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Indian Aviation Thread: Part 100  
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 16311 times:

It is only fitting that I get to start the 100th thread from India, while visiting my relatives in Chennai. It has been many years since the first thread on Indian Aviation. I didn't expect it to last this long, but I am pleased with continued popularity of this thread.

I thank all of you for contributing, and hope you keep this thread going.

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User currently offlinekaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2892 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 16252 times:

Well done laxdesi , it's been a thoroughly enjoyed and memorable journey not only for us but for Indian aviation , it was in 2007 around when these threads started gaining momentum it was also when 9W and AI took delivery of their first batch of 777 s for the BRU hub and JFK non stop and how the scenario has changed ,

As I said a memorable journey thanks for starting the journey and trend on Indian aviation on this forum LaxDesi

karan


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13263 posts, RR: 100
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 16195 times:
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Congrats LAXDESI. You have done a tremendous job initiating these threads. My hat is off to you sir.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1516 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 16184 times:

Dear LAXDESI

Congrats to you for having started something like this and a very special thanks to you and the many other worthy contributors who have enriched it with a very high quality of discussion and debate.

Great job. We look forward to the double hundred...

Vimanav



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 16158 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
It has been many years since the first thread on Indian Aviation

Undoubtly......Thanks to LAXDESI & the many other posters on this Thread topic........
Never thought 100 threads would be completed so fast......Amazing journey & thanks folks for the posts.....



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlinebrahmin From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 16104 times:

Jai Hind and Vande Mataram

User currently offlineWestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2134 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 16067 times:

LAXDESI: Let me also add my congratulations on the 100th thread. Looking forward to the next 100 threads.

Will AI receive their first 787 before thread # 200 ?



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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4900 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 16008 times:

LAXDESI, Hip Hip Hooray!    Thanks for a quality thread that managed to be informative and entertaining.

By the way, did you get to see the new International Terminal in Madras?

Quoting WestWing (Reply 6):
Will AI receive their first 787 before thread # 200 ?

Naughty, naughty!


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 15984 times:

Great to see 100 threads!

I wonder when we'll hit 1000



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 362 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 15937 times:

Congratulations on the century.


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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 362 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 15913 times:

A good chronicle on how Star Alliance, and it appears Lufthansa, hosed Air India.

http://www.livemint.com/2012/09/0300...31/Air-India8217s-Starcrossed.html

A great example of how the Ministry consistently pulls the rug out from under Air India for the benefit of others. Would the civil aviation authority of any other country tolerate this?



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User currently offlineBOMRPR From India, joined Aug 2012, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15891 times:

Congratulations LAXDESI, this thread has nurtured my interest in Indian aviation all these years and I finally decided to join Anet last month. I am sure there would be many like me out there following your thread and are unable to convey their gratitude. I would like to Thank You on their behalf.

User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 15880 times:

Woo hoo... now to organise a A.Net meet in India sometime  
Congrats to LAXDESI and everyone who participated here to make these discussions quite entertaining. I have learnt a lot in these fora.

Fatso's cars raced well in Belgium, but I was told that people are giving him arm's length treatment in the F1 paddock. In the age of the internet, bad news can't be hidden, even though I believe he employes a large SEO/SEM team to make sure negative references can be brushed under the carpet. Unfortunately when the carpet starts bulging, people find out.

I am also led to believe that with his 'White Knight' Subrata Roy Sahara getting pwned by the Supreme Court; things will probably get worse for him.



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User currently offlinehimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 15836 times:

Congratulations LAXDESI on the century. It's been a long journey.


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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15794 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 10):
A good chronicle on how Star Alliance, and it appears Lufthansa, hosed Air India.

http://www.livemint.com/2012/09/0300...31/Air-India8217s-Starcrossed.html

A great example of how the Ministry consistently pulls the rug out from under Air India for the benefit of others. Would the civil aviation authority of any other country tolerate this?

Excellent article.



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 15767 times:

Surprise, EK wants an even larger chunk of Indian skies... Just get it over with and make EK our 'flag carrier'
http://www.firstpost.com/politics/ag...er-pie-of-indian-skies-441655.html



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3259 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 15750 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 12):
Woo hoo... now to organise a A.Net meet in India sometime  
Congrats to LAXDESI and everyone who participated here to make these discussions quite entertaining. I have learnt a lot in these fora.

Couldn't agree more!

Quoting Cricket (Reply 15):
Just get it over with and make EK our 'flag carrier'

Given the dog-in-the-manger attitude of the Indian govt and Indian carriers, I guess EK is already the 'de-factor flag carrier' and millions of Indians benefit every year.



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User currently offlinepnqiad From India, joined May 2006, 586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15651 times:

Congrats LAXDESI....Hope you are enjoying your India trip....TR soon??  

User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 15581 times:

Congrats to LAXDesi and all Indian aviation enthusiasts in A.net for making this happen!!

On another note.... any news of the Desi 787s? Maybe Boeing should just auction those jets off.  



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 15576 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 18):
On another note.... any news of the Desi 787s? Maybe Boeing should just auction those jets off.

The MoL babu who requested clarification should get that clarification tomorrow. We can all pray that the clarification will satisfy him and he'll send the file on its way.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13263 posts, RR: 100
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15545 times:
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Quoting Cricket (Reply 15):

Surprise, EK wants an even larger chunk of Indian skies..

I notice the article skips the chemical and pharma rights Dubai would offer in return.

If there is no increase in the air-service rights, the other parts of the bilateral will not be updated. Why would Dubai?

Lightsaber



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5862 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 15441 times:

Have AI resumed HKG? there are no flights at their website nor at amadeus, yet this http://www.airindia.in/SBCMS/WebPages/india_to_hongkong_banner.aspx

User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 15430 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 21):
Have AI resumed HKG? there are no flights at their website nor at amadeus, yet this http://www.airindia.in/SBCMS/WebPage....aspx

Yes, AI resumed a while back. They're operating daily.

Depending on day of the week, it's flight 310, 314, 315, or 317 if I remember right.

I have no trouble finding it in Amadeus.



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User currently offlinegoacom From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 15387 times:

Air India was number 1 in cancellations even before the pilots strike.
Air India was to operate a total of 1,06,334 flights, of which 3,604 flights were cancelled and interestingly, 462 flights were cancelled in April, when there was no internal problem in the airline.

http://articles.economictimes.indiat...gfisher-airlines-spicejet-airlines


After having learnt my lesson with AI's terrible service record, I decided not to travel on AI ever again - even though it often shows up as the cheapest option. I have made it company policy too. Like Kingfisher, Air India needs to like die already and stop torturing us the passengers with their unreliable service.


User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1644 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15345 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 20):
I notice the article skips the chemical and pharma rights Dubai would offer in return

How big and lucrative is this sector for India?

Quote:
This study also hints at Emirates wanting four additional ports of call – Amritsar, Mangalore, Pune and Trichy. At present, it flies to 10 Indian airports.

More than that EK would be looking for additional capacity to BOM, DEL, COK, TRV. ATQ, IXE are low yielding while PNQ cant handle widebodies....


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15470 times:

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 24):
IXE are low yielding

IXE can't take anything larger than a 737 anyway.

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 24):
PNQ cant handle widebodies....

PNQ most certainly can. The runway is 8300 ft...



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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 15455 times:

Indian airports does seem to be among the first to be serviced by the new jets of the respective customers.

787 JL for DEL
748 LH for DEL
and now 787 ET fro BOM??

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Ethio...eing-787-860-Dreamliner/2155472/L/

Since when did Ethiopian decide to ply their brand new 787 on the BOM route? Or was just this just a promotional flight by them?



