP920120914
76 tozbek: Benghazi re-openned? Here is an interesting news about Pegasus thinking to choose Airbus A320neo: http://kokpit.aero/pegasus%20siparis?filter_name=peg
77 TurkishWings: The article says that they confirmed Airbus 320NEO orders.. If this is true, it is indeed big news...
78 TurkishWings: How about Nouakchott as a new TK destination?? They really are spreading all across Africa... http://kokpit.aero/thy-afrika-24.ucus
79 LAXintl: Is not one of the issues for Pegasus that Airbus can deliver the NEO 2 years earlier than Boeing can the MAX ? I believe the CEO Sertac Haybat was quo
80 Turkish350XWB: It has been reported that TK is planning to open routes to Asmara (Eritrea), Libreville (Gabon), Santiago de Compostela (Spain) and the new airport in
81 tk1244: I thought Pegasus wanted to get rid of Airbus planes (Izair) and focus fully on 737 jetliners?
82 leftyboarder: Why is it that these news never get the attention that EK starting ALG gets on this board? TK has started almost 20 destinations this year but yet it
83 ASA: I was wondering the same. Atleast, TK's tremendous growth in African destinations deserve a thread of its own ... or to discuss if it is time to star
84 stylo777: I think its a difference to lease a handful of old 319/320 or to own several brandnew aircraft of the same type (or nextgen)
85 leftyboarder: Yet another story regarding TK adding more points in India, specifically mentioning Kolkata: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...n-in-city/articles
86 777way: QR are dropping Stuttgart, wonder is every destination really working for TK?
87 LAXintl: I'm sure TK has many new routes that are not profitable on a stand-alone basis, however they currently view things on a macro network scale. In otherw
88 777way: Its because the new launches are not discussed in seprate topics, new destinations should be discussed in seprate threads.
89 CaliAtenza: would love it if TK opened up BLR. That gives me another option on Star. I would rather not fly TG because i was disappointed with them this time and
90 TK787: I didn't know that iststatus is a "live" application. Sitting at IST int. terminal watching live traffic landing and following them on the computer at
91 bahadir: What the world is coming to? No discussion about THY A333 order?
92 ASA: welcome back! looks like you know something we don't?
93 LAXintl: Barcelona football team asks THY for all female cabin crew. http://www.self-catering-breaks.com/news/299521545.html I'm actually surprised TK already
94 777way: Iraqi Airways have launched Adana with CRJ, they had also started Antalya earlier on both from Baghdad.
95 Steelyman: I can tell you for sure the crew is handpicked specially and including Spanish-speaking cabin crew. This is fake news which was created by Turkish Me
96 TK787: Finally back in NYC; Here is a quick recap of yesterdays TK 11, IST-JFK, in Comfort class; -IST was busy but I was the only one at check in at TK, 2.5
97 TK787: TC-JYF, 6th 739ER for TK is delivered today.
98 TurkishWings: Quick question: Does anyone know anything about an aircraft registered TC-EZL ? It is coded as 3MF (330 or 340 I guess and belonging to TK) and is exc
99 tcm: Ex Merdiana A332 (EI-EZL) on wet lease with TK for one year.
100 TK787: And one more, -JYG arrives today, making it 7 x 739ERs for TK.
101 TurkishWings: Ah OK. Thanks.. That explains the weird reg and code..
102 by738: EDI-IST has had a good start and on a par with other recent shorthaul Euro route launches. Will be interesting to see how it does once everyone has ha
103 TK787: Cool video of the future Ercan airport here; will be a beautiful airport; http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N3uqK77WUdQ Stran
104 CaliAtenza: Any news on TK's further Indian expansion?
105 TK787: Any info on TK selling another 30% of ownership rumors?
106 TK787: TK increasing Djibouti-Mogadishu to 3 x weekly; http://airlineroute.net/2012/09/28/tk-jibmgq-jan13/
107 ju068: The route must be performing really well if they are increasing flights just before February, which is considered as one of the slowest months. By th
108 LAXintl: Looks like Maputo will be on THY map soon. Mozambique and Turkey last week signed an air-service agreement allowing for initially 3x weekly service. I
110 AsoRock: Theres some rumors going around that the Nigerian government may have selected Turkish Airlines to help establish a new national carrier for Nigeria f
111 TK787: Please continue here: Turkish Aviation October 2012 (by TK787 Sep 30 2012 in Civil Aviation)
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