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Air Blue To Fly From LTN And BHX To Pakistan  
User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2999 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14213 times:

Air Blue have announced on their Facebook and Twitter accounts today that they are to start operations from Luton and Birmingham from later this year in Q4...

It states the Luton service will operate via Istanbul, but no news on if the BHX service will be direct or not.

The news is very limited and there is no news on frequencies, dates of when the service will start or cities in Pakistan they will fly to.

They also state they are seeking slots at LHR too.

The airline is due to receive two A340-300 later this year and could be possible these will operate the MAN and BHX services, hence why they don't state a city the BHX services operate via. An A340, non stop to somewhere like Pakistan would not be possible off of LTN's 7000ft runway, so would assume this will be operated by one of their A319/320's.

http://www.facebook.com/AirBluePakistan?ref=stream

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User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24899 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14062 times:

MAN is certainly transferring to an A340. BHX I'd imagine will start as an A319/321 via Istanbul


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User currently offlineFaddypainter From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13964 times:

Quoting gkirk (Reply 1):
BHX I'd imagine will start as an A319/321 via Istanbul

Here is their exact Facebook message:
"We can confirm that Airblue will be serving two new destinations to UK. First is Birmingham and second will be London Luton. The London Luton route will be served via Istanbul."

I don't know about you, but to me that reads that BHX would be direct with A340, why else would they explicitly mention only LTN having a stop over?


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 13794 times:

Their schedule are showing Istanbul sold out after 28 October, leading to speculation thats it was being dropped.

Also starting Jeddah, third local airline to fly there.

[Edited 2012-09-03 12:53:07]

User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13479 times:

GLA might have been a niche route for them also given the previous PK debacle

User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13386 times:

We have all been saying ot for years, How LTN doesnt have a link to Pakistan is crazy. They will make a fortune.

User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1780 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12171 times:

Where are they getting the A340s from?

I saw an all white A343 parked in the maintenance area at IST a few days ago. It had Turkish (TC) registration. Could it have been one of them?



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User currently offlinegingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 893 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10911 times:

Quoting Faddypainter (Reply 2):

Well they do have another A340 due for delivery.



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User currently offlineimiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10879 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 6):
Where are they getting the A340s from?

Two are being leased from ILFC. I believe they're ex-TK birds TC-JIJ and -JIK.


User currently offlineKaiTak747 From Switzerland, joined Aug 2012, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9673 times:

This is a good move by Air Blue. There is a huge Pakistani expat community in London, Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Bradford...etc. Lots of VFR traffic, although quite low yield I would imagine, and competition form PIA. So with good loads I'm sure these routes will be a success.

User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9581 times:

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 9):
There is a huge Pakistani expat community in London, Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Bradford...etc.

HUGE one in Luton alone heh.


User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9086 times:

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 10):
HUGE one in Luton alone heh.

Bury Park!



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User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8963 times:

Quoting EZYAirbus (Reply 11):
Bury Park!

haha yeah, Bury park should be considered a Pakistani overseas Territory.


User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2999 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8946 times:

Quoting EZYAirbus (Reply 11):
Bury Park!

Just because this area has a significant population from the Asian subcontinent, doesn't mean they are from Pakistan and this is where they want to travel too!

Luton has a huged mixed ethnic population, many of these people are however from Bangladesh and India too.

Pakistan is also a large country, and I am assuming Blue Air is going to be flying to Islamabad... Even though LTN maybe their local airport, it maybe in their interest to fly from BHX or LHR where they can also fly to Lahoare and Karachi direct with PIA.

This is an exciting move for LTN, but I am not wholly convinced it will be the instant success people think. Marketing and a good price will also be key!

Like mentioned previously, I hope this route is not a warm-up act until they slot access to LHRm and then pull the plug on the LTN service.


User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8417 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 13):
Like mentioned previously, I hope this route is not a warm-up act until they slot access to LHRm and then pull the plug on the LTN service.

I doubt they have the money to spend on LHR slots let alone the possibility of any becoming available for them.

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 13):
Just because this area has a significant population from the Asian subcontinent, doesn't mean they are from Pakistan and this is where they want to travel too!

Bury park is pretty well known for being a mainly pakistani (specific) muslim community, Ashburnham and Dallow road areas had more Bangladeshi/Indian.. though Mostly that area is Eastern European now.

I think if ever a route was worthy of positive assumption it would be this one, Cant see it being anything other then successfull. Ignoring the amateur joke of an operation that was swefly.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8306 times:

Why arent any Indian carriers interested in targetting their communities the way PIA and Air Blue are?