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 27, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 15577 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 26):
Since when did Ethiopian decide to ply their brand new 787 on the BOM route? Or was just this just a promotional flight by them?

From what I heard that the 787's was going to do the IAD flight and then some China flights, and would gradually replace the 767's on the DEL and BOm sectors. I flew ET extensively last year BOM-ADD-FIH and MPM-ADD-DEL; three of those legs in 767's and let me assure you they were the oldest and the worst aircraft (in terms of passenger comfort) I have ever flown. If nothing else, the 787's will have IFE to at least distract me from the seat pitch.

That said, full marks for the food though.



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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2977 posts, RR: 24
Reply 28, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 15479 times:

LAXDESI,

Hearty congratulations to you for pioneering this Indian Aviation thread and I would congratulate all the members who contributed in this endeavour.

To another 100 threads!!!!



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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2977 posts, RR: 24
Reply 29, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15415 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 25):
PNQ most certainly can. The runway is 8300 ft...

You are absolutely wrong. PNQ airport cannot handle a widebody.



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User currently offlinefortunerunnner From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 15335 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 29):
You are absolutely wrong. PNQ airport cannot handle a widebody.

I dont think he is 'absolutely' wrong. In theory PNQ should be able to handle a wide body with 8300ft runway length. However, can it do that is a question which I'm not an expert on. However, I believe if we ever see successful implementation of the proposal to extend the runway to 10000ft (which went into litigation) would make PNQ suitable for widebody operations.

Even with current runway, short hop on A332/333 to DXB should be still be doable but anything that requires additional fuel might be a question. Initially I believe LH flirted with an idea to operate A33x to PNQ but then decided against it and went with BBJ.

Can the civilian apron handle a wide body is another question as at night there is barely a single parking bay open which LH uses to operate its FRA flight. Parking situation may have changed in recent times due to IT decline which I'm not well versed about.


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2977 posts, RR: 24
Reply 31, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 15302 times:

Quoting fortunerunnner (Reply 30):
I dont think he is 'absolutely' wrong. In theory PNQ should be able to handle a wide body with 8300ft runway length.

He is wrong. Length of the runway aside, the width of the runway till recently was narrow thus not upto the standard to operate an A330. Secondly the apron/parking bays cannot accommodate them as they are all marked for narrow bodies only. The length of the runway can allow an A332 to land, however it will have to go to DXB on a payload restriction.



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User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1516 posts, RR: 14
Reply 32, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 15247 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 25):
PNQ most certainly can. The runway is 8300 ft...

PNQ is 4C as per ICAO Aerodrome reference codes. And that is not good enough for widebodies.

So you may have an A330 landing there, just as a Saudi 747 landed in Tambaram several years ago and a JL DC-8 landed in Juhu, but not under normal operational circumstances.

brgds//Vimanav



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 15210 times:

Quoting Vimanav (Reply 32):
PNQ is 4C as per ICAO Aerodrome reference codes. And that is not good enough for widebodies.

Ah, I didn't know this... I thought that with the AF base, the airport would be more capable than that... The runway is certainly long enough for a flight to DXB, but I didn't know about the apron/runway width issues.

My apologies AirIndia



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13263 posts, RR: 100
Reply 34, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15100 times:
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Quoting AirIndia (Reply 24):
How big and lucrative is this sector for India?

Good question. The UAE is India's largest trading partner. What fraction is chem/farma? I just really use them as a placeholder as import export in the UAE as they are rather large export industries grown tremendously (tens of thousands of jobs in India, if not more). It could be something else moving through the UAE. But the reality is there are business partners.

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User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1644 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15049 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 34):
Good question. The UAE is India's largest trading partner. What fraction is chem/farma? I just really use them as a placeholder as import export in the UAE as they are rather large export industries grown tremendously (tens of thousands of jobs in India, if not more). It could be something else moving through the UAE. But the reality is there are business partners.
http://www.indembassyuae.org/drupal/BilateralRelations

As per the link above:

Quote:

India-UAE trade, valued at US$ 180 million per annum in the 1970s, is today in excess of US$ 67 billion making UAE, India's largest trading partner.

India's exports to the UAE are well diversified with a large basket. India's major export items to the UAE are: Petroleum Products, Precious Metals, Stones, Gems & Jewellery, Minerals, Food Items (Cereals, Sugar, Fruits & Vegetables, Tea, Meat, and Seafood), Textiles (Garments, Apparel, Synthetic fibre, Cotton, Yarn) and Engineering & Machinery Products and Chemicals. India's major import items from the UAE are: Petroleum and Petroleum Products, Precious Metals, Stones, Gems & Jewellery, Minerals, Chemicals, Wood & Wood Products

Pharma in particular is missing from the list, thus indicating there is strong potential for Indian pharma to grow in the the UAE and the GCC region.


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 36, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 15001 times:

Kingfisher understated its losses due to improper accounting.

Fair use excerpt...

The carrier's auditor, B.K. Ramadhyani and Co., said that Kingfisher's losses for the past year ended March 31 would have been 34.44 billion rupees ($616.39 million) instead of the reported 23.28 billion rupees had the company properly amortized repairs and maintenance costs on leased aircraft and made provisions for withholding tax and security commission to guarantors of the company's loans.


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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 362 posts, RR: 14
Reply 37, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14921 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 25):
PNQ most certainly can. The runway is 8300 ft...

I am reasonably sure PNQ cannot handle a wide body. Please re-check.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14921 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 36):
Kingfisher understated its losses due to improper accounting.

Fair use excerpt...

The carrier's auditor, B.K. Ramadhyani and Co., said that Kingfisher's losses for the past year ended March 31 would have been 34.44 billion rupees ($616.39 million) instead of the reported 23.28 billion rupees had the company properly amortized repairs and maintenance costs on leased aircraft and made provisions for withholding tax and security commission to guarantors of the company's loans.

wow...



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User currently offlinevtnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14847 times:

Wanted to post my congrats at the beginning to LAXDESI but the Labor Day weekend in the US blindsided me. Congratulations to the progenitor of these and all other similar threads...

Here's a link to the first of these series
Indian Aviation Thread (by LAXDESI Dec 6 2005 in Civil Aviation)

VT-NYC aka Zach.



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User currently offlinelaxdesi From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 40, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14820 times:

Thank you all for your celebratory posts on reaching the 100th thread.

Quoting vtnyc (Reply 39):
Here's a link to the first of these series
Indian Aviation Thread (by LAXDESI Dec 6 2005 in Civil Aviation)

Thanks a lot for the link to first thread.

It has been nearly seven years, and a lot of progress has been made since the first thread with new airports in DEL, BLR, and HYD. Passenger traffic has more than doubled in about seven years.

Quoting comorin (Reply 7):
By the way, did you get to see the new International Terminal in Madras?

I didn't notice anything different since my trip six months ago. Perhaps the new addition is not being used yet.


User currently offlinefortunerunnner From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 14741 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 31):
The length of the runway can allow an A332 to land, however it will have to go to DXB on a payload restriction.

I'm not certain that needs to be the case if all other factors you mentioned are taken care for such as runway width and apron area etc.

Quoting Vimanav (Reply 32):
PNQ is 4C as per ICAO Aerodrome reference codes. And that is not good enough for widebodies.

Good to know the technical details and as mentioned by Ojas, runway width and apron seemed to be the reason why it has not been suitable for widebody operations.

Quoting ojas (Reply 31):
Secondly the apron/parking bays cannot accommodate them as they are all marked for narrow bodies only.

