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ANA And Their 788 Deployment  
User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5073 posts, RR: 5
Posted (2 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 6527 times:

ANA now have 12 788's , presumably all are in service. How are they deploying these within their system?

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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2733 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 6431 times:

Checkout this thread....

Current & Future 787 Routes #2 (by United787 Jul 26 2012 in Civil Aviation)


User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5073 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5930 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 1):
Checkout this thread....

Mods lock this one. Sorry for the duplication


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2733 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5772 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 2):

Mods lock this one. Sorry for the duplication

Would be nice if they could unlock the other thread, it needs updating, isn't that old and isn't too long...


User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2972 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

Two 788s fly the HND-FRA and the rest are utilized on domestic routes but their utilization is not very heavy. A couple of weeks ago I went to HND, two 788s were in the hanger (probably for engine modification?).

User currently offlineslclaxkixkhh From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3793 times:

The other thread mentioned AM MEX-NRT. Would this be nonstop or still stopping in TIJ?


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User currently offlineAirDFW From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3767 times:

Quoting carpethead (Reply 4):

Two 788s fly the HND-FRA and the rest are utilized on domestic routes but their utilization is not very heavy. A couple of weeks ago I went to HND, two 788s were in the hanger (probably for engine modification?).

I do not understand why they want it in domestic side, isn't it a bragging right to showcase your newest product in International circuit? People want to fly 787 wherever possible, isn't it so?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12263 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3655 times:

Quoting carpethead (Reply 4):
Two 788s fly the HND-FRA and the rest are utilized on domestic routes but their utilization is not very heavy. A couple of weeks ago I went to HND, two 788s were in the hanger (probably for engine modification?).

They now have a third 787 for long-haul flights (JA813A) and the fourth should follow somewhere this month (JA814A).



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3497 times:

Quoting AirDFW (Reply 6):
I do not understand why they want it in domestic side, isn't it a bragging right to showcase your newest product in International circuit? People want to fly 787 wherever possible, isn't it so?

But NH also wants to sell their airline to the Japanese people, who are more and more flying LCCs domestically and non-Japanese carriers internationally.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12263 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

JA813A is finally in service and was last seen on HND-PEK.

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/JA813A

I would expect her to fly much further because she is equipped with a long-haul configuration (like JA805A and JA806A)?



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User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8564 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2818 times:
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The more long haul configured birds the better, reduces the chances of me flying the same machine HND-FRA in November!


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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3594 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2776 times:

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 10):
The more long haul configured birds the better, reduces the chances of me flying the same machine HND-FRA in November!

Why? Was there something wrong with the one you were on?


User currently offlineba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8564 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2704 times:
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Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 11):

- no but I'd prefer to have a new registration for my log.



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User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5073 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2563 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):
I would expect her to fly much further because she is equipped with a long-haul configuration

Are they equipping the later line numbers for long haul since they are getting progressively lighter ? This would make sense (to me )   


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6420 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2420 times:

Quoting AirDFW (Reply 6):
I do not understand why they want it in domestic side, isn't it a bragging right to showcase your newest product in International circuit? People want to fly 787 wherever possible, isn't it so?

Most of the 788's that NH has received so far are early build frames, airframes that are significantly overweight. IIRC, the most range they can reasonably expect from one of these frames without any payload restriction is ~4300 NM, enough to do "regional" flights within Asia, but not really long enough legs to do what the 787 is intended to do  

The later build frames are the ones that are doing the international routes (like FRA...).



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User currently onlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5073 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2312 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 14):
Most of the 788's that NH has received so far are early build frames, airframes that are significantly overweight. IIRC, the most range they can reasonably expect from one of these frames without any payload restriction is ~4300 NM,

PIANO-X has the EIS version loaded in its database. With this version the one with 158-seats is good for ~7500nm passenger load only. The 262-seat version is good for ~6500nm.
Despite what "dogs" the early one's are supposed to be the EIS version can haul better than 30t on the about 12hr HND-FRA. sector.


User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2972 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

Quoting AirDFW (Reply 6):
I do not understand why they want it in domestic side, isn't it a bragging right to showcase your newest product in International circuit? People want to fly 787 wherever possible, isn't it so?

Perhaps that was what ANA wanted to do back in 2006 but with the design/certification/production delays, the 763 replacement is taking a priority now that all the int'l 744s are gone.
Besides, flying the 787 on the domestic circuit would be the best way to showcase the newest product to us Japanese people.
For people around the world outside of Germany, they just have to come to Japan.


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6420 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1877 times:

Quoting carpethead (Reply 16):
Perhaps that was what ANA wanted to do back in 2006 but with the design/certification/production delays, the 763 replacement is taking a priority now that all the int'l 744s are gone.
Besides, flying the 787 on the domestic circuit would be the best way to showcase the newest product to us Japanese people.
For people around the world outside of Germany, they just have to come to Japan.

Not necessarily. I was watching a Seattle Mariners game about a week ago on cable, and there was an ANA commercial promoting the 787 and ANA's Seattle serice. I was suprised, as commercials from foreign airlines are very rare here in the US. I was also supprised that NH was advertising themselves as "ANA Airlines" and not "All-Nippon Airlines". Wonder how soon NH will be deploying the 787 to SEA...   

Of course, there is a huge Japan connection to not only Seattle, but the Mariners as well, after all, they are owned by the CEO of Nintendo, who likes to use the team to showcase Japanese players in MLB...

[Edited 2012-09-13 08:27:28]


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31132 posts, RR: 85
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1745 times:
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Quoting KELPkid (Reply 18):
Wonder how soon NH will be deploying the 787 to SEA...   

October is the plan, though might be earlier now that all those Japanese fans are flying to JFK.  


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