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Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100  
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Posted (3 years 3 months 13 hours ago) and read 17446 times:

It is only fitting that I get to start the 100th thread from India, while visiting my relatives in Chennai. It has been many years since the first thread on Indian Aviation. I didn't expect it to last this long, but I am pleased with continued popularity of this thread.

I thank all of you for contributing, and hope you keep this thread going.

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User currently offlinekaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (3 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 17387 times:

Well done laxdesi , it's been a thoroughly enjoyed and memorable journey not only for us but for Indian aviation , it was in 2007 around when these threads started gaining momentum it was also when 9W and AI took delivery of their first batch of 777 s for the BRU hub and JFK non stop and how the scenario has changed ,

As I said a memorable journey thanks for starting the journey and trend on Indian aviation on this forum LaxDesi


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 14814 posts, RR: 100
Reply 2, posted (3 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 17330 times:

Congrats LAXDESI. You have done a tremendous job initiating these threads. My hat is off to you sir.


Lawn set to brown: dang drought.
User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1535 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (3 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 17319 times:
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Congrats to you for having started something like this and a very special thanks to you and the many other worthy contributors who have enriched it with a very high quality of discussion and debate.

Great job. We look forward to the double hundred...


Sarfaroshi kii tamannaa ab hamaare dil mein hai, Dekhnaa hai zor kitnaa baazu-e-qaatil mein hai
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31821 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (3 years 3 months 9 hours ago) and read 17293 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
It has been many years since the first thread on Indian Aviation

Undoubtly......Thanks to LAXDESI & the many other posters on this Thread topic........
Never thought 100 threads would be completed so fast......Amazing journey & thanks folks for the posts.....

Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlinebrahmin From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 3 months 8 hours ago) and read 17239 times:

Jai Hind and Vande Mataram

User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2146 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (3 years 3 months 7 hours ago) and read 17202 times:

LAXDESI: Let me also add my congratulations on the 100th thread. Looking forward to the next 100 threads.

Will AI receive their first 787 before thread # 200 ?

The best time to plant a tree is 40 years ago. The second best time is today.
User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4909 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (3 years 3 months 4 hours ago) and read 17143 times:

LAXDESI, Hip Hip Hooray!    Thanks for a quality thread that managed to be informative and entertaining.

By the way, did you get to see the new International Terminal in Madras?

Quoting WestWing (Reply 6):
Will AI receive their first 787 before thread # 200 ?

Naughty, naughty!

User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 3 months 3 hours ago) and read 17119 times:

Great to see 100 threads!

I wonder when we'll hit 1000

User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 486 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (3 years 3 months 2 hours ago) and read 17072 times:

Congratulations on the century.

I am on Twitter @BLRAviation
User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 486 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (3 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 17048 times:

A good chronicle on how Star Alliance, and it appears Lufthansa, hosed Air India.


A great example of how the Ministry consistently pulls the rug out from under Air India for the benefit of others. Would the civil aviation authority of any other country tolerate this?

I am on Twitter @BLRAviation
User currently offlineBOMRPR From India, joined Aug 2012, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 3 months ago) and read 17026 times:

Congratulations LAXDESI, this thread has nurtured my interest in Indian aviation all these years and I finally decided to join Anet last month. I am sure there would be many like me out there following your thread and are unable to convey their gratitude. I would like to Thank You on their behalf.

User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2993 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (3 years 3 months ago) and read 17015 times:

Woo hoo... now to organise a A.Net meet in India sometime  
Congrats to LAXDESI and everyone who participated here to make these discussions quite entertaining. I have learnt a lot in these fora.

Fatso's cars raced well in Belgium, but I was told that people are giving him arm's length treatment in the F1 paddock. In the age of the internet, bad news can't be hidden, even though I believe he employes a large SEO/SEM team to make sure negative references can be brushed under the carpet. Unfortunately when the carpet starts bulging, people find out.

I am also led to believe that with his 'White Knight' Subrata Roy Sahara getting pwned by the Supreme Court; things will probably get worse for him.