This is what I thought as well, civilian apron area is woefully inadequate for widebody operations particularly when most bays are occupied by parked aircrafts during night hours when most international operations happen out of India.


User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4900 posts, RR: 16
Reply 42, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 14727 times:

Quoting laxdesi (Reply 40):
Quoting comorin (Reply 7):
By the way, did you get to see the new International Terminal in Madras?

I didn't notice anything different since my trip six months ago. Perhaps the new addition is not being used yet.

It's a big deal so that means it's still not opened. I think like everything in MAA it's probably named after Anna.



Edit: typo

[Edited 2012-09-05 10:48:18]

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13263 posts, RR: 100
Reply 43, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 14669 times:
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Quoting vtnyc (Reply 39):
Here's a link to the first of these series
Indian Aviation Thread (by LAXDESI Dec 6 2005 in Civil Aviation)

Excellent forsight. Thank you for launching the series and sticking with it.

Amazing the title selected was good enough to stay unchanged.

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 35):
Pharma in particular is missing from the list, thus indicating there is strong potential for Indian pharma to grow in the the UAE and the GCC region.

I had been reading on stock reports that they had already grown nicely. But there is room for more growth.   

Quoting Cricket (Reply 36):
Kingfisher understated its losses due to improper accounting.

  

So how deep is the hole?   

Put a fork in IT, they are done.  

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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 44, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14544 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 37):
Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 25):
PNQ most certainly can. The runway is 8300 ft...

I am reasonably sure PNQ cannot handle a wide body. Please re-check.

They could not, but the runway/tarmac expansion was supposed to allow for widebody operations 10/28 is supposed to be expanded to 10000 feet, more than enough for 777's and A330's



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 45, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 14512 times:

The latest is that the first 787-837 is supposed to land at DEL on Saturday
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/fi...r-india-to-land-on-saturday-263802


The WSJ did not allow me to link the article properly, here is another attempt for the whole story of Kingfisher's accounts
http://www.samachar.com/Kingfisher-L...proper-Accounting-mjfoNdhjifc.html

And $616 million for the year, that is $50million every month, how on earth can one run an airline with those kind of losses???



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User currently offlineSIA747Megatop From Singapore, joined Apr 2012, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14445 times:

Just a question, when did AI start posting losses or how long have they been posting them for?


That's Mr. Bovine Joni to you.
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14431 times:

Quoting SIA747Megatop (Reply 46):
Just a question, when did AI start posting losses or how long have they been posting them for?

AI started posting losses approximately when the merger occured. Both AI and IC seperately made profit in 2004-2005...

The combination of changing market conditions, a destructive merger, and an aircraft order too big for AI to afford (the latter 2 which we can say our former corrupt Minister Praful Patel is responsible for) have dragged AI into losses.



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User currently offlinejgp777 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 14420 times:

For the nth time, guess the Dreamliner should finally come to India this weekend:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...-Saturday/articleshow/16280986.cms


User currently offlinegoacom From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 14367 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 47):
Quoting SIA747Megatop (Reply 46):
Just a question, when did AI start posting losses or how long have they been posting them for?

AI started posting losses approximately when the merger occured. Both AI and IC seperately made profit in 2004-2005...

The combination of changing market conditions, a destructive merger, and an aircraft order too big for AI to afford (the latter 2 which we can say our former corrupt Minister Praful Patel is responsible for) have dragged AI into losses.

Not really. AI has a long history of making losses and going to the government for bailouts. Look at the following articles from 15 years ago. So long as AI continues to be mis-managed by political appointees and continues to be staffed with politically connected but incompetent employees, with life time employment, AI will continue to be a flying disaster. Since there is no change is this, even after the recent "restructuring", we can expect more of the same in a few years hence.

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?206520
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/773363.stm


Also, the bailouts do not include the hidden subsidies given by the government in the form of loan guarantees, that allows AI to secure loans at sovereign rates instead of higher rates at the commercial market. These implicit subsidies are in fact much larger that the grants and amount to 10's of billions of USD over decades.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 50, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14242 times:

Quoting jgp777 (Reply 48):

Heard its been handed over at a ceremony & will arrive on Sat 9th at DEL.



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User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1516 posts, RR: 14
Reply 51, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14228 times:

Any idea on the arrival time in DEL?

Brgds//Vimanav



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User currently offlineCOEWR787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 3
Reply 52, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14295 times:

Anyone have any idea when the new CCU Terminal is going to open. Not one single aerobridge seems to have been installed so far, and yet there are rumblings about opening in October? Is that possible? Or is it just going to be a question of running the bus from the plane to the new terminal instead of the old, just to claim it opened?

User currently offlineSIA747Megatop From Singapore, joined Apr 2012, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14194 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 47):

Thanks for the insight!

Quoting goacom (Reply 49):

Thanks for the articles and information regarding AI's past.

Great help guys, much appreciated.  



That's Mr. Bovine Joni to you.
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14196 times:

Quoting goacom (Reply 49):
Not really. AI has a long history of making losses and going to the government for bailouts. Look at the following articles from 15 years ago. So long as AI continues to be mis-managed by political appointees and continues to be staffed with politically connected but incompetent employees, with life time employment, AI will continue to be a flying disaster. Since there is no change is this, even after the recent "restructuring", we can expect more of the same in a few years hence.

AI did get into financial trouble in the late 90s. However, those bailouts which they asked for were never granted...

Quoting Vimanav (Reply 51):
Any idea on the arrival time in DEL?

The flight is AI 170. Until it takes off, there's no point in even guessing - the flight will probably be delayed  
Quoting COEWR787 (Reply 52):
Anyone have any idea when the new CCU Terminal is going to open. Not one single aerobridge seems to have been installed so far, and yet there are rumblings about opening in October? Is that possible? Or is it just going to be a question of running the bus from the plane to the new terminal instead of the old, just to claim it opened?

I think CCU will be another case of a running delay (next week! next week! next week!) until nobody believes that the terminal will ever open. At that point, the terminal will promptly open.



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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 55, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14146 times:

Quoting COEWR787 (Reply 52):
Anyone have any idea when the new CCU Terminal is going to open. Not one single aerobridge seems to have been installed so far, and yet there are rumblings about opening in October? Is that possible? Or is it just going to be a question of running the bus from the plane to the new terminal instead of the old, just to claim it opened?

There's no point wondering and hoping for the new CCU to be open.... And yes if they manage to start this holiday season then I bet that'll be with the jetways still being un-installed.

I bet CCU, dominated by loafers and imbeciles like everything else in the state, will start showing its true colors a few months into service itself.



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 56, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 14101 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 55):
Quoting COEWR787 (Reply 52):
Anyone have any idea when the new CCU Terminal is going to open. Not one single aerobridge seems to have been installed so far, and yet there are rumblings about opening in October? Is that possible? Or is it just going to be a question of running the bus from the plane to the new terminal instead of the old, just to claim it opened?

There's no point wondering and hoping for the new CCU to be open.... And yes if they manage to start this holiday season then I bet that'll be with the jetways still being un-installed.

I bet CCU, dominated by loafers and imbeciles like everything else in the state, will start showing its true colors a few months into service itself.

Haven't been to CCU in a while (over six months) but was asking my father who was there a few weeks ago (he travels to CCU every month) and he told me that unlike DEL T3 or BOM 1C construction where when you landed every week you could visually see the progress, CCU shows no 'visible' signs of progress.

