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DL 744 Mods- 75% Complete (12 Of 16)  
User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1130 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 14 hours ago) and read 7625 times:

The 12th 744 in cabin modifications will depart SIN on 04Sep for NRT. This will leave 2 in mods and 2 others to be done. Completion date is around mid November.

Ship 6309 is sked to enter modification on 04Sep and 6315 should be finished within 3 weeks. This will leave ships 6316 and 6313 to enter mods towards the end of Sept and beginning of Oct.

The new configuration of 48C 42EC 286Y is nose to tail AVOD.

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User currently onlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2788 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 14 hours ago) and read 7617 times:
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They're really making a nice dent in the fleet with these mods. Good to see they are getting them done so quick. They were badly needed IMO.
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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2679 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6502 times:

DL is doing a wonderful work with its fleet


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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6072 times:

I think it is great that DL actually went ahead with the 747 modifications. Makes their product much more competitive.


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User currently offlineZschocheImages From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5952 times:

Great to hear! I hope they fly the 744 for many years to come, much like NW held onto the DC-10. Did DL make a mistake though by not moving to a true 3 class layout like many others, including now UA and AA?


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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10398 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5893 times:

Quoting ZschocheImages (Reply 4):
Did DL make a mistake though by not moving to a true 3 class layout like many others, including now UA and AA?

I wonder if it would be worth it? When we first started flying, transatlantic, the Tristars had three classes of service and I was flying non-rev quite often, internationally. You could count the revenue pax flying in F on one hand in all the flights I took. DL, obviously looked at this and determined that it was NOT worth it and that's when Business Elite was born.



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User currently offlineZschocheImages From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5684 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 5):

I tend to agree. I just was curious about what other people's opinions were. All of the new first/bus products are very nice, but it seems as if each airline has a different idea of what will work the best in the long term. The WSJ had a great article about that very topic several weeks back.

It's been interesting to see the evolution of first class travel, considering as few as 10 years ago almost everyone had the same general layout.



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User currently offlineklkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4750 times:

Quoting ZschocheImages (Reply 4):
Did DL make a mistake though by not moving to a true 3 class layout like many others, including now UA and AA?

AA is moving away from three class. Their current 47 777-200ERs are going to be converted to two class. Only the twelve new 777-300ERs will be three class. All their 767's are two class.

UA has not added any three class aircraft since merging with CO. New 787's will be two class.


User currently offlineAA94 From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 588 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4618 times:

Quoting klkla (Reply 7):
AA is moving away from three class. Their current 47 777-200ERs are going to be converted to two class. Only the twelve new 777-300ERs will be three class. All their 767's are two class.

Right on all counts except for the last one. AA's 762s that fly Flagship Service routes (JFK-SFO/LAX) are configured with three classes, and the A321s that replace them will also be configured with three-class service.



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User currently offlineklkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4097 times:

Quoting AA94 (Reply 8):
Right on all counts except for the last one. AA's 762s that fly Flagship Service routes (JFK-SFO/LAX) are configured with three classes, and the A321s that replace them will also be configured with three-class service.

While technically true the first class on the AA762 is really a glorified domestic type first class seat. It's a very retro (antiquated) set up that will truly bring you back to what is was like flying in the Reagan era. I forgot about the A321's but that's a ways off and I have a feeling they will end up with a two class product similar to UA's new PS service with an internation type business seat and no first class when all is said and done.


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1540 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4061 times:

6316 goes in the shop around the 13th.


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User currently offlinejblake1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3922 times:

Flew a mod 744 to Tel Aviv back in June. It was like stepping onto a sparkling brand new airplane. Was ultra modern and comfortable.

User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1130 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3913 times:

Quoting jblake1 (Reply 11):
Flew a mod 744 to Tel Aviv back in June. It was like stepping onto a sparkling brand new airplane. Was ultra modern and comfortable.

It would be nice if DL would put the 763-ER's into mods, 3 at a time, especially in the upcoming slow season.


User currently offlineluv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12103 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3903 times:
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I think they should really offer a premium economy that was more than a few extra inches of space.


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User currently offlineTLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3891 times:

The only current scheduled route I could find with the old configuration is DTW-NRT. Glad to see the quick progress! I saw one taxi while dropping a friend off at the new International Terminal in ATL yesterday. It's good to see a Delta 744 again in ATL!


Bill in ATL
User currently offlinebennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7573 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

My (very rough) take on the price of the different classes is as follows;

Economy
Business (Economy x 1.5)
First (Economy x 4)

Assuming that you are paying your own fare, then it seems to me that you would go Economy for short haul, and possibly Business for long haul.

Clearly if you are on business, then the firm decides, (but firms do not seem to have the travel budgets that they used to).

In conclusion, is there really going to be a big enough market for First Class to make it worth doing?.

After all, if you have megabucks then you will take a Bizjet anyway.


User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1130 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3826 times:

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 15):
In conclusion, is there really going to be a big enough market for First Class to make it worth doing?.

After all, if you have megabucks then you will take a Bizjet anyway.

Agreed. F is not worth the price unless one has $$ to burn. Then there are the deadheading crews/non revs in first unless UA & AA have cut that out.