A300B2/B4/6R, A313, A319/320/321, A333, A343, A388, 737-2/3/4/7/8/9, 747-3/4, 772/2E/2L/3, E170/190, F70, CR2/7, 146-3,
User currently offlinehimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1053 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 16971 times:

Congratulations LAXDESI on the century. It's been a long journey.

An airplane might disappoint any pilot but it'll never surprise a good one.
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 16929 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 10):
A good chronicle on how Star Alliance, and it appears Lufthansa, hosed Air India.


A great example of how the Ministry consistently pulls the rug out from under Air India for the benefit of others. Would the civil aviation authority of any other country tolerate this?

Excellent article.

User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2993 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16902 times:

Surprise, EK wants an even larger chunk of Indian skies... Just get it over with and make EK our 'flag carrier'

A300B2/B4/6R, A313, A319/320/321, A333, A343, A388, 737-2/3/4/7/8/9, 747-3/4, 772/2E/2L/3, E170/190, F70, CR2/7, 146-3,
User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3367 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 16885 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 12):
Woo hoo... now to organise a A.Net meet in India sometime  
Congrats to LAXDESI and everyone who participated here to make these discussions quite entertaining. I have learnt a lot in these fora.

Couldn't agree more!

Quoting Cricket (Reply 15):
Just get it over with and make EK our 'flag carrier'

Given the dog-in-the-manger attitude of the Indian govt and Indian carriers, I guess EK is already the 'de-factor flag carrier' and millions of Indians benefit every year.

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User currently offlinepnqiad From India, joined May 2006, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16786 times:

Congrats LAXDESI....Hope you are enjoying your India trip....TR soon??  

User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 16716 times:

Congrats to LAXDesi and all Indian aviation enthusiasts in A.net for making this happen!!

On another note.... any news of the Desi 787s? Maybe Boeing should just auction those jets off.  

If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 16711 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 18):
On another note.... any news of the Desi 787s? Maybe Boeing should just auction those jets off.

The MoL babu who requested clarification should get that clarification tomorrow. We can all pray that the clarification will satisfy him and he'll send the file on its way.

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 14814 posts, RR: 100
Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 16680 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 15):

Surprise, EK wants an even larger chunk of Indian skies..

I notice the article skips the chemical and pharma rights Dubai would offer in return.

If there is no increase in the air-service rights, the other parts of the bilateral will not be updated. Why would Dubai?


Lawn set to brown: dang drought.
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 8194 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16576 times:

Have AI resumed HKG? there are no flights at their website nor at amadeus, yet this http://www.airindia.in/SBCMS/WebPages/india_to_hongkong_banner.aspx

User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16565 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 21):
Have AI resumed HKG? there are no flights at their website nor at amadeus, yet this http://www.airindia.in/SBCMS/WebPage....aspx

Yes, AI resumed a while back. They're operating daily.

Depending on day of the week, it's flight 310, 314, 315, or 317 if I remember right.

I have no trouble finding it in Amadeus.

User currently offlinegoacom From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 16522 times:

Air India was number 1 in cancellations even before the pilots strike.
Air India was to operate a total of 1,06,334 flights, of which 3,604 flights were cancelled and interestingly, 462 flights were cancelled in April, when there was no internal problem in the airline.


After having learnt my lesson with AI's terrible service record, I decided not to travel on AI ever again - even though it often shows up as the cheapest option. I have made it company policy too. Like Kingfisher, Air India needs to like die already and stop torturing us the passengers with their unreliable service.

User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1716 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 16480 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 20):
I notice the article skips the chemical and pharma rights Dubai would offer in return

How big and lucrative is this sector for India?

This study also hints at Emirates wanting four additional ports of call – Amritsar, Mangalore, Pune and Trichy. At present, it flies to 10 Indian airports.

More than that EK would be looking for additional capacity to BOM, DEL, COK, TRV. ATQ, IXE are low yielding while PNQ cant handle widebodies....