In Mint they write about Meerut airport being pushed by Ajit Singh as a relief airport to DEL - do note that Meerut is very close to Baghpat where Ajit Singh draws his power base.
http://www.livemint.com/2012/09/07010336/Quick-Edit--Flight-plan.html

Looking at the Google satellite view of the airport, it has a tarmac runway aligned at 11-29 but no terminal, just a small base at the foot of the 11-end. And to build a terminal would requite potentially expensive land acquisition. Also, NH58 and NH24 that will connect this airport (no IATA code ICAO: VI2P) are very crowded till the start of the Meerut bypass as you pass through Ghaziabad, Muradnagar and Modinagar - I just went to Mussorie on this very road. An expressway will need to be built to connect this airport to Delhi and to alleviate the traffic issues which is a bigger issue than the Greater Noida airport, where (now at least) the Expressway exists.
Satellite image of Meerut airfield
https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.905,77.676944&spn=0.03,0.03&t=h&q=28.905,77.676944



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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4900 posts, RR: 16
Reply 57, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 14104 times:

From today's Wall Street Journal, the "Missing Bird" is on its way...



The rest of the article:

http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2012/09/07/16582/


User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14006 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 56):
Looking at the Google satellite view of the airport, it has a tarmac runway aligned at 11-29 but no terminal, just a small base at the foot of the 11-end. And to build a terminal would requite potentially expensive land acquisition.

The Google map data of CCU is very old, don't go by that. Most of the terminal is built but things like aerobridges and stuff haven't been installed, not considering the approach roads and related constructions.



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 59, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13975 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 58):
The Google map data of CCU is very old, don't go by that. Most of the terminal is built but things like aerobridges and stuff haven't been installed, not considering the approach roads and related constructions.

The Google Sat image is for Meerut not CCU, that could not have changed much. Google does not update data all that often for India. In DEL 11-29 was built and operational while the sat image showed empty land for a while....
That said CCU sat data seems fairly recent
https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=22.654722,88.446667

It is going to be a looooooong taxi back if one lands on 1R (as is usually the case)



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 362 posts, RR: 14
Reply 60, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13968 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 57):
From today's Wall Street Journal, the "Missing Bird" is on its way...

What has been delivered is VT-ANH. What is pictured is VT-ANI. I guess even WSJ is doing copy-paste   

Follow the delivery flight AI170 http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/AIC170

Depart CHS 15:00 EDT (00:30+1 IST)
Arrival FRA 04:39 CET (08:10 IST)
Depart FTA 06:15 CET est. (Working backwards from DEL arrival)
Arrive DEL 17:00



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User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 61, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13842 times:

on progress at CCU: given that AAI has no concept of how to properly keep the public informed, i've had to resort to the skyscrapercity page to get bits of news.

User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 62, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13774 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 59):
That said CCU sat data seems fairly recent
https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=22.654722,88.446667

That image is over 6 months old, I occasionally check the maps for updates but no luck. A lot more has been done on ground than what's shown.

Quoting Cricket (Reply 59):
It is going to be a looooooong taxi back if one lands on 1R (as is usually the case)

You are right, but this has been the case since last couple of years, while 19L end was having repairs and extensions if I am not mistaken, because before that all flights from North and NE used the 19L.



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User currently offlineVIDP From India, joined Feb 2010, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 13727 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 50):
Heard its been handed over at a ceremony & will arrive on Sat 9th at DEL.

Better late than never  


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 64, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 13628 times:

Quoting Vimanav (Reply 51):

Heard its around 1700hrs.



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 362 posts, RR: 14
Reply 65, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13459 times:

Photos and videos of VT-ANH arriving and getting water cannon salute. here.

Photos and video of the interior here.



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User currently offlinebizmark03 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13336 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 65):
Photos and videos of VT-ANH arriving and getting water cannon salute. here.

Photos and video of the interior here.

Thanks for the images and video.

The J cabin does look horrible(just my personal opinion) but the Y cabin is not bad at all, looks nice and vibrant.


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13248 times:

More corruption at AI! Who does it surprise? Nobody!

http://m.timesofindia.com/business/i...yr-profit/articleshow/16304500.cms

On a personal note, my experiences with AIATSL are far superior than SATS - in fact, I'd go as far as to say SATS is the biggest blot on AI's product. IRROPS handling in particular is a nightmare every single time with SATS...



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User currently offlineblrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13259 times:

9W gets additional EU/NA routes from W12 and all are 7 per week

BLR - BRU - ORD/SFO/IAD
BOM - CDG
MUC - BLR/BOM/DEL/MAA
BOM - FRA



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3259 posts, RR: 9
Reply 69, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 13198 times:

Quoting blrBird (Reply 68):

9W gets additional EU/NA routes from W12 and all are 7 per week

BLR - BRU - ORD/SFO/IAD
BOM - CDG
MUC - BLR/BOM/DEL/MAA
BOM - FRA

To clarify - they have not announced any of these routes. They have only got ministry approval for these routes, and now it's up to them which of these are launched (if any).



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 70, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 13191 times:

Quoting blrBird (Reply 68):
BLR - BRU - ORD/SFO/IAD
BOM - CDG
MUC - BLR/BOM/DEL/MAA
BOM - FRA

Interesting routes, would be interesting to see what they start. Are the leased 77W's all coming back this winter? And even if they do will 9W have enough heavy metal to operate at least eight new sectors (I'm assuming a BRU-IAD/SFO/ORD as a new sector)



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 362 posts, RR: 14
Reply 71, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 13187 times:

Quoting blrBird (Reply 68):
BLR - BRU - ORD/SFO/IAD
BOM - CDG
MUC - BLR/BOM/DEL/MAA
BOM - FRA

These are routes for which permission is obtained from the Ministry. They are not yet even announced, let alone being operationalised.

9W had started BLR-BRU to connect to their JFK/ERW/YYZ flights. They stopped the service within 45 days.

9W is just not committed to BLR. AI operates a token flight or two. In fact no Indian carrier is. They have given the foreign carriers a free reign.



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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 72, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13182 times:

Quoting blrBird (Reply 68):

9W gets additional EU/NA routes from W12 and all are 7 per week

BLR - BRU - ORD/SFO/IAD
BOM - CDG
MUC - BLR/BOM/DEL/MAA
BOM - FRA

Expect for a MUC or FRA route starting I don't think any others might take effect soon.

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 71):
9W had started BLR-BRU to connect to their JFK/ERW/YYZ flights. They stopped the service within 45 days.

Exactly. Also 9W has always been BOM and DEL centric w.r.t their ops.

And again all depends on what alliance 9W joins. These approvals don't mean much at the moment.

Also are those A333s coming this year or not? Anybody have any info from Airbus or Intrepid Aviation? The Wikipedia data says deliveries begin Nov '12.



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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 73, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13174 times:

Its official now, LH newsletter mail says BLR 748 service begins on 13th September!


If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 74, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13080 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 72):
Exactly. Also 9W has always been BOM and DEL centric w.r.t their ops.

Kingfisher, which wanted to be BLR centric, tried and failed and had to move BLR-LHR to DEL-LHR; don't just blame the airlines here also blame local traffic conditions, BLR consumers obviously prefer Euro carriers - with so many going to the US and IT mainly looking at O&D traffic, am not surprised though...



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 75, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 13052 times:

Awaiting AI B787 long halting at Mumbai.I need to check out the Interesting Technical stuff on this type more closely.... 


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User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1644 posts, RR: 1
Reply 76, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12870 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 75):
Awaiting AI B787 long halting at Mumbai.I need to check out the Interesting Technical stuff on this type more closely....

Any idea on the initial schedule of the 787. I thought it would do a few DXB runs?