User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8290 times:

Quoting gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Air Blue have announced on their Facebook and Twitter accounts today that they are to start operations from Luton and Birmingham

I thought BHX was already served by Air Blue? Did they pull out? I must be behind the times.



Quoting 777way (Reply 15):
Why arent any Indian carriers interested in targetting their communities the way PIA and Air Blue are?

Good question.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8263 times:

PA never served BHX.

User currently offlinetom355uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 336 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8203 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 15):

AI used to do a DEL-ATQ-BHX-YYZ-BHX-ATQ-DEL route, which was perfect as the vast majority of the Midlands Indian population is Sikh, and obviously Amritsar and the Punjab as a whole is where their VFR requirements lie. The demand is still there, but since AI dropped out when they encountered severe financial problems the slack has been taken up by other carriers. Turkish, Mahan, Turkmenistan and Emirates have all profited from AI's retreat.



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User currently offlineimiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8197 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 15):
Why arent any Indian carriers interested in targetting their communities the way PIA and Air Blue are?

Airlines serving EU-Pakistan face much less competition compared to EU-India. Since BA pullout following the Marriot bombing, there are no EU carriers serving Pakistan. As such, airlines flying to Pakistan are able to command higher fares for VFR routes which are generally low yielding.


User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7363 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 7950 times:

Quoting KaiTak747 (Reply 9):
There is a huge Pakistani expat community in London, Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Bradford...etc.
Quoting Giancavia (Reply 10):
HUGE one in Luton alone heh.

In 2011 the population of Luton was estimated at 203,000. Of the total population those with Pakistani ethnicity was less than 9 per cent.

If your market is less than 20,000 for a new air service it is far from huge. Air Blue will need to draw their passengers from a much wider area than just Luton if their LTN service is to be successful. Here recognise that a five-days-a-week 320 service would offer 43,680 seats each way per year if the aircraft was configured to seat 168 passengers. So if every Luton Pakistani resident flew a return trip to Pakistan by Air Blue from LTN once every year - most unlikely - and all passengers originated in Luton - also unlikrly - the load fractor would be less than 50 per cent.


User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7832 times:

I Dont think anyone is saying they would even remotely be all from luton, Luton is well located to draw people in from all directions. Dont take the HUGE to literaly, Just a bit of local humour some people will get. Having said that Nearly 10 percent of 1 town on the otherside of the world being from 1 country is a pretty big lump.

User currently offlinevv701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7363 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7615 times:

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 21):
I Dont think anyone is saying they would even remotely be all from luton

I never suggested that all Air Blue's passengers for their flight from LTN would come from Luton. Indeed I pointed out they would need to come from a much wider area than just Luton. However I was addressing the comment that the Pakistani population of Luton was "HUGE".

I have already shown that the Luton population would only half fill a five-days-a-week A320 service if every Pakistani Luton resident, man, woman and child, made a return flight once a year. So in the context of this thread the Pakjistani population of Luton is clearly not "HUGE"but is numerically relatively small. The Luton Pakistani population cannot therefore by itself be the reason for launching this flight. I assume that Air Blue are looking to their new service from LTN to draw passengers from a very much wider area including all of Greater London. In 2006 it was estimated that the Pakistani population of all the London Boroughs was 170,000 out of a total UK population estimated at just below one million.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7478 times:

New routes info has been removed from facebook page, apprently page was hacked and PA have posted this message there.

"We would like to inform you that the page was hacked and the posts you saw about expansions were posted by those who hacked it. Its been back into safe hands and we the admins would like to say that whatever was posted was under discussion but Airblue has no confirmation regarding that. As soon as the information is available the page will be updated about it. We at this page have always been cautious about revealing something that has no foundations from within the Airblue. We will continue to do so and until the A340s are here and until the relevant airport and Airblue sign the route opening papers this page will not confirm it.

We apologise to those who have been offended by the posts or messages or anything that might have been said."


[Edited 2012-09-05 13:38:40]

User currently offlineheebeegb From Finland, joined Sep 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7380 times:

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 5):

Swefly anyone?  


25 Giancavia : As I mentioned somewhere above they dont deserve any recognition as an airline lol, Dunno what they were or what their plan was but it was a total jo
26 Post contains links 777way : Their FB page is not official, no plans for any new routes, A340s will be based in MAN exclusively for ISB flights, route may go double daily. http://
27 Post contains links 777way : First partial photo of A340 in PA livery courtesy of Jameel Ashraf http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._10151237861416204_555595155_n.jpg
28 Post contains links 777way : Full pic at IST http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/viewphoto.main?LC=nav2&picid=8019
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