25 aeroblogger : IXE can't take anything larger than a 737 anyway. PNQ most certainly can. The runway is 8300 ft...
26 Post contains links JOYA380B747 : Indian airports does seem to be among the first to be serviced by the new jets of the respective customers. 787 JL for DEL 748 LH for DEL and now 787
27 Cricket : From what I heard that the 787's was going to do the IAD flight and then some China flights, and would gradually replace the 767's on the DEL and BOm
28 ojas : LAXDESI, Hearty congratulations to you for pioneering this Indian Aviation thread and I would congratulate all the members who contributed in this end
29 ojas : You are absolutely wrong. PNQ airport cannot handle a widebody.
30 fortunerunnner : I dont think he is 'absolutely' wrong. In theory PNQ should be able to handle a wide body with 8300ft runway length. However, can it do that is a que
31 ojas : He is wrong. Length of the runway aside, the width of the runway till recently was narrow thus not upto the standard to operate an A330. Secondly the
32 Vimanav : PNQ is 4C as per ICAO Aerodrome reference codes. And that is not good enough for widebodies. So you may have an A330 landing there, just as a Saudi 7
33 aeroblogger : Ah, I didn't know this... I thought that with the AF base, the airport would be more capable than that... The runway is certainly long enough for a f
34 lightsaber : Good question. The UAE is India's largest trading partner. What fraction is chem/farma? I just really use them as a placeholder as import export in t
35 Post contains links AirIndia : http://www.indembassyuae.org/drupal/BilateralRelations As per the link above: Pharma in particular is missing from the list, thus indicating there is
36 Post contains links Cricket : Kingfisher understated its losses due to improper accounting. Fair use excerpt... The carrier's auditor, B.K. Ramadhyani and Co., said that Kingfisher
37 BLRAviation : I am reasonably sure PNQ cannot handle a wide body. Please re-check.
38 aeroblogger : wow...
39 Post contains links vtnyc : Wanted to post my congrats at the beginning to LAXDESI but the Labor Day weekend in the US blindsided me. Congratulations to the progenitor of these a
40 laxdesi : Thank you all for your celebratory posts on reaching the 100th thread. Thanks a lot for the link to first thread. It has been nearly seven years, and
41 fortunerunnner : I'm not certain that needs to be the case if all other factors you mentioned are taken care for such as runway width and apron area etc. Good to know
42 comorin : It's a big deal so that means it's still not opened. I think like everything in MAA it's probably named after Anna. Edit: typo[Edited 2012-09-05 10:4
43 Post contains images lightsaber : Excellent forsight. Thank you for launching the series and sticking with it. Amazing the title selected was good enough to stay unchanged. I had been
44 Cricket : They could not, but the runway/tarmac expansion was supposed to allow for widebody operations 10/28 is supposed to be expanded to 10000 feet, more th
45 Post contains links Cricket : The latest is that the first 787-837 is supposed to land at DEL on Saturday http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/fi...r-india-to-land-on-saturday-263802
46 SIA747Megatop : Just a question, when did AI start posting losses or how long have they been posting them for?
47 aeroblogger : AI started posting losses approximately when the merger occured. Both AI and IC seperately made profit in 2004-2005... The combination of changing ma
48 Post contains links jgp777 : For the nth time, guess the Dreamliner should finally come to India this weekend: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...-Saturday/articleshow/1628098
49 Post contains links goacom : Not really. AI has a long history of making losses and going to the government for bailouts. Look at the following articles from 15 years ago. So lon
50 HAWK21M : Heard its been handed over at a ceremony & will arrive on Sat 9th at DEL.
51 Vimanav : Any idea on the arrival time in DEL? Brgds//Vimanav
52 COEWR787 : Anyone have any idea when the new CCU Terminal is going to open. Not one single aerobridge seems to have been installed so far, and yet there are rumb