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 77, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12875 times:

the AI 787 will start operations on September 19 with services between DEL-BLR and DEL-MAA
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...s/article3888276.ece?homepage=true



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 362 posts, RR: 14
Reply 78, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days ago) and read 12847 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 72):
Exactly. Also 9W has always been BOM and DEL centric w.r.t their ops.
And again all depends on what alliance 9W joins. These approvals don't mean much at the moment.

And lets not forget MAA too.

I was speaking to a senior person at one of the GCC carriers. He said Jet or AI can do all they want. Till they do not put their own house in order, joining any alliance is not going to do one good thing for either of them.

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 73):
Its official now, LH newsletter mail says BLR 748 service begins on 13th September!

The service has already started. The flight has departed and is enroute. As of 1700 IST

Airline: Lufthansa
Flight: LH754
From: Frankfurt, Main (FRA)
To: Bangalore, Bangalore (BLR)
Aircraft: Boeing 747-830 (B748)
Reg: D-ABYA
Altitude: 29600 ft (9022 m)

Have faith in me Dada. I have the inside track.  



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days ago) and read 12818 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 75):
Awaiting AI B787 long halting at Mumbai.I need to check out the Interesting Technical stuff on this type more closely....

You've got 3 days. Enjoy  



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 80, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days ago) and read 12803 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 79):

You've got 3 days. Enjoy

True......Thu-Sat is a long time....plan to check it out on Fri or Sat night work permitting.Hopefully its parked at a nearby gate/bay.



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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4900 posts, RR: 16
Reply 81, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12731 times:

WSJ India Real Time talks about a botched press event for the Dreamliner by AI:

http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2...o-dream-launch-for-the-dreamliner/

I wonder if Cricket was there?


User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 82, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12688 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 78):
Have faith in me Dada. I have the inside track.  

  

Its a pity the 748 service will for the near future be those spotter-unfriendly night landings!



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 83, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12495 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 81):
a botched press event for the Dreamliner by AI:

Nothing surprising.....When no one takes the lead to organise things as Authority is not given for same.....Noticed how private carriers fare better  



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 84, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12492 times:

Anyone aware of the BOM ceremony schedule.......The B787 arrived Thu morning.


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User currently offlinejgp777 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12342 times:

It seems AI might operate the 787 on domestic routes: MAA & BLR
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...stic-duty/articleshow/16389698.cms

I am visiting Bangalore or Chennai for work, was thinking why not fly on the same flight operated by the 787! So, I checked the AI website, I checked for flights between Delhi and Chennai, Bangalore, on 2 specific flights AI 439 (DEL-MAA) and AI403 (DEL-BLR), the aircraft type seem to be missing, whereas for all of the flights on that day are A321/A320. Could these be the flights operating the 787?

Any one with better info?


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 86, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 12294 times:

Maybe AI needs to hire a PR firm for these events  


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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 362 posts, RR: 14
Reply 87, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12283 times:

FDI in Civil Aviation approved. Details to emerge.


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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 88, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12270 times:

Quoting jgp777 (Reply 85):
I checked for flights between Delhi and Chennai, Bangalore, on 2 specific flights AI 439 (DEL-MAA) and AI403 (DEL-BLR), the aircraft type seem to be missing, whereas for all of the flights on that day are A321/A320. Could these be the flights operating the 787?

I have the same question...



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 89, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12234 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 87):
FDI in Civil Aviation approved. Details to emerge.

Link to thread on above topic:
India To Allow 49% Foreign Investment In Airlines (by comorin Sep 14 2012 in Civil Aviation)


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Reply 90, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12245 times:
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Quoting blrBird (Reply 68):
MUC - BLR/BOM/DEL/MAA

Let the scissor hub move discussions begin.  

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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 91, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12071 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 87):

FDI in Civil Aviation approved. Details to emerge.

Its supposed to be FDI by Foreign Airlines in India.......upto 49%..........



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 362 posts, RR: 14
Reply 92, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 11849 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 91):
Its supposed to be FDI by Foreign Airlines in India.......upto 49%..........

Yes sir.   



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5476 posts, RR: 30
Reply 93, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 11828 times:

LAXDESI, very prescient in starting Indian Aviation Thread number 1. These threads have given many westerners like me the chance to experience a little of the machinations and intrigue that happen behind the veil.

It reads like a convoluted mystery novel but nobody could possibly make this stuff up.



What the...?
User currently offlinetayaramecanici From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 94, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 11674 times:

Congratulations LAXDESI on this milestone. Personally, it has been a very good medium to express my opinion on the Indian aviation industry to a global audience and direct my frustrations at not being able to head back home...........''Apne hi pani mein galna yehi baraf ka mukadar hai''

I believe this thread is iconic to Indian aviation enthusiasts.

Keep up the good work.



''You are as good as your nearest competitor'' Bob Crandall.
User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 95, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11645 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 81):

WSJ India Real Time talks about a botched press event for the Dreamliner by AI:

http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2...o-dream-launch-for-the-dreamliner/

I wonder if Cricket was there?

Nyet, moved to less reporting and more editing nowadays sadly. Moving up the foodchain usually equals less fun.



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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4900 posts, RR: 16
Reply 96, posted (2 years 1 month 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11604 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 95):
Nyet, moved to less reporting and more editing nowadays sadly. Moving up the foodchain usually equals less fun.

Congratulations! Please don't beat up on the underlings  


User currently offlinegoacom From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11343 times:

This is the kind of action Air India needs to take to cull its bloated labor force. So much for the bogus reorgs currently happening at AI!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...-amr-flights-idUSBRE88H1CQ20120918


User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4900 posts, RR: 16
Reply 98, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11326 times:

Quoting goacom (Reply 97):
This is the kind of action Air India needs to take to cull its bloated labor force.

AI staff also seems to be suffering from another kind of "bloat":

Times of India reports scarfing FAs annoying pax:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...-stewards/articleshow/16456549.cms

I bet if I start an Air India Antics Thread I would become even more famous than LAXDESI!  


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11322 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 98):


Times of India reports scarfing FAs annoying pax:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...-stewards/articleshow/16456549.cms

I bet if I start an Air India Antics Thread I would become even more famous than LAXDESI!

This article is nonsense.

Long story short, while 2 FAs were eating their crew meals and chatting (apparently too loudly), some VIP sitting in F felt neglected. He complained to management, who issued a memo suggesting that FAs close the curtain when they eat, etc.

Standard quote from clueless manager, and a lot of embellishment (I'm being generous), and you have another Trash of India "news report"



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User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1644 posts, RR: 1
Reply 100, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11310 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 99):
some VIP sitting in F felt neglected

I thought VIPs are specifically looked after, especially if crew know they are VIPs.

Quoting comorin (Reply 98):
I bet if I start an Air India Antics Thread I would become even more famous than LAXDESI!

BTW, read the comments under the article, they are hillarious....


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11306 times:

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 100):
I thought VIPs are specifically looked after, especially if crew know they are VIPs.

AI does have a specific VIP procedure. I guess it wasn't followed.



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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4900 posts, RR: 16
Reply 102, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 11355 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 99):
Long story short, while 2 FAs were eating their crew meals and chatting (apparently too loudly), some VIP sitting in F felt neglected. He complained to management, who issued a memo suggesting that FAs close the curtain when they eat, etc.

Standard quote from clueless manager, and a lot of embellishment (I'm being generous), and you have another Trash of India "news report"

Sorry aeroblogger, I have been in that situation ( AI/F) and when I asked for some caviar the FA said "Sorry saar, Business Class passengers ate all of it, now khaali..." - likely story.