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10398 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3807 times:

Quoting CV880 (Reply 16):
Agreed. F is not worth the price unless one has $$ to burn. Then there are the deadheading crews/non revs in first unless UA & AA have cut that out.

Even when DL had F, BizElite and Economy, the best that non-revs could do was BizElite on international.



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User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1130 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3791 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 17):
Even when DL had F, BizElite and Economy, the best that non-revs could do was BizElite on international.

My next door neighbors were riding F class (internationl) whenever they could (AA).


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10398 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3777 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 17):

Even when DL had F, BizElite and Economy, the best that non-revs could do was BizElite on international.

Uh, I made a slight mistake, here.........when DL still had F, internationally, there was no BizElite, yet.....it was First, Biz and Economy........when F disappeared, BizElite was born....a combo of F and Biz.



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User currently online1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6494 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3723 times:

Quoting CV880 (Reply 12):
It would be nice if DL would put the 763-ER's into mods, 3 at a time, especially in the upcoming slow season.

That is exactly the plan, with an estimated completion by the end of 2013. At the same time, the A330 mods should begin next year with a 2014 completion.



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User currently offlineRwy04LGA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3679 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 19):
BizElite was born....a combo of F and Biz.

I heard it was F service in a J seat.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 20):
That is exactly the plan, with an estimated completion by the end of 2013. At the same time, the A330 mods should begin next year with a 2014 completion.

Keep climbing!



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User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10398 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3647 times:

Quoting Rwy04LGA (Reply 21):
I heard it was F service in a J seat.

I suppose you could call it that, but, since I never flew F on an international flight, I couldn't tell you for sure.



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User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 774 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3577 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):
DL is doing a wonderful work with its fleet

They are making progress but I would not call it wonderful. It's slow and the new product are base models and the selected materials are cheap and cold looking, specifically in the premium cabins. The UA/CO and new AA hard products are nicer.

What "wonderful work" has been done with the nine versions of the 757 other than covering old seats with "signature blue" leather seat covers and adding wifi?

The 767s are going through mods at a snails pace. By the time they are complete, they will start being retired and DL will be painting them in a new livery.

And... the A330s? How about the A319s/320s?

Quoting jblake1 (Reply 11):
Flew a mod 744 to Tel Aviv back in June. It was like stepping onto a sparkling brand new airplane. Was ultra modern and comfortable.

Really? How were the ultra modern overhead bins and lavs? I agree the planes look a lot better and are more comfortable, but take a look at the LH 747-8 and tell us how they compare.

Quoting luv2fly (Reply 13):

I think they should really offer a premium economy that was more than a few extra inches of space.

I agree. I think there is a market for Economy Comfort -- a name that does not imply your standard offering is Economy Uncomfortable would have been better. I also think there is a market for a world class premium economy product, EconomyElite.


User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1612 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3512 times:

Quoting questions (Reply 23):
The UA/CO

At least all of DL's new BE seats have direct aisle access, something that COdbaUA doesn't have, as far as I know of.



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25 mayor : Maybe this will answer your question. As for the A319s/320s, I really don't know if there IS a plan to refurbish these.
26 Post contains images Transpac787 : Not a chance. AA, definitely. COdbaUA, not a chance. Their 767's are 2-1-2, DL's are to become 1-2-1. UA's 777's are 2-2-2 or 2-4-2, DL's are 1-2-1.
27 1337Delta764 : The focus right now is on the international fleet. The A330s will be getting the same flat bed Weber Cirrus seats in BusinessElite, while Y will be g
28 AA94 : Agreed. I love having my window seat, and direct aisle access gives me the best of both worlds. Having to climb over a sleeping stranger on a long-ha
29 mayor : Exactly. And unless you're using the lavs for a "library" as at home, most people aren't going to notice if they're "ultramodern" or not.
30 mogandoCI : how expensive that economy ticket you're buying ? for NYC-HKG, business is routinely 4-5x economy for 1-stop options and up to 7-8x for the nonstop o
31 CX747 : One main difference between Delta's 747-400s and Lufthansa's 747-8s is the fact that the Delta metal is paid for!
32 BE77 : And generally, other than people reading this post, most people seeing the interior are going to think 'new plane', and be impressed by how modern DL
33 Post contains images klkla : I agree they look somewhat cheap in photos but I flew both 767-400 and 777-200LR last week in BizElite. In person the three tone blue-gray-white sche
34 Post contains images FlyASAGuy2005 : There was a Q&A very recently (maybe the past 2 weeks) about the slow-down of the ER mods. The original plan was for 2Q13 but looks to be about 4Q
35 sonomaflyer : I wish this was the true measure of prices on the long haul flights I purchase. On the markets I frequent, Business is about 5x economy. First is usu
36 CV880 : The 13th modified 744, , ship 6315, N675NW, is supposed to be out Sept16 with ship 6316, N676NW, taking it's place. This leaves 2 in mods and one to
37 Post contains images Rwy04LGA : If it looks like a new plane and it smells like a new plane, it must be a new plane! Delta has 'Economy Comfort'. Isn't 'premium economy' an oxymoron
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