53 Post contains images SIA747Megatop : Thanks for the insight! Thanks for the articles and information regarding AI's past. Great help guys, much appreciated.
54 Post contains images aeroblogger : AI did get into financial trouble in the late 90s. However, those bailouts which they asked for were never granted... The flight is AI 170. Until it
55 JOYA380B747 : There's no point wondering and hoping for the new CCU to be open.... And yes if they manage to start this holiday season then I bet that'll be with t
56 Post contains links Cricket : Haven't been to CCU in a while (over six months) but was asking my father who was there a few weeks ago (he travels to CCU every month) and he told m
57 Post contains links and images comorin : From today's Wall Street Journal, the "Missing Bird" is on its way... The rest of the article: http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2012/09/07/16582/
58 JOYA380B747 : The Google map data of CCU is very old, don't go by that. Most of the terminal is built but things like aerobridges and stuff haven't been installed,
59 Cricket : The Google Sat image is for Meerut not CCU, that could not have changed much. Google does not update data all that often for India. In DEL 11-29 was
60 Post contains links and images BLRAviation : What has been delivered is VT-ANH. What is pictured is VT-ANI. I guess even WSJ is doing copy-paste Follow the delivery flight AI170 http://uk.flight
61 tharanga : on progress at CCU: given that AAI has no concept of how to properly keep the public informed, i've had to resort to the skyscrapercity page to get bi
62 JOYA380B747 : That image is over 6 months old, I occasionally check the maps for updates but no luck. A lot more has been done on ground than what's shown. You are
63 Post contains images VIDP : Better late than never
64 HAWK21M : Heard its around 1700hrs.
65 Post contains links BLRAviation : Photos and videos of VT-ANH arriving and getting water cannon salute. here. Photos and video of the interior here.
66 bizmark03 : Thanks for the images and video. The J cabin does look horrible(just my personal opinion) but the Y cabin is not bad at all, looks nice and vibrant.
67 Post contains links aeroblogger : More corruption at AI! Who does it surprise? Nobody! http://m.timesofindia.com/business/i...yr-profit/articleshow/16304500.cms On a personal note, my
68 blrBird : 9W gets additional EU/NA routes from W12 and all are 7 per week BLR - BRU - ORD/SFO/IAD BOM - CDG MUC - BLR/BOM/DEL/MAA BOM - FRA
69 Nimish : To clarify - they have not announced any of these routes. They have only got ministry approval for these routes, and now it's up to them which of the
70 Cricket : Interesting routes, would be interesting to see what they start. Are the leased 77W's all coming back this winter? And even if they do will 9W have e
71 BLRAviation : These are routes for which permission is obtained from the Ministry. They are not yet even announced, let alone being operationalised. 9W had started
72 JOYA380B747 : Expect for a MUC or FRA route starting I don't think any others might take effect soon. Exactly. Also 9W has always been BOM and DEL centric w.r.t th
73 JOYA380B747 : Its official now, LH newsletter mail says BLR 748 service begins on 13th September!
74 Cricket : Kingfisher, which wanted to be BLR centric, tried and failed and had to move BLR-LHR to DEL-LHR; don't just blame the airlines here also blame local
75 Post contains images HAWK21M : Awaiting AI B787 long halting at Mumbai.I need to check out the Interesting Technical stuff on this type more closely....
76 AirIndia : Any idea on the initial schedule of the 787. I thought it would do a few DXB runs?
77 Post contains links Cricket : the AI 787 will start operations on September 19 with services between DEL-BLR and DEL-MAA http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...s/article3888276.ece
78 Post contains images BLRAviation : And lets not forget MAA too. I was speaking to a senior person at one of the GCC carriers. He said Jet or AI can do all they want. Till they do not p
79 Post contains images aeroblogger : You've got 3 days. Enjoy
80 HAWK21M : True......Thu-Sat is a long time....plan to check it out on Fri or Sat night work permitting.Hopefully its parked at a nearby gate/bay.