I am not fan of TOI - it used to be a great newspaper in its time - but with AI, truth is stranger than fiction. If you have an Aunty or Unkel in AI for your sources, my apologies, but AI staff are the best source of the airline's shenanigans.

.


User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 103, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11315 times:

Congrats LAXDesi..I have been following these threads for a long time  . Any news on new carriers for BLR? Would love it if TK started BLR

User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (2 years 1 month 5 days ago) and read 11243 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 102):
Sorry aeroblogger, I have been in that situation ( AI/F) and when I asked for some caviar the FA said "Sorry saar, Business Class passengers ate all of it, now khaali..." - likely story.

I am not fan of TOI - it used to be a great newspaper in its time - but with AI, truth is stranger than fiction. If you have an Aunty or Unkel in AI for your sources, my apologies, but AI staff are the best source of the airline's shenanigans.

I don't have an aunty or an uncle in my sources, no. But I did read the circular. It mentions crew rationing. There is no mention of consumption of passenger meals.

I'm not sure which flight it was - perhaps on that flight (if it was shorthaul), the crew rationing was the leftover passenger meals. But the point is that the circular never mentions crew taking meals from passengers.



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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 105, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11188 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 98):
AI staff also seems to be suffering from another kind of "bloat":

Times of India reports scarfing FAs annoying pax:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...9.cms

As a matter of fact, negligence or not, I have experienced this kind of food hogging by FAs in the last 2 times I flew AI and once in a 9W ATR flight as well. Seems commonplace these days. As long as this doesn't affect passenger service I don't mind them. But yeah if they prioritize their eating to serving pax, then it sure is an issue.



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4900 posts, RR: 16
Reply 106, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11111 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 105):
As a matter of fact, negligence or not, I have experienced this kind of food hogging by FAs in the last 2 times I flew AI and once in a 9W ATR flight as well. Seems commonplace these days. As long as this doesn't affect passenger service I don't mind them. But yeah if they prioritize their eating to serving pax, then it sure is an issue.

Hey, when you don't get paid paid for months, at least you get to eat!  


User currently offlinegoacom From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11059 times:

Corruption and theft at AI is par for the course. What does one expect from a state operated airline whose unioned employees pretty much life time employment? One will recall a recent news article about what was found at AI. As any real corrective action been taken for this? Obviously not.

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...india-bankrupt-20120518-1yuvj.html


User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11043 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 106):

I thought this would be par for the course at KF  .


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5476 posts, RR: 30
Reply 109, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11006 times:

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 108):

KFC, maybe.



What the...?
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 110, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10955 times:

SpiceJet to be the first carrier to take advantage of the new fuel import rules... They've come to an agreement with a Singapore-based company to import fuel.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 111, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10860 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 92):

Yes sir.   
Quoting comorin (Reply 102):
TOI - it used to be a great newspaper in its time

Most Aviation articles in todays newspapers are mostly amusing and serve as jokes during our maintenance breakl chats at work...... 
I like the term "given sources"...........



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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 112, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10795 times:

Air India’s Dreamliner develops technical snag on first day

What had exactly happened here, does anybody have an info?



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10669 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 112):
What had exactly happened here, does anybody have an info?

Just a routine cooling system issue. Took about 30 minutes to fix, and that was only because the aircraft is new and the engineers are still getting used to it..

Teething problems are common at every airline when new fleet types enter...



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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 114, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10587 times:

First A333 for 9W is here almost.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Jet-A...d=8d2b82e77e8e6b08178b11ea932563d6

Expecting a winter delivery of this jet and new destinations on the cards for 9W.



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 362 posts, RR: 14
Reply 115, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10351 times:

Quoting goacom (Reply 97):
This is the kind of action Air India needs to take to cull its bloated labor force. So much for the bogus reorgs currently happening at AI!

Cutting staff at a PSU  Wow!   
   Har Har Har. What e Joke     



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 362 posts, RR: 14
Reply 116, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10274 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 112):
What had exactly happened here, does anybody have an info?

While airside we asked the engineers. Apparently the re-circulating fan developed a snag.



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User currently offlinekaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2892 posts, RR: 18
Reply 117, posted (2 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 9936 times:

From 26 th sept AI 788 will operate on the daily DEL-DXB flight

AI995 DEL2025 – 2220DXB 788 D
AI996 DXB0005 – 0445DEL 788 D

Karan


User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1644 posts, RR: 1
Reply 118, posted (2 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 9870 times:

Quoting karan69 (Reply 117):
From 26 th sept AI 788 will operate on the daily DEL-DXB flight

These must be trainign flights? if yes, till which date?


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 119, posted (2 years 1 month 1 hour ago) and read 9831 times:

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 118):
These must be trainign flights? if yes, till which date?

Yes, it's part of the familiarization schedule.



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User currently offlinebuck3y3nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 881 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9787 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 114):

First A333 for 9W is here almost.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Jet-A...d=8d2b82e77e8e6b08178b11ea932563d6

Expecting a winter delivery of this jet and new destinations on the cards for 9W.

I thought they were already operating A330s. Were those leased from some other airline?


User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4900 posts, RR: 16
Reply 121, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9784 times:

Quoting karan69 (Reply 117):
From 26 th sept AI 788 will operate on the daily DEL-DXB flight

AI995 DEL2025 – 2220DXB 788 D
AI996 DXB0005 – 0445DEL 788 D

Karan

Hi Karan, can you please tell me why AI chooses these awkward times - making a red eye flight when it is not necessary? I like flying EK because of its daytime BLR flights for instance; are there other business reasons for night owl services?

Thanks.


User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 122, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9718 times:

Quoting buck3y3nut (Reply 120):
I thought they were already operating A330s.

Those are the A332s. These are the first 333s, all leased.



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 123, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9673 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 121):
Hi Karan, can you please tell me why AI chooses these awkward times - making a red eye flight when it is not necessary? I like flying EK because of its daytime BLR flights for instance; are there other business reasons for night owl services?

O&D traffic ex-India tends to prefer redeye flights. Both 9W and AI tend to schedule international departures with redeyes when possible.



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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2892 posts, RR: 18
Reply 124, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9648 times:

Hi Comrin

AI after the strike is still getting its act together before that it had civilized day departures from both DEL and BOM ,

Also it had gone quite far in implementing a DEL hub sadly the govt nature of the airline cannot help it succeed

Karan


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9542 times:

Lessors paying a crore a pop to AAI to repossess Kingfisher aircraft is a new low...


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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4900 posts, RR: 16
Reply 126, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9530 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 124):

AI after the strike is still getting its act together before that it had civilized day departures from both DEL and BOM ,

Also it had gone quite far in implementing a DEL hub sadly the govt nature of the airline cannot help it succeed

Appreciate the response! I think AI will limp along until the credit agencies (Moody's et al.) force the GOI to disinvest.


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 362 posts, RR: 14
Reply 127, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9533 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 121):
Hi Karan, can you please tell me why AI chooses these awkward times - making a red eye flight when it is not necessary? I like flying EK because of its daytime BLR flights for instance; are there other business reasons for night owl services?

With due respect to Karan's vast reserve of knowledge, may I also answer this question addressed to Karan?

A variety of reasons.

1.
Staffing. Traditionally most international flights were and still are at night and therefore human Govt. infrastructure (customs, immigration, etc.) was scheduled at night. Even today, the daytime availability of this staff is skeleton thin.
2.
Increase of aircraft utilisation. During 18 hours (5am~11pm) Indian aircraft are used on domestic routes. India is not broad east-west like the US, and also does not have multiple time zones. However if you take a virtual geography from Middle East till SE Asia, you will see traffic patterns similar to the US. i.e. West to East (from Mid-east to India, from India to SE Asia) is red eye overnight. East to West is more "normal working hours" whether later in the night or earlier in the morning.
3.
Many North American and European countries, and Japan, do not allow late night flight operations. This coupled with historic financial strength of these geographies during the growth phase of international air travel (1950s~1970s), has resulted in movements to these major destinations tilted towards "day" or "normal" time operations.

South Asia incl. India, Middle East, Africa, SE Asia allow for late night light operations to facilitate their airlines being able to operate as per the timing constraints of these popular destinations. Many major international carriers operating to India depend on transiting traffic (EK, QR, EY, LH, OS, LX, SQ, MH, CX, KA, amongst others).

Red eye flights from India perfectly schedule for the morning departures from Gulf, SE Asia, HKG, Europe, towards these major destinatons.
4.
Many Indian travellers especially to nearby destinations, prefer to save one day's hotel charges, which is facilitated by the red eye flight.
5.
Global patterns.While there are exceptions, generally flights west to east are red-eye (US to Europe, West Coast to East Coast, Japan to US, Middle East to India, India to SE Asia).

Hope this helps.

[Edited 2012-09-24 22:03:00]


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User currently offlineaviationbuff From India, joined Mar 2008, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 128, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9458 times:

AI Shelves Planned Boeing 787 Service to DXB

As per 25SEP12 GDS timetable and inventory display, AI has cancelled the planned DEL - DXB 787 operation starting from 26-Sep-2012 and will continue to operate Airbus A321 aircraft on this route.

Instead Boeing 787 will operate daily DEL - CCU and DEL - MAA, while DEL - BLR will be twice daily instead of one.

[Edited 2012-09-25 03:47:39]

User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9449 times:

BLR loads have been excellent. A couple days ago, AI even had to sub a 77L for the 787 because J class was full!


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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 130, posted (2 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9318 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 129):
BLR loads have been excellent. A couple days ago, AI even had to sub a 77L for the 787 because J class was full!

In fact, whats the reason behind so limited widebody service on domestic Indian routes? Don't AI or other airlines see any profitability in doing that or are there restrictions or something?



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (2 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9282 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 130):
In fact, whats the reason behind so limited widebody service on domestic Indian routes? Don't AI or other airlines see any profitability in doing that or are there restrictions or something?

Widebodies burn much more fuel than narrowbodies on shorthaul routes per passenger.

It would be more profitable to run 2xA321 than 1x777. Not to mention the former option also allows for scheduling flexibility.

AI runs widebodies on domestic legs so that they can sell "direct" service on a widebody without aircraft change. However, as fuel prices continue to increase, I expect that the international connectors will be served by A32x sooner rather than later.



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 132, posted (2 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9267 times:

FDI in aviation: IndiGo says no plan to take foreign partner on-board to expand business. I wonder if Go Air is more likely to attract interest once rules on overseas flying are relaxed.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...-business/articleshow/16544821.cms


User currently offlinetharanga From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 133, posted (2 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9180 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 131):
However, as fuel prices continue to increase, I expect that the international connectors will be served by A32x sooner rather than later.

I never understood why they've been using widebodies for those connectors for so long in the first place.


User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 134, posted (2 years 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9087 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 131):
Widebodies burn much more fuel than narrowbodies on shorthaul routes per passenger.

It would be more profitable to run 2xA321 than 1x777. Not to mention the former option also allows for scheduling flexibility.

Sure if you are using the same 2 or 3 class configured jets meant for international flights. But not if they have domestic high pax configs on their widebodies I believe.

Could any Indian operator not ply high pax configured widebodies in India? After all India's short-haul isn't so short as those of Japan.



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4900 posts, RR: 16
Reply 135, posted (2 years 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9081 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 134):
Could any Indian operator not ply high pax configured widebodies in India? After all India's short-haul isn't so short as those of Japan.

Aren't y'all forgetting the A300s that IC used to ply on Indian 'transcons', like DEL-BLR ?


User currently offlinesturmovik From India, joined May 2007, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (2 years 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9067 times:

What are the flight numbers of the AI DEL-BLR 787 flight? Was thinking of making a trip on it..  


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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 137, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9043 times:

Quoting sturmovik (Reply 136):
What are the flight numbers of the AI DEL-BLR 787 flight? Was thinking of making a trip on it..
AI 403, AI 404, AI 803, AI 505

[Edited 2012-09-26 04:23:51]


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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4900 posts, RR: 16
Reply 138, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8978 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 137):
Quoting sturmovik (Reply 136):
What are the flight numbers of the AI DEL-BLR 787 flight? Was thinking of making a trip on it..
AI 403, AI 404, AI 803, AI 505

TR plus pics is a MUST!  


User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 139, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8909 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 135):
Aren't y'all forgetting the A300s that IC used to ply on Indian 'transcons', like DEL-BLR ?

Yes I remember them very well, in fact I miss flying on that very much. AI could have easily replaced them and got some high capacity 767s.



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2896 posts, RR: 7
Reply 140, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8832 times:

Hi folks. Please forgive me if this question has already been answered (I didn scan this entire thread before posting this), but has 9W stopped flying into JFK?? I have not seen their aircraft at T8 all week here and am wondering if they went down to a lower frequency or a different schedule or pulled out of JFK completely. It was always nice looking out the window of my hangar while eating dinner and watch their evening departure push off the gate. Thank you for your info!

Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
It is only fitting that I get to start the 100th thread from India

   Congratulations on reaching the century mark!!!!!



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 141, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8840 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 140):
Hi folks. Please forgive me if this question has already been answered (I didn scan this entire thread before posting this), but has 9W stopped flying into JFK?? I have not seen their aircraft at T8 all week here and am wondering if they went down to a lower frequency or a different schedule or pulled out of JFK completely. It was always nice looking out the window of my hangar while eating dinner and watch their evening departure push off the gate. Thank you for your info!

Complete pullout.



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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2896 posts, RR: 7
Reply 142, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8823 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 141):
Complete pullout.

Thanks, aeroblogger. Really a shame, I'll miss seeing them here 



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User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 143, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8810 times:

guys no one answered my question earlier but any news on new carriers for BLR? I seemed to recall that TK might start BLR and HYD....

User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2977 posts, RR: 24
Reply 144, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8755 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 127):
Staffing. Traditionally most international flights were and still are at night and therefore human Govt. infrastructure (customs, immigration, etc.) was scheduled at night. Even today, the daytime availability of this staff is skeleton thin.

I do not think that has anything to do with India - ME red eye flights. It has been there since ages.

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 127):

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 127):
South Asia incl. India, Middle East, Africa, SE Asia allow for late night light operations to facilitate their airlines being able to operate as per the timing constraints of these popular destinations. Many major international carriers operating to India depend on transiting traffic (EK, QR, EY, LH, OS, LX, SQ, MH, CX, KA, amongst others).

I disagree.

When EK started their inaugural flight to BOM (which was their 2nd flight in the network) they still operated a red eye flight to BOM. At that point EK was not a network carrier, just carried point to point traffic.

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 127):
Many Indian travellers especially to nearby destinations, prefer to save one day's hotel charges, which is facilitated by the red eye flight.

In the context of India ME flights, yes people prefer to do an overnight travel so that they reach early morning to their Indian destination thus not wasting too much of their vacation time in the middle east.

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 143):

guys no one answered my question earlier but any news on new carriers for BLR? I seemed to recall that TK might start BLR and HYD....

TK has been talking a lot about expanding their presence in India, and ended up code sharing with Air India. As of now there aren't any new carriers coming to BLR.