81 Post contains links comorin : WSJ India Real Time talks about a botched press event for the Dreamliner by AI: http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2...o-dream-launch-for-the-dreamlin
82 Post contains images JOYA380B747 : Its a pity the 748 service will for the near future be those spotter-unfriendly night landings!
83 Post contains images HAWK21M : Nothing surprising.....When no one takes the lead to organise things as Authority is not given for same.....Noticed how private carriers fare better
84 HAWK21M : Anyone aware of the BOM ceremony schedule.......The B787 arrived Thu morning.
85 Post contains links jgp777 : It seems AI might operate the 787 on domestic routes: MAA & BLR http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...stic-duty/articleshow/16389698.cms I am vis
86 Post contains images HAWK21M : Maybe AI needs to hire a PR firm for these events
87 BLRAviation : FDI in Civil Aviation approved. Details to emerge.
88 JOYA380B747 : I have the same question...
89 Post contains links LAXDESI : Link to thread on above topic: India To Allow 49% Foreign Investment In Airlines (by comorin Sep 14 2012 in Civil Aviation)
90 Post contains images lightsaber : Let the scissor hub move discussions begin. Lightsaber
91 HAWK21M : Its supposed to be FDI by Foreign Airlines in India.......upto 49%..........
92 Post contains images BLRAviation : Yes sir.
93 JoeCanuck : LAXDESI, very prescient in starting Indian Aviation Thread number 1. These threads have given many westerners like me the chance to experience a littl
94 tayaramecanici : Congratulations LAXDESI on this milestone. Personally, it has been a very good medium to express my opinion on the Indian aviation industry to a globa
95 Cricket : Nyet, moved to less reporting and more editing nowadays sadly. Moving up the foodchain usually equals less fun.
96 Post contains images comorin : Congratulations! Please don't beat up on the underlings
97 Post contains links goacom : This is the kind of action Air India needs to take to cull its bloated labor force. So much for the bogus reorgs currently happening at AI! http://www
98 Post contains links and images comorin : AI staff also seems to be suffering from another kind of "bloat": Times of India reports scarfing FAs annoying pax: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.co
99 aeroblogger : This article is nonsense. Long story short, while 2 FAs were eating their crew meals and chatting (apparently too loudly), some VIP sitting in F felt
100 AirIndia : I thought VIPs are specifically looked after, especially if crew know they are VIPs. BTW, read the comments under the article, they are hillarious...
101 aeroblogger : AI does have a specific VIP procedure. I guess it wasn't followed.
102 comorin : Sorry aeroblogger, I have been in that situation ( AI/F) and when I asked for some caviar the FA said "Sorry saar, Business Class passengers ate all
103 Post contains images CaliAtenza : Congrats LAXDesi..I have been following these threads for a long time . Any news on new carriers for BLR? Would love it if TK started BLR
104 aeroblogger : I don't have an aunty or an uncle in my sources, no. But I did read the circular. It mentions crew rationing. There is no mention of consumption of p
105 JOYA380B747 : As a matter of fact, negligence or not, I have experienced this kind of food hogging by FAs in the last 2 times I flew AI and once in a 9W ATR flight
106 Post contains images comorin : Hey, when you don't get paid paid for months, at least you get to eat!
107 Post contains links goacom : Corruption and theft at AI is par for the course. What does one expect from a state operated airline whose unioned employees pretty much life time emp
108 Post contains images CaliAtenza : I thought this would be par for the course at KF .
109 JoeCanuck : KFC, maybe.
110 aeroblogger : SpiceJet to be the first carrier to take advantage of the new fuel import rules... They've come to an agreement with a Singapore-based company to impo
111 Post contains images HAWK21M : Most Aviation articles in todays newspapers are mostly amusing and serve as jokes during our maintenance breakl chats at work...... I like the term "
112 Post contains links JOYA380B747 : Air India’s Dreamliner develops technical snag on first day What had exactly happened here, does anybody have an info?
113 aeroblogger : Just a routine cooling system issue. Took about 30 minutes to fix, and that was only because the aircraft is new and the engineers are still getting
114 Post contains links JOYA380B747 : First A333 for 9W is here almost. http://www.airliners.net/photo/Jet-A...d=8d2b82e77e8e6b08178b11ea932563d6 Expecting a winter delivery of this jet an
115 Post contains images BLRAviation : Cutting staff at a PSU Har Har Har. What e Joke
116 BLRAviation : While airside we asked the engineers. Apparently the re-circulating fan developed a snag.
117 karan69 : From 26 th sept AI 788 will operate on the daily DEL-DXB flight AI995 DEL2025 – 2220DXB 788 D AI996 DXB0005 – 0445DEL 788 D Karan
118 AirIndia : These must be trainign flights? if yes, till which date?
119 aeroblogger : Yes, it's part of the familiarization schedule.
120 buck3y3nut : I thought they were already operating A330s. Were those leased from some other airline?
121 comorin : Hi Karan, can you please tell me why AI chooses these awkward times - making a red eye flight when it is not necessary? I like flying EK because of i
122 JOYA380B747 : Those are the A332s. These are the first 333s, all leased.
123 aeroblogger : O&D traffic ex-India tends to prefer redeye flights. Both 9W and AI tend to schedule international departures with redeyes when possible.
124 Karan69 : Hi Comrin AI after the strike is still getting its act together before that it had civilized day departures from both DEL and BOM , Also it had gone q
125 aeroblogger : Lessors paying a crore a pop to AAI to repossess Kingfisher aircraft is a new low...
126 comorin : Appreciate the response! I think AI will limp along until the credit agencies (Moody's et al.) force the GOI to disinvest.
127 BLRAviation : With due respect to Karan's vast reserve of knowledge, may I also answer this question addressed to Karan? A variety of reasons. 1. Staffing. Traditi
128 aviationbuff : AI Shelves Planned Boeing 787 Service to DXB As per 25SEP12 GDS timetable and inventory display, AI has cancelled the planned DEL - DXB 787 operation
129 aeroblogger : BLR loads have been excellent. A couple days ago, AI even had to sub a 77L for the 787 because J class was full!
130 JOYA380B747 : In fact, whats the reason behind so limited widebody service on domestic Indian routes? Don't AI or other airlines see any profitability in doing tha
131 aeroblogger : Widebodies burn much more fuel than narrowbodies on shorthaul routes per passenger. It would be more profitable to run 2xA321 than 1x777. Not to ment
132 Post contains links LAXDESI : FDI in aviation: IndiGo says no plan to take foreign partner on-board to expand business. I wonder if Go Air is more likely to attract interest once r
133 tharanga : I never understood why they've been using widebodies for those connectors for so long in the first place.
134 JOYA380B747 : Sure if you are using the same 2 or 3 class configured jets meant for international flights. But not if they have domestic high pax configs on their
135 comorin : Aren't y'all forgetting the A300s that IC used to ply on Indian 'transcons', like DEL-BLR ?
136 Post contains images sturmovik : What are the flight numbers of the AI DEL-BLR 787 flight? Was thinking of making a trip on it..
137 aeroblogger : AI 403, AI 404, AI 803, AI 505[Edited 2012-09-26 04:23:51]
138 Post contains images comorin : TR plus pics is a MUST!
139 JOYA380B747 : Yes I remember them very well, in fact I miss flying on that very much. AI could have easily replaced them and got some high capacity 767s.
140 Post contains images B6JFKH81 : Hi folks. Please forgive me if this question has already been answered (I didn scan this entire thread before posting this), but has 9W stopped flying
141 aeroblogger : Complete pullout.
142 Post contains images B6JFKH81 : Thanks, aeroblogger. Really a shame, I'll miss seeing them here
143 CaliAtenza : guys no one answered my question earlier but any news on new carriers for BLR? I seemed to recall that TK might start BLR and HYD....
144 ojas : I do not think that has anything to do with India - ME red eye flights. It has been there since ages. I disagree. When EK started their inaugural fli