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 362 posts, RR: 14
Reply 145, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8753 times:

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 143):
guys no one answered my question earlier but any news on new carriers for BLR? I seemed to recall that TK might start BLR and HYD....

Nothing on the near horizon. I am meeting a senior person later today. I'll ask him informally.



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User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 146, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8731 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 144):

I really want to try TK to India next time but I would prefer to fly to BLR directly  


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2892 posts, RR: 18
Reply 147, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8649 times:

9W seems to have axed MAA BRU

Availability for the flight is coming zeroed out on Amadeus and 9Ws website

Still unconfirmed although the move makes sense on 2 counts

A terminator to BRU is not possible with the JFK drop, the MAA aircraft would operate a terminator hence a operational move cheaper to fly pax to BOM or DEL on 737 s

second they maybe de Hubbing BRU in preparation for a MUC hub

karan


User currently offlinesturmovik From India, joined May 2007, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8597 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 137):
AI 403, AI 404, AI 803, AI 505

Thanks  
Quoting comorin (Reply 138):
TR plus pics is a MUST!  

Definitely, if I can wrangle a day off from work.



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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 149, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8542 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 147):
second they maybe de Hubbing BRU in preparation for a MUC hub

     



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 150, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8514 times:

Bird strike on the Dreamliner at BLR......Lucky it was on the fuselage.....


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User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 151, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8412 times:

Does AI have excess of A321s than needed or are there not enough 320s for use on less popular routes? I have been flying between DEL and IXB/Bagdogra many times and their daily A321 service in last couple of months, and find they are always barely 1/3rd full. Why can't they not downgrade to a 320?


If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 152, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8514 times:

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 151):
Does AI have excess of A321s than needed or are there not enough 320s for use on less popular routes? I have been flying between DEL and IXB/Bagdogra many times and their daily A321 service in last couple of months, and find they are always barely 1/3rd full. Why can't they not downgrade to a 320?

Why not downgrade? Because the MP from IXB area will throw a fit of course.

AI is a plaything of the government. It has literally no control over the gauge of aircraft it uses.



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User currently offlinegolfradio From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 793 posts, RR: 2
Reply 153, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8512 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 152):
Because the MP from IXB

I would wager the MP can barely tell the difference between a 738 and a 320 let alone a 321 vs 320.


User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 154, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8518 times:

Quoting golfradio (Reply 153):
I would wager the MP can barely tell the difference between a 738 and a 320 let alone a 321 vs 320.

When I visited AI HQ a few months ago, there was a list of cities and "required gauges" posted in the market planning office. The MP may not know personally, but MoCA is passing down direction on the topic...



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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4900 posts, RR: 16
Reply 155, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8403 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 127):

Thank you for taking the time to explain the reasons for the red eyes.

I can understand the overnights on long hauls, but on shot haul international like Dubai and Singapore, they don't make any sense to me as a traveler; perhaps if I wanted to go 'Jalandhar-side' from DXB arriving at cow-milking time may be helpful.


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2977 posts, RR: 24
Reply 156, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8366 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 155):
I can understand the overnights on long hauls, but on shot haul international like Dubai and Singapore, they don't make any sense to me as a traveler; perhaps if I wanted to go 'Jalandhar-side' from DXB arriving at cow-milking time may be helpful.

Most of the India - ME traffic are resident Indians traveling home and back. For them finishing the work on the day and taking the evening flight back home makes more sense that taking a day flight. It is a common pattern, utilises maximum day time, and early morning arrivals also help in connecting to the domestic network in case people want to go ahead.



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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4900 posts, RR: 16
Reply 157, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8346 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 156):
Most of the India - ME traffic are resident Indians traveling home and back. For them finishing the work on the day and taking the evening flight back home makes more sense that taking a day flight. It is a common pattern, utilises maximum day time, and early morning arrivals also help in connecting to the domestic network in case people want to go ahead.

Thank you Ojas, that makes sense to me now.


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 362 posts, RR: 14
Reply 158, posted (2 years 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8298 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 155):
I can understand the overnights on long hauls, but on shot haul international like Dubai and Singapore, they don't make any sense to me as a traveler

The easiest demonstration I can offer are east bound flights originating from the west coast especially LAX, SFO towards JFK, EWR, DFW, ATL, ORD. From 3.5 hour to 6 hour flights, they are all red-eye.

Anywhere in the world, business travellers are loathe to travel during the day and lose valuable working hours.



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User currently offlinevishaljo From India, joined Aug 2006, 474 posts, RR: 4
Reply 159, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8136 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 27):
If nothing else, the 787's will have IFE to at least distract me from the seat pitch.

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User currently offlinebrahmin From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 160, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8030 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 158):

That is BS. There are tons of day flights from the West Coast to the Eastern seaboard. Business travelers love to fly during the day.


User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4900 posts, RR: 16
Reply 161, posted (2 years 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7961 times:

Quoting brahmin (Reply 160):
Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 158):

That is BS. There are tons of day flights from the West Coast to the Eastern seaboard. Business travelers love to fly during the day.

   - absolutely on both points.


User currently offlineBOMRPR From India, joined Aug 2012, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 162, posted (2 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7730 times:

Mail from JP today morning...


"As you are aware, the Indian Aviation industry is reeling under tremendous cost pressures on account of various factors.

As a result, one of the key features of our service - lounge access, has been under constant review across airports in India. In view of the continuous increase in lounge access costs for Jet Airways, our ability to offer you a world-class lounge experience has been impacted.

Regrettably, effective October 15, 2012, lounge access will be unavailable to our JetPrivilege Silver members.

We regret the inconvenience this will cause you and hope to have your understanding on the changes being made.


Warm regards,

Kaushal Satam
Head – JetPrivilege"


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 163, posted (2 years 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7481 times:

KF has committed to pay all salary dues to employees this month......hope they do so....


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User currently offlineCOEWR787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 3
Reply 164, posted (2 years 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7471 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 163):
KF has committed to pay all salary dues to employees this month......hope they do so....

Would that be the dozenth or so commitment till now, and of course each one has gone more or less undelivered or only partially delivered. Are such promises even worth the piece of paper that they are written on, coming from Kingfisher anymore?


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 165, posted (2 years 3 weeks ago) and read 7320 times:

KF has promised to pay March salaries... its October...
http://www.livemint.com/Companies/lt...ess-employees-in-Mumbai-today.html



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User currently offlinetayaramecanici From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 166, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7230 times:

''DGCA fears sabotage, tells Kingfisher to keep unscrupulous workers away''

http://www.firstpost.com/business/dg...crupulous-workers-away-478380.html

This has been mentioned for the last 6months now. Any Aviation surveyor worth his salt would have recognised the risks of this dangerous working conditions created by VJM. Unfortunately in the case of India it was the DGCA/MoCA who enabled him in creating this enviourment.



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User currently offlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 167, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7168 times:

They need to shut KF down already. Start afresh, get a gulf airline to invest, and let them run the damn show. Im surprised ANY of the workers are still showing up....

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 168, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7037 times:

If VJM considers has the $$$ to pay AI/INDIGO to certify airworthiness of KF A320s at a cost,why not pay his employees their dues & continue......Although it looks like this will only further anger the staff.


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User currently offlinetayaramecanici From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 169, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6984 times:

I am extremely saddened and angry on this unfortunate incident. Honestly all of civil society have to blame for this, the pax who bourght cheap tiks on the unreliable KFA and kept it going, the press that would take pot shots at VJM but never hound him or his associates at various events, last but not the least the PM of India.

I hope the death of this extremely unfortunate person does not go in vain, VJM should be hauled over the coals.




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