145 BLRAviation : Nothing on the near horizon. I am meeting a senior person later today. I'll ask him informally.
146 Post contains images CaliAtenza : I really want to try TK to India next time but I would prefer to fly to BLR directly
147 Karan69 : 9W seems to have axed MAA BRU Availability for the flight is coming zeroed out on Amadeus and 9Ws website Still unconfirmed although the move makes se
148 Post contains images sturmovik : Thanks Definitely, if I can wrangle a day off from work.
149 Post contains images JOYA380B747 :
150 HAWK21M : Bird strike on the Dreamliner at BLR......Lucky it was on the fuselage.....
151 JOYA380B747 : Does AI have excess of A321s than needed or are there not enough 320s for use on less popular routes? I have been flying between DEL and IXB/Bagdogra
152 aeroblogger : Why not downgrade? Because the MP from IXB area will throw a fit of course. AI is a plaything of the government. It has literally no control over the
153 golfradio : I would wager the MP can barely tell the difference between a 738 and a 320 let alone a 321 vs 320.
154 aeroblogger : When I visited AI HQ a few months ago, there was a list of cities and "required gauges" posted in the market planning office. The MP may not know per
155 comorin : Thank you for taking the time to explain the reasons for the red eyes. I can understand the overnights on long hauls, but on shot haul international
156 ojas : Most of the India - ME traffic are resident Indians traveling home and back. For them finishing the work on the day and taking the evening flight bac
157 comorin : Thank you Ojas, that makes sense to me now.
158 BLRAviation : The easiest demonstration I can offer are east bound flights originating from the west coast especially LAX, SFO towards JFK, EWR, DFW, ATL, ORD. Fro
159 Post contains links and images vishaljo : View Large View MediumPhoto © Vishal Jolapara - Indian Aviation Photographers
160 brahmin : That is BS. There are tons of day flights from the West Coast to the Eastern seaboard. Business travelers love to fly during the day.
161 Post contains images comorin : - absolutely on both points.
162 BOMRPR : Mail from JP today morning... "As you are aware, the Indian Aviation industry is reeling under tremendous cost pressures on account of various factors
163 HAWK21M : KF has committed to pay all salary dues to employees this month......hope they do so....
164 COEWR787 : Would that be the dozenth or so commitment till now, and of course each one has gone more or less undelivered or only partially delivered. Are such p
165 Post contains links Cricket : KF has promised to pay March salaries... its October... http://www.livemint.com/Companies/lt...ess-employees-in-Mumbai-today.html
166 Post contains links tayaramecanici : ''DGCA fears sabotage, tells Kingfisher to keep unscrupulous workers away'' http://www.firstpost.com/business/dg...crupulous-workers-away-478380.html
167 CaliAtenza : They need to shut KF down already. Start afresh, get a gulf airline to invest, and let them run the damn show. Im surprised ANY of the workers are sti
168 HAWK21M : If VJM considers has the $$$ to pay AI/INDIGO to certify airworthiness of KF A320s at a cost,why not pay his employees their dues & continue......
169 Post contains links tayaramecanici : I am extremely saddened and angry on this unfortunate incident. Honestly all of civil society have to blame for this, the pax who bourght cheap tiks o
170 Cricket : According to what people heard last Mallya is in the US having a birthday party, and then heading to Suzuka for the race. Mallya has said that "He wi
171 Post contains links Cricket : KFA can't even pay full dues to their employees apparently http://ibnlive.in.com/news/kingfishe...ts-employees-sources/298186-3.html
172 BOMRPR : DGCA's statistics for August includes "Religare" as an airline.. Can anyone pls share info on this?
173 Post contains links Karan69 : They started An airline called Mantra www.airmantra.com currently fly ATQ IXC seem to be based at IXC and operate with B1900Ds may expand to jammu ka
174 Post contains links viasa : More here: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...-start-up-air-mantra#disqus_thread The parent company is Religare Aviation (http://www.religarevoya
175 HAWK21M : Any news on FDI used for a fresh startup.....
176 Post contains links 777way : EK A380 diverted to HYD was it the first visit there for the aircraft? Emirates Emergency Landing (EK 384) (by kazim786 Oct 7 2012 in Civil Aviation)[
177 aeroblogger : HYD is the designated A380 diversion airport for India. We get an A380 every month or 2... Sometimes more often.
178 JOYA380B747 : Whats with HYD and the superjumbos....
179 Cricket : Long runway, ample airside parking, good hospitals (for medical emergencies) and never that much traffic that a diversion can create utter chaos...
180 BOMRPR : Thanks
181 HAWK21M : Are you saying Every 1-2 months there is a Diversion of the A380 to HYD........you sure.....
182 JOYA380B747 : I have request for spotters in Delhi, The long list of cargo shipment for the Formula 1 at Delhi have started arriving. So we can get to see a plethor
183 aeroblogger : Yes. Usually EK, but I vividly remember the times when we got AF and SQ A380s as well.
184 BLRAviation : I am not saying they aren't exceptions. My statement was based on my general experience honed over 4,000 flights. It will help to keep in mind, the o
185 BLRAviation : EK and SQ are understandable, but I am keen to understand which route does AF fly with their A380 that takes them over India?
186 Post contains images aeroblogger : AF was back in April or May IIRC.. Very, very hot. As for route, it was probably CDG-SIN? Or maybe it was a special/charter flight? I'm not really sur
187 HAWK21M : Normally the event managers charter one or two airlines.....so not necessary there would be a huge improvement in traffic of freighters. Any approx s
188 Post contains images aeroblogger : I haven't been tracking it, so I don't really know. If I get a call from a friend saying "there's an A380 which diverted just now," sometimes I'll ho
189 Gr8Circle : So what is it that causes so many A380 diversions? One per month is quite a lot, considering the meagre number of A380s flying at all.....
190 aeroblogger : I don't know the causes of the diversions, but it's usually fairly easy to guess - if the aircraft sits on the tarmac for a week, it's probably mecha
191 ojas : I do not think that is the case either. For that matter, I find it hard to believe that SQ and AF would divert any A380 to HYD when all of their A380
192 aeroblogger : I was discussion pan-India. There was one EK diversion to DEL which I saw, and the SQ/AF diversions were there too.. When I was living in HYD (Sep 20
193 Cricket : The An-124's are not that rare in Delhi anymore, they started coming with DMRC coaches and now there is one almost every other week. What are increas
194 Post contains links aeroblogger : http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...staralliance-idUSI8E8IV02M20121009 Oh God, here we go again.
195 georgiabill : Perhaps a stupid question. But if Kingfisher goes under would Indigo or SpiceJet bring value to Oneworld or Skyteam in India. I am assuming that Air I
196 aeroblogger : Indian Airlines was traditionally aligned with Air France/SkyTeam, while Air India was aligned with Lufthansa/Singapore/Star Alliance When they merge
197 Post contains links caliatenza : http://www.indianexpress.com/news/go...o-clear-air-for-a380-soon/1014388/
198 JOYA380B747 : Things GOI does to get what they want, in this case woo LH A380s to let AI join Star. If only those idiots did these things in aviation without such
199 Post contains links LAXDESI : Jet Airways' arm, JetKonnect to offer 'Premiere' service in flights. Is there a meaningful difference in service and price between Jet and JetKonnect?
200 JOYA380B747 : I have flown many JetKonnect flights that already have this Premiere service. Whats with the announcement then. Anyways it is irrelevant.
201 HAWK21M : Exactly....here was surprised and would need to check the stats with HYD.......
202 LAXDESI : It will be nice if those who follow the Indian Aviation Thread can start a new one after 200 posts(forum rule). Please provide a link to the new one i
203 Post contains links and images JOYA380B747 : Part 101 is here. Indian Aviation Thread: Part 101 (by JOYA380B747 Oct 12 2012 in Civil Aviation)
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